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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 31, 2019 16:09:39 GMT -5
I think this is how the quarters play out for our prospects:
Thursday January 2nd
Russia (Romanov) vs Switzerland 6:30am ET
Canada vs Slovakia 9:00am ET
USA (Harris, Caufield) vs Finland 11:30am ET
Sweden (Norlinder) vs Czech Republic 2:00pm ET
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 2, 2020 14:21:52 GMT -5
Russia and Romanov advance (3-1 win over the resilient Swiss).
Canada move on (6-1 over Slovakia).
The Finns shock the US 1-0 and send Harris and Caufield home empty handed (what is it about the Finns once the playoffs start?).
Sweden (Norlinder) and host Czechs underway.
Right now, if SWE wins as expected, then CAN plays FIN in the semis on Saturday.
Romanov did not get a point, but was making smart plays like this:
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 2, 2020 17:06:57 GMT -5
Semi Finals are set for Saturday, January 4th:
Russia (Romanov) vs Sweden (Norlinder) 9:00am ET
Canada vs Finland 1:00pm ET
It means that one of our prospects will be playing in the gold medal game (and by default, one will also be playing in the bronze medal game) on Sunday.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 4, 2020 12:38:20 GMT -5
Russia beat Sweden 4-3 in OT. Sweden’s record of failing to win gold after winning all their games in group play continues. Tomorrow, Romanov plays for gold and Norlinder plays for bronze.
Romanov being Romanov.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 4, 2020 13:18:38 GMT -5
What a dream start for Canada. Two of the goals from draft eligible kids.
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jan 4, 2020 14:55:39 GMT -5
Any chance after the gold medal game Romanov can just get on the Air Canada flight with the boys and show up in Montreal? The more I watch him the more there is to like.
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Post by seventeen on Jan 4, 2020 19:05:35 GMT -5
Byram's illness allowed Drysdale to get more ice time and he looked pretty good. If our pick is high enough, I'd seriously consider him. There was one play where Drysdale was playing his off side (the left) and a winger was coming down at hyper speed and it looked like he had a step on Drysdale. Somehow, without seeming to do anything, Drysdale kept pace and angled him off. That was really weird. Usually you notice a guy kicking up his leg motion or something, but Drysdale didn't seem to do anything except speed up. Not bad for a 17 year old.
The only thing against him is that whenever I hear his name I get flashbacks of the Beverley Hillbillies.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2020 12:04:13 GMT -5
Byram's illness allowed Drysdale to get more ice time and he looked pretty good. If our pick is high enough, I'd seriously consider him. There was one play where Drysdale was playing his off side (the left) and a winger was coming down at hyper speed and it looked like he had a step on Drysdale. Somehow, without seeming to do anything, Drysdale kept pace and angled him off. That was really weird. Usually you notice a guy kicking up his leg motion or something, but Drysdale didn't seem to do anything except speed up. Not bad for a 17 year old. The only thing against him is that whenever I hear his name I get flashbacks of the Beverley Hillbillies. He is the consensus top defender in the draft at this point. I have seen him for a bit now and would gladly welcome into the fold. He looks like he should be a good one. This is a particularly good WJC for lots of top end draft eligible kids. Lots of projected first rounders playing as well, so both quality and quantity. The WJC traditionally has been seen as a “19 year old tournament”, but as kids are going to the NHL at a younger age, that trend seems to also be evident this year at the WJC. Heck, Canada even has a very young team with four draft eligible kids: Lafrenière, Byfield, Drysdale and Mercer. And Holloway was a late and bit of a surprising cut. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2020 12:08:09 GMT -5
Mattias Norlinder ends his first foray in international play with some hardware, as the Swedes edged their arch rival Finns 3-2 for the bronze medal.
Gold medal game is up next. Romanov will be adding another coloured medal to his collection after getting bronze last year. A Gagarin Cup and two WJC medals before his 20th birthday is not too shabby. Of course, I want CAN to win so am hoping Romanov’s medal later today is silver!
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2020 14:26:04 GMT -5
Romanov named to first all star team.
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2020 15:56:01 GMT -5
Remarkable come back win for Canada. Hayton with amazing effort given injury. Baffled by overturned delay of game call.
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Post by franko on Jan 5, 2020 16:39:23 GMT -5
Remarkable come back win for Canada. Hayton with amazing effort given injury. Baffled by overturned delay of game call. Did you hear the TSN explain? Puck hitting score clock does more count as penalty, refs interpreted camera with same rule. Could have been called either way, but probably should have been a penalty. |
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2020 16:47:53 GMT -5
Remarkable come back win for Canada. Hayton with amazing effort given injury. Baffled by overturned delay of game call. Did you hear the TSN explain? Puck hitting score clock does more count as penalty, refs interpreted camera with same rule. Could have been called either way, but probably should have been a penalty. Apparently if the puck hits an object on the way out of play, regardless of whether or not that object is out of play, there is no penalty. |
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Post by jkr on Jan 5, 2020 17:49:20 GMT -5
OK. That explains it because the camera did not look like it was protruding into the play area. Russians didn't help themselves with some dumb penalties at the end, particularly flipping a guys stick into the air.  |
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Post by blny on Jan 5, 2020 18:02:38 GMT -5
OK. That explains it because the camera did not look like it was protruding into the play area. Russians didn't help themselves with some dumb penalties at the end, particularly flipping a guys stick into the air. A repeat of the penalty to Veleno. The lifting of a non-puck carrying player's stick irks me. Regardless of whether or not it's enough to remove the stick from an opponent's hands, I think it's a form of interference. You're impeding said player's ability to defend against the puck carrier. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 5, 2020 21:12:02 GMT -5
A very interesting fact, given Russian defenders of the past, rather impressive.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 5, 2020 21:26:15 GMT -5
Translated from Russian by 'Google'
Congratulations to our guys on the silver of the World Youth Championship!
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 5, 2020 21:52:43 GMT -5
OK. That explains it because the camera did not look like it was protruding into the play area. Russians didn't help themselves with some dumb penalties at the end, particularly flipping a guys stick into the air. That penalty and the minor for using a broken stick pretty much ended any chance Russia had at tying the game ... easy to be critical in that they should have known better in either case but they're still learning ... can only image how jacked they were on adrenaline at the time ... Cheers. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 6, 2020 0:49:57 GMT -5
The Russian team lacked discipline at times. More so than Canada. I look at the non call late in the game with the puck over the glass (which should really have been a penalty as it was over the glass before it hit the camera), as payback for that really bad call on Hayton for holding the stick when he was tripped.
Overall take is that Lafreniere is better than I thought beefore the tournament. He can create offense even as a winger. He does so many subtle things, looking elsewhere before a pass, small fakes to open up the space he wants for a pass and then a very good wrist shot. I'd love to finish in the bottom 10 in the league to at least have some kind of numerical probability at him.
Foregoing that, I'd have no trouble picking Jamie Drysdale. Right hand Dman, but played on the left side on some crucial penalty killing duty today. Saw him somehow angle off a rushing forward who looked like he had a couple of steps on him, without seeming to change his skating stride. Suddenly he was just going faster and the guy couldn't get around him. He scored against Finland as well. Not big, but only 17 and 31 points in 29 games with Erie, a .500 hockey team.
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Post by blny on Jan 6, 2020 6:44:51 GMT -5
The Russian team lacked discipline at times. More so than Canada. I look at the non call late in the game with the puck over the glass (which should really have been a penalty as it was over the glass before it hit the camera), as payback for that really bad call on Hayton for holding the stick when he was tripped. Overall take is that Lafreniere is better than I thought beefore the tournament. He can create offense even as a winger. He does so many subtle things, looking elsewhere before a pass, small fakes to open up the space he wants for a pass and then a very good wrist shot. I'd love to finish in the bottom 10 in the league to at least have some kind of numerical probability at him. Further clarification on the puck over glass play indicates that it doesn't matter that the camera was out of play. Apparently, if the puck hits anything on the way out of play, there is no penalty. Lafreniere definitely separated himself from Byfield in this tournament. Byfield was a non-factor (not unusual for a 17 year old player. I don't usually subscribe to the notion that a tournament like this defines your career, but it can certainly created separation going into the draft. If Lafreniere isn't the consensus #1 from here out, I'll be shocked. FYI: The #8 ranked player at the moment is German prospect Tim Stützle (LW/C). Draftsite's mock draft has us taking him there (as that's where we sit, ignoring the lottery). NWT can chime in perhaps, but the German is perhaps the best skater in the draft. At 5'11.5 and 169, he's got room to fill out a bit. More of a play maker than scorer. www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/tim-st%C3%BCtzle/32437/"Has dazzled scouts dating back to his Division 2, U18 performance. Putting up a point per game against men while averaging over 16 minutes per game." - Sam Cosentino. In 5 games for Germany, he had zero goals and five assists. He was -2. I thought Peterka was the most noticeable German player in the games I saw. He's also draft eligible this year. |
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Post by blny on Jan 6, 2020 10:06:22 GMT -5
This is hilarious. Click and read the full thread.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jan 6, 2020 11:39:25 GMT -5
This is more a question for NWT, our draft/talent advisor. Back at the draft we traded down with the Kings. The deal was this:
Jun 22, 2019
Los Angeles Kings Acquire:
2019 2nd round pick (CBJ - #50 - Samuel Fagemo) from Montreal
Montreal Canadiens Acquire:
2019 3rd round pick (LAK - #64 - Mattias Norlinder)
2019 5th round pick (LAK - #126 - Jacob LeGuerrier)
Fagemo was named to the top forward list this WJC with Sweeden. Did Bergevin blow it?
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Post by folatre on Jan 6, 2020 12:05:50 GMT -5
I did not like the deal on draft day. Of course, I knew virtually nothing about Norlinder. Norlinder seems to be a late bloomer who is developing very nicely so I am not too distraught.
However, I genuinely hope that Bergevin stops trading down and compiling more mid to late round picks. The cupboard is not bare with respect to organizational prospects. And thus quality is better than quantity. If he trades the Chicago pick at the draft so he can have a 3rd and a 4th, I am really going to wonder about Montreal. I will defer to NW on this question, but my feeling is that there are probably 45 kids with first round talent in the 2020 draft.
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Post by blny on Jan 6, 2020 12:37:40 GMT -5
This is more a question for NWT, our draft/talent advisor. Back at the draft we traded down with the Kings. The deal was this: Jun 22, 2019 Los Angeles Kings Acquire: 2019 2nd round pick (CBJ - #50 - Samuel Fagemo) from Montreal Montreal Canadiens Acquire: 2019 3rd round pick (LAK - #64 - Mattias Norlinder) 2019 5th round pick (LAK - #126 - Jacob LeGuerrier) Fagemo was named to the top forward list this WJC with Sweeden. Did Bergevin blow it? FWIW, Norlinder had a strong tournament too. If not for Sandin, Norlinder might have been considered. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 6, 2020 14:03:12 GMT -5
The Russian team lacked discipline at times. More so than Canada. I look at the non call late in the game with the puck over the glass (which should really have been a penalty as it was over the glass before it hit the camera), as payback for that really bad call on Hayton for holding the stick when he was tripped. Overall take is that Lafreniere is better than I thought beefore the tournament. He can create offense even as a winger. He does so many subtle things, looking elsewhere before a pass, small fakes to open up the space he wants for a pass and then a very good wrist shot. I'd love to finish in the bottom 10 in the league to at least have some kind of numerical probability at him. Further clarification on the puck over glass play indicates that it doesn't matter that the camera was out of play. Apparently, if the puck hits anything on the way out of play, there is no penalty. Lafreniere definitely separated himself from Byfield in this tournament. Byfield was a non-factor (not unusual for a 17 year old player. I don't usually subscribe to the notion that a tournament like this defines your career, but it can certainly created separation going into the draft. If Lafreniere isn't the consensus #1 from here out, I'll be shocked. FYI: The #8 ranked player at the moment is German prospect Tim Stützle (LW/C). Draftsite's mock draft has us taking him there (as that's where we sit, ignoring the lottery). NWT can chime in perhaps, but the German is perhaps the best skater in the draft. At 5'11.5 and 169, he's got room to fill out a bit. More of a play maker than scorer. www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/tim-st%C3%BCtzle/32437/"Has dazzled scouts dating back to his Division 2, U18 performance. Putting up a point per game against men while averaging over 16 minutes per game." - Sam Cosentino. In 5 games for Germany, he had zero goals and five assists. He was -2. I thought Peterka was the most noticeable German player in the games I saw. He's also draft eligible this year. I would say the three Germans came into the WJC ranked in this order: Stutzle, Reichel, and Peterka. I would say that scouts likely see Peterka as going higher than Reichel at this point, but there is still half a season of hockey to be played. I don't think the WJC hurt Stutzle one bit, in fact, I would say he likely came out as a legitimate prospect for some top five consideration on some lists from various scouting/web organizations. He definitely is a playmaker, and does things with pace, so I think his ability to drive the play is worth a lot come draft day. Peterka showed that he can finish and knows where to be to convert chances that guys like Stutzle set up. The Germans were a young team and opponents were able to focus on Stutzle, but I came away liking his three games that I saw (I saw a tiny bit of a fourth game). I thought Peterka went from a second round option to a later first round pick. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 6, 2020 14:12:45 GMT -5
This is more a question for NWT, our draft/talent advisor. Back at the draft we traded down with the Kings. The deal was this: Jun 22, 2019 Los Angeles Kings Acquire: 2019 2nd round pick (CBJ - #50 - Samuel Fagemo) from Montreal Montreal Canadiens Acquire: 2019 3rd round pick (LAK - #64 - Mattias Norlinder) 2019 5th round pick (LAK - #126 - Jacob LeGuerrier) Fagemo was named to the top forward list this WJC with Sweeden. Did Bergevin blow it? With some of the guys left on the table at #50, I was very choked when Berg made his patented trade down and get two lesser (and in this case quite lesser value) picks in return. With quite a few picks at his disposal already, to trade a good second round pick when there were some really good players still available is not ideal. Honestly, when he does it mid draft, I care a lot less. Fagemo was one of a number of very viable options. He had been passed over the year before, but had come off a much better D+1 season that clearly had him ranked a solid second rounder. With two picks at #46 and #50 and given this was a good second round in which to pick more than once (and also given that some teams picked a bit off the charts ahead of our picks), I still don't like this move as long as we would still have nabbed Norlinder with #77. He is more valuable that Fairbrother at 77. I had Norlinder as an option with our original 3rd round pick at #77. Like Fagemo, he had been through one draft before but had missed a lot due to injury. He had all the right attributes of the modern defender that we so desperately were looking for this draft, including being a LHD. In the end, the draft is always a crap shoot. I just don't like giving away 50th overall picks in good draft years for the second round to get an extra pick in a later round(s). We go into the 2020 draft with 11 picks including two second rounders that could both be top ten picks in that round. This will be another year not to move one of those picks as there will be some good guys still around through the first half of the second round for sure. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jan 6, 2020 14:15:31 GMT -5
I did not like the deal on draft day. Of course, I knew virtually nothing about Norlinder. Norlinder seems to be a late bloomer who is developing very nicely so I am not too distraught. However, I genuinely hope that Bergevin stops trading down and compiling more mid to late round picks. The cupboard is not bare with respect to organizational prospects. And thus quality is better than quantity. If he trades the Chicago pick at the draft so he can have a 3rd and a 4th, I am really going to wonder about Montreal. I will defer to NW on this question, but my feeling is that there are probably 45 kids with first round talent in the 2020 draft. Heck yeah on all accounts. He better not touch either our pick or the CHI second round picks in June. Much better chance of getting NHLers with those picks than all those 4th and 5th rounders he seems to love collecting. And we have a contract limit of 50, so some quality over quantity is pretty important right now as we have lots of picks in play still over the next two drafts. I don't mind lots of mid round picks, as Timmins and Churla seem to find interesting players there at times. So having a bunch of them does increase your chance of one or two of them converting into NHLers. But early picks are much more valuable, in some drafts. That was the case the last few and looks to be the case next draft (we shall see as final rankings are finished, but I have already heard about 45-50 names considered as possible first rounders - that tends to happen this time of year). |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 6, 2020 15:11:02 GMT -5
Me too. While some great players have been picked in later rounds, no team has been able to do it consistently, so really, it's a matter of luck. The first and 2nd rounds are the valuable picks, especially in deep drafts. On the video of the draft at the Montreal table, it's a clear that on a couple of occasions, Timmins was miffed at Bergevin moving down. It's great if the guy you would have picked was still available, but that's gambling. I wasn't happy with the Romanov pick at #38, thinking he'd be available later, but I understand there were one or two teams that had him on their radar as well. Would he have lasted? Am I concerned now that we used the #38 pick? Not in the least.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 7, 2020 8:42:55 GMT -5
This is hilarious. Click and read the full thread. That is sooooo funny. |
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Post by blny on Jan 7, 2020 14:42:03 GMT -5
This is hilarious. Click and read the full thread. That is sooooo funny. Really is quite remarkable. A great example of how easy it is to dupe a large number of people. |
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