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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2015 12:16:20 GMT -5
Tim bozon is up to 207 lbs... I hope this guy makes it.. He was down to 156lbs when he got sick He's one of the guys I'm interested in following ... Mark MacMillan and Darren Dietz are two others ... Michael McNiven has my interest also ... imagine being invited to the Habs camp at 17 ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2015 12:23:36 GMT -5
Are these guys eating lead or something? Bozon probably played at 185 or so in the Dub, so he's up over 20 lbs and Scherbak's up over 20 lbs. Sorry, I can't help but be concerned about weight games of 10% between one season and the next. It's more understandable if the player grows an inch, but their heights haven't changed. I'm of the opinion that far too many pro athletes take, ahem, 'vitamins', and weight gains of this type concern me. I suspect it's more the norm and if you don't take, cough, 'vitamins', you can't compete. The testing the NHL does is cosmetic IMO. No one really wants to catch someone. It's just not gentlemanly, old chap.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 13:26:26 GMT -5
Are these guys eating lead or something? Bozon probably played at 185 or so in the Dub, so he's up over 20 lbs and Scherbak's up over 20 lbs. Sorry, I can't help but be concerned about weight games of 10% between one season and the next. It's more understandable if the player grows an inch, but their heights haven't changed. I'm of the opinion that far too many pro athletes take, ahem, 'vitamins', and weight gains of this type concern me. I suspect it's more the norm and if you don't take, cough, 'vitamins', you can't compete. The testing the NHL does is cosmetic IMO. No one really wants to catch someone. It's just not gentlemanly, old chap. Kootenay's website had Bozon listed at 199 for last season. I have seen a number of his tweets this off season, and most of his pics are of him at workouts or with buddies going to the gym. I think he put a lot of effort into regaining weight and strength as part of his recovery from his serious illness, and the Habs wanted him to regain strength and stamina. As for Scherbak, he was at 195 on the Silvertips site. Kids do gain mass as they finish up their teens as they often thicken out, especially young athletes who are also spending time at the gym. I am going on the optimistic side of a combination of good genetics and a commitment to off ice training. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 15:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2015 15:29:47 GMT -5
Are these guys eating lead or something? Bozon probably played at 185 or so in the Dub, so he's up over 20 lbs and Scherbak's up over 20 lbs. Sorry, I can't help but be concerned about weight games of 10% between one season and the next. It's more understandable if the player grows an inch, but their heights haven't changed. I'm of the opinion that far too many pro athletes take, ahem, 'vitamins', and weight gains of this type concern me. I suspect it's more the norm and if you don't take, cough, 'vitamins', you can't compete. The testing the NHL does is cosmetic IMO. No one really wants to catch someone. It's just not gentlemanly, old chap. Kootenay's website had Bozon listed at 199 for last season. I have seen a number of his tweets this off season, and most of his pics are of him at workouts or with buddies going to the gym. I think he put a lot of effort into regaining weight and strength as part of his recovery from his serious illness, and the Habs wanted him to regain strength and stamina. As for Scherbak, he was at 195 on the Silvertips site. Kids do gain mass as they finish up their teens as they often thicken out, especially young athletes who are also spending time at the gym. I am going on the optimistic side of a combination of good genetics and a commitment to off ice training. That makes me feel better. That's a more normal increase, which can easily be attributable to weight training and diet. Whew. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 6, 2015 15:49:16 GMT -5
Are these guys eating lead or something? Bozon probably played at 185 or so in the Dub, so he's up over 20 lbs and Scherbak's up over 20 lbs. Sorry, I can't help but be concerned about weight games of 10% between one season and the next. It's more understandable if the player grows an inch, but their heights haven't changed. I'm of the opinion that far too many pro athletes take, ahem, 'vitamins', and weight gains of this type concern me. I suspect it's more the norm and if you don't take, cough, 'vitamins', you can't compete. The testing the NHL does is cosmetic IMO. No one really wants to catch someone. It's just not gentlemanly, old chap. Kootenay's website had Bozon listed at 199 for last season. I have seen a number of his tweets this off season, and most of his pics are of him at workouts or with buddies going to the gym. I think he put a lot of effort into regaining weight and strength as part of his recovery from his serious illness, and the Habs wanted him to regain strength and stamina. As for Scherbak, he was at 195 on the Silvertips site. Kids do gain mass as they finish up their teens as they often thicken out, especially young athletes who are also spending time at the gym. I am going on the optimistic side of a combination of good genetics and a commitment to off ice training. I would imagine he was well under 199lbs but I'm not sure how fast you can gain weight after a sickness..maybe it's real fast? I guess it's possible? @magodin: À la suite sa maladie, Tim Bozon avait chuté à 156 livres. Il pèse 207 livres aujourd'hui. #Habs |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 15:56:34 GMT -5
Kootenay's website had Bozon listed at 199 for last season. I have seen a number of his tweets this off season, and most of his pics are of him at workouts or with buddies going to the gym. I think he put a lot of effort into regaining weight and strength as part of his recovery from his serious illness, and the Habs wanted him to regain strength and stamina. As for Scherbak, he was at 195 on the Silvertips site. Kids do gain mass as they finish up their teens as they often thicken out, especially young athletes who are also spending time at the gym. I am going on the optimistic side of a combination of good genetics and a commitment to off ice training. I would imagine he was well under 199lbs but I'm not sure how fast you can gain weight after a sickness..maybe it's real fast? I guess it's possible? @magodin: À la suite sa maladie, Tim Bozon avait chuté à 156 livres. Il pèse 207 livres aujourd'hui. #Habs I saw some before and after shots that he posted on when he was sick (two seasons ago) and when he reported for camp last fall. He had added noticeable bulk, although he still has a very lanky frame. The 199 pounds that I referenced was his playing weight for this last season just finished. I know that teams often pads height and weight stats online, but he definitely recovered from his coma and long hospital stay with some noticeable bulk heading into the start of last season. |
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 6, 2015 16:04:14 GMT -5
With McCarron and Scherbak coming in behind I think this must be his year to stick... That goes for Andrighetto and Carr.........or at least a lot of pressure to stick. Might be why there is a spot left open on the big squad Speaking of Carr hear is interesting read on a player you don't hear much about @sportsnet: Why Daniel Carr is a #Canadiens prospect to watch. t.co/HcIACbnS5l @ericengels t.co/AN2lg461c5 |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 16:12:22 GMT -5
With McCarron and Scherbak coming in behind I think this must be his year to stick... That goes for Andrighetto and Carr.........or at least a lot of pressure to stick. Might be why there is a spot left open on the big squad Speaking of Carr hear is interesting read on a player you don't hear much about @sportsnet: Why Daniel Carr is a #Canadiens prospect to watch. t.co/HcIACbnS5l @ericengels t.co/AN2lg461c5 I have a soft spot for Carr as a prospect as I had a chance to see him live a few times when he was playing AJHL (Junior A) hockey with St. Albert. He was always noticeable and was the team's top player almost every game. I thought it was pretty cool when he was invited to development/rookie camp last season, and doubly so when he was signed as a free agent. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 6, 2015 16:42:24 GMT -5
Any of you guys been following Daniel Carr ... I think he's mentioned in another thread ...
Cheers.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 6, 2015 17:00:53 GMT -5
Any of you guys been following Daniel Carr ... I think he's mentioned in another thread ... Cheers. Good read!!! He was one of only a few guys in Hamilton that looked dangerous.... Love to hear about his work ethic and character big part of his profile... Dark horse to grab a RW spot as early as this season IMO |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 17:08:34 GMT -5
He led Hamilton in goals last season. Pretty good for a rookie on what was a very offensively anemic team.
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Post by HFTO on Jul 6, 2015 19:27:24 GMT -5
Lets hope these are the kind of players the good teams seem to find that come out of no where to help get them over the hump especially in the cap era.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 6, 2015 20:17:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 0:20:44 GMT -5
With McCarron and Scherbak coming in behind I think this must be his year to stick... That goes for Andrighetto and Carr.........or at least a lot of pressure to stick. Might be why there is a spot left open on the big squad Speaking of Carr hear is interesting read on a player you don't hear much about @sportsnet: Why Daniel Carr is a #Canadiens prospect to watch. t.co/HcIACbnS5l @ericengels t.co/AN2lg461c5 I rarely am impressed by highlight packages, but this Carr kid has the hands that most NHLers wish they had. He's also developed a pretty sweet backhand, I'm guessing 1/3-1/4 of his goals were on the backhand, 1/3 were in the paint and the rest were pure snipes top shelf. If you can only watch one goal on the clip go to 1:50, but really you should watch em all. He may be Gally 2.0  |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 8:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 9:12:11 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 12:39:01 GMT -5
The good news is the prospects get to participate in their first scrimmage today.
The bad news is five prospects are being kept off the ice for precautionary reasons due to injuries: Scherbak, Andrighetto, Juulsen, MacMillan and Thrower.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 15:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 17:11:34 GMT -5
Day two wraps up with a two period scrimmage. As a precautionary note, management kept the prospects who had late season injuries out of the scrimmage (and will do so for tomorrow and Thursday's scrimmages too). canadiens.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=40544I expect there will be some more detailed player by player reports from around the web, and I will post what I can find and see. Some quick comments from Grant McCagg. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 7, 2015 18:40:54 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 7, 2015 19:21:20 GMT -5
Good stuff NWT.
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Post by Lord Bebop on Jul 8, 2015 8:14:38 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2015 9:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2015 9:42:24 GMT -5
Galchenyuksnipes from HF was at the scrimmage yesterday and had this to say about certain individual players.
Vedejmo, he was one of the few who actually stood out without really playing with any of the top guys regularly, I will add this to my post about him yesterday, IQ is really good, I'd say he was more of a perimeter player but he connected with teamates regularly. Skill level is definitely higher than most, you could tell right from the warmup that his game is all skill, for those of you who thought he was Eller 2.0 he's not, wont ever dominate possession because of his size but has more flashy moves to play with. On one particular play he made a neutral zone wide backhand pass right on the tape, it showed he had above average vision as he didnt even give anyone a hint that he would go there and it took a very high level of skill to make that pass. On another play he beat a defender creating a 2 on 1 with Miceli and fed the ladder with a nice backhand feed leaving him with an empty net, Miceli missed, it wouldve been LV's 3rd point of the game. There were also at least 2 times where he caught defenders flat footed and went between their sticks or skates with some silky moves. Now I know this is a lot of praise but honestly he still looks very weak to me, would have all the trouble in the world surviving a pro game at this point and would very easily get pinned down low against pro Dmen, I dont think he would have much success at the AHL level at this point, I think the CHL would be the perfect league for him so he could already start getting used to less time and space and a higher paced game.
Lernout was probably my favorite player today, he bullied people around, completely overpowered Bozon on one occasion in the middle of the Dzone. I'll say this, at this level, when this guy gets his hands on you you are done moving around, he will pin you to the boards and make you his ***** lol, he's awesome, classic mean Dmen. I was on the Reds side during warmup and was just randomly looking at a couple guys shots going into the net until his absolute bomb of a wrister took my attention, his shot is ridiculously hard and he really makes it look easy in his release. During the game, I liked his poise with the puck especially in the O zone, when he had the puck at the blue line he really carried it around the right way, skated latteraly with his head up identifying shooting lanes, when they were none, he went with the classic Lidstrom bank off the wall which was impressive given the game was at really high speed, he was probably the only dmen there who walked the blue line like that, most others just rushed plays but wouldnt really identify what was in front of them.
Lehkonen - MacCarron - Gregoire were the top line for the red team and all had a good game.
Gregoire was my favorite making some very nice feeds including a perfect setup to a flying Lehkonen who had nothing to do but to tap it in. Like I've said before in the AHL thread I have no doubt Gregoire will have his share of success with the Icecaps right off the bat this year, he plays with motor, is strong and competes in every area of the ice. He displayed better vision than what I expected of him.
McCarron had a decent game and looked the most NHL ready of anyone on the ice today. He did not dominate neither did he drive his line the way I expected him to but he still did all the little things that will be looked at by management, very responsible with the puck, didnt turn it over, broke up a couple of plays where the Whites were gaining momentum in the Ozone. He has good vision and can find his teamates through traffic, needs to get his shot off quicker as he wasted at least 2 prime opportunities including the 2 on 1 fumble that was included in the RDS highlight. I think he hit the post (I was at the other extremity of the ice) on a nice zone entry where he was able to walk in on his own and get a good shot off. I think he could fit right in our bottom 6 and do a decent job but Im not convinced it's what's best for his development long term. From today alone he looked like more of a good complimentary player on a 3rd line than a top 6 guy or someone who can drive a line on his own.
Lehkonen it was only my 2nd time seeing him live after the WJC but I gotta say I realy liked what I saw in him, thought his shot was noticeably good right from the warmup, he really lets it rip without much of a windup. Great skater and hard worker with smarts to go with it. I liked his game overall he looked comfortable and made it look relatively easy out there but I would not say he was dominant. I think he might have an NHL future but still a longshot in my books, good motot, he's got a little bit of Gallagher in him but is definitely a better shooter and probably skater too, I think his game is definitely more fitted for the NHL than a Reway for example.
Hudon was himself, very smart puck handler, you guys know him, scored on a bomb of a slapshot, I dont know if he's going to make it to the NHL because he's small and doesnt have an explosive stride but he's really a great player, kind of like Pleky he's just so responsible and smooth all over the ice, I really like him.
Carr wasnt standing out the way I wouldve liked him to but he still got on the scoresheet with an absolute beauty of a pass to Eischensmid who had a completely empty net.
Audette was one of the best in the O zone but he's a timbit and I really dont see him as a serious pro prospect.
Eischensmid was alright but dont let his 2 goals confuse you, one of them was all on Carr, even Laraque wouldve buried it. His 2nd one was a penalty shot, didnt notice him that much to be honest.
The two invitees who stood out to me were Hunt and Johnson. I have no idea who Johnson is, where he played or how old he is but he is an extremely smooth skater, looked a lot like Beaulieu with the puck on a couple plays, whats his full name so I can check his stats?
Fournier and Webster were noticeably bad.
Dissapointed in Bennett, he's what? 6 years older than some and is alright but I'd like to see him standout in some way even if I know his game isnt flash at all.
Micelli had a good game, one of the few who created a couple opportunities on his own, cant say Im a believer though.
Bozon was a no show, as nice as his story is I've never really been a believer but he really didnt do anything to get noticed today, I dont think he'll have success in the AHL, Gregoire is twice the prospect he is IMHO.
Nobody dominated the way Sekac did last year, I remember he was on a whole other level from everybody else and I would not say anybody was that good today unfortunately.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 8, 2015 10:12:43 GMT -5
Nice find, NWTHF ... like what I read on Brett Lernout ...
Cheers.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2015 10:36:49 GMT -5
Nice find, NWTHF ... like what I read on Brett Lernout ... Cheers. Lernout is a pretty interesting case. He is still just 19 and does not turn 20 until September, so he is eligible to play in the AHL next year a year earlier than say a prospect with a January or later birthday. Given his nice progression this past year, this makes sense. Marty Lapointe was talking about him with the media yesterday and talked about how he ended up getting played tons in Speedy Creek last year and was used 5-on-5, on the PP and on the PK. Lapointe talked about his pending transition to pro hockey and how his ice time and responsibilities will be much more modest for a young defender. I had a chance to see him live a few times last year and also on TV other times, and he is a prospect that is moving nicely along the development path. He still is a bit lanky on his frame, but he will thicken out and that will only add to his ability to be a strong presence in the back end against men rather than against junior aged players. And yes, he has a very strong and accurate shot from the point. His mobility is not bad for a big guy, and puck retrieval and first pass will be other keys to his success at the next level. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2015 10:57:24 GMT -5
Thanks NWT. Great background stuff. It's very difficult to get a read on guys from practice routines and from a scrimmage. The pace, the amount of space and time, just isn't the same as a real game situation, so guys who can look good in scrimmage may not have the same success in true game situations. You can identify some skills, as was shown above, so scrimmages are still useful. One just has to temper their judgment until the real thing starts. McCarron didn't impress much, yet is definitely one of our better prospects. Lehkonen, also, was hampered by injury and mono last year, but played in one of the better leagues in the world, yet didn't look impressive in scrimmage. Too bad Reway's not there. I think he's one of our sneakier prospects.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2015 12:47:09 GMT -5
Thanks NWT. Great background stuff. It's very difficult to get a read on guys from practice routines and from a scrimmage. The pace, the amount of space and time, just isn't the same as a real game situation, so guys who can look good in scrimmage may not have the same success in true game situations. You can identify some skills, as was shown above, so scrimmages are still useful. One just has to temper their judgment until the real thing starts. McCarron didn't impress much, yet is definitely one of our better prospects. Lehkonen, also, was hampered by injury and mono last year, but played in one of the better leagues in the world, yet didn't look impressive in scrimmage. Too bad Reway's not there. I think he's one of our sneakier prospects. Yes, drills are scrimmages at camp are just that and we always need to temper expectations. But, it is news for Habs starved fans during the dog days of summer...and I like talking about prospects at the best of times!! As for Reway, his recent twitter post of him vacationing in Turkey has fans on other boards frothing at the mouth wondering why he is too good to be at this camp. The full inquisition is next!! |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 8, 2015 16:36:24 GMT -5
A report on Mark MacMillan, who is at camp gearing up for his pro debut this fall. He is being kept out of scrimmages as a precautionary note due to his knee injury that ended his last NCAA season leading into the playoffs. canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=774348&navid=DL|MTL|homeAnd one other camp "teaser"...Markus Eisenschmid. |
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