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Post by jkr on Mar 17, 2009 6:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 17, 2009 7:00:14 GMT -5
Had to take a second look at that one, JKR. The story said his opponent got a 4-game suspension, but you wouldn't have that for a regular fight.
The article doesn't say anything about a scrap, so I have to wonder if young Emelin even saw this coming.
Cheers.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 17, 2009 9:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Holliday on Mar 17, 2009 9:36:08 GMT -5
...somewhat unrelated to the subject of the thread but the article mentions that AK Bars probably will NOT offer a new contract to Yemelin as they are unhappy with his progression since they signed him. Obviously the NHL is not the only pro league where players tend to sit on their big contract. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 17, 2009 9:47:59 GMT -5
...somewhat unrelated to the subject of the thread but the article mentions that AK Bars probably will NOT offer a new contract to Yemelin as they are unhappy with his progression since they signed him. Obviously the NHL is not the only pro league where players tend to sit on their big contract. Thanks for pointing that out as my french isn't that good I thought it said they were happy with his progress and will be interested in signing him............. I think it also said Montreal is offering their own medical help so if thats true then maybe its a good will gesture and a good way to start contract talks. |
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Post by Skilly on Mar 17, 2009 10:59:15 GMT -5
Svitov hit him in the head when he was on the ice defenseless.
They lugged him off the ice with four guys carrying him in a blanket?? Wonderful....
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Post by jkr on Mar 17, 2009 11:50:58 GMT -5
...somewhat unrelated to the subject of the thread but the article mentions that AK Bars probably will NOT offer a new contract to Yemelin as they are unhappy with his progression since they signed him. Obviously the NHL is not the only pro league where players tend to sit on their big contract. Thanks for pointing that out as my french isn't that good I thought it said they were happy with his progress and will be interested in signing him............. I think it also said Montreal is offering their own medical help so if thats true then maybe its a good will gesture and a good way to start contract talks. But if he is not progressing in the KHL how will he do over here? |
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Post by jkr on Mar 17, 2009 11:51:51 GMT -5
Svitov hit him in the head when he was on the ice defenseless. They lugged him off the ice with four guys carrying him in a blanket?? Wonderful.... OMG. One little slip & he could land on the ice again. Can't they afford a stretcher? |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 17, 2009 13:51:57 GMT -5
well kid you wanted to stay home, backed out on a done deal with us, its hard to feel sorry for the KO. he got knocked out with a right hand, luckily his head didn't hit the ice going down, why the linesman didn't grab his arm when he was trying to continue to punch a defenseless player is beyond me.
what an effen bush league.
come on over to the nhl, where they have stretchers and doctors and linesmen that do their job (too much for me in many cases).
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 17, 2009 15:39:10 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing that out as my french isn't that good I thought it said they were happy with his progress and will be interested in signing him............. I think it also said Montreal is offering their own medical help so if thats true then maybe its a good will gesture and a good way to start contract talks. But if he is not progressing in the KHL how will he do over here? Well the thought is that his game is better suited to the North American game. He did regress the last two season as he was almost a fixture for the Russian National Team before he signed that 2 year contract. He once had a offensive game that is no longer there and even his physical game seemed to have regressed a bit. Perhaps he was miffed at his agent after all (it was reported he was not told of a Hab contract on the table when he signed in Russia)and always wanted to come over? We all assumed he lied about that...... |
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Post by jkr on Mar 17, 2009 15:51:53 GMT -5
But if he is not progressing in the KHL how will he do over here? Well the thought is that his game is better suited to the North American game. He did regress the last two season as he was almost a fixture for the Russian National Team before he signed that 2 year contract. He once had a offensive game that is no longer there and even his physical game seemed to have regressed a bit. Perhaps he was miffed at his agent after all (it was reported he was not told of a Hab contract on the table when he signed in Russia)and always wanted to come over? We all assumed he lied about that...... I had heard the same stories - that MTL offered him a deal & he signed in Russia because he didn't know about the Habs offer. I wish him a speedy recovery & maybe now, we will see him in North America next season. |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 17, 2009 18:25:29 GMT -5
watching him at the world juniors live i didn't see the offensive side of his game at all. but in the corners he was my favourite player in that tournament, nasty.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 17, 2009 21:31:27 GMT -5
watching him at the world juniors live i didn't see the offensive side of his game at all. but in the corners he was my favourite player in that tournament, nasty. Watching him in the fight, I'm not sure he would hold his own along the boards against NY City supermodels. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Mar 18, 2009 8:45:25 GMT -5
watching him at the world juniors live i didn't see the offensive side of his game at all. but in the corners he was my favourite player in that tournament, nasty. He played well in 2005-06 WJC for Russia. 2 goals ,5 assists, +3, 39 PIM, in the 6 games he played. The year after he played in the WC Russia netting 1 goal, 2 assist, +4 in 9 games as a 20 year old. Note: When Pierre McGuire talks about Emelin this is the player he's talking about. In the 2005-06 season with Lada Togliatti playing the RSL he got 6 goals, 6 assist with a plus 9 and 129 PIM in 43 games. I'm kind of speculating here but at the end of that season Emelin hurt a player named Evgeny Varlamov with a cross check to his face who suffered a concussion and serveral broken bones in the neck. Emelin was suspended for five games and that hit initated a criminal investigation which was latter dropped. Since then he never put up any offensive numbers and his PIM dropped drastically. I'm thinking either he or his coachs started changing his game up since that incident. Like I said before just spectulaing but it seems from that point on his game regressed. Alexei Emelin dirty cross check on Evgeny Varlamov: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN4rv2Z_eU0 |
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Post by habmeister on Mar 18, 2009 14:48:34 GMT -5
i didn't need to watch the video, sounds like bertuzzi. sometimes people that have those tempers where they just snap and do something without thinking first not only regret it later but it kills that nasty side of them. others i guess don't, but it looks like emelin lost that edge to his game after suffering a lot of emotional guilt over the incident, just my own conclusion. it's a fine line they walk in this league. i hope he does come over and discover that nasty side again, because he was a tough sob in the corners , i enjoyed watching him win battles, i'd rather go into a corner with komi than him.
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 18, 2009 15:35:33 GMT -5
i hope he does come over and discover that nasty side again, because he was a tough sob in the corners , i enjoyed watching him win battles, i'd rather go into a corner with komi than him. No doubt. There was a good reason he was compared to Kasparaitis. |
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Post by CentreHice on Mar 18, 2009 22:14:35 GMT -5
Kind of related...but Latendresse, in the opinion of many that I've read, hasn't had the same edge to his game after ending Rob Dimaio's career in the pre-season of 2006. Which is his entire pro career.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 18, 2009 22:37:25 GMT -5
Emelin on his best day isn't as good a prospect as McDonough or Subban.
YEAH, HE COULD MAKE THE TEAM, but not as an impact player.
He could replace Breezeby or Komisarek as departing pylon, not really an improvement.
We are an expansion team without a high draft pick. We are shedding older players and salary and replacing them by coming close but not getting the top line UFA's.
We'll overpay for overtaxed middle line free agents whose agents allow them to come to Montreal, a non-contender.
This years bad team is going to get worse.
SAD!
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Post by CrocRob on Mar 18, 2009 22:43:06 GMT -5
Emelin on his best day isn't as good a prospect as McDonough or Subban. Can you elaborate on that? Or is that all based on the hearsay you've read on message boards? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 18, 2009 0:44:08 GMT -5
Word out of one of the russianprospects.com guys over on HF is that Emelin is looking to resign with Ak Bars Kazan. Not sure if this is just showboating over there, but with his regression in his overall play and now a sense of unwillingness to come over to NA, this is a clue to give our Russian scout a few years off without pay or time to get him to move his home base to Sweden.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2009 1:45:15 GMT -5
If there was ever a time you'd be pencilled in for a spot on the big team right away, it's right now. Let's see, he has to beat out 3 of Breezer, O'Byrne, Komi, Cube and Schneider. Do chickens have lips?
Slam dunk, so what's in his head? or perhaps, it's just rumour mongering.
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 18, 2009 9:16:52 GMT -5
that would be frustrating and totally contrary to what was rumoured in the past about him wanting to come over and AK Bars not wanting to re-sign him.
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 18, 2009 10:04:39 GMT -5
I agree RS. Rumours came out shortly after he signed his latest contract that his Russian agent didn't even tell him about the Habs contract being on the table. He was quoted as saying IIRC "I was screwed by my agent."
Anyways, if it turns out that he re-signs in Russia, I believe that the Habs as an organization will have to stop selecting players out of Russia without getting some sort of assurance that the player is interested in playing for the team. With the current CBA, draft choices are too valuable to waste.
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Post by jkr on Apr 18, 2009 10:36:38 GMT -5
I agree RS. Rumours came out shortly after he signed his latest contract that his Russian agent didn't even tell him about the Habs contract being on the table. He was quoted as saying IIRC "I was screwed by my agent." Anyways, if it turns out that he re-signs in Russia, I believe that the Habs as an organization will have to stop selecting players out of Russia without getting some sort of assurance that the player is interested in playing for the team. With the current CBA, draft choices are too valuable to waste. Agreed. Who knows if Emelin or Valetenko will ever play in the NHL. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 18, 2009 15:42:55 GMT -5
I agree RS. Rumours came out shortly after he signed his latest contract that his Russian agent didn't even tell him about the Habs contract being on the table. He was quoted as saying IIRC "I was screwed by my agent." Anyways, if it turns out that he re-signs in Russia, I believe that the Habs as an organization will have to stop selecting players out of Russia without getting some sort of assurance that the player is interested in playing for the team. With the current CBA, draft choices are too valuable to waste. But if Montreal has his NHL rights....wouldn't his agent be in breach if such a contract was offered and he didn't tell his client? The Habs could sue. Unless I don't know the whole story..... |
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Post by CrocRob on Apr 18, 2009 17:15:05 GMT -5
I agree RS. Rumours came out shortly after he signed his latest contract that his Russian agent didn't even tell him about the Habs contract being on the table. He was quoted as saying IIRC "I was screwed by my agent." Anyways, if it turns out that he re-signs in Russia, I believe that the Habs as an organization will have to stop selecting players out of Russia without getting some sort of assurance that the player is interested in playing for the team. With the current CBA, draft choices are too valuable to waste. But if Montreal has his NHL rights....wouldn't his agent be in breach if such a contract was offered and he didn't tell his client? The Habs could sue. Unless I don't know the whole story..... They could sue him in North America. That's not going to carry much salt in Russia. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 18, 2009 22:45:14 GMT -5
Emelin on his best day isn't as good a prospect as McDonough or Subban. Can you elaborate on that? Or is that all based on the hearsay you've read on message boards? Hockeys Future rates our prospects. McDonough is rated higher than the two "Wild and Crazy Russian Guys." So is Subban and P.K. has played excellent hockey and is progressing fastest. There will be openings on "D" for anybody who can play their way onto the squad. Beating out Gorges, Dandy, O'byrne or Boullion is not exaqctly like beating out Robinson, Savard or Lapointe to make the team. Hamrlik is one dimensional and getting older and slower, Komisarek is getting free and can't possibly get slower, Markov is good but not $5 million good. We are looking at our kids to get better and that is not a good sign. |
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Post by Anardil1 on Apr 18, 2009 23:02:06 GMT -5
I wouldn't put too much stock on what Hockey's Future says in regards to prospect ratings. They don't use any professional scouts when putting together their ratings. In fact, IIRC, their ratings are compiled by their moderators and/or individual team writers ( none of whom are professional journalists or scouts, I believe.) I do visit their site regularly, simply because there are many high quality, knowledgeable posters, some of whom are true pros (Bob MacKenzie is a poster.) I enjoy the site, simply because it is the best on line source for getting info on prospects.
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 19, 2009 9:13:12 GMT -5
But if Montreal has his NHL rights....wouldn't his agent be in breach if such a contract was offered and he didn't tell his client? The Habs could sue. Unless I don't know the whole story..... I think it would be up to Emelin to sue his agent... neither Emelin nor his agent have any contractual obligations to the Canadiens, aside from them "owning his rights" (a bizarre concept in and of itself). The only thing the agent would be guilty of is being a lousy agent, if you ask me. And of course this is all assuming the "my agent screwed me" story is even true. It always sounded a little "convenient" to me. Yeah, my agent really screwed me by getting more money in my own country near my own family. I really should have taken that $75,000 salary in Hamilton, instead of the $1 million I am getting here... I've said it on numerous occasions; until I see Perezhogin/Emelin/Valentenko/Korneev actually wearing a Habs sweater during an actual NHL game I'm just going to assume they are never coming here. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2009 9:22:40 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on that? Or is that all based on the hearsay you've read on message boards? Markov is good but not $5 million good. Yes he is that good. He is clearly the Habs best player & was their leading scorer before his injury. He was also the number 2 scorer amongst all NHL defensemen this season, behind only Mike Green. Compare his performance to others like Brian Campbell who make much more. And BTW, counting playoffs, Montreal is 0-5-1 since his injury. |
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