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Post by CentreHice on Oct 3, 2015 12:04:22 GMT -5
Royals-Twins at 1:05 today…..at least the Jays will know that outcome before their game starts this evening.
Remember that game back in early August (just after acquiring Price) when the ump allowed the Royals to throw at (and hit) Jays' players…AFTER giving a warning in the first innning….then tossing Sanchez later in the game for hitting a bottom-third player in the leg?
Royals were sending a message to the upstarts….and many said it was when the Jays became a real team.
IF that's the ALCS match-up…sure would be nice to have home field.
But…counting chickens and all….
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Post by seventeen on Oct 3, 2015 14:17:01 GMT -5
Just keep winning. Simplest solution.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 3, 2015 20:11:09 GMT -5
Osuna can't close out a 3-2 lead. Double, two walks, single to drive in two.
Royals win tomorrow, they have home field all the way through.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 8, 2015 19:46:32 GMT -5
But…counting chickens and all…. Flip that switch, boys....you just lost home field advantage with your ACE on the mound....and maybe more than that....Donaldson apparently passed the preliminary concussion tests... Too much rest for Price? 11 days between starts. That's what Gregg Zaun suggested....broke his rhythm. Whatever the reason...6th straight post-season loss for Price. Tomorrow is now pretty much a MUST win....not good to go down 0-2 at home in a best-of-5. Confidence/momentum is so easy to lose...that sure was a different David Price being interviewed after today's game, compared to what I've seen from him since he got to Toronto. Since clinching, they've lost 5 of their last 6 games.....just sayin'.....something they haven't done since June 29th-July 4th...and something the new-and-improved roster has never done. A little post-clinch over-confidence, pedal-off-the-metal perhaps? |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 8, 2015 23:59:42 GMT -5
The Jays players have to realize that all the runs they produced means nothing in the post season. Pitchers always dominate hitters, so I'd be much less concerned about all their hitters losing .100 in their batting averages, than their pitchers just having bad games. They got outpitched tonight, even though the Ranger pitchers weren't all that good themselves. Did Price choke again? I don't know, but his record in postseason is not good. Many of his pitches were pretty good, but man, when Texas got to him, they hit him hard. He gave up 5 runs on just 5 hits. He also hit Odor twice, though and walked two batters. Geezes, what the hell was that about? Sigh. Stroman's going to have to be really good tomorrow, going up against Hamels. He's very capable of it, and we really need it badly.
I think Beltre's done. When he scuddled up the first base path, I said to myself "Back spasms". Been there done that, have walked just like that, and you don't recover the next day. It would take me at least a week. Now with chiropractic treatments, muscle relaxants and anitinflammatory drugs, acupuncture, threats and willpower, maybe it'll be faster for him, but I figure 3 to 4 days absolute miniumum and the chance of aggravating it again is super high.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 9, 2015 8:42:10 GMT -5
I don't think the sky is falling, but I had my reservations about extended layoffs for specific players ... one of those is David Price, who has yet to win a game in the postseason ... never knew that until I heard it this morning ... we'll what they're made of today ... can't got back to Texas down two games ... Pete Rose expressed his disappointment in the Jays players not playing through their injuries ... I thought those comments were made to rattle the Jays more than anything else ... I mean, he hasn't commented on Adrian Beltre's injury (has he?) ... always thought these weekday, middle-of-the-day games to be a joke ... can't have people missing 'Wheel of Fortune' and 'Jeopary' during prime time, eh ... will have the MLB interactive screen up and running here at work so I'll be able to follow it that way ... they'll need a different attitude today ...
Cheers.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 9, 2015 9:38:14 GMT -5
I know the first two losses after clinching were the result of a B-team roster and partying…..but they continued to "struggle" in Tampa….
Maybe they didn't care about winning the AL outright. Maybe the East was "good enough"….and they took the mental pedal off the metal….
But KC lost at home to the wild-card Astros last night….so who knows?
But if the Jays go down today with Stroman on the mound….they're left with a slim chance indeed.
And what a shame to follow up one of the best second-halfs in recent memory…..by losing 7 of the next 9 to fizzle away….
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 9, 2015 13:30:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I think 11 days off for Price was way to much. I think after clinching the AL EAST the roster was handled badly. In fact I would of started Dickey today instead of Stroman since the Dome is closed but we'll see. They are up 4-3 in the six, but following on the tracker and not seeing live so no idea on the real feel of the game.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 9, 2015 14:29:32 GMT -5
Tied at 4…bottom of 8th.
Revere steals second with 1 out.
Bautista swings at 2 dirt-skimmers….gone.
They walk EE.
Then Tulo swings at the 1st pitch….gone.
Not much patience at the plate vs. Dyson.
Diekman blows the Jays away in the 9th with 98-99-100 mph fastballs.
Extra innings.
Heard an interesting stat. The Jays scored 4 or more runs 106 times this season…far and away the most in the league.
But they were 15-28 in one-run ballgames….the worst in the league.
Must've mainly happened in the first half.
End of 11.
Rangers are getting a Texas-sized strike zone these past few innings.
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Post by franko on Oct 9, 2015 16:48:57 GMT -5
and down 2 games to 0.
heard that teams down 2-0 have a comeback record of 2 and 40plus.
streaky team though.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 9, 2015 16:57:02 GMT -5
I arrive back home to see Pillar with the final swing and a miss. Jays had their big bats up plenty of times.
I missed the actual play….but the replay at second in the 14th showed Odor's foot (insert foot odor joke here) was clearly off then back on the bag while the tag was still applied.….but it's still ruled safe? There's a legit beef there.
Whatever….on their way to Texas, they should stop off in Baltimore and see if they left their mojo in the locker room.
1-6 since clinching.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 9, 2015 19:49:31 GMT -5
Their hitting coach has to school them on just getting their bats on the ball. Forget the home run swings. Make contact, win with singles. If they do that, they'll probably hit 3 home runs a game, but in their effort to smash the ball, their swings are dysfunctional and they're just making outs. Texas' pitching isn't that good. Just make contact. I'll take 10 Texas Leaguers in a row.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 9, 2015 21:24:28 GMT -5
Jays very vocal about that call at second in the 14th.
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Post by franko on Oct 9, 2015 21:27:06 GMT -5
they weren't all too happy with the plate umpire either
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 9, 2015 21:37:42 GMT -5
they weren't all too happy with the plate umpire either Carapazza shouldn't see another game behind the plate in these playoffs. He was all over the place....for both teams at times...but the Rangers got many favourable calls on both sides of home. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 9, 2015 21:45:35 GMT -5
they weren't all too happy with the plate umpire either The umpire was consistently bad, but it affected the Jays more I thought ... thought Greg Zaun was right in that the player was out at 2nd base ... José Bautista's reaction told it all ... the Jays weren't getting the calls and he knew it ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 10, 2015 0:07:25 GMT -5
The foot most likely, probably, almost certainly came off the bag...but nothing definitive from the camera angles available.
Just like a puck most likely, probably, almost certainly crosses the line before the goalie's pad obstructs the last two millimetres of the overhead camera angle.
I most likely, probably, almost certainly want to say that call was a big EFFYU to Toronto from New York....but I can't definitively say that.
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Post by jkr on Oct 10, 2015 4:36:30 GMT -5
I thought the post game whining about the umpires was lame & they come across as sore losers.
They lost this game in regulation when Bautista dropped a fly ball and Martin screwed up an easy run down by tossing the ball into left field. Both plays cost runs in what was essentially a tie game. If they make those plays it never goes to extra innings. Own up to your mistakes & stop blaming someone else.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 10, 2015 9:53:15 GMT -5
IMO, you can't go back to the first inning, take away two runs from the Rangers, yet keep everything that happened afterward. The game would've unfolded differently. The best one can say is that the score should've still been 0-0 after the top of the first. In keeping with that reasoning, I'm not arguing that, had Odor been called out at second, the Jays would've won the game. They could've easily gone down 1, 2, 3 with the Rangers blowing it wide open in the top of the 15th. I'm just saying that it's one thing to make mistakes, fall short, and lose by yourself. You don't need help from umpiring/video review. ============================================================== I agree about the whining mindset of the team, though, jkr. There certainly was enough of that. But while the TV coverage focussed mainly on the whining, the Toronto Star reported these quotes from the two players who messed up in the first inning. “We had so many chances,” said Martin. “We didn’t come through. You can’t really blame the umpire.”
“We’ve lost these games, not anyone else for us,” said Jose Bautista. “Have these been the easiest games to play? Perhaps not. But we could’ve won if we’d played better.” An important mindset if they hope to come back in this series. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 10, 2015 9:56:00 GMT -5
Also, why was the roof closed on two afternoon games that featured no rain and highs of 15C or 60F? That's hardly a non-baseball temperature. The Jays have a better record with the roof open at Rogers Centre. But the league (i.e. New York) made the call. I suppose the reasoning is if you have the option to take out the fall chill, then close it, right? But isn't home field supposed to be an "advantage" in every aspect of the game? ArticleThe Toronto Blue Jays had one of the best home records in the major leagues this season.
They have an even better winning percentage when the Rogers Centre roof is open.
The weather might just might allow for the opening of the stadium's retractable roof for Game 1 of the American League Division Series on Thursday afternoon against the Texas Rangers. The forecast calls for mostly sunny skies and a high of 14 degrees Celsius.
"I'd certainly say there is a chance given what I've seen from the weather (forecast)," said Stephen R. Brooks, the Blue Jays' senior vice-president of business operations. "Obviously the league ultimately will make that call in terms of their control of the post-season in discussions with us. If we're in the mid-teen range, that is admittedly pushing the limits a little bit of the mechanics of the roof.
"However we'll cross our fingers and hope for a day similar to what we see outside today. It would be great if we could open the roof tomorrow."
The temperature reached the low 20s on Wednesday afternoon. The roof remained closed as the Blue Jays and Rangers held practice sessions to prepare for the opener in the best-of-five series.
The Blue Jays were 53-28 at home this season -- good for a share of top spot in the American League with the Houston Astros. Toronto was a remarkable 38-14 when the roof was open and 11-14 when it was closed.Make that 11-16. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 10, 2015 18:14:26 GMT -5
Found this on Canoe.ca Sports ... I thought it might have been an unnecessary distraction for the club, but it's actually a pretty good read ... see Quiet Encarnacion dissecting Blue Jays losses behind scenes ... Toronto's Big Three have started coaching each other ... they know they can turn the series around themselves, if they're smart about it ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 10, 2015 18:36:31 GMT -5
I thought the post game whining about the umpires was lame & they come across as sore losers. They lost this game in regulation when Bautista dropped a fly ball and Martin screwed up an easy run down by tossing the ball into left field. Both plays cost runs in what was essentially a tie game. If they make those plays it never goes to extra innings. Own up to your mistakes & stop blaming someone else. The umpire was an issue for both teams ... the home-plate umpire was terrible ... I had no idea where his strike zone was ... however, I felt the game was decided when John Gibbons took Marcus Stroman out of the game ... Stroman pitched 7 innings, threw 93 pitches and he looked good ... but Gibbons is predictable ... he went with the percentages and brought in Brett Cecile, who ended up tearing a calf muscle and has since been replaced in the lineup ... I won't blame that on Gibbons but he had a different course of action to consider ... I think just by the way he was pitching, he could have gotten out of the inning ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 11, 2015 6:25:04 GMT -5
Not sure where to put this but it falls into the category of questionable umpiring.
I watched the highlights of the Mets/Dodgers. Chase Utley goes out of his way to break up the double play by sliding closer to centre field & then the bag. He injures the Mets SS & is called out because he was nowhere near the bag. He jogs back to the dugout. The Dodgers ask for a review and it shows that the SS didn't touch the bag. However ,Utley didn't either. The ruling - Utley gets the base. I'm still trying to figure it out.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 11, 2015 15:17:50 GMT -5
I'm a bandwagon baseball fan but have to admit, I enjoyed winning the last world series in 92.
IF they make it past this round, I'll be watching....as long as they keep "Canada's team" bs down to a minimum.
NOTHING in TO should be "Canada's" anything, particularly anything involving a puck!
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Post by jkr on Oct 11, 2015 16:23:16 GMT -5
I'm a bandwagon baseball fan but have to admit, I enjoyed winning the last world series in 92. IF they make it past this round, I'll be watching....as long as they keep "Canada's team" bs down to a minimum. NOTHING in TO should be "Canada's" anything, particularly anything involving a puck! Agree whole heartedly with the "Canada's team" stuff. I may be able to be neutral but I can't cheer for any team from Toronto. |
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Post by jkr on Oct 12, 2015 17:28:04 GMT -5
with a 7-1 lead today why are the Jays using Price in relief? Wouldn't you save him for the deciding game?
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 12, 2015 18:10:39 GMT -5
would of keep dickey in for another inning and maybe 2.. now Price has been in for over 50 pitches...can he pitch 2 innings on Wednesday?
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Post by franko on Oct 12, 2015 18:14:09 GMT -5
would of keep dickey in for another inning and maybe 2.. now Price has been in for over 50 pitches...can he pitch 2 innings on Wednesday? no. take a W away from Dickey to give it to Price? way to make the pitcher that is able to win a game happy. the MT school of coaching. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Oct 12, 2015 19:14:45 GMT -5
Odd move, but they got the win. Dickey pretty mature about it all in his post-game interviews.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 12, 2015 19:18:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't have taken either Stroman or Dickie out of either game ... both were still in a groove ... both of the were pretty mad about being take out ... the first two batters Price faced, tagged him either near or on the warning track ... I thought he was in trouble after that ... Gibbons has to step back ... he's too predictable ... same routine, regardless how the pitcher is doing, 5-and-a-bit innings, maybe 6, and he's out ... the other side of the coin is that the Jays are running out of pitchers ... Cecil is out and Price can't handle the playoffs ...
Cheers.
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