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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Apr 26, 2018 7:40:13 GMT -5
There's mention of John Tavares all over the boards which is the motivation for this thread ... according to Tavares' agent, Pat Brisson, Big John wants to see what happens in the playoffs before making up his mind ... if that's true then it suggests to me a few things ... first, Tavares will not be going back to Long Island, and ... secondly, if he's waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, I doubt he has Montreal in mind ... link ... Cheers.
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Post by blny on Apr 26, 2018 8:00:58 GMT -5
Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington, Tampa Winnipeg, Nashville, Las Vegas, San Jose
Those are the 8 teams left.
Scratch Pittsburgh for obvious reasons. Scratch Boston. Krejci and Bergeron are signed long term. I don't see a fit in Washington unless they move one of Kuznetsov or Backstrom. Moving the latter would make them younger. Backstrom is 30 and has two more years at $6.7 million. No dice in Tampa. In the end, I don't really see a good fit on any of the remaining teams.
Winnipeg would have to move out pieces and disrupt their core. I don't see them shelling out $12 million for a single player either. Nashville could sneak in. He and PK are close friends. The Preds would have to make adjustments that likely include the removal of one of their top 4 defenders. It's still going to be difficult to create the cap space. San Jose will have a lot of space on the roster and in the cap. Thornton is likely gone this summer. That leaves Pavelski and Couture who are also wingers at times. Both only have a year left at favorable cap hits. Kane, a player they acquired at the deadline and a situation where both sides seem happy, would be a draw. They have a lot of expiring contracts. Vegas could swing it. He'd be a marquee player in a marquee town.
Montreal will have to offer the max. I still think he likes the idea of being in the Eastern Conference.
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Post by Willie Dog on Apr 26, 2018 8:20:35 GMT -5
Pittsburgh, Boston, Washington, Tampa Winnipeg, Nashville, Las Vegas, San Jose Those are the 8 teams left. Scratch Pittsburgh for obvious reasons. Scratch Boston. Krejci and Bergeron are signed long term. I don't see a fit in Washington unless they move one of Kuznetsov or Backstrom. Moving the latter would make them younger. Backstrom is 30 and has two more years at $6.7 million. No dice in Tampa. In the end, I don't really see a good fit on any of the remaining teams. Winnipeg would have to move out pieces and disrupt their core. I don't see them shelling out $12 million for a single player either. Nashville could sneak in. He and PK are close friends. The Preds would have to make adjustments that likely include the removal of one of their top 4 defenders. It's still going to be difficult to create the cap space. San Jose will have a lot of space on the roster and in the cap. Thornton is likely gone this summer. That leaves Pavelski and Couture who are also wingers at times. Both only have a year left at favorable cap hits. Kane, a player they acquired at the deadline and a situation where both sides seem happy, would be a draw. They have a lot of expiring contracts. Vegas could swing it. He'd be a marquee player in a marquee town. Montreal will have to offer the max. I still think he likes the idea of being in the Eastern Conference. Good post... If he went to Nashville that would be insane if they added Tavares to that lineup. He could make Vegas a contender for a while imo.
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Post by folatre on Apr 29, 2018 20:01:08 GMT -5
It would help a ton if he actually has a strong geographical preference for Eastern North America over the West because at this point in time, based on nothing except money and likelihood of team to contend, I see San Jose, Vegas, and even to an extent St. Louis in a nice position for Tavares.
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Post by blny on Apr 29, 2018 22:18:18 GMT -5
It would help a ton if he actually has a strong geographical preference for Eastern North America over the West because at this point in time, based on nothing except money and likelihood of team to contend, I see San Jose, Vegas, and even to an extent St. Louis in a nice position for Tavares. Those teams definitely are logical. I know he was somewhat vocal a year ago talking about how much he desired to "stay in the NYC area". That lead some Rangers fans to think they might be a destination. Of course, there are the ties to the Leafs. He's a GTA kid, was a Leafs fan, etc.
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Post by folatre on May 21, 2018 19:44:33 GMT -5
So 75 year old Lou Lamoriello is taking over hockey operations (apparently no idea what Lamoriello's title will be because the former owner Wang may have left a poison pill type contract whereby firing Snow triggers a crazy buy-out clause).
Of course, the only thing anyone around the league actually cares about is whether Lamoriello's arrival helps the Islander's chances of resigning Tavares. It might help on the margin but after waiting this long, Tavares is probably going to let offers materialize and then make his decision.
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Post by seventeen on May 21, 2018 22:19:05 GMT -5
So 75 year old Lou Lamoriello is taking over hockey operations (apparently no idea what Lamoriello's title will be because the former owner Wang may have left a poison pill type contract whereby firing Snow triggers a crazy buy-out clause). Of course, the only thing anyone around the league actually cares about is whether Lamoriello's arrival helps the Islander's chances of resigning Tavares. It might help on the margin but after waiting this long, Tavares is probably going to let offers materialize and then make his decision. What a hoot. That Islanders owner is a real Yin-wang. "The league is getting faster and younger, so I'm hiring an old coot to head up our hockey operations. Lou is a real student of the game. I realize he's been in the same grade for 15 years running, but he tells me he's signing Scott Niedermayer on defense." If I'm another NHL GM (the bar isn't high, so it's not impossible), I'd be targeting any Islander player with facial hair. Give them a month under Lou and they'll be demanding a trade. Nick Leddy has a beard, no? I don't know what players think of Lou, but I'd think the hiring will hurt the Islanders chances of retaining Tavares. In fact, I think it's a wasted effort for them to even try. They have nothing to offer that he can't do better, elsewhere. I'll put my money on New Jersey. The team is in an obvious upward swing. They have Nischier already, at centre, and an elite winger in Hall, a respected coach and GM in Hynes and Shero. They play the game the way it is evolving and you know Shero is going to improve it in all areas, one by one. The Devils already have better goaltending than Tavares has ever played in front of. He won't have to move far, if at all. If not Jersey, then San Jose is another name that seems to be popping up. Some of their core players are older, though, so I'm not so sure how likely they are to win a cup in the next few years. But it's not a bad team, and if you add Tavares, and Thornton can have one more good year in him....who knows?
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Post by UberCranky on May 22, 2018 5:12:27 GMT -5
I love to sign Taveras...but given that we now have a second rate defense, we're not contending any time soon.
Imagine.....without the PK and Sergachev trade, adding Taveras would bring us into contention.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 24, 2018 10:27:40 GMT -5
I honestly don't know why John Tavares would sign with Montreal ... there's probably no better place to be when you're winning but there's nowhere to hide from the ensuing gong show every time something goes wrong ... I can't speak for Tavares, but that, alone, would be enough to detour me from signing with the Habs ... just hope there isn't a big letdown in the fan base should he sign elsewhere ... I wouldn't blame Marc Bergevin either if he fails to bring him in ... I think he's probably contacted the Tavares camp already, but I just don't think Bergevin can land him ... there's more $ (a la Radulov) and a better chance at a Cup to be made elsewhere, which I think is his priority ... don't know where he'll land, but he wanted to see how the playoffs went before making his decision ... that said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him wind up in Vegas ... the Golden Knights are projected to have a ~ $25 million in cap space for the 2018-19 season ... they're also one of the best-built businesses, from the front office to the dressing room, in the sport today ... Cheers.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 24, 2018 10:43:05 GMT -5
I highly doubt Tavares signs in Montreal either and I think MB should already know that since he is friends with Pat Brisson. "Hey Pat, you think John would have any interest in playing in Montreal?...No Marc he doesn't". It isn't tampering since it was never a formal talk about a contract and who would ever know if done while walking a fairway together. If that is the case the MB should already have the wheels in motion for Plan B. Don't see Tavares playing in Toronto either and being paid $12 mil a year to be the 2nd line center, it won't happen.
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Post by blny on May 24, 2018 13:25:10 GMT -5
Toronto is a non-starter imo. Way too much young forward talent all coming due at roughly the same time. With the trend being to sign guys to 8 year deals right out of their ELC, Tavares just doesn't fit. Besides, Toronto needs to invest in their D. It's what's holding them back at this point.
VGK is a possibility, but it will be interesting to see how GMGM handles this summer. Yes, they only have $50 million committed for next season. However, Karlsson and Theodore are key RFAs. Colin Miller is an RFA too, and he's had an excellent playoff. Karlsson would be the biggest priority. He's 25. Would he want an 8 year deal? Breakout year, or blip, it's going to be really hard to sign him for less than the $7 million Kane just got. Shea's just coming out of his ELC. If you could lock him down for 8 years at $5 million I think that might do it. He might want to limit to six years. That way he's UFA at 28 and has a greater chance at a big dollar contract than at 30. $5 million per is the number though. I'd be trying for the same contract with Miller. With those three, that's $17 million pretty easily. Then you're looking at the key UFAs on the roster. Neal and Perron likely sign for shorter term. I don't see Perron taking the $3.8 million he's currently making after a 66 point season. You might get him for $5.5 million. Neal, given his age, you might be able to keep for his current salary of $5 million. You've just spent all that cap space on those 5 key players and then some. The other thing to keep in mind is that the Knights don't have an extensive prospect pool. They just can't let key UFAs walk unless they want to take a step back. After the success of this season that would be hard to do.
The Sharks are no longer a contender for him imo. They just spent $7 million per on Kane. That halves the space they had. Even accounting for the raise in the cap ceiling, it won't be enough space to sign him and have enough more down the road for RFAs. Hertl and Tierney are RFA this year. Meier next year. They'll need space for those three. Unless they find someone to take Paul Martin's final year at nearly $5 million I don't see it.
Nashville? They were rumoured. A big ticket defender has to go though. Then you've got to tell RyJo or Turris they're moving to the wing. They've got $7.5 million in space before the cap raise. Some of that goes to Hartman's RFA contract bump if they intend to keep him. With RyJo, Turris, and Bonino down the middle I just don't see the fit. Could they trade one? Sure. None have a nmc/ntc. They just signed Turris though. In the end, I don't see it.
Who does that leave? Us, and the Islanders. Maybe Columbus. All three could throw a Brinks truck at him. Lou might bring some stability to the Island, but I don't see him as a person that convinces JT to sign. He wasn't going to be the reason if he stayed in TO and JT picked TO. He won't be the reason if JT decides to stay. Does he think Barzal, Beauvillier, Bailey, Ladd, Eberle, Greiss, and a very suspect defense are contenders? Bellows does give him another young forward, but is it enough? He'll be 28 at the start of the next season. He's in win now mode. Is that the Isles? I don't think his window and their window lineup. I think it would be out of character for Columbus to go after a fish like JT. Maybe they do, but I don't see it.
That brings us back to Montreal. The space is there. I've spelled out a roster I think can work. I do believe Price and Weber are draws. Julien is a cup winning coach. I think that can be a draw. Ducharme is a younger hockey mind with a serious list of credentials. His hire and Bouchard in Laval, signify a shift. I'm not saying Montreal wouldn't have to pony up the biggest cheque, but I do think there's (still) a legit chance they land him if they want him.
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Post by folatre on May 24, 2018 13:55:05 GMT -5
Habitual, exactly. It would not be difficult to probe informally and have a pretty good read on the situation.
No one is going to blame Bergvin for Tavares saying no thanks. Plan B is what worries me. My contention is that unless Price and Weber return to being truly elite (for Price top 3-4 goalies in the league and for Weber top 10 d-men), the Habs are probably not even a serious cluster pack team, let alone a contender. Therefore, Plan B needs to focused on increasing the stock of high-end young players. Wasting $45 million over the next five years on Bozak and Ian Cole is just the kind of summer business that scares me, along with turning Pacioretty into Saad or Toffoli.
I think it is best to wait a year before acquiring or committing to any more veterans. This pause would allow management to assess where Price and Weber are in their career trajectories and how good the guys entering their mid-20s actually are.
Maybe Brisson will do his buddy a solid and tell him to save the Habs resources for next summer because Duchene is open to playing in Montreal.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 25, 2018 7:18:54 GMT -5
No one is going to blame Bergvin for Tavares saying no thanks. I wouldn't be so sure on that ... the cyber-hatred for Marc Bergevin isn't as prevalent as it was a few weeks ago, but it's still there ... I'd even lump some of the Montreal media into that lobby ... some of them will be all over him if he "loses" out on the John Tavares sweepstakes, for whatever the reason ... I think the team will be better, but all three levels of the organization, Brampton, Laval and Montreal all need to be repaired ... I really believe that this is the draft that could determine the future of the franchise and Trevor Timmins can't botch this one up ... Cheers.
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Post by franko on May 25, 2018 7:36:45 GMT -5
No one is going to blame Bergvin for Tavares saying no thanks. I wouldn't be so sure on that ... the cyber-hatred for Marc Bergevin isn't as prevalent as it was a few weeks ago, but it's still there ... I'll say. it's become a lack of trust . . . Bergy went from "can do no wrong" to "can do no right" witht he PK trade. he'll never recover -- even if the Habs were to win the Cup next year someone is bound to say "we could have won last year if he'da kept Subban". TT has had some help with the botching. Kost for the fly ball instead of the home run; Tinordi and Mac poorly used and trained . . . and if MB decides that Kotkaniemi has moved up sufficiently enough to garner a good look and fill the need the Habs have (I wonder if any of our former #3 picks could?) then Timmins shouldn't be held to blame . . . then again, if I were him I'd be thinking that my services would be better used by a GM that trusts me.
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Post by blny on May 25, 2018 8:43:23 GMT -5
Habitual, exactly. It would not be difficult to probe informally and have a pretty good read on the situation. No one is going to blame Bergvin for Tavares saying no thanks. Plan B is what worries me. My contention is that unless Price and Weber return to being truly elite (for Price top 3-4 goalies in the league and for Weber top 10 d-men), the Habs are probably not even a serious cluster pack team, let alone a contender. Therefore, Plan B needs to focused on increasing the stock of high-end young players. Wasting $45 million over the next five years on Bozak and Ian Cole is just the kind of summer business that scares me, along with turning Pacioretty into Saad or Toffoli. I think it is best to wait a year before acquiring or committing to any more veterans. This pause would allow management to assess where Price and Weber are in their career trajectories and how good the guys entering their mid-20s actually are. Maybe Brisson will do his buddy a solid and tell him to save the Habs resources for next summer because Duchene is open to playing in Montreal. Plan b would definitely be the scariest potentially. Given how decisions made this spring lead some of us to believe that Berg may have been somewhat neutered, I wonder if he's allowed a "plan b". He may not even be allowed a "plan a", for all we know. However, if we assume from conversations as far back as cryptic messages from training camp golf tournies, Tavares is definitely on their radar. That doesn't mean he's allowed alternate plans for UFAs or trades though. He may very well have been directed that, "if you can't land the big fish you're going to tank a second year and hope to land the likes of Jack Hughes or one of the other top end centers projected for the 19 draft. If he is allowed a plan b, what would it consist of? A slew of second line centers likely led by ROR. Just doesn't excite me enough to part with the assets required. Hopefully that's the way the club feels.
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Post by folatre on May 29, 2018 16:27:28 GMT -5
I hope so, blny. Plan A moves the needle. Plan B is pretty much expensive mediocrity.
I believe that Molson has it wrong when he claims that this is Montreal and it is impossible to rebuild. Poor, non-entertaining hockey is more likely to suck the life out of the fan base than a strategically defined rebuild would. However, if Molson implicitly gives the nod to a Tavares or bust fork in the road this summer (i.e. implicitly permits a rebuild), then for me the variable that is going to make the rebuilding process less unifying and less likely to generate a nice optimistic vibe for the Habs fans is the presence of Bergevin. He has been around too long and become too divisive.
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Post by seventeen on May 29, 2018 23:42:36 GMT -5
Not realistic, either. I offer up another Toronto team as an example. Not the Leafs, the Blue Jays. Nothing is going right for them this year. Not that they were going to compete against the best in the major leagues, but they would have shot at the second wild card berth if their starting rotation held up and their bullpen was at least average and they didn't suffer many injuries. So, pretty well none of those things is happening, but they have two great prospects in Vlad Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette and the fan base is very excited for these guys to come up. Management is keeping them in the minors for now, but I expect they'll get called up sometime after the trade deadline when the Jays move off guys who can return some young prospects. That's exactly what the Habs should be doing instead of this meaningless effort to 'make the playoffs and anything can happen". No it can't. They can make the playoffs and be eliminated, that's what would happen, if they rush out to get ROR or Paul Stastny or god knows who else.
They have Poehling developing, along with Mete, Juulsen, Ikonen, Brook, Fleury, Primeau, McNiven, Hawkey, Scherbak, Evans, Lehkonen and DLR. What those kids have in common is that they're basically 22 and under. Drouin is just 24, Chuck is 25, Gallagher is 26, Hudon is 23, Danault is 25. Add in Zadina and the other kids who will be drafted with all those picks this year and it's easy to see that this team's peak will begin in 3 to 4 years. Why not maximize that by trading not only Pacioretty, but Weber and Shaw now and perhaps Price in 3 years when his contract will look more reasonable and shorter?
Making some futile attempt to appear competitive before your time is dumb. Suffer a bit and get REALLY competitive when you can maintain it and realistically challenge for the Cup. The fans might not like losing the next year or two, but they can be excited by the development of the kids and look forward to better times. The example is just up the road.
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Post by blny on May 30, 2018 6:08:22 GMT -5
Not realistic, either. I offer up another Toronto team as an example. Not the Leafs, the Blue Jays. Nothing is going right for them this year. Not that they were going to compete against the best in the major leagues, but they would have shot at the second wild card berth if their starting rotation held up and their bullpen was at least average and they didn't suffer many injuries. So, pretty well none of those things is happening, but they have two great prospects in Vlad Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette and the fan base is very excited for these guys to come up. Management is keeping them in the minors for now, but I expect they'll get called up sometime after the trade deadline when the Jays move off guys who can return some young prospects. That's exactly what the Habs should be doing instead of this meaningless effort to 'make the playoffs and anything can happen". No it can't. They can make the playoffs and be eliminated, that's what would happen, if they rush out to get ROR or Paul Stastny or god knows who else. Starting rotation, which was supposed to be the strength has been dreadful. Osuna's off-field issue likely means he'll eventually get shut down for the year. He's going to get 80 games for his transgression. They're just bumping his admin leave til 82 games have been played. The bullpen would be alright, Osuna aside, if they didn't have to consistently get called upon in the 5th inning. Escobar is a promising player. Solarte has been pretty good too. Biggio is having a nice year on the farm. He's a little older than Bichette and Guerrero, but he's another in a strong group of guys just sorta waiting in the wings.
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Post by franko on May 30, 2018 7:00:03 GMT -5
I've been suffering a lot lately with this team . . . Yup. We can take losing if we know there is hope -- that is, hope for "the Grail", not for "the first round maybe".
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Post by The Habitual Fan on May 30, 2018 8:31:54 GMT -5
Plan B for me would seriously try to trade Pacioretty to Edmonton for Nugent Hopkins and Nurse. Use your cap space to sign Carlson (big contract) and Fippula (small contract)
Galchenyuk-RNH-Gallagher Zadina-Drouin-Lehkonen Byron-Fippula-Sherbek Hudon-Danault-Shaw
Carlson - Weber Nurse-Petry Alzner-Mete Reilly/Juulsen - Schlemko/Lernout
Fippula gives you a cheaper center for 2-3 years while the kids developed and can skate with still higher skill left than Plekanc. Drouin moves to 2nd line center where he will not face as much pressure. Nurse and Carlson much improves last seasons defense and should help the Habs stay under the cap
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Post by seventeen on May 30, 2018 11:59:56 GMT -5
Plan B for me would seriously try to trade Pacioretty to Edmonton for Nugent Hopkins and Nurse. Use your cap space to sign Carlson (big contract) and Fippula (small contract) Galchenyuk-RNH-Gallagher Zadina-Drouin-Lehkonen Byron-Fippula-Sherbek Hudon-Danault-Shaw Carlson - Weber Nurse-Petry Alzner-Mete Reilly/Juulsen - Schlemko/Lernout Fippula gives you a cheaper center for 2-3 years while the kids developed and can skate with still higher skill left than Plekanc. Drouin moves to 2nd line center where he will not face as much pressure. Nurse and Carlson much improves last seasons defense and should help the Habs stay under the cap I love that deal, but if you proposed that, the Oiler fan would ask, "what are you going to augment Pacioretty with, for just one of RNH or Nurse". A 29 year old winger with one year left on his contract is not going to get you a 26 year old centre or a 23 year old left defenseman just coming into his own. Maybe last year, that might have worked, before both RNH and Nurse had excellent years and before Patches had his bad one and was a year younger. Regarding Carlson, I'd love to have him, but American UFA's don't like to go to Canada. It's a foreign country. Carlson will either stay with the Caps, or go to another US team that's a SC contender. To attract UFA's, you have to be a potential winner, because the player is going to get his money wherever he goes. The tax issues also help, which makes Southern US teams where they can bilk the taxpayer, more attractive to UFA's. Carlson, btw, is a RH d-man so you'd have a pretty strong right side with Weber, Carlson and Petry. That could be the top defense in the league, if one could pull it off.
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Post by folatre on May 31, 2018 17:22:54 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see what Edmonton does this summer. Nurse is coming on nicely now, so Chiarelli will have to figure out whether he should bridge him due to cap issues or sign him long term, signing him long term right probably means the necessity of finding someone to take Sekera or Russell.
With respect to wingers, it looks like RNH is probably going to continue playing with McDavid. I know they would still need a couple of upgrades on the top six, so it is not that the Oilers could not use Pacioretty but for me Edmonton does not look like a landing spot for him.
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Post by seventeen on May 31, 2018 18:25:28 GMT -5
That was my thought as well...that RNH seemed to fit in very well with McDavid. Playing him there solves a wing problem, and allows you to have him around in case McDavid or Draisaitl are injured. RNH was scoring at a good pace while with McDavid (as a good player should), probably as much as Pacioretty would.
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 26, 2018 21:21:08 GMT -5
A good read from Joey Alfieri (NBC Sports) on the Tavares list. Potential unrestricted free agent John Tavares will begin meeting with the teams on his shortlist on Monday. According to The Athletic writers Arthur Staple and Pierre LeBrun, that list includes: the Islanders, Maple Leafs, Stars, Sharks, Bruins and Lightning.
There’s pros and cons that are attached to every NHL city, so let’s take a look at those points for each of the teams Tavares is reportedly considering.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 27, 2018 7:39:12 GMT -5
A good read from Joey Alfieri (NBC Sports) on the Tavares list. Potential unrestricted free agent John Tavares will begin meeting with the teams on his shortlist on Monday. According to The Athletic writers Arthur Staple and Pierre LeBrun, that list includes: the Islanders, Maple Leafs, Stars, Sharks, Bruins and Lightning.
There’s pros and cons that are attached to every NHL city, so let’s take a look at those points for each of the teams Tavares is reportedly considering.That's a good link, CH, right on ... read somewhere that this ring-kissing ceremony is only in place to drive up the price for when John Tavares starts negotiating ... as far as Montreal is concerned, I was listening to TSN 690 yesterday and I agree with some of the panel when they suggested that Geoff Molson should be very concerned that Tavares wouldn't even give the Habs a foot in the door ... heard on 690 say this morning that Tavares probably views Montreal in the same category as Buffalo and Arizona, in that they're not contenders ... where will he go? ... dunno ... probably back to the Islanders, though he'd do well in San Jose ... Cheers.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2018 9:07:35 GMT -5
I was listening to TSN 690 yesterday and I agree with some of the panel when they suggested that Geoff Molson should be very concerned that Tavares wouldn't even give the Habs a foot in the door ... heard on 690 say this morning that Tavares probably views Montreal in the same category as Buffalo and Arizona, in that they're not contenders ... where will he go? ... dunno ... probably back to the Islanders, though he'd do well in San Jose ... Cheers. I'm reminded of the Mea Culpa Molson/Bergevin press conference at the end of the season when MB started to make excuses for UFA's not wanting to come to Montreal and Molson cut him off. I'd say Bergevin knew he had no chance at Tavares and was laying the groundwork already. Molson couldn't possibly be that ignorant or naive to think Tavares would actually consider Montreal. Every team he has on his short list has a reasonable chance of winning the Cup. Habs?....not even a phone call. Anyone thinking we can turn this around quickly should have a chat with John Tavares.
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2018 11:26:42 GMT -5
I do not feel disappointed about Tavares because I never thought there was any chance.
Of course, however, the deeper issue about how the Montreal Canadiens organisation is perceived by players and other professionals involved with the game is worrisome. Montreal is regressing over this management team's tenure; everyone in the league can see that. And moreover, there is a perception, not at all unfounded in my opinion, that the people at the helm continue to operate without any credible strategic vision and even worse the people in charge are likelier to blame players for whatever goes wrong rather than accepting the blame themselves.
Who wants to work for people like that?
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Post by CentreHice on Jun 27, 2018 12:31:08 GMT -5
I do not feel disappointed about Tavares because I never thought there was any chance. Of course, however, the deeper issue about how the Montreal Canadiens organisation is perceived by players and other professionals involved with the game is worrisome. Montreal is regressing over this management team's tenure; everyone in the league can see that. And moreover, there is a perception, not at all unfounded in my opinion, that the people at the helm continue to operate without any credible strategic vision and even worse the people in charge are likelier to blame players for whatever goes wrong rather than accepting the blame themselves. Who wants to work for people like that? Agree. And as I posted elsewhere....I wonder how players like Price and Weber enjoy their allure-factor diminished to negligible. Great players playing for subpar teams. We're not the only team in the league in this situation....but the Habs should NEVER be in this predicament. You can live on the "prestigious, hallowed, revered, flagship franchise" narrative for only so long. Those days are over, as far as UFAs in their primes are concerned. But there's still hope! Tavares will be back on the market in his mid-to-late 30s looking for a final lap/sunset contract! We'll get him then!
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 27, 2018 12:35:59 GMT -5
First, Patches doesn't fetch us two top-four/top-six. Maybe one and move on.
If Habs start the season with a 25 million kitty, not only am I going to break all the cyber furniture, I'm going to have a million supporters.
There is secondary players that won't have the bank thrown at them. DeHaan, Moore, JVR, Neal, to name a few.
Are we now apologist for dumb and dumber? "Gee, don't spend the money because they are stupid and will spend it badly". Seriously?
Hold on because I'm going to yell.....I DON'T CARE ABOUT SPENDING MOLSON MONEY.
Carry on.....
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Post by UberCranky on Jun 27, 2018 12:43:43 GMT -5
John Taveras.....is turning into a a hole. This ring kissing ceremony is going to put the biggest x on his back, the likes that we have never seen before. Who does he think he is? Bobby Ore? Mario Lemieux? He's nothing more then a really good, in the top 30 player in the NHL.
I hope he has really thick head....
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