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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2020 17:25:19 GMT -5
An american team will win the sham lottery... I say the Rangers... Bettman wants a strong New York team... Laffy, Zibanejad and Kakko... pretty strong first line You win. Gorton: "We're blowing it up. We're going to lose for a while and get high picks and prospects and build a winner". Paraphrased of course, Seems to be going well. (With luck, or course...Kakko and now Lafreniere. High picks without being the Red Wings.) |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 10, 2020 17:31:12 GMT -5
And to add fuel to the fire the guy accidentally dropped the Rangers ball, when loading the machine, before Bettman could confirm the logo. Heavier than the other balls perhaps? streamable.com/g6nqol |
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 10, 2020 17:37:41 GMT -5
I need to buy a LottoMax ticket
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 10, 2020 18:09:18 GMT -5
Well, that is gross. I guess the only scenarios that would have sickened me more would have been Pittsburgh or Toronto. I would add Edmonton to that list for me. Listening to the Oil fans going on about Laff would lessen the blow of the fact their defence was non existent and they choked as a team big time. Now I don’t have to listen to that all summer and fall. The NYR does seem like a perfect PR situation for the NHL. The Rags gave some nice pieces now. We will be chasing them too in the East. |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 10, 2020 18:13:13 GMT -5
Rangers moved way up last year. Two years in a row things sound fishy. I wish it was back to the old way.
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Post by folatre on Aug 10, 2020 22:08:27 GMT -5
According to Button this evening:
Lafreniere (Rangers)
Byfield (Kings)
Stutzle (Senators)
Drysdale (Red Wings)
Rossi (Senators)
Sanderson (Ducks)
Raymond (Devils)
Perfetti (Sabres)
Lundell (Wild)
Jarvis (Jets)
Holtz (Predators)
Guhle (Panthers)
Askarov (Hurricanes)
Quinn (Oilers)
Mercer (Penguins)
Not saying that Button is super accurate most years, but if somehow in whatever order they go off the board those 15 players are gone, who do you pick at #16?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 10, 2020 22:12:28 GMT -5
According to Button this evening: Lafreniere (Rangers) Byfield (Kings) Stutzle (Senators) Drysdale (Red Wings) Rossi (Senators) Sanderson (Ducks) Raymond (Devils) Perfetti (Sabres) Lundell (Wild) Jarvis (Jets) Holtz (Predators) Guhle (Panthers) Askarov (Hurricanes) Quinn (Oilers) Mercer (Penguins) Not saying that Button is super accurate most years, but if somehow in whatever order they go off the board those 15 players are gone, who do you pick at #16? Right off the top of my head...Amirov or Reichel. HM to Holloway. Interesting serious look at Gunler. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 10, 2020 22:30:57 GMT -5
Rangers moved way up last year. Two years in a row things sound fishy. I wish it was back to the old way. Accountant: Holds up Leafs ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Winnipeg ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Edmonton ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Florida ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers etc. etc. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 10, 2020 22:32:10 GMT -5
I had the same 15 kids going in the top 15, though not in the order Button placed them this evening.
I like Lapierre at #16 if the red flags are not there inside the medical file because if he is healthy I think he would be the best player regardless of position. I also like Amirov and Reichel and would be very happy to grab one of them, maybe I would give the slight edge to the Russian. Holloway is really a nice prospect and likely safer than those three guys. He just looks like a guy that barring injury will end up playing some role in the NHL for ten years. My only question is whether his ceiling is not particularly high for a club that already has a lot of prospect depth in the organization. If the Habs grab Holloway, my hope is that they see him as a winger who can motor while bringing good skill and some real aggressivity to the table, which in a dream best case scenario becomes something like a Chris Kreider.
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Post by BadCompany on Aug 11, 2020 7:39:01 GMT -5
I'm not saying the draft was rigged, but between the highly-rated first lottery resulting in a play-in team winning first overall and thus necessitating a second highly rated lottery and that highly rated lottery being won by the team with the largest market in the NHL, well... _848x480_1448127043878.jpg?w=670&quality=70&strip=all) |
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Post by franko on Aug 11, 2020 8:31:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying the draft was rigged, but between the highly-rated first lottery resulting in a play-in team winning first overall and thus necessitating a second highly rated lottery and that highly rated lottery being won by the team with the largest market in the NHL, well... so . . . is this fake news, conspiracy theory, or confirmation bias? . . . or bang-on truth? |
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Post by franko on Aug 11, 2020 8:33:03 GMT -5
So we have reached that point in our regularly scheduled programming… draft talk! Anywhoo, here is my preliminary ranking of those top 8 skaters, and my (current) order of preference. whodathunk wrt the Habs you'd have to start at pick 16? all that work, gone to waste. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 11, 2020 12:18:13 GMT -5
NHL Draft order
1.The teams that did not qualify for the playoffs the previous season (picks 1–15)
2.The teams that made the playoffs in the previous season but did not win either their division in the regular season or play in the Conference Finals (picks 16–23 up to 27)
3.The teams that won their divisions in the previous season but did not play in the Conference Finals (potentially picks 24–27)
4.The teams that lose in Conference Finals (picks 28 and 29)
5.The team that was the runner-up in the Stanley Cup Finals (pick 30)
6.The team that won the Stanley Cup in the previous season (pick 31)
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Post by seventeen on Aug 11, 2020 15:17:56 GMT -5
So we have reached that point in our regularly scheduled programming… draft talk! Anywhoo, here is my preliminary ranking of those top 8 skaters, and my (current) order of preference. whodathunk wrt the Habs you'd have to start at pick 16? all that work, gone to waste. It could get worse with another upset. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 12, 2020 10:42:59 GMT -5
whodathunk wrt the Habs you'd have to start at pick 16? all that work, gone to waste. It could get worse with another upset. another TWO upsets |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 13, 2020 5:23:57 GMT -5
So we have reached that point in our regularly scheduled programming… draft talk! Anywhoo, here is my preliminary ranking of those top 8 skaters, and my (current) order of preference. whodathunk wrt the Habs you'd have to start at pick 16? all that work, gone to waste. Habs still get a good player at 16. Player caliber of a Suzuki, Newhook or Caufield. Who went 13th and 15th in respective drafts. This is good draft for depth. Bourque leading candidate to me unless somebody slides. Caufield was rated 9th last year and slide to 15. Krebs was rated 10th, slid to 17th. |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 13, 2020 5:26:05 GMT -5
According to Button this evening: Lafreniere (Rangers) Byfield (Kings) Stutzle (Senators) Drysdale (Red Wings) Rossi (Senators) Sanderson (Ducks) Raymond (Devils) Perfetti (Sabres) Lundell (Wild) Jarvis (Jets) Holtz (Predators) Guhle (Panthers) Askarov (Hurricanes) Quinn (Oilers) Mercer (Penguins) Not saying that Button is super accurate most years, but if somehow in whatever order they go off the board those 15 players are gone, who do you pick at #16? So Lundell go 9th? Our original position. Hard to believe but I know some Habs fans who wanted us to lose to Pitt to draft 9th. Crazy? |
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Post by folatre on Aug 13, 2020 9:07:20 GMT -5
We have no access to Timmins' big board from July, so there is no way to know who Timmins was targeting in the event that the Habs picked ninth. It could have been Lundell, I suppose. However, I think it more likely it would have been Holtz or Quinn.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 13, 2020 10:07:37 GMT -5
Rangers moved way up last year. Two years in a row things sound fishy. I wish it was back to the old way. Accountant: Holds up Leafs ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Winnipeg ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Edmonton ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers Accountant: Holds up Florida ball Bettman: I can confirm that is the logo of the NY Rangers etc. etc. Sad but true... |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 14, 2020 6:24:27 GMT -5
We have no access to Timmins' big board from July, so there is no way to know who Timmins was targeting in the event that the Habs picked ninth. It could have been Lundell, I suppose. However, I think it more likely it would have been Holtz or Quinn. Holtz, Lundell, Askarov, whomever we were targating at 9, difference between them and Bourque, Jarvis, Amirov isn't worth throwing the series with Pitt for. Like seeing Suzuki and Koktaniemi go head to head with great centers of the game, Crosby/Malkin and winning. That series was good learning experience for our young players. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 14, 2020 11:35:11 GMT -5
We have no access to Timmins' big board from July, so there is no way to know who Timmins was targeting in the event that the Habs picked ninth. It could have been Lundell, I suppose. However, I think it more likely it would have been Holtz or Quinn. Holtz, Lundell, Askarov, whomever we were targating at 9, difference between them and Bourque, Jarvis, Amirov isn't worth throwing the series with Pitt for. Like seeing Suzuki and Koktaniemi go head to head with great centers of the game, Crosby/Malkin and winning. That series was good learning experience for our young players. By all accounts, #9 and #16 are in two different tiers. |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 16, 2020 5:34:09 GMT -5
Holtz, Lundell, Askarov, whomever we were targating at 9, difference between them and Bourque, Jarvis, Amirov isn't worth throwing the series with Pitt for. Like seeing Suzuki and Koktaniemi go head to head with great centers of the game, Crosby/Malkin and winning. That series was good learning experience for our young players. By all accounts, #9 and #16 are in two different tiers. Not worth throwing a series for. Difference between a Jarvis and a Lundell? Much rather have a series win. If we draft 24th, it is quite a difference. |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 16, 2020 12:59:26 GMT -5
I just don't give that 'Playoff experience" as much weight as I do a higher talent level. Our kids have played well in the playoffs. I really don't think they'd play any differently in next year's playoffs. They are who they are (with the exception that sometimes a player has one bad year). My feeling then is somewhat opposite. You gain very little with playoff experience because the player is going to be the same every year, whereas sometimes there can be quite a difference between a 9 and a 16. The odds say take the better probability. As in poker, in any one hand you could be wrong, but over the evening, you'll win.
Just two different viewpoints, Gnick and you could be right. The Habs may actually get someone better at 16 (or 25, or 31) than they could at 9. Every year, though we do consider the benefit of moving up. If that was meaningless, we probably wouldn't talk about it.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 17, 2020 6:50:19 GMT -5
I just don't give that 'Playoff experience" as much weight as I do a higher talent level. Our kids have played well in the playoffs. I really don't think they'd play any differently in next year's playoffs. They are who they are (with the exception that sometimes a player has one bad year). My feeling then is somewhat opposite. You gain very little with playoff experience because the player is going to be the same every year, whereas sometimes there can be quite a difference between a 9 and a 16. The odds say take the better probability. As in poker, in any one hand you could be wrong, but over the evening, you'll win. Just two different viewpoints, Gnick and you could be right. The Habs may actually get someone better at 16 (or 25, or 31) than they could at 9. Every year, though we do consider the benefit of moving up. If that was meaningless, we probably wouldn't talk about it. This playoff year is just a step in right direction. One of best way to develop young players are a lengthily playoff. They should mature quicker. Sam Pollock said that many times and why he tried to keep a powerful farm team in Halifax. I don't think we will get a better player at 16. But should get a Newhook, Krebs or Caufield type player. This is a good draft. Lundell, Askarov or Holtz probably be the better player. But not like we are going to strike out in first round. It is not worth throwing a playoff series for. Bourque is who I like at 16 or 24. Slim chance he is there at 24, but good chance he is available at 16. Bourque was coming on before his wrist injury in early February. I thought he was best junior from December to February. Has great hockey sense. Reminds me of a Bergeron. Only smaller, skating not as good and defensively not as polished as Bergeron was at 18. Reminds me more of a Suzuki. Suzuki is same size and needed to work on his defense and skating at 18. Bourque is different player than he was earlier in year and last season. Seemed like he learned from Hlinka/Gretzky and CIBC series. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2020 20:31:10 GMT -5
According to Button this evening: Lafreniere (Rangers) Byfield (Kings) Stutzle (Senators) Drysdale (Red Wings) Rossi (Senators) Sanderson (Ducks) Raymond (Devils) Perfetti (Sabres) Lundell (Wild) Jarvis (Jets) Holtz (Predators) Guhle (Panthers) Askarov (Hurricanes) Quinn (Oilers) Mercer (Penguins) Not saying that Button is super accurate most years, but if somehow in whatever order they go off the board those 15 players are gone, who do you pick at #16? Right off the top of my head...Amirov or Reichel. HM to Holloway. Interesting serious look at Gunler. Well, the remainder of the draft order is gradually trickling in: #16 Canadiens #17 Blackhawks #18 Devils (via Arizona) #19 Flames |
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 24, 2020 6:17:38 GMT -5
Right off the top of my head...Amirov or Reichel. HM to Holloway. Interesting serious look at Gunler. Well, the remainder of the draft order is gradually trickling in: #16 Canadiens #17 Blackhawks #18 Devils (via Arizona) #19 Flames our 2nd round picks must be set now. Habs, Hawks Blues all eliminated |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 24, 2020 8:07:18 GMT -5
Well, the remainder of the draft order is gradually trickling in: #16 Canadiens #17 Blackhawks #18 Devils (via Arizona) #19 Flames our 2nd round picks must be set now. Habs, Hawks Blues all eliminated Sort of. If Tampa wins their series, then the STL pick moves up one spot due to BOS having a better regular season record. The WSH third round pick also could move up one if COL loses their series. Those are the last two of 14 picks that could move. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 24, 2020 8:29:11 GMT -5
Exactly, NW. So the St. Louis pick will either be #57 or #58 overall.
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Post by GNick99 on Aug 26, 2020 5:46:01 GMT -5
our 2nd round picks must be set now. Habs, Hawks Blues all eliminated Sort of. If Tampa wins their series, then the STL pick moves up one spot due to BOS having a better regular season record. The WSH third round pick also could move up one if COL loses their series. Those are the last two of 14 picks that could move. we have to redo our drafts we did during pandemic shutdown. As draft positions been switched around. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 26, 2020 8:59:04 GMT -5
Sort of. If Tampa wins their series, then the STL pick moves up one spot due to BOS having a better regular season record. The WSH third round pick also could move up one if COL loses their series. Those are the last two of 14 picks that could move. we have to redo our drafts we did during pandemic shutdown. As draft positions been switched around. Yup. 12 of our 14 picks have moved since pre lottery and play-in/playoffs. Two of those 12 picks can still move one spot each depending on those results referenced above. I have never seen so much movement in draft picks before. Welcome to 2020. |
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