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Post by CentreHice on Oct 14, 2015 21:53:28 GMT -5
Should be a war. They don't like each other as it is, after that game in early August at Rogers' Centre.
Too bad the Jays don't have home field...but it can be done. Royals came back from 1-2 vs. the Astros. Down 4 runs late facing elimination in Game 4…..down 2 runs early in the deciding Game 5.
The two best records in the AL…only fitting.
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Post by blny on Oct 15, 2015 5:53:39 GMT -5
Looking back at the assembled teams over the last 22 years, one thing is apparent. There were teams that could hit, but couldn't pitch. There were teams that could pitch, but couldn't hit. There was always one thing missing. Character. Top to bottom, this group has it. It's great to have an offense that can come back like that, but the events of the top of the 7th would have been enough to demoralize a lot of teams. It didn't. They're one of only a couple of teams to come back from 0-2 down in a 5 game series. Coming back last night was a microcosm of that.
One thing I kept in mind during the first round is that a lot of the group had no MLB post season experience before this year. Donaldson, Martin, Price; sure. But, guys like Bautista, Encarnacion, etc.; they all had to figure it out on the fly. The guys that didn't have the experience picked up a boat load in the first round. Add in that they have experience as a group, and I think they're ready for anything.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2015 12:46:15 GMT -5
Yes they're learning on the job. And learning quickly. I wonder what the rotations are going to be?
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Post by blny on Oct 15, 2015 17:28:16 GMT -5
My guess would be that Estrada starts game one then Dickey, Price, Stroman.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 15, 2015 18:18:46 GMT -5
The Royals have a strong bullpen ... so did the Rangers, supposedly ... different animal, though ... it won't be easy but I believe Toronto has the better team ... they've got the bats, the defence and the pitching ... Ryan Goins kind of reminds me of Dick Green ... he was Oakland's 2nd baseman for most of their glory years of the early 70's ... like Goins, Green was a great infielder, but his bat could stop working for stretches at a time ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 15, 2015 18:43:27 GMT -5
Tweeted rotation is Estrada, Price, Stroman & Dickey. I don't think Gibbons has enough confidence in Dickey.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 16, 2015 22:41:10 GMT -5
Game 1: OUCH.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Oct 17, 2015 12:39:10 GMT -5
The Blue Jays needed to come to earth ... I thought they went into Kansas City with over inflated egos ... I read an article where a smiling Gibbons was bragging about the bats not letting up in KC ... we'll see what happens in Game 2 ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 17, 2015 13:21:19 GMT -5
Bang on, Dis. In the Rangers series, they had to get over their initial inexperience and adrenaline over being in the post season, and in the NLCS, they needed to realize celebration time is over and the work day has started.
They just didn't get any timely hits despite having Volquez on the ropes more than a few times. Was that a lack of concentration? Just put the ball in play in a hole. Don't try to kill it, especially in KC. KC had an advantage in the first game since they've been there before. I also don't think Tulo is anywhere near 100%. He's bobbled the ball, hasn't gotten to a couple of balls he normally would get to, and his batting is well below par. I don't blame him, but it would certainly help if he was healthy.
Regardless, the talent is still there, but they need to get some A-1 pitching and play small ball until the kinks iron out. And get back to work, not visions of sugar plums.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 17, 2015 18:46:09 GMT -5
Jays have a Texas Ranger 7th..and it rattled Price, who was well on his way before that "I got it, you got it" between Goins and Bautista....
And what's plagued them this post season in their losses: they can set enough up, but can't knock 'em down.
On the Goins-Bautista error, Gregg Zaun said there HAD to be a home field advantage in the form of someone on the sidelines yelling, "I got it, I got it!" And Goins thought it was Bautista. No other reason why he'd fall to the ground like that, so says Zaun.
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Post by jkr on Oct 17, 2015 20:07:51 GMT -5
Jays have a Texas Ranger 7th..and it rattled Price, who was well on his way before that "I got it, you got it" between Goins and Bautista.... And what's plagued them this post season in their losses: they can set enough up, but can't knock 'em down. On the Goins-Bautista error, Gregg Zaun said there HAD to be a home field advantage in the form of someone on the sidelines yelling, "I got it, I got it!" And Goins thought it was Bautista. No other reason why he'd fall to the ground like that, so says Zaun. C'mon Zaun. Someone from the stands yelled "I got it"? That's got to be the oldest trick in the book. They have to be prepared for crowd noise with a pre set plan or a play like that. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 17, 2015 20:30:57 GMT -5
That's the only way he could see it happening, jkr. Ha!
More like Goins was calling for it...so Bautista let up, took his eyes off it....and Goins simply lost track of it and bailed, hoping Jose was still in the market. Perfect storm.
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Post by blny on Oct 17, 2015 20:56:57 GMT -5
KC are good. Jays showed they could come back after losing two at home. Let's see if they can come back after losing two on the road.
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Post by jkr on Oct 18, 2015 8:49:12 GMT -5
That's the only way he could see it happening, jkr. Ha! More like Goins was calling for it...so Bautista let up, took his eyes off it....and Goins simply lost track of it and bailed, hoping Jose was still in the market. Perfect storm. I would have thought that they would have something set up in the way of signals to combat the crowd noise. To me, the way Goins was waving his glove, looked like he wanted it. To his credit, he took responsibility for the play. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 20, 2015 0:45:11 GMT -5
Was at the game tonight, along with my brother.
Sure glad the bats were flying because Stroman got hit hard....then Hendriks....then Osuna....
Was more than happy to contribute to the Cue-to! chant. One Kansas City paper is ripping him to shreds.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 20, 2015 1:30:38 GMT -5
That's the only way he could see it happening, jkr. Ha! More like Goins was calling for it...so Bautista let up, took his eyes off it....and Goins simply lost track of it and bailed, hoping Jose was still in the market. Perfect storm. I would have thought that they would have something set up in the way of signals to combat the crowd noise. To me, the way Goins was waving his glove, looked like he wanted it. To his credit, he took responsibility for the play. Undoubtedly, some guy in the stands yelled, "I got it", and Goins thought it was Bautista. It happens. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 20, 2015 19:07:02 GMT -5
If anybody here is going to the Jays' game today, take your glove. You might be pitching.
Man, when Dickey is off, he's off. When the knuckler isn't knuckling, it's a fat Idaho.
Only Price has had an effective start in this series for the Jays….and even at that, he couldn't pitch out of trouble in the 7th…after the errors began.
Estrada, Stroman, and Dickey were all hit hard early and often.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 21, 2015 8:39:52 GMT -5
"T.O.(to) ... will we ever get back to Kansas?"
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Post by blny on Oct 21, 2015 18:06:40 GMT -5
Estrada with a fantastic effort today. 6-1 final. Pretty big statement.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 21, 2015 18:08:49 GMT -5
Pitched a gem.
Up to Price next.
He shut them down before....for 6 innings....
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Post by blny on Oct 21, 2015 18:49:25 GMT -5
When you stop and realize that Gibbons doesn't have Buehrle he could call on for long relief, or Cecil, Loup, and Hawkins for situational stuff, it's pretty remarkable. Cecil is one of the best lefties in the game. Loup's a very good lefty too. Hawkins is a strong vet. That's three excellent relievers and a veteran starter who can throw a lot of innings. Hendricks is hurt too isn't he?
I'm not a fan of Sanchez. He throws hard, but his stuff doesn't move and it's predictable. It's why he hasn't made it as a starter.
So we have 4 starters - two with minimal starting experience in the bigs - Sanchez, Osuna and not much else.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 23, 2015 0:08:01 GMT -5
And we're 2 wins away from the WS. Not bad. Two winnable games.
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Post by jkr on Oct 23, 2015 6:52:54 GMT -5
When you stop and realize that Gibbons doesn't have Buehrle he could call on for long relief, or Cecil, Loup, and Hawkins for situational stuff, it's pretty remarkable. Cecil is one of the best lefties in the game. Loup's a very good lefty too. Hawkins is a strong vet. That's three excellent relievers and a veteran starter who can throw a lot of innings. Hendricks is hurt too isn't he? I'm not a fan of Sanchez. He throws hard, but his stuff doesn't move and it's predictable. It's why he hasn't made it as a starter. So we have 4 starters - two with minimal starting experience in the bigs - Sanchez, Osuna and not much else. Zaun was talking about the long relief issue after game 5. I don't understand why Buehrle or Hutchison is not on the roster. Are they injured or is it a rules thing? |
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 23, 2015 7:41:42 GMT -5
You can only dress 25 people per round. If someone gets hurts you can replace them but it's for the whole round and not just a game. The Jays have there starting nine + Smoak, Pennington, Navarro + Carreara, and Pompey which gives them 14 positional players. They got the four starters and Tepera (replaced injured Cecil this round), Loup, Hendricks, Hawkins, Sanchez, Lowe and Osuna which equals 11 pitchers.
Personally, I would never I brought up Loup as he's been real bad this year and is only good vs lefties. I would of kept Buerle on the roster. The guy was struggling late this year, but that was due to injuries. I think that with a month off he should be good to go and Loup has missed 3 games this playoffs due to personal family matters.
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Post by blny on Oct 23, 2015 10:24:50 GMT -5
Buehrle was interviewed at the end of the season. He's not 100%, and said he agreed with Gibbons about leaving him off the roster.
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Post by Tankdriver on Oct 23, 2015 15:34:41 GMT -5
Buehrle was interviewed at the end of the season. He's not 100%, and said he agreed with Gibbons about leaving him off the roster. That's just him being a team player. |
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 23, 2015 20:48:10 GMT -5
Price gives up two taters....Ventura gives up one.
Jays get two walks (Martin & Pillar) to start the 5th....then fly out (Goins), fly out (Revere), line out (Donaldson).
Not clutch hitting so far.
Swinging at a lot of bad pitches early....then watching down-the-middle called Strike 3s.
Frustrating to watch.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 23, 2015 21:03:59 GMT -5
Encarnacion with a 1-out double. Chases Ventura. Now Herrera comes in and strikes out Colabello and gets Tulo to fly out.
3 Jays' runners at 2nd base not cashed in tonight.
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Post by blny on Oct 23, 2015 21:09:20 GMT -5
The second home run wasn't one. Fan caught ball over wall. Should have been caught. Should have been reviewed and called a ground rule double.
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Post by CentreHice on Oct 23, 2015 21:19:41 GMT -5
The second home run wasn't one. Fan caught ball over wall. Should have been caught. Should have been reviewed and called a ground rule double. New York reviewed it....and allowed it. To me, it appeared as if the ball would've hit the fair side of the wall...just under the front edge...because that's where the ball entered the glove. But hey....it's New York. Herrera is lights out again in relief. |
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