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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 12, 2018 19:16:58 GMT -5
And in Edmonton they have a "plan". Oh oh. At least their top player is good for over 100 points. Ours had no points last season, not even one assist Are you referring to the CAP Space?  Between our goalie and cap space, they combined for no points and no goals.  |
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Post by blny on Apr 13, 2018 10:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 17, 2018 17:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 22, 2018 11:48:51 GMT -5
... good on Andrei Markov ...
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 22, 2018 18:09:07 GMT -5
... good on Andrei Markov ...
Good for Andre... he won more than Foxhole Inc. |
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Post by jkr on Apr 22, 2018 20:11:42 GMT -5
I guess he has a winning "attitude".
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2018 12:25:53 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Apr 23, 2018 12:26:55 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Apr 23, 2018 12:58:18 GMT -5
Minny, another team that's not good enough to win the Cup, and not bad enough to get the elite players you need to win a cup. With 31 teams, it takes real commitment to make those first steps of being bad enough to get a top draft pick.
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Post by blny on May 2, 2018 12:52:37 GMT -5
Dallas has named former minor leaguer, briefly a Hab, Maine Blackbear standout, and native Montrealer Jim Montgomery their new head coach. He'd been courted by a few teams, including the Rangers where Larry Brooks said he interviewed very well. Montgomery leaves University of Denver hockey have several stellar years and a 2017 NCAA title.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2018 14:06:53 GMT -5
A former Hab for 5 games in 94/95. It's where he learned everything he knows. Took just 5 games.
University of Denver coach for the last 5 seasons. Sub .500 his first season and then years of .625 .700, .795 (!) and .659.
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Post by jkr on May 2, 2018 14:20:34 GMT -5
One of Serge Savard's worst deals - Carbonneau for Montgomery.
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2018 14:26:32 GMT -5
There was no HabsRus back then so I never got other perspectives on deals. Was there something that pushed Savard to trade Carbonneau. In Montreal, so many guys get moved for reasons other than their play on the ice (Ribeiro, Keane and some others I can't recall right now). Ribeiro was a loose cannon, yes, but I think I recall something about Carbonneau but I don't rememmber what it was. Any enlightening info for a senile fan?
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Post by franko on May 2, 2018 15:12:00 GMT -5
There was no HabsRus back then so I never got other perspectives on deals. Was there something that pushed Savard to trade Carbonneau. In Montreal, so many guys get moved for reasons other than their play on the ice (Ribeiro, Keane and some others I can't recall right now). Ribeiro was a loose cannon, yes, but I think I recall something about Carbonneau but I don't rememmber what it was. Any enlightening info for a senile fan? take your choice: "getting rid of an aging player", "conflict with the coach", or "bad attitude" (giving a journalist the finger after being bounced out of the playoffs). or "a hockey move" |
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Post by seventeen on May 2, 2018 15:34:29 GMT -5
Can't see Jacques Demers being that hard to get along with. His attitude was no worse than many great players who have worn the CH and while he was an aging player, he managed another 6 seasons in the NHL, playing a lot more games than Jim Montgomery, so I think I'll go with the finger to the journalist. Especially if the writer was a favourite of PK Peladeau's.
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Post by franko on May 2, 2018 16:13:27 GMT -5
supposedly a "disagreement" after Carbo said they were a one-man team (Roy) -- where have I heard that one before -- but both denied a problem.
Carbo was making twice as much as Montgomery and "perhaps" on the downswing while Monte was an up-and-comer (who went nowhere).
flipping off the journalist seems to be the best bet.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 3, 2018 8:22:01 GMT -5
supposedly a "disagreement" after Carbo said they were a one-man team (Roy) -- where have I heard that one before -- but both denied a problem. Carbo was making twice as much as Montgomery and "perhaps" on the downswing while Monte was an up-and-comer (who went nowhere). flipping off the journalist seems to be the best bet. I might have this article in a scrapbook somewhere ... I remember a different picture than the one below and I still might have it ... whatever the reason was for trading Guy Carbonneau, it was one of the first moves in dismantling the '93 Cup winner and, while Kirk Muller was made captain after the move, we never really recovered from the loss of leadership ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on May 3, 2018 8:52:48 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on May 3, 2018 8:53:18 GMT -5
supposedly a "disagreement" after Carbo said they were a one-man team (Roy) -- where have I heard that one before -- but both denied a problem. Carbo was making twice as much as Montgomery and "perhaps" on the downswing while Monte was an up-and-comer (who went nowhere). flipping off the journalist seems to be the best bet. I might have this article in a scrapbook somewhere ... I remember a different picture than the one below and I still might have it ... whatever the reason was for trading Guy Carbonneau, it was one of the first moves in dismantling the '93 Cup winner and, while Kirk Muller was made captain after the move, we never really recovered from the loss of leadership ... Cheers. Good find Dis! |
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Post by blny on May 3, 2018 9:05:26 GMT -5
Carbo, Keane, and Muller: three successive captains traded.
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Post by clear observer on May 3, 2018 11:12:12 GMT -5
Carbonneau was captured "flipping the bird" at a media scrum during a golf tournament.
Buh bye.
Edit: Sorry Dis...I'd scrolled past your post. Excellent find!
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Post by jkr on May 3, 2018 11:19:18 GMT -5
Carbonneau was captured "flipping the bird" at a media scrum during a golf tournament. Buh bye. Edit: Sorry jkr...I'd scrolled past your post. Excellent find! It was actually Dis that found that page. |
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Post by seventeen on May 3, 2018 12:38:57 GMT -5
One has to really wonder at the thin skin of management in Montreal. Geeze, they should have given Carbo a raise for flipping the photographer. Those guys can't even play a round of golf without the media hounding them? Maybe if they had pummelled the guy into submission it might have been worth a fine, but trading him? And then there's the comment about the one man team. Seriously? Without St. Pat, they don't win in 86 or 93. Get over it. Some guys are going to get special treatment, but only if they earn it. The other players have to learn to live with it.
Remind you of anyone else? I'd love to sit down with Scotty Bowman and ask how he handled Guy Lafleur. Or how he left him alone. T'would be fascinating to hear his answer. I hear Bernie Geoffrion was a handful as well, including jealousy regarding the Rocket. Can you imagine what Toe Blake had to go through in 54/55 when Geoffrion edged out the Rocket by 1 point for the scoring title? That must have been a fun dressing room.
That was the year Rocket was suspended by Campbell. He missed the last few games, playing 3 less than Geoffrion. Just one more thorn.
And Carbo gets traded over a finger and a photo. Only in Montreal.
Which reminds me. What is it with people in NHL head office called Campbell? Is it some hereditary disease? It seems any brains they have become mush once they get in that door. If they had any to start with. Sorry, got distracted.
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Post by Skilly on May 3, 2018 20:08:23 GMT -5
This was in the Gazette the day after the trade:
The Canadiens have rarely allowed their veteran players to age gracefully. Guy Carbonneau personally discovered that yesterday.
The Canadiens captain, who has spent his entire 12-year National Hockey League career in Montreal, was traded to the St. Louis Blues for Jim Montgomery.
Both players are centres, but that’s where the comparison ends. Carbonneau is 34 and earned $750,000 last season. He’s entering the option year of his contract. Montgomery is only 25 and is entering his second season as a pro. He earned $310,000 last year and has one year and an option remaining on his pact.
“This is a big shock. I was really surprised and was caught totally off guard,” an emotional-sounding Carbonneau said during a Forum conference call. “You never expect to be traded.
“You always think about these things,” he added. “I had talked to Larry (Robinson) and Steve Shutt . . . guys who had been traded, but I was not prepared to hear that this morning.”
Surprised or not, speculation ran rampant all summer that the Canadiens were contemplating unloading Carbonneau. He might have sealed his fate last May, following the Canadiens’ opening-round playoff elimination against Boston.
Carbonneau was photographed on the front page of the Journal de Montreal giving a middle-finger salute while playing golf with teammates Patrick Roy and Vincent Damphousse. Carbonneau was summoned to the Forum the next day to meet management and subsequently wrote a letter of apology to Montreal fans.
During the playoffs, Carbonneau contradicted coach Jacques Demers. Demers said the Canadiens were considerably weaker without the injured Roy, while Carbonneau insisted Montreal was more than a one-man team.
Carbonneau said yesterday he hoped the newspaper picture didn’t influence the Canadiens’ decision. “If it did I would be disappointed, but no one told me that it had.”
Canadiens general manager Serge Savard denied Carbonneau’s fate was sealed with the publication of the derogatory photograph. He also denied the move was financially related.
“He made a mistake, but it had nothing to do with our decision,” Savard said.
Rather, the GM continued, it was more a case of moving an aging athlete near the end of his career while the opportunity remained to receive full value for his services.
This is nothing new for the Canadiens. Perhaps that’s why the organization has traditionally remained competitive in the NHL.
Guy Lafleur, Bobby Smith, Denis Savard, Shutt and Robinson are just a few of the veterans who departed Montreal late in their careers in bittersweet moves. Even GM Savard, a former Canadiens captain, completed his career with two seasons in Winnipeg.
“It (aging) happens to all of us,” Savard said. “I think (Carbonneau) can play good for a few more years, but not at the same level as when he was 26 or 27. It’s nothing new.”
Demers denied there was any personality conflict between himself and Carbonneau, or that the two had clashed.
“We were faced with a guy who will be 35 in March,” the coach said. “This is a great opportunity for Carbo. There will be less pressure and fewer demands on him. The timing was perfect for Carbo and the Montreal Canadiens.”
In Carbonneau, the Canadiens have lost a defensive specialist who three times captured the Frank Selke Trophy as the NHL’s top defensive forward. He remains an excellent faceoff man and leader, a vocal presence in the dressing room. It remains to be seen whether his absence will create a vacuum.
“Guy Carbonneau is a great leader, no question,” Demers said, “but life has to go on. I’ll put the challenge to my players. I don’t want to hear in November that there’s no leadership because one player who will retire shortly is gone and no one has assumed the leadership.”
Demers suggested a pair of young centres, Brian Savage or Craig Ferguson, are Carbonneau’s heir apparent as the team’s defensive specialist.
Although undergoing arthroscopic surgery on both knees last summer, Carbonneau recovered and missed only five games during the 1993-94 season, scoring 14 goals and 24 points in 79 games.
He believes he can play two or three more years. Although he wanted to complete his career with the Canadiens, remaining around long enough to move into the new Forum in 1996, Carbonneau nonetheless is excited about the move to St. Louis. He believes the Blues are legitimate Stanley Cup contenders.
“They have a good team with lots of offence,” he said. “St. Louis will be a nice city to play in. Still, I’ll miss my friends. After 12 years you meet a lot of people and you adjust to a certain lifestyle.”
In Montgomery, a Montreal native, the Canadiens receive somewhat of an unknown commodity. The 5-foot-10, 180 pounder played infrequently with the Blues, going 6-14-20 in 67 games after being signed as a free agent, but caught the eye of Andre Boudrias, the Canadiens’ director of scouting.
“It’s like buying stock at $4. You think the stock will go up to $8 in a year’s time,” Savard explained. “I like his potential to become better. He’s got the chance to become a good third- or second-line player.”
Montgomery accumulated 301 points in 170 games at the University of Maine. He completed his career by helping the Black Bears capture the National Collegiate Athletic Association championship.
Predictably, Montgomery, who described himself as an aggressive player and hard worker, is ecstatic about returning home.
“I’m walking on air. To think I’m going to be part of the Montreal Canadiens organization,” he said from St. Louis. “I’m happy but shocked. I couldn’t believe it.
“It’s an honor to go home (and play) for the team I grew up watching, the team I loved and still cheer for, especially to be traded for a guy I idolized.”
No successor was named as Canadiens captain, although Kirk Muller appears the obvious choice. A vote of the players will likely occur before the start of the season.
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Post by Skilly on May 3, 2018 20:10:14 GMT -5
The photographer was hiding in the trees and they were golfing three days after getting eliminated. Carbo said they just wanted to be left alone and the photographer was trespassing
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Post by Skilly on May 3, 2018 20:11:49 GMT -5
supposedly a "disagreement" after Carbo said they were a one-man team (Roy) -- where have I heard that one before -- but both denied a problem. Carbo was making twice as much as Montgomery and "perhaps" on the downswing while Monte was an up-and-comer (who went nowhere). flipping off the journalist seems to be the best bet. Demers inferred they were a one man team ....Carbo disagreed |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 4, 2018 9:37:04 GMT -5
There was no HabsRus back then so I never got other perspectives on deals. Was there something that pushed Savard to trade Carbonneau. In Montreal, so many guys get moved for reasons other than their play on the ice (Ribeiro, Keane and some others I can't recall right now). Ribeiro was a loose cannon, yes, but I think I recall something about Carbonneau but I don't rememmber what it was. Any enlightening info for a senile fan? take your choice: "getting rid of an aging player", "conflict with the coach", or "bad attitude" (giving a journalist the finger after being bounced out of the playoffs). or "a hockey move" recalled the 20-year mark of the trade in a 2014 column and included the original article by Herb Zurkowsky back in 1994 ... it comes across more as the organization's position on the trade, but the conspiracy hound in me suggests there were other factors involved ... During the playoffs, Carbonneau contradicted coach Jacques Demers. Demers said the Canadiens were considerably weaker without the injured Roy, while Carbonneau insisted Montreal was more than a one-man team.
Canadiens general manager Serge Savard denied Carbonneau’s fate was sealed with the publication of the derogatory photograph. He also denied the move was financially related.
“He made a mistake, but it had nothing to do with our decision,” Savard said.
Rather, the GM continued, it was more a case of moving an aging athlete near the end of his career while the opportunity remained to receive full value for his services.More examples of moving aging players ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on May 8, 2018 8:10:51 GMT -5
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Post by CentreHice on May 11, 2018 12:28:55 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on May 15, 2018 15:40:14 GMT -5
Just saw Latvia beat Denmark 1-0. I see Bob Hartley coaching Latvia.
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