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Post by Cranky on May 15, 2018 17:38:41 GMT -5
I had no problem with Carbo flipping the bird at a photographer back then, now he would be my hero. I NEVER saw that as anything other then a hockey player wanting some privacy and a mosquito with a camera trying to get some blood off him.
This stupidity of the Hab's organization that everyone should follow some saintly code of conduct is folly at best...and fake at worse.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 17, 2018 8:11:51 GMT -5
I had no problem with Carbo flipping the bird at a photographer back then, now he would be my hero. I NEVER saw that as anything other then a hockey player wanting some privacy and a mosquito with a camera trying to get some blood off him. This stupidity of the Hab's organization that everyone should follow some saintly code of conduct is folly at best...and fake at worse. According to Serge Savard, Guy Carbonneau flipping the bird to the media wasn't the reason he was moved out ... Savard went on to say that the trade had more to do with " moving an aging player," but as an outsider looking in, I'd say there was more to it than that ... moving a proven leader and one of the league's premier shutdown guys for a marginal NHLer in Jim Montgomery came across to me like Savard didn't have any other agenda other than wanting to move Carbonneau out of Montreal ... the article also mentions that there might have been conflict between Carbo and Jacques Demers, but Demers was quick to point out that their relationship was fine ... that's the official line, anyway ... that said, I felt we never really recovered from the loss of leadership Carbo provided and it was the first move, of several, that started the dismantling of the '93 Cup winner ... and that didn't take long ... Cheers. |
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Post by blny on May 17, 2018 8:47:31 GMT -5
I had no problem with Carbo flipping the bird at a photographer back then, now he would be my hero. I NEVER saw that as anything other then a hockey player wanting some privacy and a mosquito with a camera trying to get some blood off him. This stupidity of the Hab's organization that everyone should follow some saintly code of conduct is folly at best...and fake at worse. According to Serge Savard, Guy Carbonneau flipping the bird to the media wasn't the reason he was moved out ... Savard went on to say that the trade had more to do with " moving an aging player," but as an outsider looking in, I'd say there was more to it than that ... moving a proven leader and one of the league's premier shutdown guys for a marginal NHLer in Jim Montgomery came across to me like Savard didn't have any other agenda other than wanting to move Carbonneau out of Montreal ... the article also mentions that there might have been conflict between Carbo and Jacques Demers, but Demers was quick to point out that their relationship was fine ... that's the official line, anyway ... that said, I felt we never really recovered from the loss of leadership Carbo provided and it was the first move, of several, that started the dismantling of the '93 Cup winner ... and that didn't take long ... Cheers. At the time of the trade, Montgomery had a similar pedigree to Carbo. Smaller, offensively gifted, player, that they hoped they could shape into a shutdown center. Jim just wasn't able to progress beyond the AHL level. He was a ppg player at that level the time of the trade. Just never went beyond it. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on May 17, 2018 17:46:23 GMT -5
Attended the Vegas Jets game yesterday.
Wonderful fun experience.
Lots of Winnipegers present in jerseys.
Exciting FUN game.
Fans were knowledgeable about current roster, stats etc.
Very few former players but they appreciated skill, hits.
No talk about the teams of the 60's or players on 70's cup teams.
No ghosts or parade routes, just dancing, screaming and did I mention, FUN!
Best thing about the Knights is their GM isn't Bergevin. Molson is missing the boat. Playoffs in non traditional city sold out at $275 per standing room.
No pissed off fans. Lots of money in the crowd and big success.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 21, 2018 15:22:34 GMT -5
Lou Lamoriello to take over hockey ops in Long Island ... leaving his mark on the game ... Cheers. |
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Post by jkr on May 21, 2018 15:25:22 GMT -5
Wow, that's big new. Didn't see that coming.
First order of business - sign Tavares.
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Post by blny on May 21, 2018 15:39:35 GMT -5
Wow, that's big new. Didn't see that coming. First order of business - sign Tavares. McKenzie hinted that it was a real possibility almost immediately after his contract with the Leafs expired. I don't know if his hiring legitimately does anything to help retaining JT or not. No one who has linked JT to the Leafs did so because Lou was there. Therefore one shouldn't assume his joining the Islanders helps them convince JT to stay. |
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Post by blny on May 22, 2018 8:39:43 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 22, 2018 10:15:09 GMT -5
TO must really like Dubas, because losing Hunter leaves a pretty big hole, especially in scouting and talent assessment. What he did with the London Knights year after year was impressive. He will land somewhere quickly once his embargo is over (draft and free agency period).
Shanahan could have given Hunter the GM job and likely would have kept Dubas (at least in the short term), but I did not see the opposite happening.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 22, 2018 11:07:52 GMT -5
There really isn't any GM openings either so I guess he goes back to London? Or does Lou bring him over to be the GM of the Islanders?
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Post by seventeen on May 22, 2018 11:23:38 GMT -5
Man, would I love Hunter to take over the Habs. (Yeah, I know, but I'd like it anyway).
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Post by Willie Dog on May 22, 2018 11:38:41 GMT -5
Man, would I love Hunter to take over the Habs. (Yeah, I know, but I'd like it anyway). He's a former hab too... him as GM for a few years then move him to pres of Hockey Ops Bouchard to GM and Ducharme as head coach. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2018 10:57:27 GMT -5
Here I was thinking that Montreal and Toronto were the only places for media gong shows, but this has been a terrible year of distractions for Ottawa ... just off the top of my head this is what they've had to deal with in Ottawa this year ... it's not fair to the players, the organization or the fans ... - The Erik Karlsson/Eugene Melnyk relationship: Regardless how the press spins it, Karlsson isn't the first player to be frustrated with ownership ... Jason Spezza felt the same way and said as much after he left Ottawa,
- Is Karlsson staying or leaving, Ottawa,
- Are the Senators relocating, and
- Now there's a bad drama on social media involving Mike Hoffman's girlfriend and Karlsson's wife.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2018 11:22:52 GMT -5
Man, would I love Hunter to take over the Habs. (Yeah, I know, but I'd like it anyway). He's a former hab too... him as GM for a few years then move him to pres of Hockey Ops Bouchard to GM and Ducharme as head coach. The organization needed a fresh look on things so they hired Dom Ducharme, then Joel Bouchard ... adding Mark Hunter would be a coup, IMHO ... both Ducharme and Bouchard know the QMJHL very well, and Hunter seems to know the prospects just as well in the Southeastern Ontario region ... I don't know if Hunter would come back to Montreal, though ... he announced he was leaving the Leafs just after they signed their new GM, Kyle Dubas ... I don't know if he was miffed with being passed over, but if he was I suspect he'll be looking for something more than 'evaluating prospects' ... just my opinion, but if his French is up to snuff I dare say he'd make an excellent replacement for Marc Bergevin ... but, if what Andrew posted is factual, and ownership would accept another year of missing the playoffs (providing the team is better) then I read that as giving Bergevin a second chance and there'd be no room for where we'd actually need Hunter ... only thinking aloud, but maybe he could move into President of Hockey Ops and Bergevin would have to answer to him instead of Geoff Molson ... that would make for a different standard of accountability, me thinks ... #wishfulthinkingCheers. |
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Post by franko on Jun 13, 2018 13:49:03 GMT -5
Here I was thinking that Montreal and Toronto were the only places for media gong shows, but this has been a terrible year of distractions for Ottawa ... just off the top of my head this is what they've had to deal with in Ottawa this year ... it's not fair to the players, the organization or the fans ... - The Erik Karlsson/Eugene Melnyk relationship: Regardless how the press spins it, Karlsson isn't the first player to be frustrated with ownership ... Jason Spezza felt the same way and said as much after he left Ottawa,
- Is Karlsson staying or leaving, Ottawa,
- Are the Senators relocating, and
- Now there's a bad drama on social media involving Mike Hoffman's girlfriend and Karlsson's wife.
a1: Turris was none too happy either. Eugene Melnyk: Harold Ballard reincarnate. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 13, 2018 14:11:12 GMT -5
If you can believe it, that fiasco in Ottawa is actually good for the Habs. Hoffman has been on the block for a while and it's not unlikely he'll be traded at the draft. In fact, given the situation with his girlfriend/fiance cyberbullying Erik Karlsson's wife, there's even more reason for Ottawa to dump him. Given that, and the fact he's a left winger and competition for Max in any trade considerations from another team, unless he dumps his fiance, his trade value has just taken a big hit. Who wants that situation coming to their team? Ergo, Max now has less competition and his value has just gone up.  |
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Post by folatre on Jun 13, 2018 15:04:07 GMT -5
The overall situation in Ottawa is spiraling out of control.
This craziness is almost inevitably going to hurt the return for Hoffman. No doubt there are going to be some clubs that may not want to make a play for Hoffman at all, so the suitors for Pacioretty could go grow somewhat more numerous.
But even just setting aside this strange situation, for me the numbers do not lie, Pacioretty is the better goal scorer and he is also a much better two-way hockey player than Hoffman. In particular, if Montreal can involve Brisson in the process to find a contract and a destination that his client is comfortable with, then I believe the return for Pacioretty should be significantly higher than the return for Hoffman.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 13, 2018 16:49:30 GMT -5
Here I was thinking that Montreal and Toronto were the only places for media gong shows, but this has been a terrible year of distractions for Ottawa ... just off the top of my head this is what they've had to deal with in Ottawa this year ... it's not fair to the players, the organization or the fans ... - The Erik Karlsson/Eugene Melnyk relationship: Regardless how the press spins it, Karlsson isn't the first player to be frustrated with ownership ... Jason Spezza felt the same way and said as much after he left Ottawa,
- Is Karlsson staying or leaving, Ottawa,
- Are the Senators relocating, and
- Now there's a bad drama on social media involving Mike Hoffman's girlfriend and Karlsson's wife.
a1: Turris was none too happy either. Eugene Melnyk: Harold Ballard reincarnate. Add the Ballad of Randy Lee, Asst-GM to the Senators ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 13, 2018 16:59:52 GMT -5
Here I was thinking that Montreal and Toronto were the only places for media gong shows, but this has been a terrible year of distractions for Ottawa ... just off the top of my head this is what they've had to deal with in Ottawa this year ... it's not fair to the players, the organization or the fans ... - The Erik Karlsson/Eugene Melnyk relationship: Regardless how the press spins it, Karlsson isn't the first player to be frustrated with ownership ... Jason Spezza felt the same way and said as much after he left Ottawa,
- Is Karlsson staying or leaving, Ottawa,
- Are the Senators relocating, and
- Now there's a bad drama on social media involving Mike Hoffman's girlfriend and Karlsson's wife.
The Lee harassment allegations Daniel Alfredsson breaking his silence and saying players wish for new ownership |
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Post by blny on Jun 14, 2018 12:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 14, 2018 21:47:47 GMT -5
Here I was thinking that Montreal and Toronto were the only places for media gong shows, but this has been a terrible year of distractions for Ottawa ... just off the top of my head this is what they've had to deal with in Ottawa this year ... it's not fair to the players, the organization or the fans ... - The Erik Karlsson/Eugene Melnyk relationship: Regardless how the press spins it, Karlsson isn't the first player to be frustrated with ownership ... Jason Spezza felt the same way and said as much after he left Ottawa,
- Is Karlsson staying or leaving, Ottawa,
- Are the Senators relocating, and
- Now there's a bad drama on social media involving Mike Hoffman's girlfriend and Karlsson's wife.
The Lee harassment allegations Daniel Alfredsson breaking his silence and saying players wish for new ownership Alfredsson saying him and the mayor want new ownership |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 18, 2018 16:32:25 GMT -5
The Lee harassment allegations Daniel Alfredsson breaking his silence and saying players wish for new ownership Alfredsson saying him and the mayor want new ownership He's not Jeff Loria but I can see Eugene Melnyk moving the Senators if he doesn't get what he wants ... there's no guarantee that the new rink in LeBreton Flats will keep them there either ... I really feel bad for Senators fans and for the team, as far as that goes ... this has the potential to be the Mother of all Gong Shows and now the mayor is involved too ... I'd put a suspension on anything 'new-arena' until the dust settles ... this is the complete collapse of a franchise ... unbelievable ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 19, 2018 12:09:24 GMT -5
Alfredsson saying him and the mayor want new ownership He's not Jeff Loria but I can see Eugene Melnyk moving the Senators if he doesn't get what he wants ... there's no guarantee that the new rink in LeBreton Flats will keep them there either ... I really feel bad for Senators fans and for the team, as far as that goes ... this has the potential to be the Mother of all Gong Shows and now the mayor is involved too ... I'd put a suspension on anything 'new-arena' until the dust settles ... this is the complete collapse of a franchise ... unbelievable ... Cheers. If he moves the Sens I'll send out messages to all my friends who are Sens fans to jump on the Habs bandwagon... I know they won't jump on the Leafs bandwagon... |
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Post by folatre on Jun 19, 2018 16:46:01 GMT -5
Panarin says he is not interested in negotiating an extension this summer. Columbus is a relatively revenue-challenged club and it is hard to see how they keep Panarin and Bobrovsky. I bet John Davidson would like to punch Bergevin in the face for readily handing a 30+ year old goalie an $84 million contract. Seriously, Bobrovsky's career numbers are equal to Price's and he has two Vezina trophies.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 19, 2018 19:39:14 GMT -5
I bet John Davidson would like to punch Bergevin in the face for readily handing a 30+ year old goalie an $84 million contract. He'd have to get in line. |
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Post by blny on Jun 19, 2018 19:54:14 GMT -5
Panarin says he is not interested in negotiating an extension this summer. Columbus is a relatively revenue-challenged club and it is hard to see how they keep Panarin and Bobrovsky. I bet John Davidson would like to punch Bergevin in the face for readily handing a 30+ year old goalie an $84 million contract. Seriously, Bobrovsky's career numbers are equal to Price's and he has two Vezina trophies. Galch in a package for Panarin would have made sense both ways imo. |
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Post by Skilly on Jun 20, 2018 6:23:27 GMT -5
Panarin says he is not interested in negotiating an extension this summer. Columbus is a relatively revenue-challenged club and it is hard to see how they keep Panarin and Bobrovsky. I bet John Davidson would like to punch Bergevin in the face for readily handing a 30+ year old goalie an $84 million contract. Seriously, Bobrovsky's career numbers are equal to Price's and he has two Vezina trophies. Galch in a package for Panarin would have made sense both ways imo. Yup! |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 26, 2018 14:08:47 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Aug 26, 2018 17:02:04 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember which team he originally signed with, but they seemed to be a collection of motley fools. Management didn't talk to the coaches, who are so clueless they couldn't figure out DD was a centre and not a winger, so they figured he was a lousy winger and cut him. While I was never a fan of DD (horrible misuse by Therrien), I still admire his guts and determination to make a career for himself and am really pleased his season has started out well in the KHL. Way to go Davey!
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 26, 2018 18:11:31 GMT -5
I'm trying to remember which team he originally signed with, but they seemed to be a collection of motley fools. Management didn't talk to the coaches, who are so clueless they couldn't figure out DD was a centre and not a winger, so they figured he was a lousy winger and cut him. While I was never a fan of DD (horrible misuse by Therrien), I still admire his guts and determination to make a career for himself and am really pleased his season has started out well in the KHL. Way to go Davey! Good for DD... he was the modern day Saku, used as a 1C but should have been a 2C... Saku was much loved and DD was for a bit but when MT favored him over galchy that's when the knives came out... I know they did for me, even thought it wasn't DDs fault. Glad to see he's still playing and making a living doing what he loves to do. |
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