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Post by folatre on May 16, 2019 13:13:02 GMT -5
The next few months will be busy with clubs signing their restricted free agents. And of course it is often mentioned that this RFA class is uniquely talented and will likely command serious resources.
Dallas signed Lindell today, 6 years/$34.8 million. He is a nice d-man and i can see why Dallas wanted to get him locked up since he would have been a UFA in 2021.
Guys like McAvoy, Werenski, and Provorov are in a slightly different position because none of them are getting close to unrestricted free agency. However, they are a notch above Lindell and their clubs must have winced today because it is a reminder for them that getting any of these guys to go with 6+ year deals is going to cost big time (I would say between 7-8 AAV if those clubs want to lock those guys up long term).
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 23, 2019 11:37:21 GMT -5
Glad I checked before starting a new thread ...
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Post by seventeen on May 23, 2019 18:06:07 GMT -5
Sheesh. I know the CAP is going up, but 6 x 6 for Brock Nelson? He'll be 28 most of next season, is durable and has averaged 22 goals a season and 21 assists the last 5 years. Six Mil for a consistent 43 point scorer? He's averaged .53 ppg over the last 5 seasons. Andrew Shaw has averaged .46 ppg over that same time. Would you pay Shaw, say, $5MM a year for 6 years? I think Lou overpaid here. Maybe they see more to the guy than I do, but that's a lot to pay a 43 point scorer.
For more context, Paul Byron scored .55 ppg last season, despite some injuries. Is Byron worth that much? I dunno.
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Post by blny on May 24, 2019 7:51:29 GMT -5
Sheesh. I know the CAP is going up, but 6 x 6 for Brock Nelson? He'll be 28 most of next season, is durable and has averaged 22 goals a season and 21 assists the last 5 years. Six Mil for a consistent 43 point scorer? He's averaged .53 ppg over the last 5 seasons. Andrew Shaw has averaged .46 ppg over that same time. Would you pay Shaw, say, $5MM a year for 6 years? I think Lou overpaid here. Maybe they see more to the guy than I do, but that's a lot to pay a 43 point scorer. For more context, Paul Byron scored .55 ppg last season, despite some injuries. Is Byron worth that much? I dunno. Lou being Lou. |
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Post by BadCompany on May 24, 2019 8:59:42 GMT -5
I suspect that percent of the cap is probably the negotiating number that is used in all these salary talks. Assuming a cap of about $83 million next year, Nelson’s cap hit percentage is 7.23%. For comparison’s sake, Jonathon Drouin’s, at the time of his signing (which is how capfriendly lists all these things), was 7.5%. For grins and giggles, and because it’s Friday and it beats working, I looked at some of the players around Nelson in terms of cap hit percentage, and what their point totals were the year right before they signed their current contracts. Here are some of them: Brock Nelson: 53 points, 7.23%Andrew Ladd: 46 points, 7.53% Jonathon Drouin: 53 points, 7.53% Mikko Koivu: 58 points, 7.33% Bo Horvat: 52 points, 7.33% Derick Brassard: 45 points, 7.25% James Neal: 44 points, 7.23% Franz Nielsen: 52 points, 7.19% Mika Zibanejad: 37 points (56 games), 7.13% Mikael Backlund: 53 points, 7.13% Mike Hoffman: 59 points, 7.11% Tomas Hertl: 46 points, 7.08% Tomas Tatar: 46 points, 7.07% www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2019/caphit-percent/all/forwards&display=caphit-percent&hide=handed&limits=caphit-5000000-6000000It’s an interesting way to look at it, as not only does it provide a little more context to these numbers, but it exonerates some players who we think are underperforming (cough Drouin cough Shaw) when in fact they are playing right around where their contracts say they should be playing. Of course some players are great bargains, and some are great busts, but if you remove “expectations” from the equation a lot of guys are right where they should be, money-wise. |
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Post by folatre on May 24, 2019 9:45:11 GMT -5
I like looking at those kind of numbers too. Fridays and work justify distractions, jeje.
One thing to ponder is whether a player's cap hit percentage for RFA years should really be compared to a player's UFA years. I am not saying, for example, that Drouin is bad value for the money but Bergevin only bought one UFA year from Drouin with that six year contract. Lou is buying six UFA years from Nelson.
I know the league is changing and so is cap architecture. Younger players are enjoying a bigger piece of the pie. However, UFAs still have more leverage than RFAs, particularly RFA who lack arbitration rights.
For me I would not want a career .5 ppg forward at 6 x 6 but I do not necessarily think it is a bad deal for the Islanders. Lamoriello was bidding on a different class of commodity. He must have judged that there is not a kid or a journeyman who can give the team what Nelson provides.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 3, 2019 11:25:44 GMT -5
I've followed this website for years now and there was always something to their rumours ...
Translated from French by Microsoft
Exclusive: I am told that Erik Karlsson has informed the Senators that his family would like to return to Ottawa, but the answer was no. He would now have eyes to NYC.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 3, 2019 13:28:20 GMT -5
I suspect that percent of the cap is probably the negotiating number that is used in all these salary talks. Assuming a cap of about $83 million next year, Nelson’s cap hit percentage is 7.23%. For comparison’s sake, Jonathon Drouin’s, at the time of his signing (which is how capfriendly lists all these things), was 7.5%. For grins and giggles, and because it’s Friday and it beats working, I looked at some of the players around Nelson in terms of cap hit percentage, and what their point totals were the year right before they signed their current contracts. Here are some of them: Brock Nelson: 53 points, 7.23%Andrew Ladd: 46 points, 7.53% Jonathon Drouin: 53 points, 7.53% Mikko Koivu: 58 points, 7.33% Bo Horvat: 52 points, 7.33% Derick Brassard: 45 points, 7.25% James Neal: 44 points, 7.23% Franz Nielsen: 52 points, 7.19% Mika Zibanejad: 37 points (56 games), 7.13% Mikael Backlund: 53 points, 7.13% Mike Hoffman: 59 points, 7.11% Tomas Hertl: 46 points, 7.08% Tomas Tatar: 46 points, 7.07% www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2019/caphit-percent/all/forwards&display=caphit-percent&hide=handed&limits=caphit-5000000-6000000It’s an interesting way to look at it, as not only does it provide a little more context to these numbers, but it exonerates some players who we think are underperforming (cough Drouin cough Shaw) when in fact they are playing right around where their contracts say they should be playing. Of course some players are great bargains, and some are great busts, but if you remove “expectations” from the equation a lot of guys are right where they should be, money-wise. It's a simple way of negotiating a contract, except for the point I made earlier. Instead of using the guy's last season I used an average of his last 5. I ignored seasons where the guy was young, still learning things and not scoring well. Generally I worked out the scoring numbers after they'd 'broken out'. As we know a lot of guys typically have great seasons in their last contract season. Why should the team pay for one career season? His average is 42 points per season. Yet Lou is paying him to score 53 points per season. Maybe he just can't afford to lose him and so overpays. That happens. It's still debatable whether its a fair contract. We won't know until a few years from now when we can look back. We could, as an data mining exercise, look back on a few of the guys on that list. Andrew Ladd has scored an average (prorated for last years injury) of 31 points per season. Koivu, signed for two years in 2017 averaged 47 pro rated points, but like Ladd, missed 34 games last year. Horvat is a case like Drouin, where you are paying for expected production and I have no problem with that. They're both young and you expect them to get better and score more. The Koivu's, Ladds and Nelsons are mature players who aren't going to have a scoring explosion. Derrick Brassard - Brassard is 31 and signed his contract in 2014 when he was going to turn 28 before the next season started. He's a pretty good comparison. Since signing that contract (after averaging about 45 points per season the 4 seasons prior), he has averaged 45 points per season. Pretty good then, right? The danger is noted in the way he averaged those numbers. The first 2 years of that contract he scored 59 points per season. The last 3 seasons he's averaged 36 points per season. I won't go through the rest of the list as it isn't a PhD dissertation, but my conclusion would be that a youngish guy who is 22-24 with offensive upside scoring in that 43-48 point range may be worth paying 7% of your CAP to. I'd be very careful paying a 28 year old that kind of money, especially if its a long term deal, as there is a strong possibility you will regret it sooner or later. Ok, not finished yet. I had to look up Franz Nielson, who signed his contract after a 52 point season. Since then, average is 36 points per season and he's still got 3 years left on that contract. Nielsen was 32 when he signed. Good luck Steve Yzerman. Matt Moulson is also on CAPfriendly's list of players in the same category as those others listed above, between Brassard and Neal. He's averaging a point per game the last two seasons, but unfortunately it's been in the AHL. Not a good signing by Buffalo. That probably relates more to pure poor management than anything else. But Ken Holland is the guy who gave Nielsen his contract and he's not an idiotic rookie. Holland, not doubt was pressured to keep making the playoffs by ownership. Still, it points out how badly these can turn out. Don't trust anyone over 30.  |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 3, 2019 15:34:33 GMT -5
I've followed this website for years now and there was always something to their rumours ... Translated from French by MicrosoftExclusive: I am told that Erik Karlsson has informed the Senators that his family would like to return to Ottawa, but the answer was no. He would now have eyes to NYC. Montreal's not far away. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 3, 2019 17:19:21 GMT -5
I've followed this website for years now and there was always something to their rumours ... Translated from French by MicrosoftExclusive: I am told that Erik Karlsson has informed the Senators that his family would like to return to Ottawa, but the answer was no. He would now have eyes to NYC. Montreal's not far away. I think he's damaged goods... definately not worth what he'd want imo |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 3, 2019 17:52:14 GMT -5
One would have to find out what he wants. I'm not as concerned about damaged goods because there was a stretch late in the season and early playoffs where he was healthier than he'd been in a while (though I doubt 100%) and he was dominant. The Sharks were cruising. He makes that much of a difference. I saw him skating during that time and he pulled away from guys, like the 'old' Karlsson. I'd hesitate to offer a 7 year deal, but 6 at more money? It sounds very much like he'd like to be back in the Ottawa/Montreal area. Worth kicking the tires on, anyway.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 3, 2019 18:35:00 GMT -5
I suspect that percent of the cap is probably the negotiating number that is used in all these salary talks. Assuming a cap of about $83 million next year, Nelson’s cap hit percentage is 7.23%. For comparison’s sake, Jonathon Drouin’s, at the time of his signing (which is how capfriendly lists all these things), was 7.5%. For grins and giggles, and because it’s Friday and it beats working, I looked at some of the players around Nelson in terms of cap hit percentage, and what their point totals were the year right before they signed their current contracts. Here are some of them: Brock Nelson: 53 points, 7.23%Andrew Ladd: 46 points, 7.53% Jonathon Drouin: 53 points, 7.53% Mikko Koivu: 58 points, 7.33% Bo Horvat: 52 points, 7.33% Derick Brassard: 45 points, 7.25% James Neal: 44 points, 7.23% Franz Nielsen: 52 points, 7.19% Mika Zibanejad: 37 points (56 games), 7.13% Mikael Backlund: 53 points, 7.13% Mike Hoffman: 59 points, 7.11% Tomas Hertl: 46 points, 7.08% Tomas Tatar: 46 points, 7.07% www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2019/caphit-percent/all/forwards&display=caphit-percent&hide=handed&limits=caphit-5000000-6000000It’s an interesting way to look at it, as not only does it provide a little more context to these numbers, but it exonerates some players who we think are underperforming (cough Drouin cough Shaw) when in fact they are playing right around where their contracts say they should be playing. Of course some players are great bargains, and some are great busts, but if you remove “expectations” from the equation a lot of guys are right where they should be, money-wise. It's a simple way of negotiating a contract, except for the point I made earlier. Instead of using the guy's last season I used an average of his last 5. I ignored seasons where the guy was young, still learning things and not scoring well. Generally I worked out the scoring numbers after they'd 'broken out'. As we know a lot of guys typically have great seasons in their last contract season. Why should the team pay for one career season? His average is 42 points per season. Yet Lou is paying him to score 53 points per season. Maybe he just can't afford to lose him and so overpays. That happens. It's still debatable whether its a fair contract. We won't know until a few years from now when we can look back. We could, as an data mining exercise, look back on a few of the guys on that list. Andrew Ladd has scored an average (prorated for last years injury) of 31 points per season. Koivu, signed for two years in 2017 averaged 47 pro rated points, but like Ladd, missed 34 games last year. Horvat is a case like Drouin, where you are paying for expected production and I have no problem with that. They're both young and you expect them to get better and score more. The Koivu's, Ladds and Nelsons are mature players who aren't going to have a scoring explosion. Derrick Brassard - Brassard is 31 and signed his contract in 2014 when he was going to turn 28 before the next season started. He's a pretty good comparison. Since signing that contract (after averaging about 45 points per season the 4 seasons prior), he has averaged 45 points per season. Pretty good then, right? The danger is noted in the way he averaged those numbers. The first 2 years of that contract he scored 59 points per season. The last 3 seasons he's averaged 36 points per season. I won't go through the rest of the list as it isn't a PhD dissertation, but my conclusion would be that a youngish guy who is 22-24 with offensive upside scoring in that 43-48 point range may be worth paying 7% of your CAP to. I'd be very careful paying a 28 year old that kind of money, especially if its a long term deal, as there is a strong possibility you will regret it sooner or later. Ok, not finished yet. I had to look up Franz Nielson, who signed his contract after a 52 point season. Since then, average is 36 points per season and he's still got 3 years left on that contract. Nielsen was 32 when he signed. Good luck Steve Yzerman. Matt Moulson is also on CAPfriendly's list of players in the same category as those others listed above, between Brassard and Neal. He's averaging a point per game the last two seasons, but unfortunately it's been in the AHL. Not a good signing by Buffalo. That probably relates more to pure poor management than anything else. But Ken Holland is the guy who gave Nielsen his contract and he's not an idiotic rookie. Holland, not doubt was pressured to keep making the playoffs by ownership. Still, it points out how badly these can turn out. Don't trust anyone over 30. So we are in agreement that Brendan Gallagher (who has averaged 50 points a season over the last 5 if you prorate the years he was injured), when he turns 29 and turns UFA, is only worth 6M tops ... If he continues getting 30 goals, 20 assists |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 3, 2019 19:05:16 GMT -5
Montreal's not far away. I think he's damaged goods... definately not worth what he'd want imo had a strong 2nd half to last season ... I don't know which game he kicked it in at, but he finished with 3G - 42A in 53GP ... he's a righty, though, and we're not hurting on the right side ... I posted a tweet earlier that suggested that the NY Rangers could be a destination ... I can see him on Broadway ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 3, 2019 23:05:43 GMT -5
If it is true that Karlsson or his agent reached out to Ottawa, I find that to be truly remarkable. It seemed as though Karlsson had a very frayed relationship with Melnyk and Dorion.
The prime Karlsson was an incredible hockey player and I think that he is still elite. But the injuries have started to pile up and I would be wary of going long term.
I may be wrong, but I have a hard time seeing him getting any max term offers in the 11-12 million per range. I could certainly see 5 years/$55 million, 6/$62 million, or 7/$69.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 4, 2019 9:05:04 GMT -5
I would roll the dice on Karlsson. I'd throw him out there with Shea, even though they are both righties. I see as Webber backing up Karlsson like Methot used to do.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 4, 2019 11:44:51 GMT -5
It's a simple way of negotiating a contract, except for the point I made earlier. Instead of using the guy's last season I used an average of his last 5. I ignored seasons where the guy was young, still learning things and not scoring well. Generally I worked out the scoring numbers after they'd 'broken out'. As we know a lot of guys typically have great seasons in their last contract season. Why should the team pay for one career season? His average is 42 points per season. Yet Lou is paying him to score 53 points per season. Maybe he just can't afford to lose him and so overpays. That happens. It's still debatable whether its a fair contract. We won't know until a few years from now when we can look back. We could, as an data mining exercise, look back on a few of the guys on that list. Andrew Ladd has scored an average (prorated for last years injury) of 31 points per season. Koivu, signed for two years in 2017 averaged 47 pro rated points, but like Ladd, missed 34 games last year. Horvat is a case like Drouin, where you are paying for expected production and I have no problem with that. They're both young and you expect them to get better and score more. The Koivu's, Ladds and Nelsons are mature players who aren't going to have a scoring explosion. Derrick Brassard - Brassard is 31 and signed his contract in 2014 when he was going to turn 28 before the next season started. He's a pretty good comparison. Since signing that contract (after averaging about 45 points per season the 4 seasons prior), he has averaged 45 points per season. Pretty good then, right? The danger is noted in the way he averaged those numbers. The first 2 years of that contract he scored 59 points per season. The last 3 seasons he's averaged 36 points per season. I won't go through the rest of the list as it isn't a PhD dissertation, but my conclusion would be that a youngish guy who is 22-24 with offensive upside scoring in that 43-48 point range may be worth paying 7% of your CAP to. I'd be very careful paying a 28 year old that kind of money, especially if its a long term deal, as there is a strong possibility you will regret it sooner or later. Ok, not finished yet. I had to look up Franz Nielson, who signed his contract after a 52 point season. Since then, average is 36 points per season and he's still got 3 years left on that contract. Nielsen was 32 when he signed. Good luck Steve Yzerman. Matt Moulson is also on CAPfriendly's list of players in the same category as those others listed above, between Brassard and Neal. He's averaging a point per game the last two seasons, but unfortunately it's been in the AHL. Not a good signing by Buffalo. That probably relates more to pure poor management than anything else. But Ken Holland is the guy who gave Nielsen his contract and he's not an idiotic rookie. Holland, not doubt was pressured to keep making the playoffs by ownership. Still, it points out how badly these can turn out. Don't trust anyone over 30. So we are in agreement that Brendan Gallagher (who has averaged 50 points a season over the last 5 if you prorate the years he was injured), when he turns 29 and turns UFA, is only worth 6M tops ... If he continues getting 30 goals, 20 assists Gallagher brings a few of those 'intangibles' that some of the other guys don't, but yeah, I'd have a hard time paying him more than 7-8% of the CAP. It will be curious to see what he does ask for. His last contract while it gave him security, ended up being a real bargain for Montreal. In one way, I think it's better to pay someone what they're worth, because when the cheap contract ends, the player (eg. Pacioretty) will want to make up ground. |
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Post by blny on Jun 4, 2019 12:12:21 GMT -5
As the cap goes up ...
We haven't seen the model from other leagues transfer over yet, with stars taking the bulk of the money. Until that happens, the mid-card guys are still going to get paid. Brendan will be 29 when his contract expires. Brock Nelson will be 28 when his deal starts in the Fall. I think Gallagher is the better player, but he will be a year older when his new deal starts. I can't see him taking less than Brock though. We should expect something like a 6x6 deal.
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Post by folatre on Jun 4, 2019 21:53:51 GMT -5
I agree, blny, Gallagher is a better player than Nelson.
In 488 games, Gallagher is a .596 points/game and .309 goals/game player.
In 480 games, Nelson is a .502 points/game and .258 goals/game player.
Not a world of difference, but a gap nevertheless.
For sure, what Gallagher is worth two summers from now will depend if he can stay healthy and stay on the roll he has been on the last two seasons.
It is hard to predict 24 months out, but I would say that Gallagher’s UFA market value will be something like 6 years/$42 million.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 5, 2019 8:59:29 GMT -5
I'd give bGal 6x6
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Post by folatre on Jun 6, 2019 20:42:02 GMT -5
One somewhat notable RFA signing today: Mati Janmark, 1 year, $2.3 million
This would basically be a little to no interest piece of news if not for Janmark's case closely resembling Armia's.
Janmark is 26 years old and one year away from free agency, like Armia; moreover, their career numbers as bottom six forwards are virtually identical. Janmark with 40 goals and 88 points in 235 games; Armia with 39 goals and 81 points in 237 games.
Evidently Dallas is not that high on the Swede because they could not find a number that would have translated into a longer deal. The contract that Janmark accepted does tell us something about what Armia is worth on a one year deal right now as a RFA. The question is whether Bergevin likes Armia enough to buy a couple of UFA years as well. If Montreal commits on that level, then it would probably cost closer to three per. Since Armia seems to like Julien and Montreal, I would assume he would probably pick option B (3 years/$8.55 million) over option A (Janmark's contract).
But Bergevin needs to think it through. It is well known that he loves Shaw and Gallagher. Plus, Suzuki is on the way. Weal is there for the fourth line. So really is Armia considered a necessary piece beyond 2019-20? I am not saying that, hypothetically, if Bergevin gives him 3/8.55 that Armia could not be traded later on, though if his career trajectory reverts to looking like a fourth liner then Montreal could conceivably find few takers for a guy making 2.85 per.
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Post by BadCompany on Jun 7, 2019 9:02:07 GMT -5
One somewhat notable RFA signing today: Mati Janmark, 1 year, $2.3 million This would basically be a little to no interest piece of news if not for Janmark's case closely resembling Armia's. Janmark is 26 years old and one year away from free agency, like Armia; moreover, their career numbers as bottom six forwards are virtually identical. Janmark with 40 goals and 88 points in 235 games; Armia with 39 goals and 81 points in 237 games. Evidently Dallas is not that high on the Swede because they could not find a number that would have translated into a longer deal. The contract that Janmark accepted does tell us something about what Armia is worth on a one year deal right now as a RFA. The question is whether Bergevin likes Armia enough to buy a couple of UFA years as well. If Montreal commits on that level, then it would probably cost closer to three per. Since Armia seems to like Julien and Montreal, I would assume he would probably pick option B (3 years/$8.55 million) over option A (Janmark's contract). But Bergevin needs to think it through. It is well known that he loves Shaw and Gallagher. Plus, Suzuki is on the way. Weal is there for the fourth line. So really is Armia considered a necessary piece beyond 2019-20? I am not saying that, hypothetically, if Bergevin gives him 3/8.55 that Armia could not be traded later on, though if his career trajectory reverts to looking like a fourth liner then Montreal could conceivably find few takers for a guy making 2.85 per. I could live with $2.3 million for Armia, but I suspect that the no-tax situation in Texas would drive that number up here. Like you said, how many years does Bergevin want to lock Armia up for? Generally Bergevin is pretty good at getting guys on the cheap, so we'll have to see how this one plays out. I wouldn't call Armia a core player by any stretch, and at his age I think it's fairly safe to assume he's never going to break out offensively. But while it may be tempting to consider him expendable he is one of the few forwards on this team with any size and strength. He's not a smasher by any means, but watching these playoffs has made it clear to me that while there is more room for smaller players now than there used to be, it's still a big man's game. Teams still try to hit, grind, and crush you into submission. It's still a war of attrition in many cases. I'm not saying we sacrifice skill for size, but there is no doubt in my mind that we need to get bigger. Losing Armia doesn't help in that regards. Like I said, he's not core, and I won't weep too many tears if he isn't back, but he does have something we lack. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 7, 2019 11:47:12 GMT -5
BC, it really is a tough call. Armia does not have much leverage, well I guess arbitration if he wishes to go there. However, that route would probably seal his departure from Montreal after the season because Bergevin would probably hold it against him. Plus, I am not sure he would get more than $150,000-200,000 more than what Bergevin will offer on a one year deal and does Armia really want the club with the help of analytics to detail how he was an offensive drag on Kotkaniemi and that he only scored six even strength goals in 57 games?
I like Armia, but as you say he is not a core piece so if Bergevin is leaning toward offering three years then he needs to be honest with himself about how married he is to Shaw and Gallagher. If he is then it is imperative to keep the AAV reasonable because Armia may need to moved in the second or third year of the deal.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2019 11:46:05 GMT -5
Sanheim took a bridge deal from Philadelphia -- 2 years/$6.5 million.
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Post by blny on Jun 24, 2019 12:13:50 GMT -5
Sanheim took a bridge deal from Philadelphia -- 2 years/$6.5 million. He's going to be pulling down a Subban-esque contract when this one expires. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 24, 2019 13:46:33 GMT -5
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Post by blny on Jun 25, 2019 5:23:55 GMT -5
VGk signed W. Karlsson to an 8 year extension. AAV is $5.9 million. His production came back to Earth after the career year in 17-18. At 26, it's a reasonable contract. I thought he might get something in the area of $7 million per, and he might have if it came after the career year.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 25, 2019 8:19:05 GMT -5
Another thing many keep forgetting, is the compensation has to be consecutive seasons, but can be done over a 5 years period. So in laymans terms The 4 first round picks can be (2020,2021,2022,2023) … or if you do not have a 2020 first round pick (2021,2022,2023,2024) |
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Post by folatre on Jun 25, 2019 8:28:16 GMT -5
VGk signed W. Karlsson to an 8 year extension. AAV is $5.9 million. His production came back to Earth after the career year in 17-18. At 26, it's a reasonable contract. I thought he might get something in the area of $7 million per, and he might have if it came after the career year. I agree. The 40 goal season is probably going to prove to be an outlier. This contract will prove fair if he can score 25-29 per season and provide solid two-play play. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 8, 2019 18:21:20 GMT -5
Wow, coming off a 56 point season, 23 year old Kevin Labanc took a one year/$1 million deal from San Jose.
I like guys who want to be part of winning organizations and put the team first, but that is insane. Even if the player thinks Wilson will hook me up next year after Thornton retires, he could suffer a major injury.
Jeje, Lehkonen and Armia must not have enjoyed hearing this news.
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Post by jkr on Jul 8, 2019 19:09:54 GMT -5
Time to fire his agent or whoever talked him into that.
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