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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2016 2:14:44 GMT -5
The 3rd round pick would be awesome, but if we keep the 9th, I'm hoping Keller lasts till then. Aside from the top 3, he and Nylander have the highest offensive upside in the draft, according to McKenzie.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 21, 2016 5:00:48 GMT -5
Thanks Gnick. All this uncertainty is why Berg gets paid the big bucks, if he is able to see through the noise. I've always believed there are some qualities in a player that lead to a high likelihood of success and it usually isn't talent, which is a requirement in any case. I've noticed that if a guy is driven and almost obsessed with the game (typically a rink rat), they're more likely to achieve their goals. I still recall the comments about Joe Sakic as a juniour...that the puck followed him around and if he didn't have it, he was like a man possessed to get it back. Yet he was only the 15th pick in the 887 draft. The only centre picked ahead of him was Pierre Turgeon, while Brendan Shanahan went 2nd. When you see the list of guys picked ahead of Sakic, it makes you cry. Even some guys who were fine NHLr's should never have gone before Sakic (in hindsight). These include Glen Wesley, Wayne McBean, Chris Joseph, Dave Archibald, LUke Richardson, Jimmy Waite, Bryan Fogarty, Jayson More, Yves Racine, Keith Osborne, Dean Chynoweth and Stephane Quintal. Our pick came two choices after Sakic with Andrew Cassels. It was one of the most disappointing drafts for me. I was so hopeful Sakic would drop two more spots. Anyway, Sakic isn't the only guy you hear those terms about. Guys whose whole life revolves around hockey, while not having the most balanced life, often become very good or great players (Gallagher ring a bell?). I'd have that characteristic of being driven right up there with skating and hockey IQ. You can improve skating a bit with coaching, but you can't make someone smarter or more aware or more focused on getting better. Yes, this year has some real question marks after the first 3 picks. It's hard to figure out the next level and team preferences will really skew the order of picks. I suspect Keller, as you say, is going to go higher than 10th and I also suspect Jost will fall a bit. While the BCHL is a decent league, it's not the CHL so Jost's competition isn't as tough as some other guys. Having said that, both Brett Hull and Paul Kariya came out of Penticton in the BCHL (guess where Jost played?) and they turned out ok. Can't wait till this weekend. I never seen Jost play, those comments came from McCagg. How do you project him at NHL level? A Tyler Bozak type |
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Post by blny on Jun 21, 2016 5:53:58 GMT -5
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Post by HABSINFL on Jun 21, 2016 12:03:07 GMT -5
It seems every mock draft has us drafting Logan Brown a 6-6 center. I am not sure how I feel about it. Is he another McCarran? Third line potential. Interested to hear your thoughts. I'm holding out hope that we trade with Columbus or Edmonton and draft Puj or Dubois I would certainly like that. Dubois would be my first choice. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 21, 2016 12:49:33 GMT -5
It seems every mock draft has us drafting Logan Brown a 6-6 center. I am not sure how I feel about it. Is he another McCarran? Third line potential. Interested to hear your thoughts. I'm holding out hope that we trade with Columbus or Edmonton and draft Puj or Dubois I would certainly like that. Dubois would be my first choice. I'm thinking most, if not all, of the teams have their pecking order already done so I don't put too much into the final order ... I'd like to see Pierre-Luc Dubois come to Montreal, but if he's gone I'd like to see Logan Brown in town ... I have no way of knowing one way or the other, but I suspect he'll be gone, too, by the time Trevor Timmins selects at #9 ... I don't know, man ... throw a dart at the dart board ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on Jun 21, 2016 13:06:33 GMT -5
Brown's a boring pick imo. If we're picking in the same spot we have been, sure. If we're not picking left side defense we should be looking for offensively gifted players that skate really well.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 21, 2016 13:11:13 GMT -5
I never seen Jost play, those comments came from McCagg. How do you project him at NHL level? A Tyler Bozak type McKenzie's summary compares him to a Toews type. Not as big or skilled, but the same leadership and tenacity qualities. His scoring stats are pretty good, so better than Bozak, but not Toews quality. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 21, 2016 13:28:52 GMT -5
Everything looks fluid outside the top three.
It would be nice to pick Dubois. But for a club like Montreal with a relatively weak secondary core compared the serious contenders, I am not sure the assets are there to move up and simultaneously keep the Habs in best position to win now.
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 21, 2016 13:35:14 GMT -5
It seems every mock draft has us drafting Logan Brown a 6-6 center. I am not sure how I feel about it. Is he another McCarran? Third line potential. Interested to hear your thoughts. I'm holding out hope that we trade with Columbus or Edmonton and draft Puj or Dubois Brown is a possibility, he'll go around there. |
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Post by Andrew on Jun 21, 2016 14:34:15 GMT -5
It seems every mock draft has us drafting Logan Brown a 6-6 center. I am not sure how I feel about it. Is he another McCarran? Third line potential. Interested to hear your thoughts. I'm holding out hope that we trade with Columbus or Edmonton and draft Puj or Dubois Brown is a possibility, he'll go around there. My reservation with Brown is that I don't believe there's ever been an impact scoring forward above 6'5, and even at 6'5 there have only been 2-3 (Sundin, Arnott, Wheeler). 6'4 seems to be the sweet spot for big forwards able to produce offensively at an elite level. I'll stick to that belief until a player comes along to prove otherwise. Could Brown be that guy? Maybe, but I wouldn't wager a top 10 pick to find out. |
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Post by PTH on Jun 21, 2016 18:26:20 GMT -5
Brown is a possibility, he'll go around there. My reservation with Brown is that I don't believe there's ever been an impact scoring forward above 6'5, and even at 6'5 there have only been 2-3 (Sundin, Arnott, Wheeler). 6'4 seems to be the sweet spot for big forwards able to produce offensively at an elite level. I'll stick to that belief until a player comes along to prove otherwise. Could Brown be that guy? Maybe, but I wouldn't wager a top 10 pick to find out. Same here. I just worry they'll pick him to make sure they have someone who makes it, even if he might just be a 3d liner. I have the same concern with McCarron, but a top 10 pick should be a guy who can be a top-liner, a second-liner if he doesn't live up to all of his potential, and if he busts, so be it. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 21, 2016 18:45:00 GMT -5
Brown is a possibility, he'll go around there. My reservation with Brown is that I don't believe there's ever been an impact scoring forward above 6'5, and even at 6'5 there have only been 2-3 (Sundin, Arnott, Wheeler). 6'4 seems to be the sweet spot for big forwards able to produce offensively at an elite level. I'll stick to that belief until a player comes along to prove otherwise. Could Brown be that guy? Maybe, but I wouldn't wager a top 10 pick to find out. Nik Antropov , for a year or two |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 21, 2016 18:49:14 GMT -5
I just worry they'll pick him to make sure they have someone who makes it, even if he might just be a 3d liner. That's pretty much what I'm hoping for ... just improve the team ... Cheers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 22, 2016 4:24:24 GMT -5
Brown is a possibility, he'll go around there. My reservation with Brown is that I don't believe there's ever been an impact scoring forward above 6'5, and even at 6'5 there have only been 2-3 (Sundin, Arnott, Wheeler). 6'4 seems to be the sweet spot for big forwards able to produce offensively at an elite level. I'll stick to that belief until a player comes along to prove otherwise. Could Brown be that guy? Maybe, but I wouldn't wager a top 10 pick to find out. I got no problem if they take Brown at 9. But he is not my choice. Not a fan of bloodline players to start with. Too many bad experiences ie. Tinordi, Hossa, etc... I find they generally have an advantage in junior over others which disappears as they turn pro. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 22, 2016 4:27:21 GMT -5
I never seen Jost play, those comments came from McCagg. How do you project him at NHL level? A Tyler Bozak type McKenzie's summary compares him to a Toews type. Not as big or skilled, but the same leadership and tenacity qualities. His scoring stats are pretty good, so better than Bozak, but not Toews quality. Sportsnet did a real impressive profile of Jost today also. Maybe he be our pick. |
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 18:25:13 GMT -5
1 Toronto Maple Leafs Matthews
2 Winnipeg Jets Laine
3 Columbus Blue Jackets Dubois First surprise. He can play center and wing.
4 Edmonton Oilers Puljujarvi
5 Vancouver Canucks Juolevi bit of a surprise, but very good player
6 Calgary Flames Tkachuk
7 Arizona Coyotes Keller
8 Buffalo Sabres Nylander
9 Montreal Canadiens Sergachev
10 Colorado Avalanche Jost
11 New Jersey Devils Traded to OttawaBrown
12 Ottawa Senators Traded to NJ with a 3rd this yearMcLeod
13 Carolina Hurricanes Bean
14 Boston Bruins McAvoy
15 Minnesota Wild Kunin
16 Detroit Red Wings traded to Arizona with Datsyuk's cap hitChychrun
17 Nashville Predators Fabbro
18 Philadelphia Flyers traded with 3rd this year to WinnipegStanley
19 New York Islanders Bellows
20 Arizona Coyotes (from NY Rangers) traded to DetroitCholowski
21 Carolina Hurricanes (from Los Angeles)Gauthier
22 Winnipeg Jets (from Chicago) traded to Philadelphia with 2nd and 3rdRubstov
23 Florida Panthers Borgstrom
24 Anaheim Ducks Jones
25 Dallas Stars Tufte
26 Washington Capitals traded to Blues for #28 and a thirdThompson
27 Tampa Bay Lightning Howden
28 St. Louis Blues traded to Caps for #26Johansen
29 Boston Bruins (from San Jose)Frederic - off the board a bit.
30 Anaheim Ducks (from Pittsburgh via Toronto)Steel
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Post by jkr on Jun 24, 2016 18:56:07 GMT -5
Wow - has Keith Tkachuk ever put on a lot of weight.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 19:00:06 GMT -5
Wow - has Keith Tkachuk ever put on a lot of weight. He's a blimp, and that's coming from a guy 20lbs over weight lol. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 24, 2016 19:04:53 GMT -5
hmmm Keller changes things. Now there's the chance of nylander.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 19:07:15 GMT -5
hmmm Keller changes things. Now there's the chance of nylander. Nylander has a serious set of shoulders on him if you saw the pic from the combine. Keller goes a little higher, but his skill is undeniable. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 24, 2016 19:11:01 GMT -5
hmmmm guess it's Sergachev?
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 19:11:12 GMT -5
Sergachev is there ...
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 19:17:47 GMT -5
Gotta say I like the pick. Size, skill, shot, physicality. He's got all the tools.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2016 19:24:27 GMT -5
I like the pick. This kid has mans body, so he may prove valuable in this current window for winning.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 24, 2016 19:55:59 GMT -5
churykin dropping hard.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 20:02:53 GMT -5
Kunin makes 5 St Louis area minor league players drafted so far.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 20:05:55 GMT -5
McKenzie had him at 13, but he started the year as the #2 ranked prospect. |
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 20:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 24, 2016 20:16:00 GMT -5
Damm you Detroit. They got rid of Datsyuk contract.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2016 20:17:25 GMT -5
Damm you Detroit. They got rid of Datsyuk contract. Big deal. Wings get Vitale and a second next year. They're in play for Stamkos now easily. |
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