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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 2, 2020 14:12:28 GMT -5
LA, yeah, i have never seen Rossi play in person and apparently he is a couple of inches shorter than Perfetti. However, most accounts say that he is extremely fast and feisty. I saw Perfetti play once last season (and I know a guy who was on the Board of Directors where my son plays and has supposedly seen Perfetti play nearly twenty times) and I really like this kid's overall offensive game because he is skilled, smooth, and efficient with serious hockey IQ. He could be a left handed Oshie or Suzuki and I would not be upset at all if he Habs, picking 8th or 9th, select him. But when you take into account that a lot kids playing major Junior hockey are not exactly jets on their blades, for me Perfetti did not look anything like a great skater. He is young and I do not doubt that he can improve with the sustained and intense help of a skating coach, but sometimes it is perhaps just a question of the genetic lottery and fast twitch muscles. Again, I have never watched Rossi live (though I bet some of the members in Eastern Ontario like Willie, Tank, and Dis have seen him), but on youtube he looks faster both in terms of his first step or two and his high end passing speed. I agree 100% on two issues. We have more young talent than we can ever sign and we have quantity over quality. Trading down is not the way forward.years age i eas enamored with a young Corey Locke. Incredible scoring ability, small size and ordinary skating. Bossy was not a great skater but Locke was no Bossy.small guys have to be fast. Size is a big advantage come the seven game playoff series.If, big iff Perfetti and Rossi are available when we get to pick, i value skating and playing big. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 2, 2020 19:14:16 GMT -5
I suppose that I could change my mind between this evening and whenever the draft takes place, but right now I would not hesitate to take Rossi over Perfetti.
One thing that I feel fairly certain of is that Montreal should just pick the best player available. I worry that Bergevin might think Holloway or Lundell makes sense since they are bigger kids. The reality is that no one the Habs are able to pick at #8 or #9 this summer will be ready to play in the NHL until 2022-23 so just pick the best player. There are other ways to alter the composition of the forward corps in the short-term.
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 3, 2020 8:53:52 GMT -5
LA, yeah, i have never seen Rossi play in person and apparently he is a couple of inches shorter than Perfetti. However, most accounts say that he is extremely fast and feisty. I saw Perfetti play once last season (and I know a guy who was on the Board of Directors where my son plays and has supposedly seen Perfetti play nearly twenty times) and I really like this kid's overall offensive game because he is skilled, smooth, and efficient with serious hockey IQ. He could be a left handed Oshie or Suzuki and I would not be upset at all if he Habs, picking 8th or 9th, select him. But when you take into account that a lot kids playing major Junior hockey are not exactly jets on their blades, for me Perfetti did not look anything like a great skater. He is young and I do not doubt that he can improve with the sustained and intense help of a skating coach, but sometimes it is perhaps just a question of the genetic lottery and fast twitch muscles. Again, I have never watched Rossi live (though I bet some of the members in Eastern Ontario like Willie, Tank, and Dis have seen him), but on youtube he looks faster both in terms of his first step or two and his high end passing speed. I agree 100% on two issues. We have more young talent than we can ever sign and we have quantity over quality. Trading down is not the way forward.years age i eas enamored with a young Corey Locke. Incredible scoring ability, small size and ordinary skating. Bossy was not a great skater but Locke was no Bossy.small guys have to be fast. Size is a big advantage come the seven game playoff series.If, big iff Perfetti and Rossi are available when we get to pick, i value skating and playing big. I wouldn't say quality over quantity. Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions too quick. You may be putting eggs in wrong basket as Timmins has not done well in first round. History tells you be a lot of talent on back end of draft you know. Strong probability his first pick will be a mistake. If you can find talent in late rounds of draft going to be big advantage to your team's future success. It is alot of work but all successful teams were good at it. Mentioned Tampa yesterday with Point, Kucherov, Cirelli, Killhorn, and those guys. If I was a GM, assemblying the right scouts and head scout to find talent in late round be #1 priority. As every draft there is a star in the late rounds. Along with a few solid players and half dozen or so decent players. A lot of work finding them, but given their low value a cheap way to acquire top talent. Not just Tampa, our last 2 Cup teams were built mainly on late picks. Patrick Roy was a 3rd round pick, Carbonneau and McPhee were 4th round picks. Chelios, Naslund, Lemieux all 2nd round picks. It is a long list, Richer was a late pick. Ludwig, Momesso, Skrudland, Nilan. Then Richer was traded for Muller who was a big part of our last Cup. Even today drafting well late is big part of Cup teams. Pittsburgh were good at it, Letang, Matt Murray, Guentzel, all late round picks. Black Hawks Keith, Crawford, Andrew Ladd, Hjalmarsson. Finding talent late in draft is pivotal to your success. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 3, 2020 8:56:15 GMT -5
I suppose that I could change my mind between this evening and whenever the draft takes place, but right now I would not hesitate to take Rossi over Perfetti. One thing that I feel fairly certain of is that Montreal should just pick the best player available. I worry that Bergevin might think Holloway or Lundell makes sense since they are bigger kids. The reality is that no one the Habs are able to pick at #8 or #9 this summer will be ready to play in the NHL until 2022-23 so just pick the best player. There are other ways to alter the composition of the forward corps in the short-term. Rossi could be better for me over Perfetti also. According to how interviews, combines, etc, go. What our scouts say about each |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 3, 2020 9:13:56 GMT -5
With Covid19 out there, virtually forced to stay inside, looking for a little time to kill and somebody mentioned late round of draft. I was looking thru some back drafts last night, trying to use mathematical anomalies to see why stars are missed in the draft. If I could find a tell a tale sign be good to know in future drafts. As likely will happen again.
I picked Aho to study. How did he slide till 2nd round? Aho wasn't rated in McKenzie's top 100. Canes took him at 35. How could so many scouts miss on that kind of talent? Small for his age he must have showed showed skill early on to the Finns. Played for Karpat at 16. Then still 16, was named to Finland's U18 team. Played well with 3 points in 5 games. Both major accomplishments. How scouts ever miss this one? His draft year his teammate was Puljujarvi. Who was a the time one of the favorites for the next draft. Many scouts may have been too occupied on Puljujarvi, allowing Aho to slide under the radar?
While on the '15 Draft, I thought why does a Jeremy Roy not make it and a Thomas Chabot ends up a star? How would it translate to a chose between Poirier or Cormier this year? Bob McKenzie had Chabot 23, and Roy 26. Both had similar U18. In his draft year Roy put up more points in Q but Chabot scored more goals than Roy. Chabot also doubled his point total from previous season. Roy's increased per game, but his goal scored decreased. Roy was 4 months younger, that does't seem to make much difference. Both same weight but Chabot 2 inches taller. Chabot was the better skater. Chabot was LD while Roy RD. Like to compare to next draft did Girard, why he make it and Roy not? Bob McKenzie had him #56 the next year. Small, LD, like Chabot his numbers jumped up good from previous years with goal scored doubled.
Odd about '15 Draft, Boston had picks 13-15. They ended up with 2 busts and a decent player in Debrusk. However, the following 3 picks 16-18, were Thomas Chabot, Barzal, and Kyle Connor. To make matters worse for the Bruins, they drafted Chabot's teammate with the Seadogs, Zborik instead of Chabot. Zboril looks like a bust. They had 3 stars in their hands and all slid thru. If they had picked those 3 be looking at a dynasty team. Ouch, we got lucky on that one.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 3, 2020 16:27:22 GMT -5
With Covid19 out there, virtually forced to stay inside, looking for a little time to kill and somebody mentioned late round of draft. I was looking thru some back drafts last night, trying to use mathematical anomalies to see why stars are missed in the draft. If I could find a tell a tale sign be good to know in future drafts. As likely will happen again. I picked Aho to study. How did he slide till 2nd round? Aho wasn't rated in McKenzie's top 100. Canes took him at 35. How could so many scouts miss on that kind of talent? Small for his age he must have showed showed skill early on to the Finns. Played for Karpat at 16. Then still 16, was named to Finland's U18 team. Played well with 3 points in 5 games. Both major accomplishments. How scouts ever miss this one? His draft year his teammate was Puljujarvi. Who was a the time one of the favorites for the next draft. Many scouts may have been too occupied on Puljujarvi, allowing Aho to slide under the radar? While on the '15 Draft, I thought why does a Jeremy Roy not make it and a Thomas Chabot ends up a star? How would it translate to a chose between Poirier or Cormier this year? Bob McKenzie had Chabot 23, and Roy 26. Both had similar U18. In his draft year Roy put up more points in Q but Chabot scored more goals than Roy. Chabot also doubled his point total from previous season. Roy's increased per game, but his goal scored decreased. Roy was 4 months younger, that does't seem to make much difference. Both same weight but Chabot 2 inches taller. Chabot was the better skater. Chabot was LD while Roy RD. Like to compare to next draft did Girard, why he make it and Roy not? Bob McKenzie had him #56 the next year. Small, LD, like Chabot his numbers jumped up good from previous years with goal scored doubled. Odd about '15 Draft, Boston had picks 13-15. They ended up with 2 busts and a decent player in Debrusk. However, the following 3 picks 16-18, were Thomas Chabot, Barzal, and Kyle Connor. To make matters worse for the Bruins, they drafted Chabot's teammate with the Seadogs, Zborik instead of Chabot. Zboril looks like a bust. They had 3 stars in their hands and all slid thru. If they had picked those 3 be looking at a dynasty team. Ouch, we got lucky on that one. Boston fans will surely look at that 2015 draft and cry. That was a very strong draft. But they can't cry too much. They plucked Pastrnak at #25 in 2014 and McAvoy at #14 in 2016. So it's only fair they blew a dynasty in 2015. We got Juulssen at #26 in 2015 and if he's healthy, he's a good pick. We had traded away our 2nd (in a strong draft of course). |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 4, 2020 7:04:51 GMT -5
With Covid19 out there, virtually forced to stay inside, looking for a little time to kill and somebody mentioned late round of draft. I was looking thru some back drafts last night, trying to use mathematical anomalies to see why stars are missed in the draft. If I could find a tell a tale sign be good to know in future drafts. As likely will happen again. I picked Aho to study. How did he slide till 2nd round? Aho wasn't rated in McKenzie's top 100. Canes took him at 35. How could so many scouts miss on that kind of talent? Small for his age he must have showed showed skill early on to the Finns. Played for Karpat at 16. Then still 16, was named to Finland's U18 team. Played well with 3 points in 5 games. Both major accomplishments. How scouts ever miss this one? His draft year his teammate was Puljujarvi. Who was a the time one of the favorites for the next draft. Many scouts may have been too occupied on Puljujarvi, allowing Aho to slide under the radar? While on the '15 Draft, I thought why does a Jeremy Roy not make it and a Thomas Chabot ends up a star? How would it translate to a chose between Poirier or Cormier this year? Bob McKenzie had Chabot 23, and Roy 26. Both had similar U18. In his draft year Roy put up more points in Q but Chabot scored more goals than Roy. Chabot also doubled his point total from previous season. Roy's increased per game, but his goal scored decreased. Roy was 4 months younger, that does't seem to make much difference. Both same weight but Chabot 2 inches taller. Chabot was the better skater. Chabot was LD while Roy RD. Like to compare to next draft did Girard, why he make it and Roy not? Bob McKenzie had him #56 the next year. Small, LD, like Chabot his numbers jumped up good from previous years with goal scored doubled. Odd about '15 Draft, Boston had picks 13-15. They ended up with 2 busts and a decent player in Debrusk. However, the following 3 picks 16-18, were Thomas Chabot, Barzal, and Kyle Connor. To make matters worse for the Bruins, they drafted Chabot's teammate with the Seadogs, Zborik instead of Chabot. Zboril looks like a bust. They had 3 stars in their hands and all slid thru. If they had picked those 3 be looking at a dynasty team. Ouch, we got lucky on that one. Boston fans will surely look at that 2015 draft and cry. That was a very strong draft. But they can't cry too much. They plucked Pastrnak at #25 in 2014 and McAvoy at #14 in 2016. So it's only fair they blew a dynasty in 2015. We got Juulssen at #26 in 2015 and if he's healthy, he's a good pick. We had traded away our 2nd (in a strong draft of course). The '15 Draft was really strong. I never noticed it before under I studied it the other night. I would put it 4th or 5th best draft ever. To get 3 stars in mid-first round shows its depth. I have '79 as best draft, then '71 to me then '84, '03 then probably '15 draft. |
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Post by frozone on Apr 4, 2020 9:29:35 GMT -5
The 2015 draft is an example why I'm generally a fan of trading down. Was it really that valuable to be drafting 5th overall as opposed to 10th, 15th or 20th? After a certain point in the draft, it makes sense to have more darts to throw at the board than it does to have a barely larger target. So with that being considered, I would look to trade down fairly often but I would only trade down within a talent cluster. For example, let's say your draft list groups the draftees into these clusters that I randomly made up:
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5-15
16-31
32-49
etc.
As long as perceived talent/value doesn't change much within a single cluster, then it just makes sense to move down and make more picks. I hate to say it, but 2018 may have been an ideal occasion to trade down our 1st rounder. After the top 2, the next cluster was so large that we could have traded down within it and still potentially have drafted Kotkaniemi to go along with that extra asset.
However, and this should be obvious, context is everything. It really depends on the talent gap between the clusters as well as how things play out on draft day. If a rare talent is sliding and you have the chance to pick him, you gotta jump on those opportunities.
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Post by folatre on Apr 4, 2020 10:01:37 GMT -5
You are making a valid point, fro. The question is whether Montreal and other clubs have a fairly good sense of where those cutoff points are in this draft.
My best guess based (mostly on what I have heard from guys who do this for a living and a little on what I have seen) is something like this:
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4-10
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21-50
Assuming Montreal is sitting in the 8 or 9 hole, I think it may be the opposite of shrewd to trade down.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 4, 2020 14:06:31 GMT -5
The 2015 draft is an example why I'm generally a fan of trading down. Was it really that valuable to be drafting 5th overall as opposed to 10th, 15th or 20th? After a certain point in the draft, it makes sense to have more darts to throw at the board than it does to have a barely larger target. So with that being considered, I would look to trade down fairly often but I would only trade down within a talent cluster. For example, let's say your draft list groups the draftees into these clusters that I randomly made up: 1-4 5-15 16-31 32-49 etc. As long as perceived talent/value doesn't change much within a single cluster, then it just makes sense to move down and make more picks. I hate to say it, but 2018 may have been an ideal occasion to trade down our 1st rounder. After the top 2, the next cluster was so large that we could have traded down within it and still potentially have drafted Kotkaniemi to go along with that extra asset. However, and this should be obvious, context is everything. It really depends on the talent gap between the clusters as well as how things play out on draft day. If a rare talent is sliding and you have the chance to pick him, you gotta jump on those opportunities. Yes, trading up or down depends entirely on the depth of the draft and the 'cluster' size as you mentioned. In 2013, if you had the 17th pick, it would have been very wise to trade up. The problem being, naturally, that unless the team GM is a dork, everyone else knows those clusters too. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 4, 2020 17:24:43 GMT -5
The 2015 draft is an example why I'm generally a fan of trading down. Was it really that valuable to be drafting 5th overall as opposed to 10th, 15th or 20th? After a certain point in the draft, it makes sense to have more darts to throw at the board than it does to have a barely larger target. So with that being considered, I would look to trade down fairly often but I would only trade down within a talent cluster. For example, let's say your draft list groups the draftees into these clusters that I randomly made up: 1-4 5-15 16-31 32-49 etc. As long as perceived talent/value doesn't change much within a single cluster, then it just makes sense to move down and make more picks. I hate to say it, but 2018 may have been an ideal occasion to trade down our 1st rounder. After the top 2, the next cluster was so large that we could have traded down within it and still potentially have drafted Kotkaniemi to go along with that extra asset. However, and this should be obvious, context is everything. It really depends on the talent gap between the clusters as well as how things play out on draft day. If a rare talent is sliding and you have the chance to pick him, you gotta jump on those opportunities. Yes, trading up or down depends entirely on the depth of the draft and the 'cluster' size as you mentioned. In 2013, if you had the 17th pick, it would have been very wise to trade up. The problem being, naturally, that unless the team GM is a dork, everyone else knows those clusters too. We could have drafted Tkaczuk and still picked up Kotkaniemi in the second or third round. Just saying. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 4, 2020 18:39:02 GMT -5
I would trade down from 8 if player I liked would be there 12-13ish. Also consider trading up with our #39. In 2018 Draft, Blues traded a 3rd pick to Toronto to move up from 29 to 25. I would trade Caps 3rd up 5 or 6 slots, if somebody I liked slid. Perrault, Bouque, Cormier, Poirier, Lapierre, etc...
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Post by BadCompany on Apr 6, 2020 9:49:55 GMT -5
Boston fans will surely look at that 2015 draft and cry. That was a very strong draft. But they can't cry too much. They plucked Pastrnak at #25 in 2014 and McAvoy at #14 in 2016. So it's only fair they blew a dynasty in 2015. We got Juulssen at #26 in 2015 and if he's healthy, he's a good pick. We had traded away our 2nd (in a strong draft of course). To be fair, we used that 2nd to get Jeff Petry. And while the 2015 draft was a great first round, one of the best of all time, it really fell off near the end of the 2nd. Our second would have been 57th overall (Jonas Siegenthaler as it turns out), and there was really nothing that we missed out on by trading that pick. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 6, 2020 16:39:56 GMT -5
Looking over past drafts, Toronto has drafted well since Dubas has taken over. In OHL anyway. To get Robertson at 53, and Sandin at 29 is pretty astute moves.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 6, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
Looking over past drafts, Toronto has drafted well since Dubas has taken over. In OHL anyway. To get Robertson at 53, and Sandin at 29 is pretty astute moves. I credit Mark Hunter for those picks. He also convinced the Leafs to take Marner over Hanifin. I would love it if Hunter was the next GM. London Knights usually have a great team. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 6, 2020 22:49:14 GMT -5
They were both with the U20 team last summer at the summer development camp and Summer Showcase tournament as underagers. They both played with the U18 team at the Hlinka in 2018 in Edmonton, where I saw them play live twice as underagers. It is near impossible to see those two against their age group peers. TSN did show those summer showcase and WJC games, so that is the best you can do with those two, Perfetti looked great in Sweden game, but think they would have beat us if Holtz, Raymond had played. It went into shoot out. Perfetti may be it or may not. He looked small in the shoulders during interviews. Some potential to increase strength. It could very well boil down to Perfetti as first 5 I see fairly firm. Holtz and Rossi likely go before Perfetti. The only thing may change if a team like Yotes in '18, goes off the board and picks a Hayton. If it occurs again and a picks Lundell or Zary could be interesting. We may get a shot at Holtz. Or somebody gives terrible interview and slides. I went back and rewatched the WJC semi between RUS-SWE. Other than featuring our kids Romanov and Norlinder, it also had some great 2020 draft implications. Raymond, Holtz, Askarov (he got pulled with 15 left in the third though) all played. All three top 10-12 prospects likely. The game also had overager Sokolov and Groshev who is first time draft eligible but did not play much as Russia’s 13th forward. The Habs will have seen lots of him as he is a teammate of last year’s pick Khisamutdinov. Pretty rare to see so many highly touted underagers in a WJC game. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 6, 2020 23:53:44 GMT -5
Looking over past drafts, Toronto has drafted well since Dubas has taken over. In OHL anyway. To get Robertson at 53, and Sandin at 29 is pretty astute moves. I credit Mark Hunter for those picks. He also convinced the Leafs to take Marner over Hanifin. I would love it if Hunter was the next GM. London Knights usually have a great team. I second the motion Hunter for GM. All those in favor........... |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 7, 2020 9:45:16 GMT -5
This is behind a paywall, but it does show that Detroit, Edmonton and the Habs all received multiple votes in Pronman’s poll in response to which team is bad at drafting and development. This should not surprise many here. That being said, I see some improvement in the drafting criteria. The new staff in Laval should help too, but that team needs to make the playoffs and start a winning environment at some near point in the future. I am not sure what impact our player development crew have, but having access to other resources like a dedicated skating coach would go a long way.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 7, 2020 12:56:53 GMT -5
Boston fans will surely look at that 2015 draft and cry. That was a very strong draft. But they can't cry too much. They plucked Pastrnak at #25 in 2014 and McAvoy at #14 in 2016. So it's only fair they blew a dynasty in 2015. We got Juulssen at #26 in 2015 and if he's healthy, he's a good pick. We had traded away our 2nd (in a strong draft of course). To be fair, we used that 2nd to get Jeff Petry. And while the 2015 draft was a great first round, one of the best of all time, it really fell off near the end of the 2nd. Our second would have been 57th overall (Jonas Siegenthaler as it turns out), and there was really nothing that we missed out on by trading that pick. I'd love to have a few high picks in another draft where the quality fell off near the end of the 2nd. |
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Post by seventeen on Apr 7, 2020 13:04:43 GMT -5
This is behind a paywall, but it does show that Detroit, Edmonton and the Habs all received multiple votes in Pronman’s poll in response to which team is bad at drafting and development. This should not surprise many here. That being said, I see some improvement in the drafting criteria. The new staff in Laval should help too, but that team needs to make the playoffs and start a winning environment at some near point in the future. I am not sure what impact our player development crew have, but having access to other resources like a dedicated skating coach would go a long way. Those are the kinds of things that, as an organization, one has to have, if success is to follow. You don't see the Raptors skimping on anything. One consistent theme with the Habs is their bean counting. It shows up in so many places. I was appalled that McCarron had to hire his own skating coach (?!!). Another very tightly held secret is Montreal's Advanced stats department. You rarely hear Julien or Bergevin comment on it. It only comes up when they're asked a question. They never say who or which company, it is, and you never know if they actually pay any attention to it Do any of Julien's moves reflect some thinking other than his own or Bergevin's. I read a tweet recently where the analytics on a Weber/Chiarot pairing were not good at all, yet that pairing stayed together a lot. I also read a tweet recently quoting Paul Byron as saying he thought Bergevin was brilliant. "You just talk to him and he sees the game in a completely different way". I can't argue with him seeing the game differently, that's for sure, but I'd question taking any advice from Paul Byron. Sigh. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 7, 2020 13:24:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that I recently read an interview by Engels with Byron and not only is Bergevin "brilliant," the Habs have the best goalie in the world, a very good group of d-men, and a very good forward corps. I finished reading it and thought wow did this guy really just describe a team that made the playoffs four of the last five seasons and won a few rounds to boot or a team that missed the playoffs four of the last five seasons?
Byron is a good dude, but nothing he said strikes me as particularly objective. That is fine, though. I suppose if I had to give a public interview about people I work with that I would also try to find nice things to say about them.
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Post by seventeen on Apr 7, 2020 15:54:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that I recently read an interview by Engels with Byron and not only is Bergevin "brilliant," the Habs have the best goalie in the world, a very good group of d-men, and a very good forward corps. I finished reading it and thought wow did this guy really just describe a team that made the playoffs four of the last five seasons and won a few rounds to boot or a team that missed the playoffs four of the last five seasons? Byron is a good dude, but nothing he said strikes me as particularly objective. That is fine, though. I suppose if I had to give a public interview about people I work with that I would also try to find nice things to say about them. Especially when one of them signs your pay cheques. Very good group of dmen, huh? Best goalie in the world? I saw that article, but didn't bother to read it. Thanks for filling in some blanks. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 7, 2020 16:04:15 GMT -5
I credit Mark Hunter for those picks. He also convinced the Leafs to take Marner over Hanifin. I would love it if Hunter was the next GM. London Knights usually have a great team. I second the motion Hunter for GM. All those in favor........... Hunter has a lot of credentials |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 9, 2020 8:55:30 GMT -5
What is your opinion of LaPierre and Barron? Do their injuries scare you? Will they slide to 2nd round?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 9, 2020 10:10:19 GMT -5
What is your opinion of LaPierre and Barron? Do their injuries scare you? Will they slide to 2nd round? I see them both sliding due to injuries compared to where they were expected to go at the beginning of this year for sure. I still think both have enough first round talent to stay late first picks, despite those injury concerns. I think the report on Lapierre that mentioned it was a neck issue rather than just a concussion that was in part why he was out for a long stretch this season may help. This is where teams need to do their due diligence. Without a possible in person combine, that takes away one key tool in the tool box. Lapierre could end up being one of the biggest steals of the draft imo. He could also be one guy whose career cuts short due to injuries. Teams with multiple firsts or those that do very good due diligence (with a decent dash of good luck thrown in), will be looking at him very closely. In theory, teams that have scouted the Q well should have a good body of evidence of their play. They have also both competed internationally, so teams will have seen them in an elevated setting. Galchenyuk was picked third overall despite missing his draft season, for example. Teams should have a good read on those two player’s projections by now. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Apr 9, 2020 11:23:23 GMT -5
An update on how the league may handle if there is no combine. This is a nice segue from the last few posts.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 9, 2020 14:50:15 GMT -5
An update on how the league may handle if there is no combine. This is a nice segue from the last few posts. Without a personal interview and combines, it will be one hell of a "pick and pray" draft. |
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 9, 2020 16:48:21 GMT -5
What is your opinion of LaPierre and Barron? Do their injuries scare you? Will they slide to 2nd round? I see them both sliding due to injuries compared to where they were expected to go at the beginning of this year for sure. I still think both have enough first round talent to stay late first picks, despite those injury concerns. I think the report on Lapierre that mentioned it was a neck issue rather than just a concussion that was in part why he was out for a long stretch this season may help. This is where teams need to do their due diligence. Without a possible in person combine, that takes away one key tool in the tool box. Lapierre could end up being one of the biggest steals of the draft imo. He could also be one guy whose career cuts short due to injuries. Teams with multiple firsts or those that do very good due diligence (with a decent dash of good luck thrown in), will be looking at him very closely. In theory, teams that have scouted the Q well should have a good body of evidence of their play. They have also both competed internationally, so teams will have seen them in an elevated setting. Galchenyuk was picked third overall despite missing his draft season, for example. Teams should have a good read on those two player’s projections by now. if there is no combine it may mean either may slide more. All according our doctors. |
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Apr 9, 2020 16:56:34 GMT -5
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Post by GNick99 on Apr 9, 2020 16:56:34 GMT -5
Most mocks I do, looking at different scenarios, we have a shot at Perfetti first round. Pashin, Villeneuve, Colangelo in 2nd round. It would be interesting. Maybe Jarventi in 3rd round.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Apr 9, 2020 17:50:22 GMT -5
An update on how the league may handle if there is no combine. This is a nice segue from the last few posts. Without a personal interview and combines, it will be one hell of a "pick and pray" draft. The Canadiens went from Stanley Cup Champions to playoff contenders to can’t make the playoffs to wait until next year to wait 8 more years. Thank you Bergevin and Molson. Molson went from The Honorable Senator Hartland to Geoff Ballard Molson. Bergevin went from its hard to its impossible Has Molson applied for his covid19 government stimulus package? |
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