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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2016 8:17:47 GMT -5
While White's hit did not look like it was a head shot, nor did he leave his feet, nor was it technically late, I thought it was a clear penalty.
It was clearly charging. He took about 12 strides, and went it a direct b-line to cream Orpik.
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2016 9:08:23 GMT -5
I agree, Skilly….charging at the very least….
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Post by seventeen on Apr 19, 2016 14:13:27 GMT -5
TV ratings in Canada are down 61%. Feeling any pain, Mr. Bettman?
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2016 16:05:07 GMT -5
All teams have the "Idiotic Fans + Alcohol Factor", but Philly may have more than their share.... |
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2016 17:24:07 GMT -5
NHL continues to show how terrible it is. Remorse or not, Bellmare deserved way more than the one game the league gave him today.
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2016 18:06:46 GMT -5
NHL continues to show how terrible it is. Remorse or not, Bellmare deserved way more than the one game the league gave him today. Typical. Orlov's not seriously hurt so a one gamer.  |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2016 18:06:55 GMT -5
NHL continues to show how terrible it is. Remorse or not, Bellmare deserved way more than the one game the league gave him today. Nick Kypreos was on Tim and Sid today saying the hit was perfectly legal because Orlov looked over his shoulder "multiple times and just got outmuscled". He further went on to ask "if that hit happens in the Conference Final or Stanley Cup Final do we want it to be a penalty?" .... This is why hockey needs legal action, too many bafoons with a platform to spew the "I've played the game" crap and claim to be apart of the inner circle with the best interest of the game at heart. That hit was getting 4-5 games in the regular season. It should get 4-5 games now. The situation matters not, the act is all that counts, IMO. As for these idiots that say no one ever got hurt in a fight, or no one ever got a concussion in a fight .... Ask Raitis Ivanans about that |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2016 19:16:53 GMT -5
I wonder if hockey's-a-man's-game clarion Don Cherry would agree with Kypreos et al...or stay true to his STOP SIGN helmet decals, which he funded in 2009 to support the STOP SIGN jersey patches which became mandatory in the OMHA in 2003. CHERRY: “I am very happy to be working with the OMHA on the STOP decal program for helmets. It has been a long hard struggle, but thanks to the OMHA and guys like Ken Catania who was the driving force behind this venture, we are on our way. To have Hockey Canada and the OHF with us is as they say the “cherry on top,” says Cherry. “Let me explain why I feel this venture is so important. When a player is cross-checking a player from behind, he is looking directly at the back of the helmet where our STOP decal will be. I feel this decal will prevent a lot of injuries. If we can help one kid it is worth the effort. So come on GMs and coaches – let’s get aboard and help our kids.”
The STOP Program helmet decal is not a replacement for the three-inch patch worn on the back of hockey jerseys above the letters. It’s another method to promote the program and awareness that checking from behind is not acceptable in hockey. The STOP Program patch and helmet decal’s purpose is a visual reminder for players for when they see the STOP symbol, they should immediately STOP from hitting the opposing player from behind.Yet, the Neanderthal Hockey Leaguers still place a lot of culpability on the victim. |
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2016 19:24:54 GMT -5
 "He was sorry, and this is his first offense. We can't quantify or qualify intent. One game." |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2016 19:45:02 GMT -5
If Orlov had sustained Pacioretty-type injuries, Bellemare would be suspended into next season.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 19, 2016 20:56:00 GMT -5
Jonathan Drouin with three helpers tonight ... don't know where they'd be without him ... answers my question ...
Cheers.
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Post by jkr on Apr 19, 2016 21:14:18 GMT -5
NHL continues to show how terrible it is. Remorse or not, Bellmare deserved way more than the one game the league gave him today. Nick Kypreos was on Tim and Sid today saying the hit was perfectly legal because Orlov looked over his shoulder "multiple times and just got outmuscled". He further went on to ask "if that hit happens in the Conference Final or Stanley Cup Final do we want it to be a penalty?" .... This is why hockey needs legal action, too many bafoons with a platform to spew the "I've played the game" crap and claim to be apart of the inner circle with the best interest of the game at heart. That hit was getting 4-5 games in the regular season. It should get 4-5 games now. The situation matters not, the act is all that counts, IMO. As for these idiots that say no one ever got hurt in a fight, or no one ever got a concussion in a fight .... Ask Raitis Ivanans about that What does looking back have to do with anything? He still got drilled from behind. Even Bellmare knew it was wrong. Did the hosts say anything or were they too enthralled by their guest? Part of this platform is that the hosts are unwilling to challenge their guest (Ron Mclean is the poster boy for this). |
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Post by blny on Apr 19, 2016 21:25:37 GMT -5
Nick Kypreos was on Tim and Sid today saying the hit was perfectly legal because Orlov looked over his shoulder "multiple times and just got outmuscled". He further went on to ask "if that hit happens in the Conference Final or Stanley Cup Final do we want it to be a penalty?" .... This is why hockey needs legal action, too many bafoons with a platform to spew the "I've played the game" crap and claim to be apart of the inner circle with the best interest of the game at heart. That hit was getting 4-5 games in the regular season. It should get 4-5 games now. The situation matters not, the act is all that counts, IMO. As for these idiots that say no one ever got hurt in a fight, or no one ever got a concussion in a fight .... Ask Raitis Ivanans about that What does looking back have to do with anything? He still got drilled from behind. Even Bellmare knew it was wrong. Did the hosts say anything or were they too enthralled by their guest? Part of this platform is that the hosts are unwilling to challenge their guest (Ron Mclean is the poster boy for this). That wasn't always the case, but from the passing of Don's wife Rose he's given Don a free pass every Saturday night. |
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Post by Skilly on Apr 19, 2016 22:25:40 GMT -5
Nick Kypreos was on Tim and Sid today saying the hit was perfectly legal because Orlov looked over his shoulder "multiple times and just got outmuscled". He further went on to ask "if that hit happens in the Conference Final or Stanley Cup Final do we want it to be a penalty?" .... This is why hockey needs legal action, too many bafoons with a platform to spew the "I've played the game" crap and claim to be apart of the inner circle with the best interest of the game at heart. That hit was getting 4-5 games in the regular season. It should get 4-5 games now. The situation matters not, the act is all that counts, IMO. As for these idiots that say no one ever got hurt in a fight, or no one ever got a concussion in a fight .... Ask Raitis Ivanans about that What does looking back have to do with anything? He still got drilled from behind. Even Bellmare knew it was wrong. Did the hosts say anything or were they too enthralled by their guest? Part of this platform is that the hosts are unwilling to challenge their guest (Ron Mclean is the poster boy for this). Prior to Kypreos coming on, Tim Micalief (sp?) went on a soliloquy about how he felt that in the regular season a hit like that got the book thrown at them, and how he didn't understand why in the playoffs the standard on "a dangerous play" changes. When Kypreos joined via satellite , they pretty much gave Kipper the floor without too much of a challenge. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 19, 2016 23:01:01 GMT -5
I find that popular sports' radio hosts are knowledgeable enough, but they're personalities/entertainers, first and foremost.
They usually start with their position....take some calls....debate with co-host or producer....but when an "expert" or "pundit" comes on as a guest, they tend to go easy should that opinion differ.
They need guests who have contacts, deeper insight, etc., so it's in their best interest to not be argumentative....
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Post by franko on Apr 20, 2016 5:50:06 GMT -5
Prior to Kypreos coming on, Tim Micalief (sp?) went on a soliloquy about how he felt that in the regular season a hit like that got the book thrown at them, and how he didn't understand why in the playoffs the standard on "a dangerous play" changes. or why there isn't a standard but punishment is a flip of the coin/roll of the dice/shot at the dart board. non one -- players, refs, management -- even the committee itself -- knows from one day to the next what to expect. |
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Post by franko on Apr 20, 2016 7:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Apr 20, 2016 8:12:34 GMT -5
I'm one of the 39% watching, but ... Of those 61% 1. Some will likely have moved on to their favorite junior team. Their NHL team is out, so root for a junior team vying for the Memorial Cup. 2. More and more people are cutting the cord. There are a myriad of sites people who are internet savvy can go to and find live streams of games. No cable. No Game Center subscription - only to find out the game you want to watch is blacked out in your area. Black market? Sure. But, I imagine there are a significant number of people watching that way and it doesn't show up. Regardless, it's all a black eye for Rogers. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 20, 2016 8:26:44 GMT -5
I don't understand the sentiment against Rogers and/or Bettman.
It's not their fault all 7 Canadian-based teams weren't good enough to make the playoffs.
Only common sense that Canadian ratings would be significantly down.
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Glad to see Chicago down 3-1 heading back to St. Louis.
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Post by blny on Apr 20, 2016 8:42:32 GMT -5
I don't understand the sentiment against Rogers and/or Bettman. It's not their fault all 7 Canadian-based teams weren't good enough to make the playoffs. Only common sense that Canadian ratings would be significantly down. ================================= Glad to see Chicago down 3-1 heading back to St. Louis. I just think people are fed up with the Rogers product, regardless of the Canadian content. |
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Post by CentreHice on Apr 20, 2016 8:58:16 GMT -5
What's so unwatchable about the Rogers product? Can it really be all about Strombo as host? I think that's petty.
If your team's not involved, interest wanes dramatically...regardless of production values/formats.
If the Leafs were winning, everything would be just fine....
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 20, 2016 9:41:02 GMT -5
What's so unwatchable about the Rogers product? If your team's not involved, interest wanes dramatically...regardless of production values/formats. It's not as black and white for me, CH ... sure, the main reason I'm not watching hockey is because the Habs aren't playing, but at the same time I still haven't gotten used to the Sportsnet hockey panels or the format ... for me, I used to like the "after 40 minutes" segment in the second intermission but the new format (and panel) is taking longer for me to adjust to ... I'm still more apt to listen to the pundits I know, rather than trying to get used to the new panel on Sportsnet ... I remember in the past tuning into the between-periods shows HNIC had on if I came onto it while surfing ... I don't do that at all with Sportsnet ... it's hard for me to describe, CH ... it's like getting used to a guy like Rod Smith (TSN) back in the day and thinking how green the guy was ... it took some getting used to, but he eventually grew into his position ... I see Strombo in the same light ... as much as I like him, he and his peers just don't do it for me ... not yet, anyway ... maybe he'll grow into the job like Smith did ... dunno ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Apr 20, 2016 10:12:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's all about Strombo. However, I look at the choice they made and the fact they passed over some loyal guys like Oake and Russell. The latter had done a lot of studio work over the years (HNIC included). When Cuthbert left the CBC for TSN, it would have been easy for others to follow.
I think George was a blatant attempt to attract a younger audience. Unfortunately, perhaps, the younger audience is the least likely to be home on a Saturday night. I miss "After 40" too. I liked the debate format. Table an issue, and let them go. I particularly enjoyed the era when Al Strachan would go out of his way to infuriate Milbury lol. I think Friedman can handle that format, and Weekes could have. Kipper and Stock don't have the vocabulary or intellect to keep up.
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Post by franko on Apr 20, 2016 10:12:05 GMT -5
What's so unwatchable about the Rogers product? If your team's not involved, interest wanes dramatically...regardless of production values/formats. It's not as black and white for me, CH ... sure, the main reason I'm not watching hockey is because the Habs aren't playing, but at the same time I still haven't gotten used to the Sportsnet hockey panels or the format ... for me, I used to like the "after 40 minutes" segment in the second intermission but the new format (and panel) is taking longer for me to adjust to ... I'm still more apt to listen to the pundits I know, rather than trying to get used to the new panel on Sportsnet ... I remember in the past tuning into the between-periods shows HNIC had on if I came onto it while surfing ... I don't do that at all with Sportsnet ... it's hard for me to describe, CH ... it's like getting used to a guy like Rod Smith (TSN) back in the day and thinking how green the guy was ... it took some getting used to, but he eventually grew into his position ... I see Strombo in the same light ... as much as I like him, he and his peers just don't do it for me ... not yet, anyway ... maybe he'll grow into the job like Smith did ... dunno ... Cheers. funny thing,Rogers held a lot of focus groups across Canada and this is what they decided people wanted . . . only to find that they didn't want it after all. can't believe that so many think that Cherry>Strombo after all the whining that he was out of touch. change is hard. |
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Post by blny on Apr 20, 2016 10:17:31 GMT -5
It's not as black and white for me, CH ... sure, the main reason I'm not watching hockey is because the Habs aren't playing, but at the same time I still haven't gotten used to the Sportsnet hockey panels or the format ... for me, I used to like the "after 40 minutes" segment in the second intermission but the new format (and panel) is taking longer for me to adjust to ... I'm still more apt to listen to the pundits I know, rather than trying to get used to the new panel on Sportsnet ... I remember in the past tuning into the between-periods shows HNIC had on if I came onto it while surfing ... I don't do that at all with Sportsnet ... it's hard for me to describe, CH ... it's like getting used to a guy like Rod Smith (TSN) back in the day and thinking how green the guy was ... it took some getting used to, but he eventually grew into his position ... I see Strombo in the same light ... as much as I like him, he and his peers just don't do it for me ... not yet, anyway ... maybe he'll grow into the job like Smith did ... dunno ... Cheers. funny thing,Rogers held a lot of focus groups across Canada and this is what they decided people wanted . . . only to find that they didn't want it after all. can't believe that so many think that Cherry>Strombo after all the whining that he was out of touch. change is hard. I'm not sold that those who may be anti Strombo are pro Cherry. I think they would just prefer a 'hockey guy' in the chair. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 20, 2016 10:28:26 GMT -5
Much harder as we grow older ... Cheers. |
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Post by franko on Apr 20, 2016 10:42:04 GMT -5
funny thing,Rogers held a lot of focus groups across Canada and this is what they decided people wanted . . . only to find that they didn't want it after all. can't believe that so many think that Cherry>Strombo after all the whining that he was out of touch. change is hard. I'm not sold that those who may be anti Strombo are pro Cherry. I think they would just prefer a 'hockey guy' in the chair. enough of them are . . . maybe not totally pro-Cherry, but looking back to the good old days when he was in the chair [isn't he still, albeit for 5 minutes instead of 7?]. can't believe the complaints about Rogers' coverage: used to have a Saturday game at 7:00 and one at 10; now if you channel hop you get a bunch. go back to HNIC-CBC coverage and the whining will start up again the other way, wanting Rogers to come back. |
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Post by blny on Apr 20, 2016 11:24:36 GMT -5
I'm not sold that those who may be anti Strombo are pro Cherry. I think they would just prefer a 'hockey guy' in the chair. enough of them are . . . maybe not totally pro-Cherry, but looking back to the good old days when he was in the chair [isn't he still, albeit for 5 minutes instead of 7?]. can't believe the complaints about Rogers' coverage: used to have a Saturday game at 7:00 and one at 10; now if you channel hop you get a bunch. go back to HNIC-CBC coverage and the whining will start up again the other way, wanting Rogers to come back. Perhaps my biggest gripe is that both sides of the border are sponging off one another. It used to be, if I tuned into CBC to watch a game I got CBC announcers. It didn't matter where the game was. Now? Rogers is renting broadcasts off NBC, MSNBC, USA, etc. and airing them on CBC, Sportsnet, 360, and OLN. |
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Post by franko on Apr 20, 2016 11:27:28 GMT -5
enough of them are . . . maybe not totally pro-Cherry, but looking back to the good old days when he was in the chair [isn't he still, albeit for 5 minutes instead of 7?]. can't believe the complaints about Rogers' coverage: used to have a Saturday game at 7:00 and one at 10; now if you channel hop you get a bunch. go back to HNIC-CBC coverage and the whining will start up again the other way, wanting Rogers to come back. Perhaps my biggest gripe is that both sides of the border are sponging off one another. It used to be, if I tuned into CBC to watch a game I got CBC announcers. It didn't matter where the game was. Now? Rogers is renting broadcasts off NBC, MSNBC, USA, etc. and airing them on CBC, Sportsnet, 360, and OLN. true, but it used to be that if you tuned in to CBC you'd be limited in teh number of games you could watch; maybe NBC would air one; Versus was touch and go if you'd get it . . . now if there's a game on you're likely to get it on one SN channel or another. but I don't like the blackouts -- I had hoped they'd be done with. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 20, 2016 11:46:51 GMT -5
Jonathan Drouin with three helpers tonight ... don't know where they'd be without him ... answers my question ... Cheers. Drouin is going to have to adjust, though (what? already?). He's a pass first guy and it won't take long for defenders to give him the shot and take away the pass. At least two of the goals last night were because defenders fell for his 'possible' shot. Nice passes, but once players are expecting them, he's going to have to shoot to even it out. Don't we have a guy like that on our team, who's point totals have dropped a lot? |
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