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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2009 7:48:23 GMT -5
Something else, if the Bruins and Ducks had a deal in place then they'd do it. You don't sit on a deal at this point. A player involved could get hurt and then you'd be SOL. . Exactly. If the Bruins had the deal they would have Pronger in the lineup ASAP. Who wouldn't? Can you imagine Chiarelli saying I'm going to wait a couple of days -- the Pronger gets hurt. That's why I treat this report as highly suspect. |
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 1, 2009 9:10:53 GMT -5
Something else, if the Bruins and Ducks had a deal in place then they'd do it. You don't sit on a deal at this point. A player involved could get hurt and then you'd be SOL. . Exactly. If the Bruins had the deal they would have Pronger in the lineup ASAP. Who wouldn't? Can you imagine Chiarelli saying I'm going to wait a couple of days -- the Pronger gets hurt. That's why I treat this report as highly suspect. To be fair the report says they are held up on cap issues - it may mean that the trade can't go through right now, rather than the GM's are holding it up. |
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2009 10:25:17 GMT -5
Exactly. If the Bruins had the deal they would have Pronger in the lineup ASAP. Who wouldn't? Can you imagine Chiarelli saying I'm going to wait a couple of days -- the Pronger gets hurt. That's why I treat this report as highly suspect. To be fair the report says they are held up on cap issues - it may mean that the trade can't go through right now, rather than the GM's are holding it up. According to nhlnumbers.com, the Bruins have more than $2.5m in cap space. Pronger's cap hit is $6.25m a season, and Moen is $0.9125m. Boston has 19 games left. Combined, their cap hit for the rest of the season is $1.66m. Boston has enough room. Removing the salaries that Anaheim is giving up in the proposed deal means they have plenty of space for what Boston is reported to be giving back. It isn't cap space holding up the show in my opinion. |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 1, 2009 10:59:56 GMT -5
To be fair the report says they are held up on cap issues - it may mean that the trade can't go through right now, rather than the GM's are holding it up. According to nhlnumbers.com, the Bruins have more than $2.5m in cap space. Pronger's cap hit is $6.25m a season, and Moen is $0.9125m. Boston has 19 games left. Combined, their cap hit for the rest of the season is $1.66m. Boston has enough room. Removing the salaries that Anaheim is giving up in the proposed deal means they have plenty of space for what Boston is reported to be giving back. It isn't cap space holding up the show in my opinion. Boston does have enough space (I think), but the cap hit is calculated using the number of days until the last game of the season, not remaining games. For future reference, is all. |
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Post by OopyDoopy on Mar 1, 2009 11:22:02 GMT -5
According to nhlnumbers.com, the Bruins have more than $2.5m in cap space. Pronger's cap hit is $6.25m a season, and Moen is $0.9125m. Boston has 19 games left. Combined, their cap hit for the rest of the season is $1.66m. Boston has enough room. Removing the salaries that Anaheim is giving up in the proposed deal means they have plenty of space for what Boston is reported to be giving back. It isn't cap space holding up the show in my opinion. Boston does have enough space (I think), but the cap hit is calculated using the number of days until the last game of the season, not remaining games. For future reference, is all. But isn't there something about getting under next years cap also, don't know how Boston is for contracts next year but can they absorb 6.25 next year also. I remember Anaheim having to dump MacDonald to get Niedermayer back in the line up from his 1/2 year off because of his cap hit in the next year not the current one. |
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2009 12:43:12 GMT -5
According to nhlnumbers.com, the Bruins have more than $2.5m in cap space. Pronger's cap hit is $6.25m a season, and Moen is $0.9125m. Boston has 19 games left. Combined, their cap hit for the rest of the season is $1.66m. Boston has enough room. Removing the salaries that Anaheim is giving up in the proposed deal means they have plenty of space for what Boston is reported to be giving back. It isn't cap space holding up the show in my opinion. Boston does have enough space (I think), but the cap hit is calculated using the number of days until the last game of the season, not remaining games. For future reference, is all. That makes sense Red, and thanks. Accounts for teams having played a different number of games better than just counting games. I still see them having enough room if we go by the correct model. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2009 17:05:48 GMT -5
More from Garrioch: ============================================================ Sunday, March 1, 2009
Rumour mill is buzzing
Wild goalie could be centrepiece in tradeThe Minnesota Wild could be ready to deal goaltender Niklas Backstrom. Two NHL executives told Sun Media that the Wild might deal Backstrom before Wednesday's trade deadline rather than risk losing him for nothing as an unrestricted free agent on July 1. Minnesota GM Doug Risebrough is trying to get the 31-year-old Backstrom, who is making $3.1 million US this season, signed to a long-term contract, but league sources say Risebrough has investigated what they might be able to get in return. The Capitals are at the top of the list of potential suitors. "The only way they should trade Backstrom is if they're throwing in the towel on the season," said an NHL executive. Yes, but rational decisions and the Wild don't always go hand-in-hand. Minnesota never has been afraid to let its free agents walk away, including Brian Rolston, Andrew Brunette and Todd White, just to name a few. But keeping Backstrom isn't going to be cheap. If Washington's Jose Theodore is making $4.5 million this season and Chicago's Cristobal Huet is earning a $5.626 million a season for the next four years, then what is Backstrom worth? Theodore and Huet haven't exactly set the world on fire. Normally, it wouldn't be a big deal if a club was trying to trade a UFA, but in Backstrom's case he has been the Wild's best player and is the main reason Minnesota is still in the playoff hunt. If Backstrom isn't there, the Wild is mediocre. Pronger on the blockIf the Devils make a push to deal for Anaheim's Chris Pronger, expect the Bruins to do the same. Though Pronger's $6.25-million US salary for next season is probably a little richer than the Bruins would like, they aren't about to let their Eastern Conference rivals load up for the playoffs without making a pitch of their own. If New Jersey does land Pronger, Boston could take a run at Anaheim's Scott Niedermayer, who can become a UFA in the off-season. A league source said the talk among the players in the Toronto dressing room is Pronger's headed to the Leafs. "(GM) Brian Burke absolutely loves the guy and there's a lot of talk the Ducks just don't want Pronger anymore," said the executive. Havlat staying putThe Chicago Blackhawks won't be moving forward Martin Havlat, who can become a UFA on July 1, at the deadline. Ideally, they'd like to find a centre to play with him down the stretch, but GM Dale Tallon has very little to spend under the salary cap. The word is the 'Hawks are talking to Havlat, who is making $6 million this season, about a long-term extension in the eight-to-10-year range. Off the glassThe Calgary Flames are looking at dealing for Phoenix centre Olli Jokinen. He has a strong relationship with Calgary coach Mike Keenan from their days together in Florida. Calgary was in the mix to land Jokinen before he was dealt to the Coyotes last summer. Edmonton, Columbus, Minnesota, Montreal and Vancouver are also interested. Meanwhile, Phoenix defenceman Derek Morris is a certainty to be moved ... The Thrashers are expected to deal defenceman Niclas Havelid. The asking price is a third-round pick and the Bruins have shown interest ... Before the Penguins dealt for forward Chris Kunitz on Thursday, there was talk Pittsburgh was looking at Kings winger Alexander Frolov as an option. He is available. Rumours du jourA league executive insists the Dallas Stars have been floating the names of forwards Brad Richards and Mike Ribeiro. Richards has a no-movement clause and it's doubtful he'll be going anywhere, but Ribeiro might be an attractive option for the 'Hawks ... A host of teams are trying to acquire Avalanche forward Ian Laperriere, including the Red Wings, Flyers, Canucks and Panthers. He and fellow pending UFA, defenceman Jordan Leopold, will be dealt ... Predators GM David Poile has indicated he's a seller. Centres Radek Bonk, Steve Sullivan and defenceman Greg de Vries are available ... The Flyers are trying to move Daniel Briere, but there's simply nobody who has the cap space ... The Flyers have offered Florida prospect forward James Van Rymsdyk and winger Joffrey Lupul as part of a package for defenceman Jay Bouwmeester www.torontosun.com/sports/hockey/2009/03/01/8576606-sun.html |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2009 17:14:31 GMT -5
From the Ottawa Sun: ========================================================== Sat, February 28, 2009
With the trade deadline looming the cast of characters in the NHL's annual spring extravaganza grows longer by the day
By MIKE ZEISBERGERAny rumour that has the Detroit Red Wings dealing for a goaltender is nothing more than a so-called pipe dream, according to general manager Ken Holland. While scuttlebutt involving marquee names like Jay Bouwmeester, Chris Pronger and Keith Tkachuk continues to mushroom around the league heading into Wednesday's trade deadline, the general manager of the Red Wings is happy just to do some roster tweaking, if anything. And that does not include trading for a puck stopper, even with the recent struggles of Chris Osgood. "Absolutely not. Is that clear enough?" Holland said when asked about potentially dealing for a goalie. "I believe Ozzie is going to play the way he can down the stretch. I like our one-two punch (of Osgood and current starter Ty Conklin) in goal. If we play good team defence, our goaltending is every bit as good as we need it to be." Holland is in an enviable position. With the off-season addition of Marian Hossa, the Wings, arguably, are stronger now than during their Stanley Cup season of a year ago. Wednesday's 4-1 victory over the San Jose Sharks, the team believed to be the biggest threat to the Wings' crown, once again was an opportunity for the Wings to flex their collective muscles. "Are we looking to do something at (the deadline)? Not really," Holland said. Perhaps a depth guy, like a Gary Roberts. Otherwise, Holland seems to be satisfied if he stands pat. That's a claim 29 other envious GMs can't make. In fact, there is plenty of buzz around the league leading up to the March 4 deadline. With that in mind, Sun Media, with the help of sources and correspondents who either cover or are close to the various teams, offers up the following summary of the trade talk going on in the two conferences. WESTERN CONFERENCEAfter the Anaheim Ducks acquired puck-moving defenceman Ryan Whitney Thursday, the prospect of dealing Pronger, who has one season remaining at $6 million, or Scott Niedermayer, a pending unrestricted free agent, seems imminent. Niedermayer's looming decision concerning retirement will play a role ... The St. Louis Blues were making it difficult on themselves when it comes to Tkachuk. After defeating the Dallas Stars 3-1 Thursday, the Blues were three points back of a playoff spot and might want to keep Tkachuk for post-season run ... Blues would like to deal defenceman Jay McKee, but his $4 million US salary makes that difficult ... The Minnesota Wild is in negotiations with Nik Backstrom's agent, Don Baizley, on an extension. If one is not completed by March 4, GM Doug Risebrough might be inclined to keep Backstrom for a potential playoff run ... Wild forward Marian Gaborik has a test on his healing left hip on Tuesday. If he passes, he might be moved ... The Colorado Avalanche will be sellers, with goaltending help and draft picks on the wish list in return. Forward Ryan Smyth's name has been linked to teams like the Sabres but he has a no-trade ... The Edmonton Oilers covet a top-six forward. Among the potential rental players the Oil might look at: Alexei Kovalev and Buffalo's Tim Connolly ... The Vancouver Canucks have about $3 million of cap space but do not have a large cache of prospects to deal ... Matthew Lombardi is an obvious trade chip in a potential deal involving the Calgary Flames ... Olli Jokinen could be on his way out of Phoenix. EASTERN CONFERENCEPending UFA Jay Bouwmeester is the talk of the league. - Reports of GM Jacques Martin being in Philadelphia this week had tongues wagging about a potential deal with the Flyers, but Philly has cap problems. Martin MUST make the playoffs and might have to hold on to the big defenceman, even at the risk of losing him without any return this summer. The two sides have discussed a contract extension ... Having sent Dan Boyle to San Jose last summer for minimal return, the Tampa Bay Lightning need blue line help. Because they likely won't move Vincent Lecavalier or Martin St. Louis, picks probably are the most realistic return in any trade. Still, veterans Roberts, Mark Recchi, Marek Malik and Vinny Prospal could be available ... By dealing Steve Begin to the Dallas Stars for defenceman Doug Janek, the Montreal Canadiens set the table for a potential deal for an expierienced centre to replace the injured Robert Lang. The plan was for Janik to be sent to AHL Hamilton once he cleared waivers. Then, after dealing Mathieu Dandenault ($1.8 million salary this season), the Canadiens can go after a rental. Because Janek can step in if the Habs need to call up a blue liner with NHL experience, Dandenault is considered expendable ... Canadiens enforcer Georges Laraque wants out, but teams might shy away from a fighter who is very picky about when to scrap ... Ottawa Senators GM Bryan Murray is expected to try to move defenceman Filip Kuba and right winger Chris Neil ... Veterans Doug Weight (injured) and Bill Guerin will be available from the Islanders, who are seeking picks. www.ottawasun.com/Sports/Hockey/2009/02/28/8564936-sun.html |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 1, 2009 17:21:19 GMT -5
Boston does have enough space (I think), but the cap hit is calculated using the number of days until the last game of the season, not remaining games. For future reference, is all. But isn't there something about getting under next years cap also, don't know how Boston is for contracts next year but can they absorb 6.25 next year also. I remember Anaheim having to dump MacDonald to get Niedermayer back in the line up from his 1/2 year off because of his cap hit in the next year not the current one. Yes, all your transactions have to satisfy both the current cap season and all future ones. If Pronger was traded to the Bruins, they'd have to make sure they can fit his 6.25M in next season. With only about $43M committed, it's no issue from that angle right now, but could become an issue when they need to re-sign Krejci and Kessel who I suspect will garner about $7M combined. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2009 18:15:45 GMT -5
But isn't there something about getting under next years cap also, don't know how Boston is for contracts next year but can they absorb 6.25 next year also. I remember Anaheim having to dump MacDonald to get Niedermayer back in the line up from his 1/2 year off because of his cap hit in the next year not the current one. Yes, all your transactions have to satisfy both the current cap season and all future ones. If Pronger was traded to the Bruins, they'd have to make sure they can fit his 6.25M in next season. With only about $43M committed, it's no issue from that angle right now, but could become an issue when they need to re-sign Krejci and Kessel who I suspect will garner about $7M combined. They also have to sign Tim Thomas who is UFA this season. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2009 18:18:49 GMT -5
More from Garrioch: ============================================================ Sunday, March 1, 2009
Rumour mill is buzzing
Pronger on the block
If the Devils make a push to deal for Anaheim's Chris Pronger, expect the Bruins to do the same. Though Pronger's $6.25-million US salary for next season is probably a little richer than the Bruins would like, they aren't about to let their Eastern Conference rivals load up for the playoffs without making a pitch of their own. If New Jersey does land Pronger, Boston could take a run at Anaheim's Scott Niedermayer, who can become a UFA in the off-season. A league source said the talk among the players in the Toronto dressing room is Pronger's headed to the Leafs. "(GM) Brian Burke absolutely loves the guy and there's a lot of talk the Ducks just don't want Pronger anymore," said the executive.
RE: the Pronger to Leafs rumor - I heard Burke vehemently deny this. He said it just not make sense to bring Pronger in to the Leafs at this stage. I did hear an interesting destination for Pronger today from Darren Dreger - St. Louis. They feel they will be a playoff team next year & also feel they have an advantage becaus ehis wife is from St. Louis. |
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Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2009 18:21:25 GMT -5
To be fair the report says they are held up on cap issues - it may mean that the trade can't go through right now, rather than the GM's are holding it up. According to nhlnumbers.com, the Bruins have more than $2.5m in cap space. Pronger's cap hit is $6.25m a season, and Moen is $0.9125m. Boston has 19 games left. Combined, their cap hit for the rest of the season is $1.66m. Boston has enough room. Removing the salaries that Anaheim is giving up in the proposed deal means they have plenty of space for what Boston is reported to be giving back. It isn't cap space holding up the show in my opinion. One more reason this report is suspect. Seems to me that the reporter didn't do his homework by claiming cap issues were a problem. Amd with the Ducks win yesterday they moved into a playoff position. I read a good take on this Pronger situation here: www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Andy-Strickland/Guerin-To-Flyers-Tkachuk-Staying/5/19712 |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 1, 2009 18:41:10 GMT -5
Yes, all your transactions have to satisfy both the current cap season and all future ones. If Pronger was traded to the Bruins, they'd have to make sure they can fit his 6.25M in next season. With only about $43M committed, it's no issue from that angle right now, but could become an issue when they need to re-sign Krejci and Kessel who I suspect will garner about $7M combined. They also have to sign Tim Thomas who is UFA this season. Regardless, I think acquiring Pronger will make Boston's offseason a tall task to keep the team as competitive. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2009 18:43:50 GMT -5
More from Garrioch: ============================================================ Sunday, March 1, 2009
Rumour mill is buzzing
Pronger on the block
If the Devils make a push to deal for Anaheim's Chris Pronger, expect the Bruins to do the same. Though Pronger's $6.25-million US salary for next season is probably a little richer than the Bruins would like, they aren't about to let their Eastern Conference rivals load up for the playoffs without making a pitch of their own. If New Jersey does land Pronger, Boston could take a run at Anaheim's Scott Niedermayer, who can become a UFA in the off-season. A league source said the talk among the players in the Toronto dressing room is Pronger's headed to the Leafs. "(GM) Brian Burke absolutely loves the guy and there's a lot of talk the Ducks just don't want Pronger anymore," said the executive.
RE: the Pronger to Leafs rumor - I heard Burke vehemently deny this. He said it just not make sense to bring Pronger in to the Leafs at this stage. I did hear an interesting destination for Pronger today from Darren Dreger - St. Louis. They feel they will be a playoff team next year & also feel they have an advantage becaus ehis wife is from St. Louis. I heard St Louis online as well, jkr. I'm hoping this is the case if he is in fact moving. Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Mar 1, 2009 18:48:04 GMT -5
Red,
I'm not going to say Boston has over achieved this year, but they've had strong seasons from a lot of young players who may feel a lot of pressure next year to repeat that. It's something we've seen with some of our young players this year.
Thomas has over achieved in my opinion. While he's a good goalie, he's never stood on his head for this long and he has this year. They may let him walk with Rask waiting in the wings.
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Post by jkr on Mar 2, 2009 6:28:22 GMT -5
RE: the Pronger to Leafs rumor - I heard Burke vehemently deny this. He said it just not make sense to bring Pronger in to the Leafs at this stage. I did hear an interesting destination for Pronger today from Darren Dreger - St. Louis. They feel they will be a playoff team next year & also feel they have an advantage becaus ehis wife is from St. Louis. I heard St Louis online as well, jkr. I'm hoping this is the case if he is in fact moving. Cheers. I think we are feeling the same way - please don't trade him to an eastern team.  |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 10:19:41 GMT -5
Red, I'm not going to say Boston has over achieved this year, but they've had strong seasons from a lot of young players who may feel a lot of pressure next year to repeat that. It's something we've seen with some of our young players this year. Thomas has over achieved in my opinion. While he's a good goalie, he's never stood on his head for this long and he has this year. They may let him walk with Rask waiting in the wings. Or if they can find the cap space go with Khabibulin, or Backstrom. There are plenty of goaltenders I'd say are better than Thomas out there, and I agree. Thomas isn't the cat's meow. That 75 foot goal by Semin against him is evidence of that. |
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Post by The New Guy on Mar 2, 2009 10:24:02 GMT -5
I heard St Louis online as well, jkr. I'm hoping this is the case if he is in fact moving. Cheers. I think we are feeling the same way - please don't trade him to an eastern team. Unless its the Habs! |
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 2, 2009 17:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by franko on Mar 2, 2009 20:07:05 GMT -5
Well, duh. "Trade me, please" . . . and then we expect it to be a surprise if he is?
otoh, While the team was lined up for windsprints, Max Lapierre and Mike Komisarek were yapping at one another, and then the big defenceman cross-checked Lapierre and whacked at his stick as the two exchanged nose-to-nose expletives.
So Komi can hit . . . maybe he'll do it in a game situation!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 2, 2009 20:31:24 GMT -5
Well, duh. "Trade me, please" . . . and then we expect it to be a surprise if he is? otoh, While the team was lined up for windsprints, Max Lapierre and Mike Komisarek were yapping at one another, and then the big defenceman cross-checked Lapierre and whacked at his stick as the two exchanged nose-to-nose expletives.So Komi can hit . . . maybe he'll do it in a game situation! Well, there's spirit in the club if nothing else. It should come in handy at this time of year. Good to see actually. Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 2, 2009 21:38:35 GMT -5
Well, duh. "Trade me, please" . . . and then we expect it to be a surprise if he is? otoh, While the team was lined up for windsprints, Max Lapierre and Mike Komisarek were yapping at one another, and then the big defenceman cross-checked Lapierre and whacked at his stick as the two exchanged nose-to-nose expletives.So Komi can hit . . . maybe he'll do it in a game situation! We all knew he could whack someone in the back with his stick ...it is the non-telegraphed hip check / body check we question.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 2, 2009 22:24:47 GMT -5
The latest from Spector's Hockey. I kind of like this no-nonsense approach to what's become the annual media feeding frenzy. ================================================================= Afternoon Update - March 2, 2009
Written by Lyle Richardson
Monday, 02 March 2009 14:43The latest on Jason Spezza, Tomas Kaberle, Ryan Smyth, and Bill Guerin. OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports Senators GM Bryan Murray claims no one has made inquiries about center Jason Spezza heading into the trade deadline. Murray continues talks with Filip Kuba and Chris Neil but apparently hasn’t gotten anywhere. SPECTOR’S NOTE: Hat tip to “Curtis”. This certainly isn’t shocking about Spezza. His contract is too hefty in terms of length and salary for NHL teams to take on, especially when there’s concern about a future drop in the salary cap.TSN.CA/AM640: report Maple Leafs GM Brian Burke called a recent rumor claiming he was on the verge of dealing Tomas Kaberle to the Boston Bruins a “total fabrication”. SPECTOR’S NOTE: Hat tip to “Bill” for the AM640 “Leafs Lunch” link. The Boston Herald has taken some unfair flak for this, as their report clearly stated it was a rumor, not a deal all but set to go down as some others have suggested. Regardless, it’s clear Kaberle won’t be dealt to Boston.GLOBEANDMAIL.COM: Matthew Sekeres reports on the possibility of the Vancouver Canucks acquiring Ryan Smyth from the Colorado Avalanche, suggesting Smyth might welcome an opportunity to return to a Canadian team. SPECTOR’S NOTE: In today’s Denver Post Terry Frei reported Smyth has not been approached by Avs management about waiving his movement clause and said he’d be shocked if that were to occur. Smyth won’t be traded.NEWSDAY: Greg Logan reports Bill Guerin remains in limbo as whatever deal that was brewing between the Islanders and a mystery team on Saturday night continues brewing. If it falls through Logan writes GM Garth Snow will have to find another team to take him. SPECTOR’S NOTE: Snow has until 3 pm ET on Wednesday to move Guerin but the clock is ticking. www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=609:afternoon-update-march-2-2009&catid=34:articles&Itemid=55 |
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Post by HFTO on Mar 2, 2009 22:35:17 GMT -5
Were in a tough position as always were tweeners going into the playoffs without much hope of a deal that could make a significant difference...and most likely no deal as usual.
There is always that hope ...but it's like were sitting in the pumpkin patch waiting for the Great Pumkin knowing full well he's not coming but we sit in that damn patch all night anyways.
HFTO
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 3, 2009 15:18:41 GMT -5
Burke is on the radio saying that Kaberle "won't be gone." Ian White and Luke Schenn appear to be the only other "untouchables."
Burke more or less inferred he'd have to seriously consider a high 2nd pick for Antropov.
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Post by seventeen on Mar 3, 2009 21:53:42 GMT -5
Ian White, an untouchable? I had no idea he was from India.
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 3, 2009 22:34:29 GMT -5
Antropov and Moore healthy scratches tonight.
Kaberle didn't play the third period. Reports said he sustained an injury near the end of the second period.
Who knows?
In Moore's case, I heard that he and Burke are too far apart in contract negotiations....about a million dollars apart.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 3, 2009 23:41:26 GMT -5
In Moore's case, I heard that he and Burke are too far apart in contract negotiations....about a million dollars apart. Moore gets his first 10 goal NHL season and now he wants $2.75 to $3M. Yeah Dom, I am sure Burke will cave in on that request. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 4, 2009 0:32:40 GMT -5
Not strictly a rumour, but some speculating by Arpon Bansu, who writes the Daily Hab-its blog. dailyhab-it.blogspot.com/2009/03/could-tanguay-be-in-play.htmlI was just reading an excellent history of Bob Gainey's trading activity as an NHL general manager over at Lions in Winter, and it got me thinking.
Could Bob Gainey be a partial seller Wednesday?
The last two trade deadlines in Montreal have been marked by Gainey trying to grab some value for impending unrestricted free agents he had no intention of re-signing. Two years ago it was Craig Rivet, which brought the Canadiens Josh Gorges and Max Pacioretty. And last year it was Cristobal Huet for a second round pick in this year's draft.
So who among this year's massive crop of unrestricted free agents are unlikely to return to Montreal?
Alex Kovalev? I think that's a fair bet, but I'm not sure there would be equal value coming back for him unless what Darren Dreger reported about Erik Cole being part of a potential package from the Oilers for him is true.
But the more intriguing name for me is Alex Tanguay. His value is diminished because he won't have played a game before the 3 p.m. deadline Wednesday, but Tanguay could entice some GM out there desperate to add some scoring talent who would be willing to give the Habs the defenceman they badly need.
I don't think it would be such a bad move, because I don't feel Tanguay ever really found a role on this team or linemates that he developed any chemistry with while he was healthy. If he can bring in a defenceman who could compete for playing time on the Habs third pairing, then Tanguay may be worth shipping out.
The only reason I'm even thinking of this scenario is simply because Gainey's pattern of behaviour on deadline day has led me to expect the unexpected. So maybe Tanguay leaving town is something we should expect.
Any buyer needing offence in the Western Conference could be a decent trade partner, but the problem is Tanguay has a no-trade clause and would need to be consulted on the location. That likely takes a few of the teams out of the running, like Nashville and Columbus for instance.
But Vancouver could use a high-end winger, and they have tons of cap space to absorb what's left on Tanguay's big contract. They also have Mathias Ohlund headed to unrestricted free agency, but I'm not sure they would do that. But would Gainey accept potential restricted free agent Shane O'Brien and a pick as a sufficient return for Tanguay?
Not sure, but I feel this is a chip that Gainey has in his back pocket that hasn't been talked about at all, and that's a big reason why he may be in play on Wednesday.
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Post by clear observer on Mar 4, 2009 0:38:21 GMT -5
Not strictly a rumour, but some speculating by Arpon Bansu, who write the Daily Hab-its blog. dailyhab-it.blogspot.com/2009/03/could-tanguay-be-in-play.htmlI was just reading an excellent history of Bob Gainey's trading activity as an NHL general manager over at Lions in Winter, and it got me thinking.
Could Bob Gainey be a partial seller Wednesday?
The last two trade deadlines in Montreal have been marked by Gainey trying to grab some value for impending unrestricted free agents he had no intention of re-signing. Two years ago it was Craig Rivet, which brought the Canadiens Josh Gorges and Max Pacioretty. And last year it was Cristobal Huet for a second round pick in this year's draft.
So who among this year's massive crop of unrestricted free agents are unlikely to return to Montreal?
Alex Kovalev? I think that's a fair bet, but I'm not sure there would be equal value coming back for him unless what Darren Dreger reported about Erik Cole being part of a potential package from the Oilers for him is true.
But the more intriguing name for me is Alex Tanguay. His value is diminished because he won't have played a game before the 3 p.m. deadline Wednesday, but Tanguay could entice some GM out there desperate to add some scoring talent who would be willing to give the Habs the defenceman they badly need.
I don't think it would be such a bad move, because I don't feel Tanguay ever really found a role on this team or linemates that he developed any chemistry with while he was healthy. If he can bring in a defenceman who could compete for playing time on the Habs third pairing, then Tanguay may be worth shipping out.
The only reason I'm even thinking of this scenario is simply because Gainey's pattern of behaviour on deadline day has led me to expect the unexpected. So maybe Tanguay leaving town is something we should expect.
Any buyer needing offence in the Western Conference could be a decent trade partner, but the problem is Tanguay has a no-trade clause and would need to be consulted on the location. That likely takes a few of the teams out of the running, like Nashville and Columbus for instance.
But Vancouver could use a high-end winger, and they have tons of cap space to absorb what's left on Tanguay's big contract. They also have Mathias Ohlund headed to unrestricted free agency, but I'm not sure they would do that. But would Gainey accept potential restricted free agent Shane O'Brien and a pick as a sufficient return for Tanguay?
Not sure, but I feel this is a chip that Gainey has in his back pocket that hasn't been talked about at all, and that's a big reason why he may be in play on Wednesday.
Shipping Tanguay would be yet another P.R. disaster...."local boy comes home, leads team in scoring, gets injured and then gets traded just before recovery and six weeks before the playoffs"....riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Not a chance Ganey pulls that one off. |
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