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Post by blny on Jun 5, 2015 17:52:00 GMT -5
I think we may already have the 'hounder' in DLR. Given the depth of the draft, I can appreciate Tank's desire to swing for the fence. If Berg can pick up a second, there should be other Bittners or Roy's available in the second. To that end, I'm trying to find write ups on sleeper picks. Here's one. thehockeywriters.com/2015-nhl-draft-war-room-the-sleeper-quiz/Right off the hop you've got what they consider to be the "Russian Lawson Crouse" in Alexander Dergachyov. Below is a highlight package. Really good size. Good speed, but a slightly choppy stride. STRONG on the puck. There's a puck battle with Nurse near the end. He holds up well. He plays PK, well. Makes good plays, and sees ice. In his draft year he had 39pts ind 45 games in the KHL. Backed that up with 18pts in 19 playoff games. McKenzie has him ranked 54. Compares him to DSP. Hard to say without a bigger sample size. If offense is your desire, Daniel Sprong from Charlottetown. Ranked 33rd on McKenzie's list. Projects to be a Plekanec type of player, with perhaps more top end talent. I've seen him play in Halifax. It doesn't take long to notice him on the ice. He stands out. His coach is former Hab punching bag Gordie Dwyer. |
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Post by blny on Jun 5, 2015 18:06:34 GMT -5
www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-prospects-2/nhl-draft-2015-potential-steals-and-sleepers/2/From that page on is 5 sleepers. First up is Roslovic, 34 on McKenzie's list. RW/C rhs. Seems to shoot well. Quick release. I'm not a huge fan of the USHL system, and he's a Miami of Ohio commit. "His game can be described as complementary but he carries a lot of strong play on his own. Plays a straight ahead, competitive game and he reads the game and reads off his line mates very well and then makes the play that gets the most out of the situation. Can play all situations and he doesn’t allow himself to be denied." Next page of that link is fellow USHLer Jeremy Bracco. 5'9, but a big offensive talent. Compares to Gaudreau. He's ranked #53 on McKenzie's list. Another Gaudreau type on the list in Moncton's Conor Garland. 5'8. QMJHL MVP. He's an offensive weapon. He's an over-ager. Last on the list is Remparts over-ager Vladimir Tkachev. Went undrafted last year, was invited to Oilers camp, they signed him to an ELC, but the league voided it because he hadn't played the draft year in North America. He was very noticeable at the Memorial Cup. Rail thin. He's listed at 144lbs. Not a typo. He's clearly going to have to learn about carbs. He's dynamic though.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 5, 2015 19:03:21 GMT -5
I thought Gauthier had a poor Memorial Cup tournament. He didn't impress me. He didn't even win his share of face-offs, something that is supposed to be a strength of his. He's a big guy and a decent skater, and he is defensively responsible. That might be enough to make the Leafs.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 6, 2015 11:36:58 GMT -5
www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-prospects-2/nhl-draft-2015-potential-steals-and-sleepers/2/From that page on is 5 sleepers. First up is Roslovic, 34 on McKenzie's list. RW/C rhs. Seems to shoot well. Quick release. I'm not a huge fan of the USHL system, and he's a Miami of Ohio commit. "His game can be described as complementary but he carries a lot of strong play on his own. Plays a straight ahead, competitive game and he reads the game and reads off his line mates very well and then makes the play that gets the most out of the situation. Can play all situations and he doesn’t allow himself to be denied." Next page of that link is fellow USHLer Jeremy Bracco. 5'9, but a big offensive talent. Compares to Gaudreau. He's ranked #53 on McKenzie's list. Another Gaudreau type on the list in Moncton's Conor Garland. 5'8. QMJHL MVP. He's an offensive weapon. He's an over-ager. Last on the list is Remparts over-ager Vladimir Tkachev. Went undrafted last year, was invited to Oilers camp, they signed him to an ELC, but the league voided it because he hadn't played the draft year in North America. He was very noticeable at the Memorial Cup. Rail thin. He's listed at 144lbs. Not a typo. He's clearly going to have to learn about carbs. He's dynamic though. Roslovic is a valid option at 26, but I think there might be better options if they don't trade down to get two seconds. Bracco is small, but he is also not quick. That is why he is lower ranked. I hope Garland is around when we pick in the third. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2015 12:47:38 GMT -5
I'm going to be silly and suggest, assuming we still have a #1 pick at that time, Oliver Kylington, a Swedish defenseman. That's because I'm a masochist and love it when we can't score. Ok, I'm not a masochist, so why pick on Kylington?
1) He's Swedish. Have you looked at the number of really, really good Swedish defensemen in the league now and those coming up? I don't know what's in those meatballs, but it's producing hellishly good defensemen.
2) He's a great skater. That's what today's dmen have to be.
3) He's dropped from consensus top 10 before the season to the range of our choice (mid twenties). Yes, that could be a warning sign, or he could be another Brandon Saad, who had the same experience.
4) I'm trying to yank Skilly's chains.
5) Offense is helped by getting the puck out of our zone efficiently. This guy can do it.
6) Did I say he's Swedish?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 6, 2015 15:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 6, 2015 15:46:30 GMT -5
If Berg found a way to move up that far it would be quite the coup.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 6, 2015 18:04:28 GMT -5
Look out in what way? As in opportunity, or ducking? |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2015 10:25:43 GMT -5
I'm going to be silly and suggest, assuming we still have a #1 pick at that time, Oliver Kylington, a Swedish defenseman. That's because I'm a masochist and love it when we can't score. Ok, I'm not a masochist, so why pick on Kylington? 1) He's Swedish. Have you looked at the number of really, really good Swedish defensemen in the league now and those coming up? I don't know what's in those meatballs, but it's producing hellishly good defensemen. 2) He's a great skater. That's what today's dmen have to be. 3) He's dropped from consensus top 10 before the season to the range of our choice (mid twenties). Yes, that could be a warning sign, or he could be another Brandon Saad, who had the same experience. 4) I'm trying to yank Skilly's chains. 5) Offense is helped by getting the puck out of our zone efficiently. This guy can do it. 6) Did I say he's Swedish? From a consensus good first rounder to now a likely second rounder, his stock is definitely taking a hit big time. Great skater, but there are other concerns for sure and other guys that developed better over the season. If we do go D with that pick, there are likely a few others ahead on the team's list right now. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 7, 2015 10:27:37 GMT -5
If Berg found a way to move up that far it would be quite the coup. For sure, that would be moving up to a top six spot at least. Both stud D men in a good, deep draft. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 7, 2015 10:29:36 GMT -5
Look out in what way? As in opportunity, or ducking? He talks about them around the 1:25 mark ... describes them as the top-two d-men in the draft ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 7, 2015 17:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jun 7, 2015 18:00:41 GMT -5
I'm going to be silly and suggest, assuming we still have a #1 pick at that time, Oliver Kylington, a Swedish defenseman. That's because I'm a masochist and love it when we can't score. Ok, I'm not a masochist, so why pick on Kylington? 1) He's Swedish. Have you looked at the number of really, really good Swedish defensemen in the league now and those coming up? I don't know what's in those meatballs, but it's producing hellishly good defensemen. 2) He's a great skater. That's what today's dmen have to be. 3) He's dropped from consensus top 10 before the season to the range of our choice (mid twenties). Yes, that could be a warning sign, or he could be another Brandon Saad, who had the same experience. 4) I'm trying to yank Skilly's chains. 5) Offense is helped by getting the puck out of our zone efficiently. This guy can do it. 6) Did I say he's Swedish? If he was American and in the NCAA they'd draft him, and trade him or he'd be a bust .... So no chance of going Sverge |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 7, 2015 18:59:58 GMT -5
If he was American and in the NCAA they'd draft him, and trade him or he'd be a bust .... So no chance of going Sverge That sounds like a description of Jack Eichel, so perhaps the occasional American born, NCAA player might be ok. Come to think about it, McDonagh also fits that description. Yeah, they blew it with Fischer. That wasn't a great draft year, though. Boston made out really well, but most teams had a poor draft. It probably has some of the fewest success numbers of any draft year. Having said that, Giroux, Lucic, and yes, even Jeff Petry were drafted after we picked Fischer |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 7, 2015 22:21:17 GMT -5
Have you looked at the number of really, really good Swedish defensemen in the league now and those coming up? I don't know what's in those meatballs, but it's producing hellishly good defensemen. I consider Magnus Nygren one of them ... I know he had a bad time of it in Hamilton, but I was hoping to see him in Montreal one day ... not sure that will happen now ... maybe Marc Bergevin can sell "winner of the Borje Salming Trophy" angle and include him in a trade ... would like to understand the whole story with this kid ... still wouldn't mind seeing him in Montreal one day ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 8, 2015 6:22:17 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 8, 2015 6:33:10 GMT -5
Seen a couple of mock drafts with us selecting Jeremy Roy. Another selecting Gurnayov. The Russian kid looks like a good fit. Size and skill. Roy doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't fill a pressing need.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 8, 2015 8:49:52 GMT -5
Seen a couple of mock drafts with us selecting Jeremy Roy. Another selecting Gurnayov. The Russian kid looks like a good fit. Size and skill. Roy doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't fill a pressing need. I would be thrilled if they took Guranyov... You can teach defense, you can't teach what this kid has. |
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Post by blny on Jun 8, 2015 9:37:14 GMT -5
He's got quick hands.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 8, 2015 22:25:14 GMT -5
Seen a couple of mock drafts with us selecting Jeremy Roy. Another selecting Gurnayov. The Russian kid looks like a good fit. Size and skill. Roy doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It doesn't fill a pressing need. Just finishing my mock. Both are within range (as is Debrusk). More to come. Am also finishing possible picks with our few picks (the late rounds are even more WAG's than the early rounds...just picking names lol). |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 8, 2015 22:27:31 GMT -5
If we had a second round pick, he would be a possibility. The knock is whether he can translate offense at the NHL level. |
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2015 5:43:01 GMT -5
If we had a second round pick, he would be a possibility. The knock is whether he can translate offense at the NHL level. Yes. Love his work ethic though. He doesn't play a "Russian game". |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2015 12:47:44 GMT -5
Note: The mock draft is essentially my list of BPA for each team, with a few tweaks here and there where I see a player that just does not seem likely for a particular team (fully subjective reasoning applied!). The 29th and 30th picks will still be determined based on who wins, but I went with the team currently leading the series picking last (or at least the team they traded that pick to as is the case with both these picks).
1.EDM – Connor McDavid, C Erie (OHL): Even Lowe or MacT would not have screwed this up.
2.BUF – Jack Eichel, C Boston U (NCAA): Buffalo adds a serious piece to its rebuild.
3.ARI – Dylan Strome, C Erie (OHL): 129 points and a big body. What is not to like?
4.TOR – Mitch Marner, RW London (OHL): Ontario kid (Babcock bla, bla, bla), London connection (Mark Hunter), and the kid is an offensive dynamo. Why the heck not?
5.CAR – Noah Hanifin, D Boston C (NCAA): Best defender in the draft. Take him and run.
6.NJ – Ivan Provorov, D Brandon (WHL): Next best defender in the draft. Forget the Russian factor, this kid is good and played on a very good Brandon team.
7.PHI – Lawson Crouse, LW Kingston (OHL): Some wonder about what his offense will look like in the NHL, but this is a prototypical Philly forward pick.
8.CBJ – Pavel Zacha, C Sarnia (OHL): A big kid, who can skate well and who drives the net. Already playing a very North American game.
9.SJ – Zach Werenski, D Michigan (NCAA): A big, solid all-round defenseman who is learning the game under legend Red Berenson. This draft is not just about forwards, as some of these Dmen are pretty good too.
10.COL – Mathew Barzal, C Seattle (WHL): A quick and talented forward, who creates good scoring chances.
11.FLO – Mikko Rantanen, RW TPS (SM Liiga): A big, two way forward who can likely slot into any forward role on your team.
12.DAL – Kyle Connor, LW/C Youngstown (USHL): A really good skater with solid offensive skills and hockey IQ.
13.LA – Timo Meier, RW Halifax (QMJHL): Top Swiss prospect in the draft who put up big numbers in Halifax.
14.BOS – Nick Merkley, C/RW Kelowna (WHL): The Memorial Cup helped others see what scouts had been noticing all year. He finds ways to generate offense.
15.CAL – Evgeni Svechnikov, RW, Cape Breton (QMJHL): Another talented Russian who may drop, but he did come over and play in the Q and his talent is too good to pass.
16.EDM (PIT) – Jakub Zboril, D Saint John (QMJHL): Might as well add to the defensive depth after getting the best forward in the draft. Talented Czech defender who moves the puck well and can be hard to play against.
17.WPG – Colin White, C USNDP (USHL): Character forward type of player with decent skill.
18.OTT – Travis Konecny Ottawa (OHL): Plays for the local 67's, but he has also put up nice numbers in Ottawa and is a good pick right here. He is undersized, but you cannot teach offensive talent.
19.DET – Joel Eriksson Ek, C Farjestad (SHL): Big two way centre. Oh yeah, and he is Swedish!
20.MIN – Brock Boeser, RW Waterloo (USHL): Not afraid to pick American (read Minnesota born) prospects out of the USHL, and Boeser is a talented one who can play a skilled and a power game.
21.BUF (NYI) – Thomas Chabot, D Saint John (QMJHL): The first of two Quebec born defenders that the Habs will watch get picked before they pick. Solid two way guy that plays a very good overall game.
22.WSH – Paul Bittner, LW Portland (WHL): Big power forward from Minnesota that played on very talented Portland team. Can put up points, but some scouts expected a bit more offense given his linemates.
23.VAN – Jeremy Roy, D Sherbrooke (QMJHL): I am sure he is high on the Habs’ draft list, so this one will hurt a bit for the Berg and TT. A little undersized, but a solid offensive instinct and good hockey IQ make him a natural around this spot in the draft.
24.TOR (NSH) – Jansen Harkins, C Prince George (WHL): A smart, tenacious and determined player. Seems like a kid that fits the Babcock style just fine, even if he is from out West and not a good old Ontario kid.
25.WPG (STL) – Ilya Samsonov, G Magnitorgorsk (MHL): He is Russian, plays in Russia and is a goalie. Three strikes for a guy getting picked in the first round; but, he is the best goalie in the draft. Someone will go for it.
26.MTL – Denis Guryanov, RW Togliatti2 (MHL): He is Russian and plays in Russia, but his talent is too good to pass on. The Habs have a good reputation with Russian young players now so this risk is worth it.
27.ANA – Jake Debrusk, LW, Swift Current (WHL): The straw that stirs the Swift Current offense. Hard worker who makes things happen.
28.TB (NYR) – Daniel Sprong, RW Charlottetown (QMJHL): The Dutch born youngster who moved to Canada to give him a chance to reach the NHL. A very skilled player who has not yet tapped into the power of using his teammates enough yet.
29.ARI (CHI) – Jacob Larsson, D Frolunda (Swe J20): They got their forward earlier on in the draft and can now add a smart, poised defenseman from Sweden to their ranks.
30.PHI (TB) – Oliver Kylington, D Farjestad (SHL) : Ek’s teammate in Farjestad who is known for his great skating ability. Dropped in rankings from the mid-term to the finals, but again the upside is still untapped and is worth a risk with Philly’s second first round pick.
OOPS: Forgot a few honorable mentions (the later first round picks and a lot of the projected second round guys are pretty close, it all will depend on a team's draft list):
Jack Roslovic, C/RW USNDP (USHL)
Noah Juulsen, D Everett (WHL)
Brandon Carlo, D Tri-City (WHL)
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Post by blny on Jun 9, 2015 13:26:46 GMT -5
I'm really on board with the Guryanov pick. Size and skill. It's unfortunate about the contract, but there appears to be a pending transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL. Either way, I think he'd fit in well.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2015 13:57:32 GMT -5
The Habs first pick at the 26th spot is a tough one to predict, as there are so many players that could move around in the last third of the first round or well into the middle of the second round. That is the beauty of a deep draft, where there is not a big drop off until later in the draft. So much will depend on who drops, and what teams like which guys left the best (and this should vary a lot from team to team). The Habs should have some choices of different types of players with their first pick. There is no clear cut favourite at this point, but here are a few that "should" be around when they pick and who have some (different) attributes that may make them attractive to the Berg and TT.
Denis Guryanov, RW Togliatti2 (NHL): One of the most dynamic and skilled players in the draft. I am sure the Habs have done their homework, and they will have a sense of his willingness to eventually come over to NA. The Habs have also a good bit of history with Russian players on their lineup and in the pipeline. When you get a possible first line player this late in the first, you have to serious think about it.
Jake Debrusk, LW Swift Current (WHL): I managed to see a few Broncos games live this year (watching Lernout) and caught a few more on TV. Debrusk seems to generate a lot of the Broncos chances through his combination of hard work and skill. Does not seem to take too many shifts off, and likely was watched a lot by Habs' scouts who were tracking Lernout during the season. Has the character and determination that may offset his probable lower upside and slightly smaller size than other prospects.
Daniel Sprong, RW, Charlottetown (QMJHL): I add him here because of his skill and potential upside. The big knock is that he tends to do a lot himself, and does not use his teammates nearly enough. I am not sure if this is because he is a selfish player, or if he is just uber talented and wants the puck and to make a difference for his team while the puck is on his stick. Either way, those players can either not change and fall by the wayside, or adapt and become very useful offensive contributors in the NHL. I leave that assessment in the hands of the scouts who spend a lot of time watching and talking to coaches, parents, teachers, etc. He has likely been heavily scouted by the Habs due to being in the Q.
Anthony Beauvillier, C/LW Shawinigan (QMJHL): He is not in any top 30 lists that I have seen and is a consensus second round player. So why would I list him as a possibility with our 26th spot? He is a very dynamic and talented player who played for Canada at the U18s. And then there is the local home grown factor, that could be the subtle difference between him and another prospect. He is also seen as a very versatile forward that can play different roles for your team.
Noah Juulsen, D Everett (WHL): Another case of a player who likely was heavily scouted by the Habs while keeping tabs on Scherbak. Juulsen in not know at being the top of his class at any one thing, but is seen a very complete defenseman who projects to have a good pro upside. I see him as sniffing around the end of the first and start of the second round, so if the Habs are thinking solid defender, he may be on their radar screen.
Oliver Kylington, D Farjesdat (SHL): He has dropped since early in the year, and at the mid-term CSS rankings. But what has not changed is his skating abilities, which are seen as one of the best in this draft. He suffers from confidence and consistency issues, but that is not entirely surprising for a teenager already playing in the Swedish top league against men. He will likely need to thicken out to be able to nicely adapt from the Swedish game to the NA game. That potential upside will be hard to outright ignore if he is still available, it is just a matter of is there a better overall player that the Habs like at this spot.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 9, 2015 22:32:33 GMT -5
Oliver Kylington, D Farjesdat (SHL): He suffers from confidence and consistency issues a real MT type of guy. IF we picked him, I would expect a new head coach would have the reigns by the time a Swedish teenager drafted this summer was ready to play in the NHL. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 9, 2015 23:42:12 GMT -5
Thanks NWT. That was a good example of what might happen and a bit of info on the guys available. Muchos gracias.
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Post by blny on Jun 10, 2015 5:37:40 GMT -5
I did see one mock draft with the Habs picking Beauvillier, but none of the talking heads have him up that high. IMO, he's the prototypical second rounder. He had a ppg average in the first round loss to Halifax, which was an upset. One of his coaches, Steve Larouche, was a Habs 2nd round pick in 89 (teammate of Yanic Perreault as well). While there is a connection, I think there's more high end talent available.
I think Kylington's interviews will determine where he goes. If he comes across as someone confident and has learned from a tough year he'll move back up a little. People will be looking for the next Karlsson.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 10, 2015 8:05:41 GMT -5
Good job, as always NWT. Question; do you think Roy could project as a Letang-type player?
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2015 22:06:27 GMT -5
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