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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 25, 2017 15:55:17 GMT -5
... according to Conor McKenna he is ...
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Post by blny on May 25, 2017 16:21:14 GMT -5
Might have a stroke if he came back in some capacity.
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Post by jkr on May 25, 2017 16:22:34 GMT -5
Might have a stroke if he came back in some capacity. You or Larry?  |
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Post by blny on May 25, 2017 16:35:00 GMT -5
Might have a stroke if he came back in some capacity. You or Larry? Me! Larry would be too busy.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 25, 2017 18:19:57 GMT -5
Stu Cownan's column on why Larry Robinson may not be back with the Habs ... However, don’t expect to see Robinson back with the Canadiens organization.
The Canadiens had a chance to hire Robinson the last time he was a free agent in 2012, shortly after Marc Bergevin took over as Montreal’s general manager and named Michel Therrien head coach. Cape has said in the past he had a meeting lined up with Bergevin at the time to discuss the possibility of Robinson joining the Canadiens coaching staff, but added the GM cancelled it after deciding to hire J.J. Daigneault as an assistant to work with the defence. Canadiens owner Geoff Molson insisted it was Robinson’s decision to go to San Jose instead of Montreal.
In his autobiography, The Great Defender: My Hockey Odyssey, which was published in 2014, Robinson wrote: “After the 2011-12 season, Marc Bergevin was hired as general manager of the Montreal Canadiens, and I let it be known that I would be very interested in returning to Montreal as part of their coaching staff. Having played there for so many years, and with coaching experience under my belt, I had hoped that I might be considered. As it turned out, they hired JJ. Daigneault for the available position.”... son of a gun ... Cheers.
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Post by HFTO on May 25, 2017 18:32:50 GMT -5
I won't hold my breathe especially since he's not part of MB circle which has proven to be not so hot
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 25, 2017 18:43:49 GMT -5
I won't hold my breathe especially since he's not part of MB circle which has proven to be not so hot I left a reply on Conor McKenna's tweet asking ..."Is there room in the foxhole"... then I read Stu Cowen's column and it's possible the hole is already occupied ... Cheers. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2017 18:57:35 GMT -5
So...
1. Robinson's agent, Donny Cape, says Bergevin cancelled their meeting and hired Daigneault instead.
Robinson says he'd hoped he might be considered....but that they hired Daigneault instead.
Basically, the same story.
2. Geoff Molson says Robinson chose San Jose over Montreal.
One of the stories is untrue.
BTW...there's no question what an organization truly interested in winning would do.....
Is Julien a winner or a company man?
Now's a good time to flex some Habs' Head Coach muscle!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 25, 2017 20:43:27 GMT -5
Time to fix the wrong. Bring in Big Bird and thank JJD for his services.
Along with the Lefebvre mess, I am not holding my breathe either...but I dare to dream.
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Post by Skilly on May 25, 2017 20:46:15 GMT -5
So... 1. Robinson's agent, Donny Cape, says Bergevin cancelled their meeting and hired Daigneault instead. Robinson says he'd hoped he might be considered....but that they hired Daigneault instead. Basically, the same story. 2. Geoff Molson says Robinson chose San Jose over Montreal. One of the stories is untrue. BTW...there's no question what an organization truly interested in winning would do..... Is Julien a winner or a company man? Now's a good time to flex some Habs' Head Coach muscle! We know which story is untrue, it's been posted on here many times Cape had an interview scheduled with Therrien. Larry asked to postpone it (or have it over the phone?) because he had to deal with personal issues (selling his home I believe). Therrien interviewed Daigneault 2 days later and was do impressed he didn't bother to interview Robinson. Gave JJ the job on the spot. Montreal are the Trumps of the NHL ... Lie lie lie, deflect deflect deflect |
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2017 20:50:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the synopsis, Skilly. I was being sarcastic, though, ha! Should've put a  in there. |
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Post by Skilly on May 25, 2017 20:52:54 GMT -5
Just for information purposes ... From the Gazette
Donnie Cape, Robinson’s longtime friend and business manager, says the Canadiens could have hired the Hall of Famer instead of the Sharks, but chose not to.
Cape says he spoke with Marc Bergevin after he was hired as the Canadiens’ general manager in May 2012 and the GM had hired Michel Therrien as his head coach on June 5 of that year.
Robinson had already decided he didn’t want to return to New Jersey the next season and Cape says a meeting was set up with Bergevin when Robinson was going to be in Montreal on July 6. But before that meeting was held, Cape says Bergevin called him back to say the meeting was off because he had already hired someone else (J.J. Daigneault) as an assistant coach to work with the defence. Daigneault and Bergevin grew up together in Montreal and were minor-hockey teammates — along with Mario Lemieux — during the late 1970s for the Ville-Émard Hurricanes.
Cape says Bergevin asked him to let Robinson know he had hired someone else and that the meeting was off. An upset Cape responded: “You call him.”
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Post by Skilly on May 25, 2017 20:56:50 GMT -5
Here is an interview Cape had with TSN690 .... Bergy (Marc Bergevin) told me (in 2012) that he wanted to make sure Larry was ready to go behind the bench a minimum of two years, maybe three. We said 'no problem.' He then said that 'okay we'll get back to you as soon as Larry comes back (in Montreal) after July 1st and we'll have a meeting.' Geoff Molson was aware of that. He (Bergevin) then called me back on June 28th and said to me 'Donnie, the meeting's off, call Larry.' I said 'no Bergy, you know Larry well enough, you call him.' He then called Larry and said 'we've hired somebody else", before we even met."
"Larry has said that he would've loved the opportunity to teach a talent like P.K. Subban and I'm 99% sure that P.K. Subban would absolutely have demonstrated a great amount of respect for Larry because of his personality and because of the way he is, and I think that P.K. would've been a better hockey player today. Montreal hired the best goalie coach in the NHL for Carey Price and he is the best goalie in hockey. They had the opportunity, in my opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, to hire the best defensemen coach."Full Interview Link |
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Post by blny on May 25, 2017 21:04:01 GMT -5
Therrien is gone. Julien may opt to bring in his own assistants. Despite Berg and JJ being best buds, it's ultimately Julien's prerogative. There's no way Claude takes the job if Berg has any sort of say over assistants.
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2017 21:06:20 GMT -5
So, Berg said he'd have a meeting....hired Daigneault....then cancelled the meeting.
Daigneault must've been SOME interview. NHL coaching experience was all on Robinson's side...including Cup-winning head coach. Daigneault's experience was in the AHL as assistant.
Enough to make a cat laugh....
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Post by CentreHice on May 25, 2017 21:08:39 GMT -5
Therrien is gone. Julien may opt to bring in his own assistants. Despite Berg and JJ being best buds, it's ultimately Julien's prerogative. There's no way Claude takes the job if Berg has any sort of say over assistants. For that term and money? Nothing would surprise me....these last few seasons have brought out the CH-cynicism in me. |
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Post by jkr on May 25, 2017 21:10:29 GMT -5
Nepotism again. JJD's qualification was he played minor hockey with Bergevin. What a joke.
Isn't Nick Carriere of the Ice Caps the son of Larry Carriere?
When does some professionalism come to this team?
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Post by seventeen on May 25, 2017 23:17:28 GMT -5
I'm having trouble believing that Julien is really the Habs coach. Why? Because he's good. Ever other instance of Berg hiring a coach has been a disaster. How did Julien sneak under the incompetence radar?
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Post by CentreHice on May 26, 2017 9:02:32 GMT -5
Bottom line: If Robinson is available and interested, it's gotta be a no-brainer for Julien.
The only fly in the ointment is that Berg turned Robinson down in 2012....in rather unceremonious fashion.
Berg may quash such a move again....we'll know soon enough.
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Post by blny on May 26, 2017 9:35:30 GMT -5
Bottom line: If Robinson is available and interested, it's gotta be a no-brainer for Julien. The only fly in the ointment is that Berg turned Robinson down in 2012....in rather unceremonious fashion. Berg may quash such a move again....we'll know soon enough. I don't think Berg so much as quashed as he and Therrien were a hive mind. Everything was done together. None of us know the the new paradigm. If Julien runs a staff like he has before, the assistants should be of his choosing. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 26, 2017 9:46:21 GMT -5
Bottom line: If Robinson is available and interested, it's gotta be a no-brainer for Julien. The only fly in the ointment is that Berg turned Robinson down in 2012....in rather unceremonious fashion. Berg may quash such a move again....we'll know soon enough. Bottom line is the coach should be able to hire his own assistants and normally the GM doesn't interfere. MT hired JJD over Robinson and I never remember Berg quashing anything or turning anyone down. Robinson had an interview scheduled that never happened. If Julien decides not to hire Robinson, even if Robinson may be interested then again that is the coaches decision. I think Robinson is all class in every aspect of his professional career but his last NHL game was 30 years ago and a lot has changed in how the position is played and how defense is taught and I don't know if Robinson has stayed up with the times. He has been player development the past few years so maybe he has. There could be a 35 year old university coach somewhere that would be better equipped for the role. We don't know but there is so much negativity in the posting here of how poorly the team has developed players we should all agree lets not hire him based on name alone. |
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Post by blny on May 26, 2017 10:27:07 GMT -5
Bottom line: If Robinson is available and interested, it's gotta be a no-brainer for Julien. The only fly in the ointment is that Berg turned Robinson down in 2012....in rather unceremonious fashion. Berg may quash such a move again....we'll know soon enough. Bottom line is the coach should be able to hire his own assistants and normally the GM doesn't interfere. MT hired JJD over Robinson and I never remember Berg quashing anything or turning anyone down. Robinson had an interview scheduled that never happened. If Julien decides not to hire Robinson, even if Robinson may be interested then again that is the coaches decision. I think Robinson is all class in every aspect of his professional career but his last NHL game was 30 years ago and a lot has changed in how the position is played and how defense is taught and I don't know if Robinson has stayed up with the times. He has been player development the past few years so maybe he has. There could be a 35 year old university coach somewhere that would be better equipped for the role. We don't know but there is so much negativity in the posting here of how poorly the team has developed players we should all agree lets not hire him based on name alone. He's been teaching and working with Burns. He's got the resume as a player and as a coach. |
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Post by seventeen on May 26, 2017 12:08:01 GMT -5
MT hired JJD over Robinson and I never remember Berg quashing anything or turning anyone down. Robinson had an interview scheduled that never happened. The standard procedure in hiring is you make up a short list of potential candidates; you interview all of them; you make a decision; you ask the 'winning' candidate if they'll accept the job at the terms discussed; you then inform the unsuccessful candidates that the job has been filled. In this case we don't know if the Habs completed step 1 and we know they didn't completed step 2. If you have a candidate that is so superior to everyone else (in your mind at least), you don't even bother with a short list or talking to candidates. You just hire the guys ASAP, much like the Habs did with Julien. The interview that never happened was not due to Robinson backing out. It was due to Therrien and/or Bergevin simply choosing to hire Daigneault. Frankly, that expresses more about their judgment than many of the moves that occurred afterward. They have an undistinguished coach who had always been at the minor league level and then they have a hall of famer with coaching Stanley Cups in his background and a clear record of improving defences that he has coached. And they chose the undistinguished, unproven and (as he has shown) incapable candidate instead of the clearly superior one. If we had known at the time of hiring that this had taken place, it would have raised red flags immediately and we could have gotten a head start on our real assessment of the management team and ownership. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 26, 2017 14:52:09 GMT -5
I think I have it now....from all the stories.... Robinson/Cape meeting scheduled through Bergevin for July 6th. Late June, tropical storm "Debby" causes extensive flooding in North and Central Florida. (wikipedia). Robinson asks for a few days grace to check on damage to a property. Habs meet with JJD and hire him. Robinson meeting cancelled....with Berg asking Cape to let Robinson know the bad news. A very shoddy way to treat someone of his calibre. And what's with Molson saying Robinson chose the Sharks first? That's the kind of crap that really burns me. Like Bergevin saying Therrien knew nothing at all about the Subban trade until after it was done. Personally, I think a Julien/Muller/Robinson bench is a no-brainer. Can anyone say that Daigneault and Lacroix have been top-notch? I know, I know...at some point the players have to take responsibility for their own development...... |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 28, 2017 20:17:30 GMT -5
I think I have it now....from all the stories.... Robinson/Cape meeting scheduled through Bergevin for July 6th. Late June, tropical storm "Debby" causes extensive flooding in North and Central Florida. (wikipedia). Robinson asks for a few days grace to check on damage to a property. Habs meet with JJD and hire him. Robinson meeting cancelled....with Berg asking Cape to let Robinson know the bad news. A very shoddy way to treat someone of his calibre. And what's with Molson saying Robinson chose the Sharks first? That's the kind of crap that really burns me. Like Bergevin saying Therrien knew nothing at all about the Subban trade until after it was done. Personally, I think a Julien/Muller/Robinson bench is a no-brainer. Can anyone say that Daigneault and Lacroix have been top-notch? I know, I know...at some point the players have to take responsibility for their own development...... Wow and MB has the balls to talk about character?  He couldn't call Larry himself given Larry's stature with the Habs and in the NHL? Can't wait for MB to be gone... sick of him pissing away more time because of his idiotic sense of loyalty to incompetent people. |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2017 0:36:09 GMT -5
Wow and MB has the balls to talk about character? He couldn't call Larry himself given Larry's stature with the Habs and in the NHL? Can't wait for MB to be gone... sick of him pissing away more time because of his idiotic sense of loyalty to incompetent people. Yes, that is a very interesting part of that dialogue. It shows some of the basics of good management and understanding protocol seem to be missing from Mr Bergevin's resume. |
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Post by frozone on May 29, 2017 8:24:35 GMT -5
Wow and MB has the balls to talk about character? He couldn't call Larry himself given Larry's stature with the Habs and in the NHL? Can't wait for MB to be gone... sick of him pissing away more time because of his idiotic sense of loyalty to incompetent people. Yes, that is a very interesting part of that dialogue. It shows some of the basics of good management and understanding protocol seem to be missing from Mr Bergevin's resume. Hmmmm... I'm all for ripping MB to shreds for screwing up the Robinson hiring, but I have to disagree whole-heartedly here. Are we suggesting that MB should have called Robinson directly to let him know that the Habs hired JJD, bypassing the agent? What's the point of Robinson even having an agent then? If MB sets up the meeting through the agent, then he should cancel the meeting through the agent as well. If anything, MB was sticking to protocol. To me, Cape comes across as the main tool in this story. For crying out loud, this is essentially free agency! Why does Cape get so upset when the Canadiens hire JJD? And why insist that MB deliver the news himself? This guy shouldnt' be an agent if you ask me. They had the opportunity, in my opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, to hire the best defensemen coach.Agreeing to an interview is one thing, but if Robinson would have actually signed a contract with the Canadiens, I would expect to hear something a bit more solid than the above opinion of an angry agent. Worst of all, we can kiss the idea of Robinson behind the bench goodbye. There would be zero trust in that working relationship. |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2017 11:55:39 GMT -5
It's simply good manners, frozone. If I was in Bergevin's shoes, I'd let the agent know, but I'd call Robinson personally as well. You have to respect the coach and by telling him through his agent, it would be like e-mailing him or texting him. I've never had to deal with someone who has an agent, but I've often had to tell job applicants they were unsuccessful. I always talked to them personally. I never, for example, left a voice mail other than to ask them to call me, or advised a parent or spouse that the candidate didn't get the job. It really is pretty basic stuff. Trump wouldn't do that, but then, who wants to be lumped in with him.  |
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2017 11:57:44 GMT -5
Worst of all, we can kiss the idea of Robinson behind the bench goodbye. There would be zero trust in that working relationship. Totally agree. I haven't gotten excited about Larry being available because he isn't coming to the Habs. He will not want to work for Bergevin, for the reason you cited. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 29, 2017 12:19:29 GMT -5
Yes, that is a very interesting part of that dialogue. It shows some of the basics of good management and understanding protocol seem to be missing from Mr Bergevin's resume. Hmmmm... I'm all for ripping MB to shreds for screwing up the Robinson hiring, but I have to disagree whole-heartedly here. Are we suggesting that MB should have called Robinson directly to let him know that the Habs hired JJD, bypassing the agent? What's the point of Robinson even having an agent then? If MB sets up the meeting through the agent, then he should cancel the meeting through the agent as well. If anything, MB was sticking to protocol. To me, Cape comes across as the main tool in this story. For crying out loud, this is essentially free agency! Why does Cape get so upset when the Canadiens hire JJD? And why insist that MB deliver the news himself? This guy shouldnt' be an agent if you ask me. They had the opportunity, in my opinion, and maybe the opinion of some others, to hire the best defensemen coach. Agreeing to an interview is one thing, but if Robinson would have actually signed a contract with the Canadiens, I would expect to hear something a bit more solid than the above opinion of an angry agent. Worst of all, we can kiss the idea of Robinson behind the bench goodbye. There would be zero trust in that working relationship. Yes, that's how a regular agent/client relationship works. News of my auditions and work comes through my agent. I'm just a voice guy. This case is pro sports, where an agent takes really good care of his clients and stands up to mistreatment. We're talking about Larry Robinson here..coming back to Montreal, no less! He was treated poorly. So, I don't blame Cape one iota for giving the gun back to Bergevin. i.e. " You agreed to a meeting. You couldn't wait a few days, you hired somebody else, and you cancelled our meeting. You disrespected my client, and are furthering the disrespect by suggesting that I do your dirty work. Nope. You do it."Berg's gonna face a lot of music soon... Your last statement, sadly, is likely true..and it would be Berg's doing. But for now, it appears that Robinson is still interested. We'll see how much power Julien really has... |
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