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Post by CentreHice on Apr 16, 2016 17:36:31 GMT -5
Yep...Rangers full marks for the W.
Perhaps with Malkin's return, the Pens let up a bit?
ANOTHER FLASHBACK
In the 2002 playoffs, Sundin fractured his wrist in Round 1. The Leafs went on to beat the Islanders, then the Senators in Rnd. 2.
They then won Game 1 IN Carolina. On a roll.....
Sundin returned for Game 2 ....they lost in OT.....and lost 3 of the next 4.
Was so happy to see Gelinas score the OT winner in Game 6....because the Leafs were getting away with murder at that time. Remember Game 5 vs. the Islanders? NY had just come back with two wins to tie the series. Tucker took out Peca's knees....and Roberts certainly took care of offensive dman, Kenny Jonsson. (Laviolette's rookie season as head coach.)
THE TUCKER DIRT
Would that play be suspension-worthy today?
THE ROBERTS DIRT
Starting at 1:20 of this clip....what would Roberts receive today for this check? Do I count any less than 6 full strides?
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 18:54:59 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pens let up, but Malkin was a non-factor. I'd have to look at the lineup from game one to know who the Pens scratched to put him in, but he was NOT effective. Crosby wasn't very good either.
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Post by Skilly on Apr 16, 2016 19:29:22 GMT -5
Re Shaw, yah he swiped at a loose puck. He's allowed to. Contact to me was incidental. I don't see him pitchforking the goalie and trying to drive him into the net. That contact is brief, as he pulls his stick back to track and swipe at it again. Good goal for me. I think Brassard was onside. From the dasher cam, it looked to be a tie as his back foot and the puck cross the line at the same time. The Rangers have played a heavier game - especially in the second and early third. The Pens don't have the jam. They're floating around. Hits coming into the third were 41 Rangers and 15 Penguins. The Rags upped the intensity and the Pens don't have an answer. Cooper sure loves to yap, eh? I'm watching the NBC feed. Doc Emrick doing the play by play. Eddie O and Pierre providing colour commentary. By you own description then the goal should be disallowed .... Rule 78a - When a player initiates contact with a goaltender incidental or otherwise, while a goaltender is in his crease, and a goal is scored, then the goal shall be disallowed |
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Post by blny on Apr 16, 2016 19:34:26 GMT -5
Re Shaw, yah he swiped at a loose puck. He's allowed to. Contact to me was incidental. I don't see him pitchforking the goalie and trying to drive him into the net. That contact is brief, as he pulls his stick back to track and swipe at it again. Good goal for me. I think Brassard was onside. From the dasher cam, it looked to be a tie as his back foot and the puck cross the line at the same time. The Rangers have played a heavier game - especially in the second and early third. The Pens don't have the jam. They're floating around. Hits coming into the third were 41 Rangers and 15 Penguins. The Rags upped the intensity and the Pens don't have an answer. Cooper sure loves to yap, eh? I'm watching the NBC feed. Doc Emrick doing the play by play. Eddie O and Pierre providing colour commentary. By you own description then the goal should be disallowed .... Rule 78a - When a player initiates contact with a goaltender incidental or otherwise, while a goaltender is in his crease, and a goal is scored, then the goal shall be disallowedOnly if the puck goes in at the time of the initiated contact, or it's deemed the goalie was unable to recover. One, the puck did not go in on that first swipe. Two, he never lost position. So, no. Not by my description. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 16, 2016 19:39:54 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pens let up, but Malkin was a non-factor. I'd have to look at the lineup from game one to know who the Pens scratched to put him in, but he was NOT effective. Crosby wasn't very good either. I believe it was Oskar Sundqvist |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 16, 2016 19:42:21 GMT -5
By you own description then the goal should be disallowed .... Rule 78a - When a player initiates contact with a goaltender incidental or otherwise, while a goaltender is in his crease, and a goal is scored, then the goal shall be disallowedOnly if the puck goes in at the time of the initiated contact, or it's deemed the goalie was unable to recover. One, the puck did not go in on that first swipe. Two, he never lost position. So, no. Not by my description. Wrong. Read rule 78 A player is not allowed to touch a goalie .... The only time it is allowed is incidental contact OUTSIDE the goal crease. Under all occurrences the goal is disallowed. The only time it is not also a penalty is if incidental outside the crease. Your initial statement only mentioned "incidental" contact ... You are adding to it now |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 16, 2016 19:50:32 GMT -5
Rule 78(i) applies .... On a rebound, incidental contact in the crease is allowed. I think it is fair to say a "follow through" on a shot is incidental..
My apologies...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2016 21:16:54 GMT -5
Yep...Rangers full marks for the W. Perhaps with Malkin's return, the Pens let up a bit? ANOTHER FLASHBACKIn the 2002 playoffs, Sundin fractured his wrist in Round 1. The Leafs went on to beat the Islanders, then the Senators in Rnd. 2. They then won Game 1 IN Carolina. On a roll..... Sundin returned for Game 2 ....they lost in OT.....and lost 3 of the next 4. Was so happy to see Gelinas score the OT winner in Game 6....because the Leafs were getting away with murder at that time. Remember Game 5 vs. the Islanders? NY had just come back with two wins to tie the series. Tucker took out Peca's knees....and Roberts certainly took care of offensive dman, Kenny Jonsson. (Laviolette's rookie season as head coach.) I remember those years ... Gary Roberts carried the team on his back ... that was his team and when Mats Sundin came back he deferred leadership onto the captain ... Sundin came back too early from his injury and the Leafs started losing from there ... I think they would have advanced further had Roberts been able to lead the team ... Leaf fans also have a point when they mention '93 ... that would have been an emotional final had the Leafs got by LA ... the series was decided by a biased officiating ... Wayne Gretzky gets away with a 5-minute major for high sticking and later scores the series-winning goal ... Doug Gilmour was the toast of Toronto ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 16, 2016 21:38:20 GMT -5
Haven't seen too much hockey of late ... how's Jonathan Drouin doing in the post-season ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2016 22:57:54 GMT -5
Re Shaw, yah he swiped at a loose puck. He's allowed to. Contact to me was incidental. I don't see him pitchforking the goalie and trying to drive him into the net. That contact is brief, as he pulls his stick back to track and swipe at it again. Good goal for me. I think Brassard was onside. From the dasher cam, it looked to be a tie as his back foot and the puck cross the line at the same time. The Rangers have played a heavier game - especially in the second and early third. The Pens don't have the jam. They're floating around. Hits coming into the third were 41 Rangers and 15 Penguins. The Rags upped the intensity and the Pens don't have an answer. Cooper sure loves to yap, eh? I'm watching the NBC feed. Doc Emrick doing the play by play. Eddie O and Pierre providing colour commentary. By you own description then the goal should be disallowed .... Rule 78a - When a player initiates contact with a goaltender incidental or otherwise, while a goaltender is in his crease, and a goal is scored, then the goal shall be disallowedI agree. While I think the second swat was ok (he was going for the puck), the first swat drove Elliot's leg back and prevented him from making a proper play on the second swat. Normally, a goalie manages to block that, but if your let is driven back, you don't have a chance to set it and hold it for subsequent shots. But the Hawks got a lot of 'luck' in that game. Tarasenko's goal being called off was a killer. You can't even see when the puck actually crosses the line because Schwartz's (?) body is blocking the viewing angle. I think the NHL HO made that call based on who gets better TV ratings. It just seems, whether its the Jays, Raptors, Minny, the Blues, whoever I'm hoping for, is getting screwed by the refs. Can't help but wonder if it isn't manipulation for tv ratings. I used to think that was driven by obsessed conspiracy theorists, but I'm not so sure anymore. I often seems the bigger market teams (for the US) get the benefit of the doubt. There were more than a few 'unusual calls and rulings' when the Bruins won the Cup over the Canucks. That's just one example. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 16, 2016 22:59:09 GMT -5
I don't know if the Pens let up, but Malkin was a non-factor. I'd have to look at the lineup from game one to know who the Pens scratched to put him in, but he was NOT effective. Crosby wasn't very good either. The Pens play best when one of Crosby or Malkin is injured and not playing. The other guy seems to turn his game up a notch. When both are dressed, it's as if they're waiting for the other guy to take charge. I'd sit Malkin again. He can't be healthy. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 17, 2016 6:43:30 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Apr 17, 2016 12:28:17 GMT -5
I saw an interesting stat regarding San Jose this morning. They're about .500 at home and hugely better on the road. That's really odd, but bodes well for LA getting back into the series.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 17, 2016 21:14:58 GMT -5
Detroit wins 2-0....but it didn't look good after 4 empty PPs, including a 1:00 5-on-3. 0-7 on the PP for the night.
Anathasiou finally squeezed one past Bishop on the short side....and Zetterberg had the 2-0 goal go off his skate in a scramble in front.
Rugged series....lots of hate.....
Abdelkader is a target after he wailed on Blunden in Game 2.
Boyle tried to fight him tonight at the end of the game...but Abdelkader wouldn't drop his gloves.
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Post by franko on Apr 17, 2016 22:07:12 GMT -5
Abdelkader is a target after he wailed on Blunden in Game 2. Boyle tried to fight him tonight at the end of the game...but Abdelkader wouldn't drop his gloves. 6'7 243 v 6'2 218. can't blame him though he should take his medicine I guess |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2016 0:19:58 GMT -5
Nashville up 3-1 late in 3rd. Ducks seem to lose their composure when things don't go their way. That lack of discipline, especially in their captain, hurts them.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 18, 2016 7:47:01 GMT -5
Abdelkader is a target after he wailed on Blunden in Game 2. Boyle tried to fight him tonight at the end of the game...but Abdelkader wouldn't drop his gloves. 6'7 243 v 6'2 218. can't blame him though he should take his medicine I guess I wasn't on the ice, so it's hard for me to know what led to Justin Abdelkader's attack on Mike Blundin ... if it was unprovoked and there was no suspension, then I suspect it's the owners who are calling the shots and not the league or its officials ... it's not like the officials are supported anyway ... Dennis Wideman's shortened suspension was enough to prove that to me ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 18, 2016 15:31:34 GMT -5
Remember when we wondered what Mike Blunden was contributing to the Habs? I still don't have an answer to that, but perhaps Cooper and Yzerman do. Some guys just have the 'responsible' label on them.
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2016 20:08:34 GMT -5
This hit from former Hab Ryan White is getting a lot of talk right now.
I personally feel like he got all shoulder. There's another angle, from the net area, that shows he didn't hit the head. He didn't go out of his way to leave his feet like Ott did against Seabrook. The hit was not late. It was a sandwich hit, that more often than not is fairly mundane. Orpik was seriously concussed by this. He was helped off by 2 trainers and had no clue where he was.
Pierre McGuire thought it was a penalty. Jones and Roenick didn't after seeing all the angles. Roenick, attempting to convey the affects of multiple concussions, commented that each subsequent concussion 'magnetizes' the impact. He inadvertently showed what happens after numerous concussions. He really can't complete a sentence.
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Post by jkr on Apr 18, 2016 20:41:40 GMT -5
I saw this too & it looked like an OK hit too me. Orpik was seriously concussed several years ago when he was mugged by Shawn Thornton.
Now 5-1 Caps with 4 PP goals tonight. Fans starting to leave.
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Post by jkr on Apr 18, 2016 20:48:45 GMT -5
C'mon Trotz. Leading 5 to 1 with 2 minutes to go & he has Ovechkin and Carlsson out there on the PP.
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2016 20:51:11 GMT -5
jkr, he's sending a message as a result of this horrible play by Bellemare that got 5,10 and game. He should be suspended for a while for this.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 18, 2016 21:38:32 GMT -5
While I'm glad Philly knocked the Bruins out of a spot….I'm also glad they'll soon be gone, too.
Not once did I hear Hughson, Simpson, or Healy say that the head doesn't need to be contacted to jar the brain….especially if there have been prior concussions.
That was a tight sandwich hit against the boards….maybe Orpik's head hit the glass…but it didn't have to. Just the quick back-and-forth slosh would do it.
Orpik has certainly dished out his share of dirt/borderline hits.
I'm really surprised that Orlov got up, though…let alone that he remained in the game. Wouldn't be surprised if he sat out until the next round. I would imagine his neck will tighten up big-time tonight….
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2016 21:55:43 GMT -5
Shear dumb luck that Orlov doesn't have a serious neck injury.
Very true that head contact isn't a prerequisite for a concussion. Orpik had dished out some big ones in this series alone. That one, while hard, really didn't look all that vicious to me. I would be interesting to study the likelihood of further concussions that cause the brain to contact the skull in the same place previous ones occurred. I have no clue what sorts of hits caused Brooks prior concussions. Does it matter whether subsequent hits cause the brain to move in the same way, or is it simply enough force to move it? This hit came from the side. His brain likely moved in a west to east motion. Did he incur a concussion in the same way before? Food for thought.
I guess things got pretty ugly off the ice in Philly too. Cameras caught a fan throwing a wrist band given out to celebrate the life of late owner Ed Snider. It nearly hit Orlov in the face while he was being worked on on the bench.
I really thought the Flyers would be better in this, but losing Coutourier, no-shows from Simmonds and Giroux, terrible penalty killing, and bad goals against Mason all add up to the 0-3 hole they're in.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 18, 2016 22:20:40 GMT -5
Fans were throwing those bracelets on the ice, too….after the call on Bellemare (Orlov). Refs warned the crowd, then had to call a penalty for it.
How could they possibly think that was a bad call?
Unless they were protesting their own team….which could've been the case. There were boos during the second period lacklustre PPs. Many left after it was 4-1 knowing the series was over.
White's hit may have done some damage to the Caps going forward. Orpik is a big part of their D….and I can't see him returning soon. He was basically out on his feet….
Flyers fans might be saying that White was one of the only guys to show up tonight….but he's still a loose cannon.
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Post by blny on Apr 18, 2016 22:38:48 GMT -5
Definitely don't see Orpik back soon. He and Niskanen were integral signings. Caps defense coach was with both players in Pittsburgh apparently.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 19, 2016 1:19:04 GMT -5
Someone needs to do a PhD thesis on Woodpeckers and why they don't get concussions. Maybe they could design a new helmet. Shock absorbers with wave cancelling technology or something like that.
I thought Orpik's shoulder took most of the brunt and thought it was a separated shoulder at first. Concussion, huh? (It's obvious that I'm surfing through tv without sticking on any one game). I'm missing a lot of hockey this post-season. Took in the Raptors game instead, and a replay of the Blue Jays win today. Hear that, Rogers? Gotta revamp the CAP to get more Canadian teams into the playoffs. (Like a 20% bonus because of our tax structure),
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2016 6:32:33 GMT -5
I asked about how Jonathan Drouin was doing earlier and I see, statistically speaking, he's been a non-factor ... what's with all the media hype around Drouin ... he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level ...
Cheers.
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2016 7:49:19 GMT -5
I asked about how Jonathan Drouin was doing earlier and I see, statistically speaking, he's been a non-factor ... what's with all the media hype around Drouin ... he hasn't proven anything at the NHL level ... Cheers. He's actually been a presence in the series with Detroit. He's displayed his skill, and a level of angst and chippy play that we're familiar with in Halifax. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2016 8:17:16 GMT -5
jkr, he's sending a message as a result of this horrible play by Bellemare that got 5,10 and game. He should be suspended for a while for this. At least Bellemare looked remorseful. He stayed with Orlov while everyone else was scrumming. He looked genuinely upset about his it. |
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