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Post by CentreHice on Mar 22, 2016 13:31:31 GMT -5
Integral in maintaining a free society is that all ideas MUST BE open to criticism and denounced/stopped if necessary….and not allowed to hide under the security blanket of "religion should be respected"…. there is a big difference between tolerance and acceptance, then between acceptance and respect, then between respect and capitulation. question me, please. question what I believe and why I believe it. disagree with me even. but then we shake hands, walk away, and go on with our lives. this "my way or else" philosophy -- from all religious (and might I say political) perspectives -- is abhorrent. If the doctrines/marching orders are found in the scriptures (which they are) then there is no "taking out of context" or "misinterpretation". The other two Abrahamic monotheisms have either reformed or recanted their barbaric verses once science and secular reasoning prevailed. Are there peaceful, moderate Muslim organizations doing the same? To criticize their books is tantamount to heresy, and death is a common punishment. Can't even publish a cartoon of Muhammad in Denmark without a network of organized terror in response. Lots of work to be done. |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 22, 2016 13:55:15 GMT -5
The other two Abrahamic monotheisms have either reformed or recanted their barbaric verses once science and secular reasoning prevailed. Are there peaceful, moderate Muslim organizations doing the same? Of course there are, and I posted something similar to this the last time this question came up. The truth is LOTS of Islamic leaders have condemned ISIS and their ways, but where is the fun in reporting on something like that? Hate sells. Now of course there are extremists - to deny their very existence is ridiculous - but it's just as ridiculous (and dangerous) to deny the existence of the moderates as well. Because if you keep ignoring their voices and painting them with the same brush as the whack-jobs... well, we know where that leads. Did you see this article, on how 70,000 Indian clerics issue fatwa against terrorists? Few did. In fact, I would bet very few people know the following: www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.htmlThe Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.” According to the Vatican: The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’ [Vatican Radio, 7/25/14] Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.” [The Daily Star, 8/13/14] Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.” [Al Arabiya News, 8/11/14] Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters: “Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,” Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s. “Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.” Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging. “The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview. [Reuters, 7/22/14] C AIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”: We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts. The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions. We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones. [Council on American-Islamic Relations, 7/7/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/11/14; Council on American-Islamic Relations, 8/20/14] The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.” [The Independent, 7/11/14] The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.” [The Islamic Society of North America, 8/9/14] 100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.” (Please see below) Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”: Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims. [Al Jazeera, 8/19/14] Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.” [Muslim Public Affairs Council, 8/20/14] |
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Post by franko on Mar 22, 2016 14:05:09 GMT -5
The truth is LOTS of Islamic leaders have condemned ISIS and their ways, but where is the fun in reporting on something like that? Hate sells. that's it, isn't it?. a lot of Muslims are embarrassed to have to defend themselves due to this minority (kind of like a lot of Christians are embarrassed to have to defend themselves due to the fundamentalist minority who garner the headlines). sex and hate sell . . . as does stupidity. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 22, 2016 16:19:23 GMT -5
... sell . . . as does stupidity. ... amen ...
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 1:25:00 GMT -5
Of course there are, and I posted something similar to this the last time this question came up. The truth is LOTS of Islamic leaders have condemned ISIS and their ways, but where is the fun in reporting on something like that? Hate sells. Now of course there are extremists - to deny their very existence is ridiculous - but it's just as ridiculous (and dangerous) to deny the existence of the moderates as well. Because if you keep ignoring their voices and painting them with the same brush as the whack-jobs... well, we know where that leads. Lots have and about 800 hundred million haven't.  Roughly 16% SUPPORT terror and there are 1.7 billion Muslims ...which is roughly 270,000,000 Muslims. Add to this those who support "rarely justifies" and you are up there to about half. 800,000,000 followers of the religion of peace have not denounced terrorism. But where is the fun of reporting something like that? |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 1:32:43 GMT -5
Islam is NOT simply a religion but rather, a social political system. In case anyone has any doubts...  Even 22% of those who are living in the Western world want their holly mojo man to be involved in politics. Tell me again about how Islam is a "religion"? Tell me again how this is compatible in any way or form with our secular Western values and freedoms? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 23, 2016 6:59:09 GMT -5
The main hope is that there are only so many disgruntled, poorly educated, lower income Americans who'll get sucked in by the propoganda. This is how it's done all over the world, mate ... make people afraid of it, tell them who is to blame for it and keep pounding it home until the the voters masses are properly conditioned ... once that happens they'll vote for the guy/gal who offers salvation, belt-fed BS notwithstanding ... Don't worry about the Republicans, buds ... religion has been a political tool for every denomination ... this image kind of relates to both HA's chart above and to your "extreme religious" reference ... on the flip side, can you imagine an athiest being voted in as president ... don't think we'll see it happen in our day ... |
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Post by BadCompany on Mar 23, 2016 8:41:53 GMT -5
Islam is NOT simply a religion but rather, a social political system. In case anyone has any doubts... Even 22% of those who are living in the Western world want their holly mojo man to be involved in politics. Tell me again about how Islam is a "religion"? Tell me again how this is compatible in any way or form with our secular Western values and freedoms? How is that different from Americans in general?      |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 9:21:34 GMT -5
How is that different from Americans in general? No American expects the pope to be President..... You are intentionally blurring the lines of a secular society that likes a link to their religion versus those that want a theocratic government adherring and converting to their rigid beliefs. Vast difference between Iran and US. Although Ayatollah Cranky has a certain ring to it... |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 9:24:40 GMT -5
There are several images of obama ring of sainthood. I'm expecting some of Justin too.......although it may be hidden behind the hair.  |
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Post by franko on Mar 23, 2016 10:03:51 GMT -5
How is that different from Americans in general? No American expects the pope to be President..... You are intentionally blurring the lines of a secular society that likes a link to their religion versus those that want a theocratic government adherring and converting to their rigid beliefs. Vast difference between Iran and US. Although Ayatollah Cranky has a certain ring to it... Except I've never heard you tell anyone to kiss your ring  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 23, 2016 10:04:16 GMT -5
There are several images of obama ring of sainthood. I'm expecting some of Justin too.......although it may be hidden behind the hair. Just don't be telling me that Trudeau is using Propecia ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Mar 23, 2016 12:28:46 GMT -5
Of course there are, and I posted something similar to this the last time this question came up. The truth is LOTS of Islamic leaders have condemned ISIS and their ways, but where is the fun in reporting on something like that? Hate sells. Now of course there are extremists - to deny their very existence is ridiculous - but it's just as ridiculous (and dangerous) to deny the existence of the moderates as well. Because if you keep ignoring their voices and painting them with the same brush as the whack-jobs... well, we know where that leads. Lots have and about 800 hundred million haven't. Roughly 16% SUPPORT terror and there are 1.7 billion Muslims ...which is roughly 270,000,000 Muslims. Add to this those who support "rarely justifies" and you are up there to about half. 800,000,000 followers of the religion of peace have not denounced terrorism. But where is the fun of reporting something like that? The greatest support (outside of Bangladesh) for suicide bombings seems to come from the area around Israel and considering they've been at war for years, that's not surprising. Indonesia is one of the heavily populated Muslim areas (250MM) and there's very little support for violent means from that part off the globe. When you see the support from Bangladesh, it confirms that as in so many things in life, improvement in economic circumstances goes a long way to solving civil unrest. We need more middle class people, everywhere. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 14:06:47 GMT -5
Lots have and about 800 hundred million haven't. Roughly 16% SUPPORT terror and there are 1.7 billion Muslims ...which is roughly 270,000,000 Muslims. Add to this those who support "rarely justifies" and you are up there to about half. 800,000,000 followers of the religion of peace have not denounced terrorism. But where is the fun of reporting something like that? The greatest support (outside of Bangladesh) for suicide bombings seems to come from the area around Israel and considering they've been at war for years, that's not surprising. Indonesia is one of the heavily populated Muslim areas (250MM) and there's very little support for violent means from that part off the globe. When you see the support from Bangladesh, it confirms that as in so many things in life, improvement in economic circumstances goes a long way to solving civil unrest. We need more middle class people, everywhere. Selective reasoning and excusing. What about Turkey? A relatively well off, well educated country at 39% who suppprt some degree of terrorism? Or Malasyia? At 33%. What you are seeing is not an economic devider, but rather the degree of ifluence of grass root knuckles of lslam. In Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood, in Turkey, a reviving Islamicist strongman with grass roots support and exploitation, etc. The "Jews fault" is nothing more then another twig on the fire. And given the widespread, nee, world wide nature of the violence and attitudes with the "religion", it's downright wtong to believe it as an excuse. Yet more proof.....the current European violance is against those very same people who support the Palestinians. The big exception is Pakistan and the underlying reason is that there is so much terrorism there against their own, people are finally rejecting the religions call to stupidity. Pakistan use to be more pro terrorism several years ago and gradually shifted. Funny how lots of bodybags of their own can change attitude. This chart can't whitewash the nature of the "religion". Nor the other chart the degree of the religion demanding to be a social and political master. Last but not least, the other common excuse is that it's people who pervert the religion, not the religion itself. That's a pile of nonsense because religion is not an object, but rather a collective belief. So if the collective belief is built on and perpetuated through it's "teachings" world wide, it can't be excused as a few locals or outliers perverting it. It is what it is and better to monitor it and controlling Islams social/political influence/demands rather then whitewashing it (hello vote licking little Prince) or treating it as if it has the same level of influence/control as tamed and watered down Christianity has in the secular West. We in Canada do not want to have our versions of "no go" hate filled Islamist areas like Britain and France. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 23, 2016 14:30:21 GMT -5
No American expects the pope to be President..... You are intentionally blurring the lines of a secular society that likes a link to their religion versus those that want a theocratic government adherring and converting to their rigid beliefs. Vast difference between Iran and US. Although Ayatollah Cranky has a certain ring to it... Except I've never heard you tell anyone to kiss your ring I have told many to kiss some other part.... The idea of kissing a ring as a means of accepting subjugation is so abhorrent to me that.....I'm okay with slicing the finger off. As an atheist and libertarian, I'm more then fine with people seeking solace with their Gods/Gods. But the minute any religion is risen to social/political control, then I'm all for its exctition. We met and we couldn't be more different from a religious point of view, but we can jump into the same foxhole and remain sane. Err...as long as MThead and BargainBin is not there.... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 23, 2016 15:56:39 GMT -5
I think Trump is a knob ...
Cheers.
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Post by franko on Mar 23, 2016 21:13:50 GMT -5
Except I've never heard you tell anyone to kiss your ring I have told many to kiss some other part.... ya, that's kind of what I was implying as a theist (did you catch that?  ) and also a libertarian/free willer, I too have a problem with a theocracy. the question I always ask is "whose?". even within the North American context, I ask that question/ "We need Christian values", I hear, and ask which ones? Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority? No thanks. Fred Phelps? NO THANKS!!! Ah, mine (that is, whoever is talking) is the implication. So move over Cranky, I'll be the emperor. well, we do need a base/a floor/something to stand on to keep us out of the muck. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 24, 2016 0:06:50 GMT -5
I have told many to kiss some other part.... ya, that's kind of what I was implying as a theist (did you catch that? ) and also a libertarian/free willer, I too have a problem with a theocracy. the question I always ask is "whose?". even within the North American context, I ask that question/ "We need Christian values", I hear, and ask which ones? Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority? No thanks. Fred Phelps? NO THANKS!!! Ah, mine (that is, whoever is talking) is the implication. So move over Cranky, I'll be the emperor. well, we do need a base/a floor/something to stand on to keep us out of the muck. I never considered morals and values cornered, sole propriety or unique too or by those who are religious. If anything, I rather see personal enlightenment through thought, reasoning and common sense. Anywho....between budgets, bombs and bombastic politicians.....not a good week.... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 25, 2016 20:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 26, 2016 15:46:45 GMT -5
I'll wait until the dust has settled. A Romney Rubio ticket us still on the agenda and "kill Trumpism" Republican still controls congress.
After this, the Republican elites better control a third of the vote and qualify any candidates if they don't want a repeat.
What a waist of time. They had a lock on the presidency and both houses....and squandered it on a clown.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 27, 2016 1:52:44 GMT -5
Donald Trump for GM. Make the Hab's great again!
Still am in the "anybody but Trump" camp to lead the Republican Party but I will vote for Trump against Sanders or Hillary if it comes to that.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 27, 2016 15:02:57 GMT -5
Donald Trump for GM. Make the Hab's great again! Still am in the "anybody but Trump" camp to lead the Republican Party but I will vote for Trump against Sanders or Hillary if it comes to that. Is Lucifer available? He may be evil but he can't be much worse! I love how the left is salivating at Sanders chances. He has so much free ice cream to give away, how can anyone refuse at free? Greek politicians approve.... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 27, 2016 17:25:29 GMT -5
Donald Trump for GM. Make the Hab's great again! Still am in the "anybody but Trump" camp to lead the Republican Party but I will vote for Trump against Sanders or Hillary if it comes to that. People are frustrated all over the place, not just in the US ... Trudeau said he'd keep the deficit to under $10 billion, but instead announces a budget that runs a $29.5 billion deficit ... I saw where the money we don't have is going to ... it's too aggressive and too ambitious ... it's almost akin to the free government spending his father, Trudeau the Elder, took full advantage of ... from CBC:  The red ink flows from there, to $29 billion the following year, then $22.8 billion and $17.7 billion in 2019-20, the next scheduled federal election year.... unfortunately, this is the mindset with the Ontario Liberals as well ... they know how to spend money they don't have ... I'll be looking for results ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 27, 2016 19:39:39 GMT -5
... unfortunately, this is the mindset with the Ontario Liberals as well ... they know how to spend money they don't have ... I'll be looking for results ... Cheers. Debt? Why are you focusing on debt? I think you are jealous of his nice hair Dis. It was so bloody predictable, it's not even funny. The Prince was not satisfied with 10 billion deficit, nope, with so many groups to buy off and keep them voting Fiberal, he had to triple that. Make that 100 billion in 4 years, give or take, with the excuse of a "sluggish economy". 1.4% growth is "sluggish economy".....SPEND....SPEND...SPEND. Slow compared to what? We got hammered in resources but still grew. Sure, less then before but nowhere near the need to shovel money. What are we going to do when it REALLY slows down? Can you imagine what he will do if the housing bubble burst? Say hello to a trillion+++ debt. After all, what better way to buy off voters then make them Fiberal free ice cream dependent. This is how Greek politicians conned and con voters. They promise them more then the next guy, borrow, spend, rinse , repeat...and go broke. When the sh*t hits the fan, it was the other guy who did it.....and they are savior angels. Rinse, repeat. But hey, what's the problem? Nothing a selfie wont fix...... (BTW, things in Greece are going from bad to worse. Expect another "Greek crisis". Why? Because the latest clowns are repeating what the former clowns did, but on steroids. Spend what they don't have, roll back reforms, tax like the masses are state slaves. But again, a charismatic liar skates by with bs.) |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Mar 27, 2016 23:40:09 GMT -5
... unfortunately, this is the mindset with the Ontario Liberals as well ... they know how to spend money they don't have ... I'll be looking for results ... Cheers. Debt? Why are you focusing on debt? I think you are jealous of his nice hair Dis. It was so bloody predictable, it's not even funny. The Prince was not satisfied with 10 billion deficit, nope, with so many groups to buy off and keep them voting Fiberal, he had to triple that. Make that 100 billion in 4 years, give or take, with the excuse of a "sluggish economy". 1.4% growth is "sluggish economy".....SPEND....SPEND...SPEND. Slow compared to what? We got hammered in resources but still grew. Sure, less then before but nowhere near the need to shovel money. What are we going to do when it REALLY slows down? Can you imagine what he will do if the housing bubble burst? Say hello to a trillion+++ debt. After all, what better way to buy off voters then make them Fiberal free ice cream dependent. This is how Greek politicians conned and con voters. They promise them more then the next guy, borrow, spend, rinse , repeat...and go broke. When the sh*t hits the fan, it was the other guy who did it.....and they are savior angels. Rinse, repeat. But hey, what's the problem? Nothing a selfie wont fix...... (BTW, things in Greece are going from bad to worse. Expect another "Greek crisis". Why? Because the latest clowns are repeating what the former clowns did, but on steroids. Spend what they don't have, roll back reforms, tax like the masses are state slaves. But again, a charismatic liar skates by with bs.) How did Obama convince Trudeau that global warming is a top Canadian problem? When it's 50 below in Alberta can Justin tell the oil sands workers they are losing their jobs because the worlds temperature may rise one degree in the next hundred years. Can you tell the farmers in the Okenagen, Ontario, the prairies and maritims that they may get a longer warmer growing season unless he puts a stop to it. We are in a natural warming period following a succession of ice ages. The glaciers did not recede because Neandertals drove around in gas guzzling SUV's. The worlds overpopulation is more of a problem than hydrocarbon consumption and making the developed world a repository for their surplus of poor and terrorists will not solve as many problems as it creates. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 1, 2016 17:26:11 GMT -5
... the new king of reality TV ... he'll cash in too, mark my words ...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 1, 2016 20:48:51 GMT -5
... unfortunately, this is the mindset with the Ontario Liberals as well ... they know how to spend money they don't have ... I'll be looking for results ... Cheers. Debt? Why are you focusing on debt? I think you are jealous of his nice hair Dis. It was so bloody predictable, it's not even funny. The Prince was not satisfied with 10 billion deficit, nope, with so many groups to buy off and keep them voting Fiberal, he had to triple that. Make that 100 billion in 4 years, give or take, with the excuse of a "sluggish economy". 1.4% growth is "sluggish economy".....SPEND....SPEND...SPEND. Slow compared to what? We got hammered in resources but still grew. Sure, less then before but nowhere near the need to shovel money. What are we going to do when it REALLY slows down? Can you imagine what he will do if the housing bubble burst? Say hello to a trillion+++ debt. After all, what better way to buy off voters then make them Fiberal free ice cream dependent. This is how Greek politicians conned and con voters. They promise them more then the next guy, borrow, spend, rinse , repeat...and go broke. When the sh*t hits the fan, it was the other guy who did it.....and they are savior angels. Rinse, repeat. But hey, what's the problem? Nothing a selfie wont fix...... (BTW, things in Greece are going from bad to worse. Expect another "Greek crisis". Why? Because the latest clowns are repeating what the former clowns did, but on steroids. Spend what they don't have, roll back reforms, tax like the masses are state slaves. But again, a charismatic liar skates by with bs.) Enjoy the $0.73 Canadian dollar before it falls to $0.40. Who needs a balanced budget? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 2, 2016 16:04:12 GMT -5
Debt? Why are you focusing on debt? I think you are jealous of his nice hair Dis. It was so bloody predictable, it's not even funny. The Prince was not satisfied with 10 billion deficit, nope, with so many groups to buy off and keep them voting Fiberal, he had to triple that. Make that 100 billion in 4 years, give or take, with the excuse of a "sluggish economy". 1.4% growth is "sluggish economy".....SPEND....SPEND...SPEND. Slow compared to what? We got hammered in resources but still grew. Sure, less then before but nowhere near the need to shovel money. What are we going to do when it REALLY slows down? Can you imagine what he will do if the housing bubble burst? Say hello to a trillion+++ debt. After all, what better way to buy off voters then make them Fiberal free ice cream dependent. This is how Greek politicians conned and con voters. They promise them more then the next guy, borrow, spend, rinse , repeat...and go broke. When the sh*t hits the fan, it was the other guy who did it.....and they are savior angels. Rinse, repeat. But hey, what's the problem? Nothing a selfie wont fix...... (BTW, things in Greece are going from bad to worse. Expect another "Greek crisis". Why? Because the latest clowns are repeating what the former clowns did, but on steroids. Spend what they don't have, roll back reforms, tax like the masses are state slaves. But again, a charismatic liar skates by with bs.) Enjoy the $0.73 Canadian dollar before it falls to $0.40. Who needs a balanced budget? I read it will bottom-out at $0.59 ( Macquarie Group) to go along with $20-barrel oil ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2016 12:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 10, 2016 19:03:45 GMT -5
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) and also a libertarian/free willer, I too have a problem with a theocracy. the question I always ask is "whose?". even within the 
