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Post by PTH on May 8, 2018 20:04:25 GMT -5
The knock on Lars is below average offensive instincts. He’s great until he gets inside the offensive blue line but that’s ok in the right role. I saw him squander plenty of interesting offensive situations in game 5... I didn't miss that. I think with others in charge of offense, he can fill his role, but he needs to be on a team where there's no thought of his being a top 6 forward. I'd say in a way we're ahead since Danault can fill the role Lars best fills, as well, - the problem is how we never got any kind of replacement for center depth - we'd be better off with Eller right now, just to have a top-9 center option of any kind. |
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Post by franko on May 8, 2018 21:17:38 GMT -5
it’s notable that both Eller and Subban have experienced great success away from MTL. the (still-ongoing!?!) discussion about PK is moot. it's based on personality (he's a likable guy, after all, and Weber is . . . Weber). but with PK here the team isn't drafting 3rd (unless they pull a Carolina in the draft) -- they're drafting higher (or is it lower?). maybe in the playoffs. but not a contender. Markov would have been half a step slower. Radu? maybe a few more goals. but still too weak down the middle. the success is because they are on better teams. |
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Post by PTH on May 8, 2018 23:20:36 GMT -5
it’s notable that both Eller and Subban have experienced great success away from MTL. the (still-ongoing!?!) discussion about PK is moot. it's based on personality (he's a likable guy, after all, and Weber is . . . Weber). but with PK here the team isn't drafting 3rd (unless they pull a Carolina in the draft) -- they're drafting higher (or is it lower?). maybe in the playoffs. but not a contender. Markov would have been half a step slower. Radu? maybe a few more goals. but still too weak down the middle. the success is because they are on better teams. Frankly, I don't mind their success, moreso since they both did well here (ie, neither is suddenly discovering a dimension we had no clue could be there). That being said, I do mind how we didn't get a return commesurate with their actual value. The Eller deal wasn't for much, and we could have gotten something more attractive and even something that better fits with a retool on the fly, for PK. |
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Post by franko on May 9, 2018 5:34:49 GMT -5
the (still-ongoing!?!) discussion about PK is moot. it's based on personality (he's a likable guy, after all, and Weber is . . . Weber). but with PK here the team isn't drafting 3rd (unless they pull a Carolina in the draft) -- they're drafting higher (or is it lower?). maybe in the playoffs. but not a contender. Markov would have been half a step slower. Radu? maybe a few more goals. but still too weak down the middle. the success is because they are on better teams. Frankly, I don't mind their success, moreso since they both did well here (ie, neither is suddenly discovering a dimension we had no clue could be there). That being said, I do mind how we didn't get a return commesurate with their actual value. The Eller deal wasn't for much, and we could have gotten something more attractive and even something that better fits with a retool on the fly, for PK. with Eller, I'm not so sure; with PK, definitely didn't get what was needed. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 9, 2018 6:50:08 GMT -5
the (still-ongoing!?!) discussion about PK is moot. it's based on personality (he's a likable guy, after all, and Weber is . . . Weber). but with PK here the team isn't drafting 3rd (unless they pull a Carolina in the draft) -- they're drafting higher (or is it lower?). maybe in the playoffs. but not a contender. Markov would have been half a step slower. Radu? maybe a few more goals. but still too weak down the middle. the success is because they are on better teams. Frankly, I don't mind their success, moreso since they both did well here (ie, neither is suddenly discovering a dimension we had no clue could be there). That being said, I do mind how we didn't get a return commesurate with their actual value. The Eller deal wasn't for much, and we could have gotten something more attractive and even something that better fits with a retool on the fly, for PK. I thought Marc Bergevin did fine on the return for a Lars Eller ... not sure a retool was in the mix when he got traded, but Bergevin got a 2017 2nd-round pick and a 2018 2nd-round pick ( link) ... not bad for a 3rd-line centre ... Cheers. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 9, 2018 9:58:27 GMT -5
the (still-ongoing!?!) discussion about PK is moot. it's based on personality (he's a likable guy, after all, and Weber is . . . Weber). but with PK here the team isn't drafting 3rd (unless they pull a Carolina in the draft) -- they're drafting higher (or is it lower?). maybe in the playoffs. but not a contender. Markov would have been half a step slower. Radu? maybe a few more goals. but still too weak down the middle. the success is because they are on better teams. Frankly, I don't mind their success, moreso since they both did well here (ie, neither is suddenly discovering a dimension we had no clue could be there). That being said, I do mind how we didn't get a return commesurate with their actual value. The Eller deal wasn't for much, and we could have gotten something more attractive and even something that better fits with a retool on the fly, for PK. I agree, we sold low on both because it was a firesale... we had to get rid of them because management didn't like them |
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Post by franko on May 10, 2018 19:31:59 GMT -5
Wow. I turn the game on to see the 2nd Jets goal 10 minutes in. Unbelievable.
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Post by folatre on May 10, 2018 19:48:12 GMT -5
Subban with a laser on the power play.
Hopefully the Jets can stay out of the penalty box.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 19:50:02 GMT -5
Pretty sure if PK dropped like that in a Habs jersey, that'd be an embellishment call for him.
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Post by franko on May 10, 2018 19:55:13 GMT -5
Pretty sure if PK dropped like that in a Habs jersey, that'd be an embellishment call for him. Shoulda been there, especially with what they're letting go. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2018 20:03:11 GMT -5
Rinne. What is it with that guy on home ice?
So disappointing.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2018 20:16:59 GMT -5
Just turned in. Has Rinne been pulled already?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 20:21:32 GMT -5
PK's fooling himself if he thinks he's gonna get a call for that a second time.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 20:43:39 GMT -5
Wow, refs/NHL really wants Preds to win. Another Jets penalty.
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2018 20:44:37 GMT -5
Just turned in. Has Rinne been pulled already? Two leaky GA early. Saros has been excellent in a Jets'-dominated second period.... As I type this....Scheifele makes it 3-1. Doesn't look good for Nashville. |
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Post by frozone on May 10, 2018 20:47:15 GMT -5
Amazing how quickly the Jets turned a broken play into a quick one-timer on that 3rd goal. I love watching this hockey.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2018 20:49:18 GMT -5
Looks like they need a goalie that can close the deal.
Rinne will be 36 in November. Probably time To say goodbye.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 20:56:36 GMT -5
Looks like they need a goalie that can close the deal. Rinne will be 36 in November. Probably time To say goodbye. Maybe Bergevin can acquire him for Price.  |
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Post by franko on May 10, 2018 20:58:05 GMT -5
Looks like they need a goalie that can close the deal. Rinne will be 36 in November. Probably time To say goodbye. wonder if Poile was on the phone between periods. |
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2018 21:01:33 GMT -5
Looks like they need a goalie that can close the deal. Rinne will be 36 in November. Probably time To say goodbye. Me got solution for goolie woes.....his name is Jesus Price and he can be had CHEAP......just one lousy Swede named Forsebergy in return. |
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2018 21:03:23 GMT -5
Looks like they need a goalie that can close the deal. Rinne will be 36 in November. Probably time To say goodbye. Maybe Bergevin can acquire him for Price. All Poile has to do is convince his BergyPet that Rinne has CHARACTER |
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2018 21:08:30 GMT -5
These could be the two best teams in the league. I find it highly disappointing that one of them is being eliminated in the second round. But(man), that's the NHL.
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2018 21:12:04 GMT -5
Yeah, Hrudey was saying that tonight's performance should be the end for Rinne in Nashville.
Very deflating considering it's Game 7 at home--where he's had bad numbers in this series.
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Post by CentreHice on May 10, 2018 21:26:01 GMT -5
No team can overcome leaky goaltending....
Hope the Jets can beat Vegas.
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2018 21:26:48 GMT -5
Preds are a team built to win NOW. They may be interested in Price but unless they are going to trade for Price as a superstar, forget it.
Forsberg or forget it.....everybody else is getting up there in age.
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Post by jkr on May 10, 2018 21:27:45 GMT -5
Saros losing a shot he should have smothered. Stastny puts in the loose puck. Must be tough on the bench watching your goalies toss away a game 7.
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Post by Cranky on May 10, 2018 21:29:24 GMT -5
No team can overcome leaky goaltending.... That's why I have a tough time with "trade Price" for draft choices. Without him the last several years, we would be bottom dwellers. We got a glimpse of that this year and a few years back. We're simply not a good enough team to cover even moderately leaky goaltending. |
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Post by franko on May 10, 2018 21:47:35 GMT -5
Jets in 6 and I don't care,
but I'll say the Caps in 6, so Ovie finally makes it to the finals.
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Post by folatre on May 10, 2018 22:05:14 GMT -5
I am happy for Winnipeg. The emergence of Hellebyuck this season was huge. With the stellar play in net, all of the good work the organisation did up and down the roster suddenly earned the recognition it deserves.
The game is faster now than it was a generation ago, but watching the Jets they remind me a lot of the '89 Habs. There is a great young goalie in net just entering his prime. The defense is capable with plenty of physicality, some skill, and guys that love to compete. The forwards are stacked with size and skill, vets and young studs.
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Post by seventeen on May 10, 2018 23:54:12 GMT -5
I picked the Preds because its so often the case that an up and coming team needs to learn some lessons by losing before clearing that final hurdle. I didn't think the Jets had done that yet, but perhaps the problems they've had the past few years (when I kept predicting they'd do well and they kept proving me wrong), was that experience. It certainly was for Chevaldayoff and Maurice if not for the players. Scary to think that Laine has not contributed much at all to their achievements so far. Yikes.
Another .750 round.
ON to the next round wheere it's either zero, 100% or 50%.
Vegas vs Winnipeg. The clock strikes midnight and the coach (mode of transportation, not Trotz) turns back into a pumpkin. Jets in 5.
CAps vs Lightning - I don't know for sure, but I think Tampa is healthier than Washington. Backstrom is not 100%. Tampa in 6.
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