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Post by folatre on Jan 22, 2017 22:56:54 GMT -5
Boston is in trouble. As noted correctly, Bruins are not deep club in any segment of the game. Backup goalies are league worst awful. D-corps probably lacks anything resembling top two. There is basically no scoring on the bottom two lines. For me Julien seems least of organizations problems.
Bergevin is job secure, so even if Julien is on market very soon it is not really an issue for Therrien.
It is strange though to see the transformation of expectations when Therrien now resides in position number four in games coached in history of glorious club and he never delivered a single piece (not even conference) silverware in trophy case. It is a different league and at times there is no clear value in chasing off competent coaches because top prize elude them, but for me it is obvious the mandate of excellence exists no more.
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2017 0:50:47 GMT -5
Boston missed the boat in a couple of areas. - They failed to transition effectively from the team that won the cup. They allowed the players that made up that identity to leave via ufa, trade, poor cap mgt, etc. Those players that left were not replaced with younger guys to fill those roles.
- They have a few pieces that can play the game the way it is now - Pastrnak, Marchand, Krug - but don't have enough of a supporting cast.
- They had a big opportunity to address organizational depth in 2015 with 3 first round picks. They drafted Zboril, Debrusk, and Senyshyn. Zboril may develop, but Debrusk doesn't look like he's going to add goals. Senyshyn might, but he's in his fourth year of junior so a ppg player with that level of experience wouldn't get me all that excited. They could have had Barzal, Chabot, White, Samsonov, Boeser (guys who were impact players at the WJC this year, minus Boeser), or Konecny and Beauvillier(who are making impacts with the Flyers and Islanders). Many fans panned their selections that year.
* They did pick McAvoy with their first in 2016. He's a promising defender; a Krug with size. Adapt or die. So, they're in limbo. They might have a coach that can coach the game the way it's being played now. They don't have the players and we'll see if they have the mgt. |
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Post by blny on Jan 23, 2017 13:46:57 GMT -5
Julien may have put the final nail in his coffin. Apparently he was quoted saying, "this team is not talented enough."
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 23, 2017 14:16:19 GMT -5
Julien may have put the final nail in his coffin. Apparently he was quoted saying, "this team is not talented enough." Don Sweeney agreed with him when he said that he'd have to provide Claude Julien with better players (rather than fire him) ... that's changed since then, I guess ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 23, 2017 15:49:57 GMT -5
I'm not saying their resumes are the same. I just don't want to go down that path again. If Therrien goes, I want new blood. Of course, that likely means Berg is gone too. A lot, if not most good coaches, have been fired by other teams before taking off. Bruce Boudreau may be the best coach around today and he's been fired twice. Quenneville was fired. Sutter's been fired. They are all good coaches who were let go because their GM's needed a reason for lack of team success. New coaches simply learn on the job until they're fired. IMO, if a proven, good coach is available, you go with them knowing that you've ticked one box on the checklist. Hypothetically, because Julien still works for the Bruins and Therrien's not being let go ever, Habs could hire Dom Ducharme for example and he'd take a couple of years just learning how to handle pro players, making newcomer mistakes and learning how to be a good pro coach. Nope, my short list would be coaches who have had success in the past in other leagues, been hired by an NHL team, then fired, and are now available. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 23, 2017 15:52:40 GMT -5
Julien may have put the final nail in his coffin. Apparently he was quoted saying, "this team is not talented enough." Don Sweeney agreed with him when he said that he'd have to provide Claude Julien with better players (rather than fire him) ... that's changed since then, I guess ... Cheers. Jacobs is not satisfied with Julien, so it doesn't matter what Sweeney or Neely think. I suspect it's only a matter of time. It's very unlikely the Bruins make the playoffs this year and as that becomes more apparent, the pressure will rise. It's another Gallant situation. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 23, 2017 16:09:17 GMT -5
Boston missed the boat in a couple of areas. - They failed to transition effectively from the team that won the cup. They allowed the players that made up that identity to leave via ufa, trade, poor cap mgt, etc. Those players that left were not replaced with younger guys to fill those roles.
- They have a few pieces that can play the game the way it is now - Pastrnak, Marchand, Krug - but don't have enough of a supporting cast.
- They had a big opportunity to address organizational depth in 2015 with 3 first round picks. They drafted Zboril, Debrusk, and Senyshyn. Zboril may develop, but Debrusk doesn't look like he's going to add goals. Senyshyn might, but he's in his fourth year of junior so a ppg player with that level of experience wouldn't get me all that excited. They could have had Barzal, Chabot, White, Samsonov, Boeser (guys who were impact players at the WJC this year, minus Boeser), or Konecny and Beauvillier(who are making impacts with the Flyers and Islanders). Many fans panned their selections that year.
* They did pick McAvoy with their first in 2016. He's a promising defender; a Krug with size. Adapt or die. So, they're in limbo. They might have a coach that can coach the game the way it's being played now. They don't have the players and we'll see if they have the mgt. The failing that's killing them is their drafting. From 2007 (the year after they drafted Lucic, Marchand,and Kessel), their top picks have been (rounds 1 & 2) 2007 - Zach Hamill and Tommy Cross, 2008 - Joe Colborne and Maxime Sauve 2009 - Jordan Caron (no 2nd rounder) 2010 - Tyler Seguin, Jared Knight and Ryan Spooner 2011 - Dougie Hamilton and Alexander Khokhlachev 2012 - Malcolm Subban (no 2nd rounder) 2013 - no 1st rounder and Linus Arnesson 2014 - David Pastrnak and Ryan Donato They didn't have any good later round picks either. Add to the above the fact they gave away Seguin and probably Hamilton and its no wonder the cupboard is bare. The important people in any organization are the scouting and development group There's not a lot to show since Bergevin took over, but Lehkonen looks really good and at least we have Scherbak and McCarron coming up. Trading some 2nd rounders hurt. I'm leaving out 2015 and 2016 drafts because it's too soon to tell. Anyway, the finger's being pointed at Julien, but it's Chiarelli who should be blamed. Edmonton fans should be wary. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 24, 2017 7:44:03 GMT -5
New coaches simply learn on the job until they're fired. IMO, if a proven, good coach is available, who hasn't yet won a Stanley Cup you go with them knowing that you've ticked one box on the checklist. Fixed it for you. I'll take NHL COACHES for $2000, Alex. Answer: Scotty Bowman Who is the only coach since 1967 to win a Stanley Cup with more than ONE team? |
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Post by blny on Jan 24, 2017 8:03:12 GMT -5
New blood doesn't necessarily mean rookie NHL. Just means no one that's been with montreal before.
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Post by jkr on Jan 24, 2017 8:13:48 GMT -5
The leash is short. I'm not interested in going from one retread to another. Retread #1 - MT - Won a Memorial Cup in 1996 with Granby. Since then = zero championships. Wasn't able to win big with Crosby and Malkin and Letang. Retread #2, Claude Julien - Memorial Cup with Hull (Gatineau) in 1997. Stanley Cup in 2011 with (ugh) the Bruins. Julien was let go twice for very odd reasons. Gainey fired him despite a 19-16-6 record with Theodore stinking the joint out. Then Lamoriello fired him in 2007 after leading the Devils to a 47-24-8 record (.646). Both firings were unwarranted IMO. Lamoriello's factual reason? - "Julien didn't have the Devils ready for the playoffs". Julien has also been an assistant coach on the 2014 Canadian Olympic team and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey team. Not too shabby a resume. He's quite a different coach from Therrien. The Bruins have basically destroyed a pretty good team in the last 3 years and he's done a lot to keep them competitive. Not that there's any chance Bergevin will hire him, but I would. They have traded good players (Seguin, Hamilton, Boychuk) & now have little to show for it. And Chara , IMO, is just not a force anymore. |
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Post by franko on Jan 24, 2017 9:57:54 GMT -5
I'll take NHL COACHES for $2000, Alex. Answer: Scotty Bowman Who is the only coach since 1967 to win a Stanley Cup with more than ONE team? true, but you have asked the question too soon. Babcock will do it, Detroit and Toronto. I know he will.You konw he will. everyone knows he will. just give him credit early, why dontcha? what are you, anti-hockey? |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 29, 2017 18:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jan 29, 2017 20:09:01 GMT -5
... and now back to the business at hand. I will say that I liked the Atlantic and Central uniforms. Along with the Metro and Pacific, they did a good job incorporating past and present Kings colours.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 29, 2017 20:12:18 GMT -5
NHL All Star Game = *yawn*
No one even remotely looked like they were trying. A total joke
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 30, 2017 7:40:26 GMT -5
Boston missed the boat in a couple of areas. - They failed to transition effectively from the team that won the cup. They allowed the players that made up that identity to leave via ufa, trade, poor cap mgt, etc. Those players that left were not replaced with younger guys to fill those roles.
- They have a few pieces that can play the game the way it is now - Pastrnak, Marchand, Krug - but don't have enough of a supporting cast.
- They had a big opportunity to address organizational depth in 2015 with 3 first round picks. They drafted Zboril, Debrusk, and Senyshyn. Zboril may develop, but Debrusk doesn't look like he's going to add goals. Senyshyn might, but he's in his fourth year of junior so a ppg player with that level of experience wouldn't get me all that excited. They could have had Barzal, Chabot, White, Samsonov, Boeser (guys who were impact players at the WJC this year, minus Boeser), or Konecny and Beauvillier(who are making impacts with the Flyers and Islanders). Many fans panned their selections that year.
* They did pick McAvoy with their first in 2016. He's a promising defender; a Krug with size. Adapt or die. So, they're in limbo. They might have a coach that can coach the game the way it's being played now. They don't have the players and we'll see if they have the mgt. The failing that's killing them is their drafting. From 2007 (the year after they drafted Lucic, Marchand,and Kessel), their top picks have been (rounds 1 & 2) 2007 - Zach Hamill and Tommy Cross, 2008 - Joe Colborne and Maxime Sauve 2009 - Jordan Caron (no 2nd rounder) 2010 - Tyler Seguin, Jared Knight and Ryan Spooner 2011 - Dougie Hamilton and Alexander Khokhlachev 2012 - Malcolm Subban (no 2nd rounder) 2013 - no 1st rounder and Linus Arnesson 2014 - David Pastrnak and Ryan Donato They didn't have any good later round picks either. Add to the above the fact they gave away Seguin and probably Hamilton and its no wonder the cupboard is bare. The important people in any organization are the scouting and development group There's not a lot to show since Bergevin took over, but Lehkonen looks really good and at least we have Scherbak and McCarron coming up. Trading some 2nd rounders hurt. I'm leaving out 2015 and 2016 drafts because it's too soon to tell. Anyway, the finger's being pointed at Julien, but it's Chiarelli who should be blamed. Edmonton fans should be wary. An old high school buddy of mine used to be a scout for the Bruins here in Ontario ... he told me two months before the draft that the Bruins wanted Malcolm Subban ... hope I still have that email ... one of the reasons he was let go was because; a. the Bruins didn't have any prospects and, b. Keith Gretzky moved his staff into the scouting positions when he took over ... whereas my friend provided a few players for the 2011 Cup run, today the Bruins still have no prospects ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 30, 2017 13:15:17 GMT -5
No doubt it was Chiarelli who hired Keith Gretzky. That was during his watch.
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Post by Skilly on Feb 2, 2017 16:46:50 GMT -5
Ovechkin scored his 550th goal last night ... passing Ron Francis, and moving into 27th on the NHL career goal list
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2017 17:39:29 GMT -5
Ovechkin scored his 550th goal last night ... passing Ron Francis, and moving into 27th on the NHL career goal list I enjoy your milestone updates Skilly. Keep them coming. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 2, 2017 22:30:10 GMT -5
Ovechkin scored his 550th goal last night ... passing Ron Francis, and moving into 27th on the NHL career goal list I enjoy your milestone updates Skilly. Keep them coming. Ovechkin's goal was also his 205th powerplay goal, moving him past Wayne Gretzky and into a tie for 14th with Joe Sakic on the NHL career powerplay goals list. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 15, 2017 20:32:57 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the Columbus - Leafs game right now. After the Leafs beat the Isles 7-1 when everything the Leafs touched seemed to find its way into the net (one of 'those' games) and TSN making them once again, into the latest dynasty, they are trailing the Blue Jackets 4-0 in the second period. Isn't it great?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 21, 2017 12:44:07 GMT -5
The Atlantic Division is wide open right now ... looks like the Panthers are making their move ... 8-1-1 in their last 10 that includes five straight wins ...
Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 23, 2017 1:29:51 GMT -5
Oilers and Ducks helped out Habs tonight, downing Panthers and Bruins respectively. Never turn down a helping hand.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 23, 2017 21:52:50 GMT -5
... I was good with Alex Galchenyuk ...
... but this was the kid I wanted the Habs to draft in 2012 ...
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Post by folatre on Feb 26, 2017 18:50:24 GMT -5
Watching Columbus and Rangers right now, either one looks to be hard first round matchup for winner of Atlantic division.
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Post by jkr on Feb 26, 2017 20:59:17 GMT -5
... I was good with Alex Galchenyuk ...
... but this was the kid I wanted the Habs to draft in 2012 ...
Washington drafted him & then McPhee gave him a way in a deal for Latta & Erat.  |
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Post by blny on Feb 26, 2017 22:19:23 GMT -5
I'm still good with Galchenyuk. We can't look at a two game sample size and use it as a means to imply one guy is better. Forsberg's in an environment that's been so much better. Still, he's got just as many 30 goal seasons as Alex and has done it while being allowed to grow as a top flight center. He's also got support from the likes of Johansen as a #2 or a 1a/b. Galchenyuk can't say he's had either. I'm hopeful we have a coach who's capable of getting the best out of the player that I think is every bit as good or better.
I remember that Caps deal and cringing.
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2017 20:01:50 GMT -5
3-0 Jets after one period against the Als. Laine with a goal & an assist. He has 32 goals now & is averaging one point per game. Even better than the great Matthews. Wonder if the TO media will even notice.  |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2017 21:44:13 GMT -5
3-0 Jets after one period against the Als. Laine with a goal & an assist. He has 32 goals now & is averaging one point per game. Even better than the great Matthews. Wonder if the TO media will even notice. Think anyone will score a td?  |
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Post by jkr on Mar 4, 2017 21:46:56 GMT -5
3-0 Jets after one period against the Als. Laine with a goal & an assist. He has 32 goals now & is averaging one point per game. Even better than the great Matthews. Wonder if the TO media will even notice. Think anyone will score a td? LOL. That's what I get for trusting auto correct. It's now 6-0 Jets so Colorado will need a TD. |
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Post by blny on Mar 4, 2017 21:47:53 GMT -5
Think anyone will score a td? LOL. That's what I get for trusting auto correct. It's now 6-0 Jets so Colorado will need a TD. Hahahaha!  |
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