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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 27, 2020 12:33:56 GMT -5
We had many picks the same NWT. lol A lot of noise to take Sanderson, but with 2 goals in 19 games this season. I just don't see the offense for a #1 d-man. Get the vibe he is a #2 on a better season, a #3 NHL caliber defenseman on most seasons. I would rather have the offense of a first line goal scorer. I watched three of Sanderson’s games at February’s Five Nations, and he was the best player of the tournament for me by far. He had 3 goals and 4 assists in four games against some of the best U18 players in the world. He defends well, but his great skating allows him to jump into the play and transition to offensive zone play. He has great four way mobility and good vision, so he runs the PP from the back line. He has good size, but is not a physical bruiser by any means. I don’t remember having concerns about his shot. He scored some nice goals. That is an area that should also improve as he adds more strength. I saw a potential top pairing guy. Now, it was only three games and one tournament, but I did like what I saw. I would be perfectly fine if we picked him, but I would prefer a shot at one of the top forwards falling out of the top eight. Given the lack of top end defenders in this draft, I think there are very good odds a top eight team picks Sanderson. That would mean a shot at a forward like Holtz or Rossi, for example. We get to discuss and debate this until October sometime. How awesome.  |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2020 12:51:20 GMT -5
If we get Lafreniere itll mean were stuck with MB and CJ for another 8 years Not when we miss the playoffs for the 5th year in a row with AL on the 4th line. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 27, 2020 18:29:24 GMT -5
We had many picks the same NWT. lol A lot of noise to take Sanderson, but with 2 goals in 19 games this season. I just don't see the offense for a #1 d-man. Get the vibe he is a #2 on a better season, a #3 NHL caliber defenseman on most seasons. I would rather have the offense of a first line goal scorer. I watched three of Sanderson’s games at February’s Five Nations, and he was the best player of the tournament for me by far. He had 3 goals and 4 assists in four games against some of the best U18 players in the world. He defends well, but his great skating allows him to jump into the play and transition to offensive zone play. He has great four way mobility and good vision, so he runs the PP from the back line. He has good size, but is not a physical bruiser by any means. I don’t remember having concerns about his shot. He scored some nice goals. That is an area that should also improve as he adds more strength. I saw a potential top pairing guy. Now, it was only three games and one tournament, but I did like what I saw. I would be perfectly fine if we picked him, but I would prefer a shot at one of the top forwards falling out of the top eight. Given the lack of top end defenders in this draft, I think there are very good odds a top eight team picks Sanderson. That would mean a shot at a forward like Holtz or Rossi, for example. We get to discuss and debate this until October sometime. How awesome. He had little offense this year for US National team. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 28, 2020 10:17:54 GMT -5
We had many picks the same NWT. lol A lot of noise to take Sanderson, but with 2 goals in 19 games this season. I just don't see the offense for a #1 d-man. Get the vibe he is a #2 on a better season, a #3 NHL caliber defenseman on most seasons. I would rather have the offense of a first line goal scorer. I watched three of Sanderson’s games at February’s Five Nations, and he was the best player of the tournament for me by far. He had 3 goals and 4 assists in four games against some of the best U18 players in the world. He defends well, but his great skating allows him to jump into the play and transition to offensive zone play. He has great four way mobility and good vision, so he runs the PP from the back line. He has good size, but is not a physical bruiser by any means. I don’t remember having concerns about his shot. He scored some nice goals. That is an area that should also improve as he adds more strength. I saw a potential top pairing guy. Now, it was only three games and one tournament, but I did like what I saw. I would be perfectly fine if we picked him, but I would prefer a shot at one of the top forwards falling out of the top eight. Given the lack of top end defenders in this draft, I think there are very good odds a top eight team picks Sanderson. That would mean a shot at a forward like Holtz or Rossi, for example. We get to discuss and debate this until October sometime. How awesome. From NHL.com ... link ... "I'd be shocked if Jake Sanderson isn't selected top 10 in the draft," NTDP U-18 coach Seth Appert said. "He plays the game so efficiently, defends so hard and can jump into the play and add offense ... he's the prototypical modern-age defenseman. I know other defensemen get more notoriety because of the points they put up, but the beauty of Jake Sanderson is the more you watch him, the more you start to appreciate what an unbelievable defender he is." |
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Post by folatre on Jun 29, 2020 19:51:36 GMT -5
Regarding Sanderson, this is starting to sound far more substantive than a few reports going out on a limb pumping the kid and looking for attention. I would say where there is this much smoke there is fire. I would say Sanderson being on the board at #9 is a remote possibility.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 29, 2020 20:02:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he and Drysdale are both going top 6 or 7. Sanderson may even be picked ahead of Drysdale. Assuming Stutzle goes #2 and Byfield goes in the top 5, that leaves Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi and Holtz next unless one team loses their mind and picks Askarov or Quinn ahead of those guys. So we have a shot at one of Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi or Holtz. Probably Holtz.
Assuming we don't beat the Pens. If we do, I'm switching allegiance.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jun 29, 2020 20:26:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he and Drysdale are both going top 6 or 7. Sanderson may even be picked ahead of Drysdale. Assuming Stutzle goes #2 and Byfield goes in the top 5, that leaves Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi and Holtz next unless one team loses their mind and picks Askarov or Quinn ahead of those guys. So we have a shot at one of Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi or Holtz. Probably Holtz. Assuming we don't beat the Pens. If we do, I'm switching allegiance. We have a lot of picks this draft. I’d give them all up for #1. We are great at finding 3rd liners in trade or as free agents. Not so great at finding great players. Third round and up is a crap shoot and our owner and GM are already full of crap. |
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Post by GNick99 on Jun 30, 2020 5:24:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I think he and Drysdale are both going top 6 or 7. Sanderson may even be picked ahead of Drysdale. Assuming Stutzle goes #2 and Byfield goes in the top 5, that leaves Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi and Holtz next unless one team loses their mind and picks Askarov or Quinn ahead of those guys. So we have a shot at one of Raymond, Perfetti, Rossi or Holtz. Probably Holtz. Assuming we don't beat the Pens. If we do, I'm switching allegiance. McCagg was on 690 yesterday said Sanderson going top 5. I think it is going to be a mistake. Sanderson has had advantage of NHL caliber training and coaching since childhood. He will lose that edge once others get their first taste of NHL coaching. I see a future #3. Hands not there for #1. Andrei Kostitsyn looked like Bobby Hull for 5 games of U18 tourny. Too small of a smaple size. McCagg also once said McCarron was future first line NHLer. He is not creditable source. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 30, 2020 22:24:40 GMT -5
He said that about McCarron? Yikes...I always thought he was a project without much upside. But anyone can be wrong. Jeje, I was excited about Scherbek the year Montreal drafted him.
Time will say about Sanderson. I like him. If Montreal had the fifth pick, I am not so sure I would be thrilled about picking him. But at #9 I could live with it.
Somebody is going to grab before #9 because they are focusing on positional need and/or because he is probably a safer bet to have a productive 10 year NHL career than Perfetti, Rossi, Raymond, or Holtz. Of course, the other side of the coin is that those forwards have a ceiling that looks enticing.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 1, 2020 0:36:16 GMT -5
Some of the articles I've read have one thing in common. The coaches of at least two of these kids say their guy is going to be great and someone is going to regret not taking him earlier. That came out from Perfetti's coach and Sanderson's coach. I bet if you asked the Ottawa 67's coach, he'd say the same things about Rossi and Quinnn. That's pretty normal for a coach, I'd say.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 6, 2020 13:45:08 GMT -5
I listened to a podcast (Arpon Basu with Mark Edwards of Hockeyprospect.com) about the 2020 draft. These guys have a less orthodox list and I found it quite interesting. The discussion came around to tiers and I made a list of the top 4 tiers, at least according to hockeyprospects.com. As an aside they are quite high on the depth of this draft and feel you will still get a pretty good hockey player in the early second round. If you want to listen to the whole podcast (about an hour), it's here: theathletic.com/podcast/106-le-support-athltique/?episode=63The first tier is Lafrieniere and Stutzle. Yup. Both. As a tier of course. They didn't get into whether Lafreniere was a slam dunk or not. The second tier is Byfield, Perfetti, Sanderson. They're not in order, just lumped together. Edwards did say this year was one of the toughest he's had in rating one player ahead of another as they're all so close. The interesting point here is that Sanderson is ahead of Drysdale. Edwards isn't as high as many on Drysdale, though he insists he likes him. It's just that Edwards doesn't think he'll be able to play 25 minutes per game, while they're more confident Sanderson can do that. Neither was considered that likely a PP guy. The 3rd tier was Quinn, Jarvis, Raymond, Rossi, Holtz and Askarov. This is interesting, of course, in that some of the names of the late risers are in here. Jarvis and Quinn have joined the other group of well known names. Also of note is that Drysdale is not in this tier. It is, of course, just the opinion of one company. I don't really know a great deal about their track record in previous drafts, but part of the discussion did mention that they took a lot of grief in 2017 over ranking Pettersson 3rd. Jarvis and Rossi are both considered line driving wingers, not centres. The next tier is Drysdale and Schneider. Interesting again, in that Schneider has moved up this far. Looking at the above, and discounting Askarov, the Habs should have a shot at one of that group in the 3rd tier. My hopes for Perfetti are likely shot. Habs already have a sniper in Caufield, so I'm not sure Quinn would be a likely pick for them. At 9th, 3 players come off that list, leaving the other 2 for us. I like Jarvis a lot. Edwards described him as having some Gallagher in him. He is a fierce competitor. Each of those kids has some real attributes. Edwards noted that Rossi may not have the ceiling of some others, though he's ahead of them at this point. He could jump into a line-up right now but how much better will he be in 3 years? That's conjecture of course, but these guys are paid to project and speculate. I'll post some more comments later, including Perreault and Lapierre. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 6, 2020 19:24:07 GMT -5
Interesting, thanks for the info.
Drysdale may well not go in the top four (Detroit is rumoured to like Perfetti), but he is not going to drop to #9.
I imagine that management does think in terms of tiers because if you are contemplating a trade dropping down in one thing, dropping down to an entirely different tier is another thing.
But at the end of the day, Timmins has to contruct a board where guys are ranked. If the Habs are picking ninth, a forward with high-end potential should be sitting there.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 7, 2020 19:36:14 GMT -5
Futher to the Basu/Edwards podcast. Lafreniere the top pick. Not a slam dunk, but the group did not spend more than 5 minutes debating whether Stutzle should be #1. There was some speculation that Stutzle might have a higher ceiling, but the probability wasn't enough to put him ahead of Lafreniere. Here are some other quick hits:
This particular draft has players rated at 29 who would have been at 19 last year. That gives an indication of the quality of this year in comparison.
Hendrix Lapierre - Extremely smart player, makes those around him better. Won't be the best goal scorer, but there's that concussion risk to take into account. Many teams got full medical records on him, and though Edwards asked around, no one disclosed anything to him, (obviously). Edwards said that even fully healthy, he might not break the top 17 (on their rankings).
Jacob Perreault. Great goal scorer. Up there with Perfetti in quality of goals scored. He's rated at 16 and the question mark with him is his work ethic. There were games where he didn't seem to give it his all. Basu said that was a criticism of Ryan Getzlaff and he wondered if Getzlaff was just bored, like the smart kid in Grade 7 who's a pain in the ass because he never pays attention and doesn't grade well, but eventually invents some billion dollar product. If Perreault solves that part of the game, he'll be a steal.
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Post by folatre on Jul 7, 2020 19:52:17 GMT -5
It is hard to know. For me the draft this year is deeper in the 20-50 range, as well as being a little stronger right at the top in the first nine or ten kids. However, that 10-19 tier available in the 2019 draft was very good.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 7, 2020 20:59:29 GMT -5
I listened to a podcast (Arpon Basu with Mark Edwards of Hockeyprospect.com) about the 2020 draft. These guys have a less orthodox list and I found it quite interesting. The discussion came around to tiers and I made a list of the top 4 tiers, at least according to hockeyprospects.com. As an aside they are quite high on the depth of this draft and feel you will still get a pretty good hockey player in the early second round. If you want to listen to the whole podcast (about an hour), it's here: theathletic.com/podcast/106-le-support-athltique/?episode=63The first tier is Lafrieniere and Stutzle. Yup. Both. As a tier of course. They didn't get into whether Lafreniere was a slam dunk or not. The second tier is Byfield, Perfetti, Sanderson. They're not in order, just lumped together. Edwards did say this year was one of the toughest he's had in rating one player ahead of another as they're all so close. The interesting point here is that Sanderson is ahead of Drysdale. Edwards isn't as high as many on Drysdale, though he insists he likes him. It's just that Edwards doesn't think he'll be able to play 25 minutes per game, while they're more confident Sanderson can do that. Neither was considered that likely a PP guy. The 3rd tier was Quinn, Jarvis, Raymond, Rossi, Holtz and Askarov. This is interesting, of course, in that some of the names of the late risers are in here. Jarvis and Quinn have joined the other group of well known names. Also of note is that Drysdale is not in this tier. It is, of course, just the opinion of one company. I don't really know a great deal about their track record in previous drafts, but part of the discussion did mention that they took a lot of grief in 2017 over ranking Pettersson 3rd. Jarvis and Rossi are both considered line driving wingers, not centres. The next tier is Drysdale and Schneider. Interesting again, in that Schneider has moved up this far. Looking at the above, and discounting Askarov, the Habs should have a shot at one of that group in the 3rd tier. My hopes for Perfetti are likely shot. Habs already have a sniper in Caufield, so I'm not sure Quinn would be a likely pick for them. At 9th, 3 players come off that list, leaving the other 2 for us. I like Jarvis a lot. Edwards described him as having some Gallagher in him. He is a fierce competitor. Each of those kids has some real attributes. Edwards noted that Rossi may not have the ceiling of some others, though he's ahead of them at this point. He could jump into a line-up right now but how much better will he be in 3 years? That's conjecture of course, but these guys are paid to project and speculate. I'll post some more comments later, including Perreault and Lapierre. I see a clear order. Lafreniere (certainty) Byfield (young, big, strong, improving) Stutzle (scoring?) Rossi (scoring) Holtz (Europe) Raymond (see above) Drysdale Perfetti (skating) Askarov (goaltender) big dropoff |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 8, 2020 10:16:05 GMT -5
I listened to a podcast (Arpon Basu with Mark Edwards of Hockeyprospect.com) about the 2020 draft. These guys have a less orthodox list and I found it quite interesting. The discussion came around to tiers and I made a list of the top 4 tiers, at least according to hockeyprospects.com. As an aside they are quite high on the depth of this draft and feel you will still get a pretty good hockey player in the early second round. If you want to listen to the whole podcast (about an hour), it's here: theathletic.com/podcast/106-le-support-athltique/?episode=63The first tier is Lafrieniere and Stutzle. Yup. Both. As a tier of course. They didn't get into whether Lafreniere was a slam dunk or not. The second tier is Byfield, Perfetti, Sanderson. They're not in order, just lumped together. Edwards did say this year was one of the toughest he's had in rating one player ahead of another as they're all so close. The interesting point here is that Sanderson is ahead of Drysdale. Edwards isn't as high as many on Drysdale, though he insists he likes him. It's just that Edwards doesn't think he'll be able to play 25 minutes per game, while they're more confident Sanderson can do that. Neither was considered that likely a PP guy. The 3rd tier was Quinn, Jarvis, Raymond, Rossi, Holtz and Askarov. This is interesting, of course, in that some of the names of the late risers are in here. Jarvis and Quinn have joined the other group of well known names. Also of note is that Drysdale is not in this tier. It is, of course, just the opinion of one company. I don't really know a great deal about their track record in previous drafts, but part of the discussion did mention that they took a lot of grief in 2017 over ranking Pettersson 3rd. Jarvis and Rossi are both considered line driving wingers, not centres. The next tier is Drysdale and Schneider. Interesting again, in that Schneider has moved up this far. Looking at the above, and discounting Askarov, the Habs should have a shot at one of that group in the 3rd tier. My hopes for Perfetti are likely shot. Habs already have a sniper in Caufield, so I'm not sure Quinn would be a likely pick for them. At 9th, 3 players come off that list, leaving the other 2 for us. I like Jarvis a lot. Edwards described him as having some Gallagher in him. He is a fierce competitor. Each of those kids has some real attributes. Edwards noted that Rossi may not have the ceiling of some others, though he's ahead of them at this point. He could jump into a line-up right now but how much better will he be in 3 years? That's conjecture of course, but these guys are paid to project and speculate. I'll post some more comments later, including Perreault and Lapierre. I see a clear order. Lafreniere (certainty) Byfield (young, big, strong, improving) Stutzle (scoring?) Rossi (scoring) Holtz (Europe) Raymond (see above) Drysdale Perfetti (skating) Askarov (goaltender) big dropoff Missing Sanderson...Might be the first defenseman taken. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 8, 2020 15:12:41 GMT -5
Every year, there seems to be an lesser prospect gaining mythical proportions and rising in the expectation charts. It happened with Kk and it looks like it's happening with Stultze.
Pick the one who has proven themselves through the years rather then one that may have mythical abilities that if we squint at just the right angle, may be "something special".
Laffy
Byfield
Stultze
We only care about the first one.....
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Post by folatre on Jul 8, 2020 20:34:46 GMT -5
I am not saying that Stutzle does not fit the super high ceiling/potential disappointment profile because maybe he does need to play a season on North American ice to dispel all doubts about how much he can drive play.
But it is not really accurate to call him a late riser in the lead up to the 2020 draft. In January, McKenzie had him #3 and Cosentino on Sportsnet had him #4. I believe that one would have to go all the way back to the summer of 2019 to find him projected outside the top 15. I know the DEL is not as good as the top flight leagues in Sweden, Switzerland, Russia and Finland; but it is a solid pro league and once Stutzle produced big time in his first season against men he got everyone's attention.
NW has probably paid more attention than I have, but the only late risers since January that come to mind are Sanderson and Quinn. As I recall Quinn was barely top 20 and now he is probably going in the 10-12 range; Sanderson was generally early teens and now a lot people think he goes in the 5-7 range.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 8, 2020 22:42:56 GMT -5
Every year, there seems to be an lesser prospect gaining mythical proportions and rising in the expectation charts. It happened with Kk and it looks like it's happening with Stultze. Pick the one who has proven themselves through the years rather then one that may have mythical abilities that if we squint at just the right angle, may be "something special". By that measure, Habs should have taken Angelo Esposito in 2007 instead of Pacioretty because Esposito had been projected as a top 5 pick for 2 years before that. Development isn't linear and you never know when a kid has pleateaued. Esposito had, and the fact he hadn't improved as quickly as others in his class caused him to fall hard. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 9, 2020 14:20:13 GMT -5
I see a clear order. Lafreniere (certainty) Byfield (young, big, strong, improving) Stutzle (scoring?) Rossi (scoring) Holtz (Europe) Raymond (see above) Drysdale Perfetti (skating) Askarov (goaltender) big dropoff Missing Sanderson...Might be the first defenseman taken. nothing wrong with Sanderson, top of the drop-off other list just safe good positional defenseman and not really special. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 9, 2020 15:18:51 GMT -5
I am not saying that Stutzle does not fit the super high ceiling/potential disappointment profile because maybe he does need to play a season on North American ice to dispel all doubts about how much he can drive play. But it is not really accurate to call him a late riser in the lead up to the 2020 draft. In January, McKenzie had him #3 and Cosentino on Sportsnet had him #4. I believe that one would have to go all the way back to the summer of 2019 to find him projected outside the top 15. I know the DEL is not as good as the top flight leagues in Sweden, Switzerland, Russia and Finland; but it is a solid pro league and once Stutzle produced big time in his first season against men he got everyone's attention. NW has probably paid more attention than I have, but the only late risers since January that come to mind are Sanderson and Quinn. As I recall Quinn was barely top 20 and now he is probably going in the 10-12 range; Sanderson was generally early teens and now a lot people think he goes in the 5-7 range. In the first round, I would also add Jarvis to the list of Sanderson and Quinn. Quite a few in the second and beyond like Evangelista, Niederbach, Jurmo, Robbins and second time eligible Goncalves. A number of Russians and Swedes as well due to limited viewings before this year. I could go on....! As for Stutzle, he has been playing well consistently against men, so his stock has been rising all year. It really took off at the WJC. I was very impressed with how well he drove the play and processed the game fast and with speed. I figured then that we would not suck badly enough to get a shot at him. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 9, 2020 16:57:50 GMT -5
For sure, I forgot about Jarvis. He had a great season.
You are much more aware about the kids who have jumped up from being in the 50-100 range to consolidate now in the 25-40 range than I am.
I keep wondering how much more variance there could be in clubs' rankings of kids beyond the first twenty prospect or so. It would seem that missing the chance to see the kids in the CHL playoffs, as well as the international events and the combine, could create a little more variability across clubs' draft boards.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 13, 2020 17:44:46 GMT -5
Some of the articles I've read have one thing in common. The coaches of at least two of these kids say their guy is going to be great and someone is going to regret not taking him earlier. That came out from Perfetti's coach and Sanderson's coach. I bet if you asked the Ottawa 67's coach, he'd say the same things about Rossi and Quinnn. That's pretty normal for a coach, I'd say. We had a 6.5% chance of getting Lafreniere. Now we have a 12.5% chance. Don’t knock it; that’s better than the chance we had at Aho and much better than Streit’s chance of making the team. That’s the plan. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 16, 2020 17:14:37 GMT -5
Jeje, August 10th cannot get here soon enough.
I am also looking forward to October 9-10.
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Post by folatre on Jul 19, 2020 20:07:58 GMT -5
Dobber Prospects has Perfetti at #9. I forget the name of the dude who produced the ranking, but there were some oddities to the list such as Stutzle being 6th and the two Swedish forwards being in the top five like they were often seen 12 months ago.
Pat Brisson's son, Brendan, was in the top twenty. I had never seen him that high anywhere else. Bourque and Perreault were ranked ahead of Lapierre and Poirier.
I was really hoping Montreal could pick up an extra first rounder this year, perhaps in the mid-20s. But the more I look at some lists, I am not sure that I would want to pay the price unless there was really an ultra talented kid like Lapierre sitting there. Otherwise, picking #39 and #40 is a pretty nice place to be given the evenness of the quality available from around the mid-20s to the mid-40s.
However, looking at the overabundance of mid-round picks (fourth round and fifth round) that Bergevin has hoarded in 2020 and 2021, I sure would not mind if Montreal plans swap some quantity for a targeted shot at quality (maybe a good kid is still sitting there on the board in the first half of the third round).
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Post by GNick99 on Jul 20, 2020 6:41:39 GMT -5
Dobber Prospects has Perfetti at #9. I forget the name of the dude who produced the ranking, but there were some oddities to the list such as Stutzle being 6th and the two Swedish forwards being in the top five like they were often seen 12 months ago. Pat Brisson's son, Brendan, was in the top twenty. I had never seen him that high anywhere else. Bourque and Perreault were ranked ahead of Lapierre and Poirier. I was really hoping Montreal could pick up an extra first rounder this year, perhaps in the mid-20s. But the more I look at some lists, I am not sure that I would want to pay the price unless there was really an ultra talented kid like Lapierre sitting there. Otherwise, picking #39 and #40 is a pretty nice place to be given the evenness of the quality available from around the mid-20s to the mid-40s. However, looking at the overabundance of mid-round picks (fourth round and fifth round) that Bergevin has hoarded in 2020 and 2021, I sure would not mind if Montreal plans swap some quantity for a targeted shot at quality (maybe a good kid is still sitting there on the board in the first half of the third round). Those 3 second round picks are valuable. With no U18, Combine nor CHL playoffs, be more mistakes than usual. Evanglista, Cormier, Neiderbach, could be Habs best 2nd round ever. Adding a Holtz in first round, then another ROmanov type in 2nd round. Start of a great draft |
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Post by folatre on Jul 21, 2020 19:01:02 GMT -5
It could be that Timmins feels he had a very good close read on some of the kids in the 25-50 range when the pandemic struck and thus maybe he is crossing his fingers for them to be there at #39 and #40. Likely, there were some kids in that same range that he really had questions about and the under 18s, the CHL playoffs, and the combine perhaps could have helped clarify things.
There is a lot of variability looming over this draft. Clubs could have drastically different impressions of kids outside of the top 20 or 25.
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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2020 21:37:44 GMT -5
I was watching the Boston v. Columbus and Liam Foudy looked good out there. I am not sure the younger brother, Jean-Luc is quite as balanced overall as hockey player, but if he is available with the last second round pick that Montreal possesses this year he could be excellent business in that range. He is a burner and the bloodlines and examples of hard work are likely things that he inherited from his mother and father.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 31, 2020 8:06:26 GMT -5
I was watching the Boston v. Columbus and Liam Foudy looked good out there. I am not sure the younger brother, Jean-Luc is quite as balanced overall as hockey player, but if he is available with the last second round pick that Montreal possesses this year he could be excellent business in that range. He is a burner and the bloodlines and examples of hard work are likely things that he inherited from his mother and father. Where Foudy goes this draft will be interesting to watch. He had been ranked pretty high due to his name and family bloodlines, and his great speed. But I have noticed that he did drop on lists by the end of the year. I think he needs to show that he can produce more and isn’t just a burner. Often guys get passed too as scouts see other players developing and improving more throughout the season. I am really interested to see who will be available with that last second...there still should be some intriguing names left on the board. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 31, 2020 12:08:50 GMT -5
I think Foudy is still well regarded because of his speed and work ethic. But a few months ago he was almost always being projected in the 30-45 range whereas the kid has dropped a bit in a few final rankings (Mckenzie had him #46, The Hockey News #48, Button #80, and I think a couple of others have him the late second/early third round range).
It is probably more a reflection of other kids coming on strong than any particular red flag on Foudy. And like you say, NW, it is likely also related to him not producing more offensively in 2019-20 than he did in 2018-19. Who knows, maybe a kid like him would have gotten a summer bump if the combine had been held because by all accounts he is a workout warrior (again, not surprising given who his parents are).
That St. Louis pick is going to be somewhere in the 57-62 range. I think Foudy would be a safe pick in that range if he is available (I see him as a Todd Marchant type forward who probably has a third line ceiling), though perhaps Timmins will see someone sitting there with more upside potential.
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