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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 11:58:58 GMT -5
Kane, Zach Bogosian, and unsigned goaltending prospect Jason Kasdorf to the Sabres on Wednesday in exchange for Tyler Myers, Drew Stafford, prospects Brendan Lemieux, Joel Armia and a first-round draft pick. According to TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger, the first-round pick will be the lowest of the three that Buffalo currently owns.
This is off TSN's front page
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 12:02:26 GMT -5
IMO, this is Kane for Myers, and Bogo and the goalie for the rest. On the surface, it would seem Buffalo paid a steep price.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 11, 2015 12:03:25 GMT -5
So, blockbuster deals can still be made in this day and age ... impressive ...
Cheers.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 11, 2015 12:06:01 GMT -5
wow. I don't know much about Buffalo's prospects but Kane and Bogosian are very good players.
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2015 12:14:42 GMT -5
wow. I don't know much about Buffalo's prospects but Kane and Bogosian are very good players. would you say that they are building blocks for the future? |
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Post by jkr on Feb 11, 2015 12:16:09 GMT -5
By lowest pick does Dreger mean the first rounder with the lowest value?
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 11, 2015 12:18:51 GMT -5
wow. I don't know much about Buffalo's prospects but Kane and Bogosian are very good players. would you say that they are building blocks for the future? Hard to say. I personally think Myers is over rated, but then, so is Kane. So I guess whoever is the player that breaks out will be the winner. |
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Post by HabSolute on Feb 11, 2015 12:21:29 GMT -5
By lowest pick does Dreger mean the first rounder with the lowest value? Yes, he said that Buffalo has three 1st round picks this year. It will be the last of the 3. There is no way Buffalo give their best 1st round this year since it will likely be McDavid |
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2015 12:52:21 GMT -5
would you say that they are building blocks for the future? Hard to say. I personally think Myers is over rated, but then, so is Kane. So I guess whoever is the player that breaks out will be the winner. my thought too, actually. if Kane grows up he'll be a decent complimentary piece, but I wouldn't build around him. Myers may be overrated, but he's much more valuable on an actual NHL team. as ever, time will tell. both teams have something to market now. and Buffalo has more of a chance to stay at the bottom. |
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Post by BadCompany on Feb 11, 2015 13:06:34 GMT -5
That looks like a pretty good deal for the Jets, if you ask me.
Myers replaces Bogosian, and while Stafford doesn't replace Kane, given that Kane was out for the year they get a warm body. And a slew of futures.
Wouldn't surprise me if the Jets now flip one of those first rounders for some forward help.
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 13:15:59 GMT -5
Remove Kane and Myers from the trade, as they're a wash for me. Is Bogosian and Kasdorf for Staffard, Lemieux Armia and a first fair value? Bogo is first pair in Winnipeg simply because they have a lack of real depth on D imo. On a deep team, he's a 3-4. Kasdorf is a soon to be 23 year old goalie yet to sign a deal with the Jets. He was an overage draft selection in Winnipeg's first draft after moving from Atlanta because he's a hometown boy. His talent analysis is decent, but his chances of making it are low given his age and contract status. Lemieux was a first pick in the second round, and he's having another consistent season in Barrie - if not flashy. Armia looks good on the farm. I'd say both prospects from the Sabres are a lot farther along, with greater chances of actually making the NHL. Stafford is inconsistent. He's far removed from his 30 goal season, and is a pending UFA. He's a throw in I suppose, auditioning for a job beyond this season with the Jets. Without the first, I think it's a lot. With the first, I think Buffalo spends too much in the deal. forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?6587 - Bogo www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jason_kasdorf/vs. www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/brendan-lemieux/www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/joel_armia/forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.php?4810 - Stafford Late first |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 13:20:40 GMT -5
I think its and over payment on Buffalo's end....Kane isn't a franchise player...at least yet. It's wasn't too bad until they threw in the 1st!
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2015 14:01:22 GMT -5
I don't think we'll know who 'won' this deal until a few years are past. I'd rather be on the Winnipeg end than the Buffalo end at this point, but who knows? Buffalo, starting next year, gets more immediate help. They replace Myers with Bogosian (though I suspect Myers is the better player) and Kane is a definite upgrade on Stafford. The Jets don't lose anything right now for their playoff drive as Myers gives them more than Bogosian (I don't think Bogosian has developed the way the Jets had hoped. Compare him to Pietrangelo who was drafted after Bogosian). Stafford gives them more than Kane, since Kane isn't playing, but will he re-sign in July?. So much rests on how well Armia and Lemieux turn out. Both seem to be progressing well and while neither is a game breaker, both may be solid NHL'rs. Then there's that 25-30th pick (the Blues' I believe) in a deep draft. Winnipeg's development group may have a big role to play in this trade.
Now if Kane develops as I think he can, Buffalo will look better. Two good young players who have proven they belong. An elephant in the room is still the character, though. It will be interesting to look back on this deal in 3 or 4 years time. I'm glad to see, though, that hockey trades can still be made. Maybe it will encourage other GM's not to be so cautious.
PS. Can't believe Chevaldayoff actually made a player deal.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 11, 2015 14:26:59 GMT -5
Buffalo does not hurt their chances for McDavid this season due to this trade. In fact, it should actually help their cause. Now if the Oil could ever win a few games (after tomorrow night of course).
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 14:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by frozone on Feb 11, 2015 14:34:44 GMT -5
I think Buffalo got the 2 best players in the deal, and since Kane won't play this season, they also improve their chances at getting McDavid, which is a nice big cherry on top.
Sure Myers and Stafford are proven NHLers, but there's an extremely small chance that Lemieux, Armia and the future 1st all find success in the NHL. If I had to bet, I would say just one out of the three futures will pan out, maybe two. That being said, Winnipeg has gotten better immediately from this trade. I'd call this win-win.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2015 16:28:10 GMT -5
Not my favourite judge of talent. He's very high on the prospects that Winnipeg picked up, and perhaps he's right. Winnipeg's drafting in recent years hasn't been bad, but as is mentioned, the odds of all three guys making it and more importantly, being a contributor to the team, aren't a sure thing. On the other hand.....but then on the other hand  . We could go round and round. Both teams got what they were looking for. Chevaldayoff did well considering he was under some pressure to move Kane. What this does point out, especially looking at Winnipeg's situation, is how a team can be turned around by hiring the right GM. Everything's looking much rosier for Winnipeg than it has in a long time. More Canadian teams in the playoffs. I love it! |
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 16:31:52 GMT -5
Buffalo not done ...
Send Enroth to Dallas for Lindback and a conditional third.
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2015 16:48:41 GMT -5
they do know that it is a lottery and that last place does not guarantee McDavid, no?
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Post by Polarice on Feb 11, 2015 16:56:00 GMT -5
I think they would be happy with either the 1st or 2nd pick.
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 11, 2015 17:01:29 GMT -5
Buffalo not done ... Send Enroth to Dallas for Lindback and a conditional third. That helps my fantasy team out. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 11, 2015 17:32:41 GMT -5
they do know that it is a lottery and that last place does not guarantee McDavid, no? No, but trading a roster player away for an injured player (if you think the Dmen are a wash in this deal) and swapping their top goalie for a backup sure helps them have the greatest odds in the lottery. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 11, 2015 17:36:41 GMT -5
Buffalo not done ... Send Enroth to Dallas for Lindback and a conditional third. I guess they were not getting anywhere trying to ink Enroth to a contract extension as he is a UFA after this season. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 11, 2015 17:45:12 GMT -5
And he perhaps would prove their undoing in their quest of McDavid or Eichel.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 11, 2015 17:52:02 GMT -5
Let's just say that without any upcoming guaranteed wins against the Habs, not sure when their next win could be.
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Post by franko on Feb 11, 2015 18:16:17 GMT -5
Buffalo not done ... Send Enroth to Dallas for Lindback and a conditional third. That helps my fantasy team out. could hurt mine. |
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Post by Disp on Feb 11, 2015 18:17:39 GMT -5
Enroth was pretty much their mvp. It's hockey so you never know for sure how it'll work out, but they may never win again this year.
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Post by GNick99 on Feb 11, 2015 18:26:53 GMT -5
I don't know some of the players involved but sounds like Jets got good value for Kane. Considering the circumstances with him.
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Post by CentreHice on Feb 11, 2015 18:37:35 GMT -5
Have to wonder if Bogosian is happy about this move….aside from the fact that it's to a team on Step 1 of a rebuild.
If Blake Wheeler voiced his teammates' sentiment on Kane the other day….then Bogosian is NOT a happy camper.
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Post by blny on Feb 11, 2015 19:29:05 GMT -5
Bogo is apparently from the western New York area. I've read comments where he's looking forward to it.
Continuing to think about the value of the deal ... Kane = Myers > Bogosian > Stafford > Armia = Lemieux > Kasdorf. The first probably falls somewhere between the two Buffalo prospects heading to Winnipeg. I can't see Bogo = Myers. Myers has significantly more offensive upside. Bogosian might be more physical, but guys Myers size who have showed the ability to play a 200ft game carry more value. The more and more I look at it, the more I see Winnipeg coming up gold with this one.
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. We could go round and round. Both teams got what they were looking for. Chevaldayoff did well considering he was under some pressure to move Kane. What this does point out, especially looking at Winnipeg's situation, is how a team can be turned around by hiring the right GM. Everything's looking much rosier for Winnipeg than it has in a long time. More Canadian teams in the playoffs. I love it! 