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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2019 20:04:30 GMT -5
Time to fire his agent or whoever talked him into that. But he signed it. Is he that dumb? Does Wilson have photos? Just think how cheap an offer sheet you could have given him. Too late. You'd almost think there's a wink, wink, nudge nudge agreement between GM's to avoid offer sheets. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 9, 2019 11:36:34 GMT -5
I still cannot believe this contract. Heck, he was even arbitration eligible.
I wish I knew this guy personally because after work I need to mow the lawn and weed the flower bed and Labanc is such a swell guy he would probably come over and work for free while I crack open a cold pop.
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Post by jkr on Jul 9, 2019 15:49:53 GMT -5
Maybe you can get him to babysit so you & your wife can have a date night.  |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 9, 2019 17:05:39 GMT -5
From what I've read today, the stories indicate Lebanc wanted to give Wilson some breathing room on his CAP space (  ). I'd find that more believable if he was due a $5MM contract (which is where his performance puts him) and settled for $4MM. There's still something really fishy about that contract. (pun intended) |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 9, 2019 19:19:31 GMT -5
I don’t see Lehkonen’s, Armia’s and Hudon’s camps thrilled with that result. That is highway robbery for that kind of production.
Does Wilson bring back Jumbo + with that cap space or does he go younger and faster, like most other teams?
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Post by folatre on Jul 9, 2019 22:39:16 GMT -5
The consensus on the NHL Network is that Thornton will return, though obviously at something less than the $5 million he collected last season.
In Spanish we say a person who is naive or makes a decision against his own self-interest is un gil. I hope Labanc has a good season and above all does not suffer a serious injury or get traded to a club whose GM would not owe him a favour, but it is a real head-scratcher why he would sign a deal so completely incongruous with the market rate for what he had accomplished.
Lehkonen and Armia, as well as all non-stud RFAs, must be a little unhappy. But in reality they are insulated from this because they have their arbitration option lined up so they are not taking $1 million not even in their worst nightmare.
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Post by folatre on Jul 10, 2019 16:23:44 GMT -5
Away from the parallel universe that Labanc signed in and back to the real market. There was another comparable today that helps locate Armia and Lehkonen's value. Iafallo signed for 2 years/$4.85 million. He is 25 years old and in his two NHL seasons since he came out of the NCAA he averaged .369 points per game.
This makes Iafallo almost a perfect direct comparable to Lehkonen. Armia is less productive offensively but he is one year closer to UFA status than Iafallo.
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Post by folatre on Jul 23, 2019 17:17:21 GMT -5
The first arbitration decision of the summer: Copp, 2 years/$4.56 million.
And it is kind of odd to see a 26 year old third liner without much visible upside get a seven year contract, but that is just what Nashville gave Colton Sissions. Granted, the annual cap hit is a shade under $2.9 million.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 24, 2019 0:21:19 GMT -5
Doesn't make any sense at all to me. Thirty points last year after 27 the year before that. Did he improve so much that he's worth nearly $3MM a season? Or maybe it's just salaries going up, up and away. Byron makes $500K more and scored 35 the season before and a prorated 45 last year. He seems the better bargain than Sissons. Though maybe their corresponding RFA/UFA statuses may have played a role. Sissons is bigger and a centre, so maybe that played a role? An Eller type? Poile's not usually stupid so I'm probably under rating Sissons.
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Post by folatre on Aug 14, 2019 21:36:48 GMT -5
Erne signs one year deal with Detroit for $1.05 million. Probably the more interesting part is that he was traded by Tampa just a few hours beforehand with the Lightning receiving a fourth round pick in return.
I know that Tampa has to be careful about every single dollar dedicated to bottom six type forwards and third pair d-men, but considering that Erne had a respectable season it feels like an underwhelming return. Beyond the cap issue, it just seems like Tampa, a team not notably gritty or tough, has managed to grow even softer this off-season. Saying goodbye to Callahan, Girardi, Miller, and Erne does not represent a big talent hit to their roster, but those guys were among the few that actually had some sandpaper.
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Post by folatre on Aug 21, 2019 18:21:32 GMT -5
Colin White signs for 6 years/$28.5 million. This qualifies as a mild surprise given the term and what I think is the fair market AAV for the player.
Of course, there are a couple of classic Melnyk fingerprints on this contract; namely, the last year of the deal constitutes 22 percent of the total value so it is not crazy to think Ottawa will never be cutting those cheques and the kid did not manage to get a single dollar in signing bonuses.
But, overall, this could fairly be seen as Ottawa trying to do the right thing.
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Post by folatre on Aug 28, 2019 18:53:51 GMT -5
Beauvillier signs for 2 years/$4.2 million coming off his entry level contract.
I have no problem with the deal that Lehkonen received but at least offensively it is hard to figure how Beauvillier got 15 percent less than Lehkonen. I guess Lehkonen's defensive play and penalty killing made Montreal somewhat more generous than his productivity would otherwise warrant.
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Post by folatre on Sept 4, 2019 12:25:50 GMT -5
Well, this is jumping ahead a whole season since he has one year to go on his ELC, Keller is taking an 8 year/$57.2 million extension from Arizona. He is a really nice player, good in every facet of the game though it could be argued not quite elite in any.
It is interesting to see a kid okay with the long-term option because it seems that since the Matthews deal the new thinking from the star players' perspective is just sign for five years max and cash in again sooner and bigger.
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Post by Tankdriver on Sept 4, 2019 13:31:27 GMT -5
Well, this is jumping ahead a whole season since he has one year to go on his ELC, Keller is taking an 8 year/$57.2 million extension from Arizona. He is a really nice player, good in every facet of the game though it could be argued not quite elite in any. It is interesting to see a kid okay with the long-term option because it seems that since the Matthews deal the new thinking from the star players' perspective is just sign for five years max and cash in again sooner and bigger. It's someone trying to be proactive in their job. Will Keller breakout with Kessel on his wing? I think he (Keller) has atleast another 20-30 point production increase in his stats so by the end of year 8 that contract will be a steal. It's better to pay a 21 year old 7 million till he is 28 than someone that is 28 till their 36 IMHO. |
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Post by blny on Sept 4, 2019 14:16:37 GMT -5
Well, this is jumping ahead a whole season since he has one year to go on his ELC, Keller is taking an 8 year/$57.2 million extension from Arizona. He is a really nice player, good in every facet of the game though it could be argued not quite elite in any. It is interesting to see a kid okay with the long-term option because it seems that since the Matthews deal the new thinking from the star players' perspective is just sign for five years max and cash in again sooner and bigger. It's interesting in that his peers are seemingly all shifting to 5 year deals. No doubt income tax is part of his factoring. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Sept 4, 2019 15:53:27 GMT -5
It's someone trying to be proactive in their job. Will Keller breakout with Kessel on his wing? I think he (Keller) has atleast another 20-30 point production increase in his stats so by the end of year 8 that contract will be a steal. It's better to pay a 21 year old 7 million till he is 28 than someone that is 28 till their 36 IMHO. That is definitely what the Yotes are counting on. They also buy 3 UFA years with the deal, so it could be a bargain down the road. It does fly against the new unwritten code of 5 year deals, but someone had to offer up the first deal with all these high profile RFAs unsigned, and now the new standard has been handed to the various agents to put 8 year term back on the table. This should be fun. Keller's agent was also able to get NTC/NMC in the last four years of the deal, so Arizona effectively has 5 years (his last ELC year and the first 4 years of this new deal) to figure out if he is still worth the long-term investment while they still have the full flexibility to move him without him waiving that clause. |
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Post by folatre on Sept 4, 2019 15:54:23 GMT -5
It is hard to know, blny. Arizona levies a state income tax about on par with states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, so maybe he likes the winter-free lifestyle or golf or playing hockey in a low-pressure environment.
I am certainly not faulting him for taking eight years. It is possible that Arizona was not offering five. It is also possible that he is a kid that wants security.
I agree that this should be a nice deal down the line from the team's perspective. And it is smart and proactive if they really have a feeling that he will have good chemistry with Kessel and put up career high numbers, though honestly I think that given the $7.15 AAV they are basically paying him as though he is a regular 70 point guy.
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Post by folatre on Sept 9, 2019 10:35:33 GMT -5
Columbus signs Werenski for 3 years/$15 million. Obviously the Blue Jackets could not figure out a 5+ year deal that they could live with financially. And Columbus stuck their zero signing bonus principles once again.
Werenski will have them in the same vice grip that Mark Stone had Ottawa with his contract expiring one year before he is a UFA so theoretically he can take a juicy one-year arbitration award and hold all of the cards.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 9, 2019 12:54:14 GMT -5
Columbus buying time I guess. Their CAP situation and Seattle situation will be resolved by then and they'll have a better idea of how good Werenski is. They may end up paying more, but they'll have to charge it up as insurance for the previous 3 years.
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Post by BadCompany on Sept 9, 2019 13:46:12 GMT -5
Werenski's agent played this one pretty nicely, in my opinion. The last year of the deal is for $7 million, which means that once this deal expires Werenski will be one year away from UFA, AND the Blue Jackets will have to give him a Qualifying Offer that starts at $7 million per year. So at the end of this deal the Jackets aren't going to have too many good options. Either they don't qualify him at $7 million and he walks as a free agent, they qualify him for one year at $7 million and he hits UFA one year later, or they try to negotiate a new, longer term deal for him, which will have to start at $7 million per year.
They're going to be over the barrel with that one, I think.
RFAs are getting smarter. They're not locking themselves into long term deals that end up screwing them, like McKinnon, Landeskog, Pacioretty, and Gallagher did. They're betting on themselves and using the nuances of the CBA to back their teams into long-term corners.
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Post by Cranky on Sept 10, 2019 0:33:10 GMT -5
The problem with RFAs making big money.....and UFAs making big money...there is only so much money to go around.
Might as well drop drafting and the it's every man for himself.
An Ancient Saying I just made up......If everyone gets what they think they deserve, then how much is there left for those who deserve it?
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Post by seventeen on Sept 11, 2019 13:55:06 GMT -5
I always chuckle at the surveys that show 80% of drivers on the road consider themselves above average. If only they’d let me rate them. Example: the other day this old geezer wearing a cap (swear to god) took literally about 10 seconds to turn off the main drag onto a side street. I bet he grades himself above average because he’s never had an insurance claim while ignoring the carnage in his wake. And don’t get me started on those who come to a dead stop in a merging lane. Yes I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Sept 11, 2019 17:25:05 GMT -5
I always chuckle at the surveys that show 80% of drivers on the road consider themselves above average. If only they’d let me rate them. Example: the other day this old geezer wearing a cap (swear to god) took literally about 10 seconds to turn off the main drag onto a side street. I bet he grades himself above average because he’s never had an insurance claim while ignoring the carnage in his wake. And don’t get me started on those who come to a dead stop in a merging lane. Yes I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Statistics are deceiving. The average American has one tit and one ball.. |
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Post by Cranky on Sept 11, 2019 20:22:04 GMT -5
I always chuckle at the surveys that show 80% of drivers on the road consider themselves above average. If only they’d let me rate them. Example: the other day this old geezer wearing a cap (swear to god) took literally about 10 seconds to turn off the main drag onto a side street. I bet he grades himself above average because he’s never had an insurance claim while ignoring the carnage in his wake. And don’t get me started on those who come to a dead stop in a merging lane. Yes I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. I can beat that with my eyes closed. We have two major roads intersecting. There use to be accidents so the city built a barrier island and now you can make a right turn from a separate lane directly into a traffic free separate lane. It's not even in doubt since the island curves directly from one lane into the other. So 70% of the donkey riders slam their brakes to a dead stop so they can look OVER THE CONCRETE BARRIER, THROUGH THE MASSIVE CONCRETE POLES to see if there is any oncoming traffic. You never know when the next car will create a new lane, open a black hole to another dimension, go through the poles and barrier, pop back out and hit them. Notice the shadow of the pole. It's one of those massive 100 foot tall, three foot thick poles that carries 12 major power lines. Attachments:
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Post by folatre on Sept 16, 2019 16:13:03 GMT -5
The Flyers sign Konecny to the Drouin deal -- 6 years/$33 million.
Philadelphia really wants to make the playoffs this season. The made some significant moves over the summer.
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Post by folatre on Sept 17, 2019 7:40:14 GMT -5
The signings are slowly but surely starting to happen. Boeser takes a richer version of the Werenski three-year bridge (3 years/$17.625 million).
I know that some people are saying this is solid risk management for Vancouver because they get to see how high his ceiling is and if he can stay healthy. I actually think this is not great news for them because for me he can flat out fill the net and if Benning had not wasted vast resources on mediocre players the organization would have had the money to make something longer-term happen.
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Post by seventeen on Sept 17, 2019 12:01:30 GMT -5
There are surely many, many Canuck fans who think exactly the same, folatre. The Canucks have been draftng much better the last few years, but those same guys credit Judd Bracket, their Director of scouting for that improvement. I'm not a big fan of Benning. His trades have been hit and miss but mostly his signings have been awful. Giving up a first rounder for JT Miller was really risky. Might be ok if they make the playoffs, but not so good if they finish out, but not too low. It's a deep draft and the guy Tanpa gets could be an easy replacement in time. I don't know how Yzerman and Brisebois have done it. They've gotten GMs's to get them out of CAP trouble without hardly giving up anything, or by getting something valuable in return (Canucks first rounder, Sergachev).
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Post by seventeen on Sept 17, 2019 12:10:32 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Oct 3, 2019 20:06:26 GMT -5
DeBrincat scored 41 goals last season so it is not shocking that Bowman wanted to get out in front of the situation -- 3 years/$19.2 million, with the final season carrying a big $9 million tag.
Well, DeBrincat does what gets paid in the league-- goles son amores-- so I cannot blame Chicago for rewarding the kid despite the fact that they get no long-term cost certainty since it is a bridge.
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Post by folatre on Oct 18, 2019 16:49:01 GMT -5
Hischier signs seven year extension, AAV $7.25 million.
Well, it is similar to Keller not only in terms of numbers but in terms of showing faith in the future of talented players who had to break in with bad teams and have not really put up anything resembling star numbers.
It should prove to be a solid deal for New Jersey. And I think it reflects on some level that Hischier is not 100 percent convinced himself that he can deliver 85-90 point seasons in the near term with the Devils because if that seemed likely then he would have probably instructed his agent to hammer out a three year deal so he could get a bigger bite of the apple around age 24.
Time will say, but for me Hischier may ultimately be the 5th best player from the 2017 draft.
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). I'd find that more believable if he was due a $5MM contract (which is where his performance puts him) and settled for $4MM. There's still something really fishy about that contract. (pun intended)
