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Post by CentreHice on Oct 30, 2014 13:28:50 GMT -5
I'm sure you're all aware. I applaud this woman for her bravery. All too often victims are afraid to come forward because many have been victimized all over again by lawyers, media. I think more women will give their names now. There are several of them and their stories are basically the same. Pulling hair, hitting/slapping about the face/head, choking, no consent. From the outside looking in, Ghomeshi appears to be a narcissistic, abusive sexual predator. Toronto StarCBC News |
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Post by franko on Oct 30, 2014 14:03:21 GMT -5
it was all consensual, dontchaknow, CH.
funny how so many were appalled and horrified at the goings-on in the NFL . . . and are appalled at the CBC for how they've treated poor Jian.
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I think the CBC blew it totally. Ghomeshi took the lead on the matter with his Facebook post and his (not going anywhere) lawsuit and got the public on his side. support may be waning now as more allegations come out, but he's working on spin for his future, and has done it right (they've all learned from Letterman, haven't they?). MotherCorp should have suspended him with pay (even though it's hefty) pending an investigation, then told him (quietly) that he would not be back after a brief time. bad optics on their part to begin with. bad optics for him right now . . . how much do you want to bet there's a book deal in the offing?
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Post by jkr on Oct 30, 2014 14:14:29 GMT -5
Saw a labor lawyer on Global several days ago that said basically, that this lawsuit is a non-starter. Because he's part of a union his rights are limited.
Somewhere Billy Bob Thornton has heard about this & is having a good laugh.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 30, 2014 14:30:00 GMT -5
I'm going to be the big bad meanie and do justice to my avatar....
The only thing interesting to me in this case is the social media mob swaying in the wind. Guilty? Innocent? Facebook based justice already decided.
There are so many presumptions on so many notions of righteousness......so let this go to court and clean itself up.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 30, 2014 14:39:36 GMT -5
how much do you want to bet there's a book deal in the offing? There's at least one screenplay underway right now, I'm sure…filling in the blanks as the story moves along. If the allegations are true, the best script will be chosen…and it'll be an automatic shoo-in to win many Canadian Screen Awards (formerly Geminis). |
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Post by franko on Oct 30, 2014 15:10:15 GMT -5
Saw a labor lawyer on Global several days ago that said basically, that this lawsuit is a non-starter. Because he's part of a union his rights are limited. all part of the game. with a lawsuit he can say just about anything he wants and not be sued for libel by the CBC. surprised they haven't countersued to shut him up. but now that the women are speaking out publicly he's in trouble. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 30, 2014 19:38:32 GMT -5
His PR firm, the mighty Navigator has dropped him. Maybe they also rep CBC News and don't want a conflict…or they know too much and don't want to sully their brand. rock-it promotions has also dropped him. And another woman has come forward. Not looking too good. Same kind of violent, non-consensual behaviour. Reva Seth |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 30, 2014 20:02:30 GMT -5
Let's hope there isn't too much damage done to the CBC when Harper can sell it in two years.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 30, 2014 20:46:00 GMT -5
Too much marketable drama ... what's his last name ... Kardasian?
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 6:25:33 GMT -5
If the public was on his side, they aren't anymore. "GoMessy" is going to be eating a lot of humble pie. He's no longer the King of Spain (Moxy Fruvous reference).
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 7:38:23 GMT -5
Another woman…no name….but similar story, from just 2 years ago. He said his texted violence was just that…a text fantasy. So when he blindsided her, she was stunned. Beaten with belt, choked, smothered. Bruises. Hope she still has the pictures she sent him. New Brunswick |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 31, 2014 11:53:06 GMT -5
I think its kind of funny how the media is jumping all over this, really why should someone care what people do in their private life.
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Post by franko on Oct 31, 2014 12:23:58 GMT -5
I think its kind of funny how the media is jumping all over this, really why should someone care what people do in their private life. it's what the media does best **cough**Rob Ford**cough Ghomeshi isn't people, he's as close to a star as we have in Canada (next to Justin Trudeau). |
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Post by Cranky on Oct 31, 2014 12:40:35 GMT -5
I'm not putting this into the "doing it in the bedroom". This is assault, plain and simple.
I hate the social media lynch mobs. I hate the media. Yes, HATE. But if this guy is guilty of what he's been accused off, in a court of law, I hope he goes to jail and a tag team of Aryan race and Brotherhood show him some.ummm....love.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 13:18:46 GMT -5
I think its kind of funny how the media is jumping all over this, really why should someone care what people do in their private life. Because if the stories are true, then he's guilty of physical, sexual assault. No statute of limitations on that. Not consensual….that's a common thread in the stories, as is the list of assaults. |
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Post by Polarice on Oct 31, 2014 14:35:55 GMT -5
I Don't think it was assault....from the news stories and interviews I've watched, all the women were in some sort of communication with him prior to going to the bedroom, and his likes were discussed. One woman commented, saying she thought it was just foreplay....fantasy talk etc. So they were aware.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 31, 2014 15:10:03 GMT -5
I think its kind of funny how the media is jumping all over this ... This is what miffs me about the whole story ... the focus is more about who it is rather than the acts and this is where I stop listening ... the actual message in this whole media-driven fiasco should be "show (your son) how to respect women" ... I think that message has become secondary to sensationalism when it really should be the primary focus ... as an aside, the way we handled this with Dis Jr was by telling him how some girls choose their boyfriends ... a good indication of how they're going to be treated, as a girlfriend, is how these guys treat their mothers ... I've seen commercials on TV about respecting women ... there has to be a reason for that, too ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Oct 31, 2014 16:28:39 GMT -5
A co-worker of mine is well connected to the music scene here, in Montreal, and Toronto. Stories of Jian have been just below the surface for years. Lots of 'unwanted attention' and worse. Gropes, grabs, etc. and beyond. All it takes is one brave victim to come forward, and usually the flood gates open. Given how graphic his press blurb was last week, you can imagine how graphic things are that were left out. At this point, no one has said the word 'rape' that I'm aware of, but there's plenty of smoldering embers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 31, 2014 20:39:48 GMT -5
Two women file complaints with Toronto policeToday, a memo was circulated to CBC staff by Heather Conway, VP of English Services...detailing the CBC execs' version of events that led up to Ghomeshi's termination. According to the memo, Ghomeshi advised the CBC that the Toronto Star was "looking into allegations by an ex-girlfriend that he had engaged in non-consensual 'rough sex'" in the spring of this year.
"When directly confronted, Jian firmly denied there was any truth to those allegations," the memo says.
The memo goes on to say that in the summer, a Q employee got a letter from a reporter "asking about Jian's behaviour and suggesting that his behaviour may have 'crossed over' into the workplace," which sparked CBC to conduct an investigation.
"That investigation determined that there were no complaints of this nature about Jian's behaviour in the workplace," the memo says.
At that time, the CBC was "again assured by Jian" that the allegations were not true. "At that time, the Toronto Star did not move ahead with the story and, based on Jian's denial, we continued to believe Jian."
The memo says the situation changed last week when the CBC saw "for the first time, graphic evidence that Jian had caused physical injury to a woman."
"At no time prior to last week was CBC aware that Jian had engaged in any activities which resulted in the physical injury of another person."EDIT: The graphic evidence was shown to CBC by Ghomeshi in his own defence late last week. Videos of bondage and beating during sexual activities involving Ghomeshi were presented by the former CBC host to his bosses late last week, sources say, days before he was fired.
“CBC viewed scenarios where Jian Ghomeshi asks, for example, a woman to do something and she does it,” a source close to the matter told the Star. The source said Ghomeshi was trying to show “how bruising could happen and it could still be consensual.”
According to sources, Ghomeshi was afraid that the story of his alleged activities was about to break and he was trying to convince the CBC that everything he had done in his sex life was consensual.========================================= Perhaps the woman/women in the videos consented, which is why he showed them to CBC....but that doesn't mean the two who have come forward (and others) gave consent. Much more to follow, no doubt.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 1, 2014 2:36:40 GMT -5
Now ISIS is on the 7th page of news reporting......and a pervert woman beater leads the news.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 1, 2014 9:51:03 GMT -5
Now ISIS is on the 7th page of news reporting......and a pervert woman beater leads the news. Sex selling better than terrorism? .... doesn't surprise me in the least ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 1, 2014 11:37:29 GMT -5
He's a handsome, velvet-voiced, nationwide media celebrity/mogul….who's trying to paint himself as the victim. Classic fall-from-grace scenario.
The issue at hand, for me, is one of women no longer feeling/being stigmatized about coming forward in such cases. There are now three women who have filed complaints, and CBC says it will cooperate fully with the police investigation.
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Post by Skilly on Nov 1, 2014 13:42:57 GMT -5
I was always taught that when a woman says no, everything after that moment is assault.
So, while the women consented to being alone with him, consented to have drinks/drugs with him, consented to discussing kinky fetish and showed an interest (heck, some even consented to having sex with him) none of them consented to having their faces bashed in, or choked ... And let's give Jian the benefit of the doubt and assume some even wanted to engage in BDSM, I don't care if the safe word is some consulted hard to say word, when they say NO , you stop ... And I'll bet my house, most, if not all, said no at some point. That's assault.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 1, 2014 14:40:46 GMT -5
I agree, Skilly.
From what I've read, most (if not all) of these women were intrigued and flattered that such a "star" would show interest in them in the first place.
I doubt very much he told them that he intended to punch/slap, belt, choke, bite, smother, etc. (That distinction will be key in the testimonies. i.e. Did Mr. Ghomeshi detail what he was going to do to you before he did it? Or did he just say he liked it a bit rough?)
If it was the latter, that may be naivete on the part of the women….but Ghomeshi was being very deceptive.
In all cases reported, his behaviour was like Jekyll-Hyde…and it surprised/ambushed/shocked the women. Physical and emotional abuse galore.
I wouldn't be surprised some of the women claim PTSD as one of the reasons they didn't come forward…and I would side with them.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 3, 2014 10:45:51 GMT -5
I'm going to be the big bad meanie and do justice to my avatar.... The only thing interesting to me in this case is the social media mob swaying in the wind. Guilty? Innocent? Facebook based justice already decided. There are so many presumptions on so many notions of righteousness......so let this go to court and clean itself up. Have to agree, here ... social media has this guy already drawn and quartered even though there have been no charges laid thus far ... CBC, and other media outlets, are now interested in the story, not so much the truth (though it would be in CBC's interest to find out the truth, one way or the other) ... after all it's the long, drawn-out story based on a celebrity sex scandal (to be determined) that sells ... after the truth comes out and is dealt with, they will have made their bones ... as an aside, I see Ghomeshi's mug on just about every Canadian news outlet I got to ... I don't read anything but the headlines (mainly because it's unaviodably in my face) and I move on ... the country has a lot more important issues to deal with ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Nov 3, 2014 10:51:28 GMT -5
The only thing interesting to me in this case is the social media mob swaying in the wind. Guilty? Innocent? Facebook based justice already decided. Have to agree, here ... social media has this guy already drawn and quartered even though there have been no charges laid thus far interestingly, social media had the guy innocent and the big bad CBC ready to be drawn and quartered for his unfair firing (I still think they went about it wrong). it is a non-story of a public well-liked figure caught in scandal. move along folks . . . something else will soon attract your attention . . . squirrel? |
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 3, 2014 11:08:19 GMT -5
And if it had been our daughter, our sister, our niece who was attacked by this guy?
What then? Still a non-story?
We've got to get to a place in our society where women feel empowered and supported to take these guys to task confidently...instead of feeling afraid, embarrassed, intimidated, somehow deserving of such treatment, branded as liars with something to gain, and victimized all over again by the process.
Now that 3 women have filed complaints, perhaps we're getting there.
He's a high-profile guy….and it usually takes a high-profile case to start the ball rolling.
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Post by franko on Nov 3, 2014 11:22:16 GMT -5
I think you read me wrong. CH. the non-story is not the action -- that is a major story, and too bad it took so long to come to the fore. the non-story is the focus on "poor Jian" -- who has become "that rotten Jian".
ignore the public persona and focus on the deed and the damage done. he isn't the victim, sexual preferences/what-happens-in-the-bedroom-stays-in-the-bedroom notwithstanding.
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Post by CentreHice on Nov 3, 2014 12:04:04 GMT -5
Sorry for the misunderstanding, franko.
But I think the pulling back of the curtain/turning the tables/revelation is always a story. If there are/were any "poor Jian" stories, they've been coming mainly from those who believed his on-air/public persona represented his complete personality.
A celebrity always gets the focus…for good and evil. Comes with the territory.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 7, 2014 15:35:02 GMT -5
This is as much as I know about Ghomeshi ... Rex Murphy:
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