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Mar 9, 2022 17:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2022 17:08:18 GMT -5
1. Putin declared that all payments are to be made in rubles for entities of unfriendly countries. That makes Putin 1000 times smarter because those companies are going to exchange their return at half their values. AND will force the West to keep some kind of value to the ruble. 2. Oil and gas to Russia is paid in dollars or Euros through Russian banks. That is why they didn't shut down ALL the Russian banks from SWIFT. 3. Ruble is exchanging in the open market. 4. National frozen assets are almost impossible to go after. The Iranian assets where held by US for a long time, tons of lawsuits against them but eventually returned to Iran. Please do NOT compare what Canadians call "suffering" to what the Russians are prepared to put up with or what Ukraine is actually suffering. So don't compare the Canadian dollar trading at half value to the Russian ruble. The Russian ruble was worth toilet paper in the Soviet Era and Russia motored on. Articles like the one you posted are "western" articles that take nothing of what is real and what is hurtful to the Russian economy. Declaring "this is economically bad" by Finiancial Post is like saying that no new Disney movie releases or McDonald's burgers in Russia is an existential threat to their way of life. The ruble is NOT collapsing. Look at the graph I posted for clarification. What I saw in the graph you posted was a 50% drop... that's not nothing... I never said the ruble is collapsing... I Post articles for information... I'll stop posting articles and you can post all you want. |
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Mar 9, 2022 17:19:43 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2022 17:19:43 GMT -5
What I saw in the graph you posted was a 50% drop... that's not nothing... I never said the ruble is collapsing... I Post articles for information... I'll stop posting articles and you can post all you want. If it's not collapsing, then there is no serious threat to Putin. As for the article, my point is that they are "western view" articles that do not take a realpolitic into account. They make us Westerners "feel good" but don't tell us anything about how that will affect Sergey and Ludmila ability to put food on the table in Moscow. Or that it even matters to Putin. DAY 13..Do YOU think that we are "winning" this? Or that what we have done is going to make a difference? |
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Mar 9, 2022 17:28:28 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2022 17:28:28 GMT -5
What I saw in the graph you posted was a 50% drop... that's not nothing... I never said the ruble is collapsing... I Post articles for information... I'll stop posting articles and you can post all you want. If it's not collapsing, then there is no serious threat to Putin. As for the article, my point is that they are "western view" articles that do not take a realpolitic into account. They make us Westerners "feel good" but don't tell us anything about how that will affect Sergey and Ludmila ability to put food on the table in Moscow. Or that it even matters to Putin. DAY 13..Do YOU think that we are "winning" this? Or that what we have done is going to make a difference? I dont think we are winning and I dont think politicians nowadays have the cojones for this unless they know they have the a guaranteed superiority with percieved minimal risk... see Iraq. I just want Putin destroyed because it won't end at ukraine... but we have no power to make a difference because Canada has neglected their military for political expediency as long as I can remember.... disgraceful |
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Mar 9, 2022 17:31:33 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2022 17:31:33 GMT -5
I also think the big problem is China, as long as Putin and Xi are in cahoots, we cant put a dent into Putin.
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Mar 9, 2022 17:52:05 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2022 17:52:05 GMT -5
I dont think we are winning and I dont think politicians nowadays have the cojones for this unless they know they have the a guaranteed superiority with percieved minimal risk... see Iraq. I just want Putin destroyed because it won't end at ukraine... but we have no power to make a difference because Canada has neglected their military for political expediency as long as I can remember.... disgraceful Can we hug?  I feel exactly the same way and that's the point of my posts today. I hated the argument of "proxy war" two weeks ago, supplying arms was great AND thinking that we are going to do our part by really shoving the Russian economy down the drain. The initial drops were great...but we are not prepared to really do what we have to do to collapse it. Now, I see the Ukrainian destruction, I don't see the west in turn destroying the Russian economy and starting to think....we are indeed fighting a proxy war and not ready to put any serious economic skin in the game. Or serious threats. There should be no scenario where Putin wins this...but he is. |
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Mar 9, 2022 18:34:23 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2022 18:34:23 GMT -5
I said it before and I will say it again, without the US, the EU is not equipped to fight Russia right now. NATO is unable to operate without the US ... Putin knows this, which is why he wanted to dismantle NATO ... It's the reason they have military advisors, cabinet ministers, etc ... where problems start is when politicians fail to heed the advice from their experts ... Canada could regain the confidence of her allies, and they can start by not taking their NATO responsibilities for granted ... this means committing the full 2% of Her GDP to defence, which is what other countries agreed to in order to be part of NATO ... it also means not taking your military for granted, either, which has been going on in Canada for decades ... Canada isn't the lone holdout on NATO, only 10 of the NATO countries actually pay their fair share ... Cheers. |
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Mar 9, 2022 19:05:21 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2022 19:05:21 GMT -5
Here's what the US actually contributes to NATO ... Nato summit: What does the US contribute?
By Reality Check team
BBC News
Published14 June 2021US President Joe Biden has reaffirmed US support for the Nato alliance as he continues his visit to Europe. Speaking at the G7 summit in the UK, Mr Biden said: "We believe that Nato is vital to our ability to maintain American security." Former President Donald Trump regularly criticised Nato members in Europe for not spending enough to support the alliance, relying on the US to shoulder the burden. Which countries spend most on defence?
In terms of the proportion of its GDP (the total value of goods produced and services) allocated to defence expenditure, the US spends more than any of the other 29 Nato countries. In 2020, it's estimated that the US spent just over 3.7% of its GDP on defence, while the average for Nato's European members (and Canada) was 1.77% of GDP. More ... |
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Mar 9, 2022 20:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Mar 9, 2022 20:26:08 GMT -5
Forgive me if I'm not inderstanding things. I'm thinking about this Polish offer of planes. The Americans rebuffed it because they felt that having these planes at their German base was a provocation to Putin. Why do they care?
It just seems like Putin can spread destruction and death as much as he wants and Ukraine just has to take it.
Sorry if this post seems naive. I see hospitals being shelled in Kyiv and people being trapped in Mariupol. Meanwhile Starbucks and McDonalds are closing in Russia. Wow that will show them.
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Mar 9, 2022 20:36:57 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2022 20:36:57 GMT -5
I said it before and I will say it again, without the US, the EU is not equipped to fight Russia right now. NATO is unable to operate without the US ... Putin knows this, which is why he wanted to dismantle NATO ... It's the reason they have military advisors, cabinet ministers, etc ... where problems start is when politicians fail to heed the advice from their experts ... Canada could regain the confidence of her allies, and they can start by not taking their NATO responsibilities for granted ... this means committing the full 2% of Her GDP to defence, which is what other countries agreed to in order to be part of NATO ... it also means not taking your military for granted, either, which has been going on in Canada for decades ... Canada isn't the lone holdout on NATO, only 10 of the NATO countries actually pay their fair share ... Cheers. Dis, this is way worse then the average Canadian understands. We have 40 year old planes that don't stand a damn chance in hell in a modern battlefield. NONE. ZERO. NADA. Russian S-300 and S-400 SAM sites or ship equipped will flick our F-18 out of the sky. It's absolutely critical and well beyond time we either get F-35s or F-22s to protect our norths, or shut the **** up about it. Russia will simply claim they own the north, build military basis and that's the end of it. Since it doesn't qualify as an "attack" under article 5 of NATO, NO ONE is going to come to our rescue. The US wont lift a finger. I'm not sure why Canadians do not understand the simplest of issues, they will not risk New York City for Grise Fiord. It's not in American interest that some Canadian "rocks" should be protected. I have ZERO confidence in the current Prime Minister or the Conservatives doing a damn thing about it. Harper had his chance to sign a fixed and unbreakable contract but didn't, Trudeau is far more interested in whatever get's him votes, virtue signaling and face time on the news. Just look at what is going on right now. 40 billion for "social justice" of 80 year old issue, 400 billion DEBT....but not a penny more for our own protection. Although I have to admit, he looked soooo photo op coolz strutting in front of troops...with guns. (Just don't ask him to pick up a rifle cause high probability he would shoot himself in the foot. Besides, those are REAL assault rifles, not the ones he banned because they "look like assault rifles".) Just to make it clear, I liked Harper a LOT but he was a total failure in my eyes when it came to national defense and properly equipping our military. So this criticism of Trudeau is EXACTLY in the same line of failure. Try not to be political, but it IS a political issue that we are where we are as far as our military. |
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Mar 9, 2022 20:43:46 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2022 20:43:46 GMT -5
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Mar 9, 2022 20:54:28 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2022 20:54:28 GMT -5
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Mar 9, 2022 20:57:54 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2022 20:57:54 GMT -5
Forgive me if I'm not understanding things. I'm thinking about this Polish offer of planes. The Americans rebuffed it because they felt that having these planes at their German base was a provocation to Putin. Why do they care? It just seems like Putin can spread destruction and death as much as he wants and Ukraine just has to take it. Sorry if this post seems naive. I see hospitals being shelled in Kyiv and people being trapped in Mariupol. Meanwhile Starbucks and McDonalds are closing in Russia. Wow that will show them. I don't understand it either and I'm a chicken hawk..... I've addressed this in another post. Those planes are 4th generation fodder for Russian SAM sites. I've already seen pictures of 4 mobile AA missile trucks disabled and I'm sure there is a hundred times more in the battle field. ALL of Ukraine is already covered by SAM's yet it's a big deal to supply Ukraine with more planes. Anybody want to ask the questions....what happened to Ukraine's air force? They had 100 combat aircraft and now? Do the have any left? So why are these going to fair any better? As for making loud promises.... Putin spoke, the west including Americans pissed their pants. How can you possibly deter a bully when you show him fear? At this point, those planes are going to be junk within a week, but at least we "tried". Putin is winning....and that is the biggest mistake possible since 1938. Including Ukraines resources, we will be handing him the power to spin us around his little finger in terms of energy and food. He will literally be able to create havoc for the entire planet in energy and food markets at will. AT WILL. He will achieve the unimaginable. Think about the price of wheat when he and only HE decides to not supply grain to the world. $20 for a loaf of bread. Fuel shut down? $10 a liter. Destroying western economies at his whim and fancy. Yes, it's that bad if he wins. But right now, we're busy looking at our tv's and whining about gas prices, worried about "escalation" but totally oblivious to the much larger, far grimmer picture that awaits us. |
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Mar 9, 2022 20:59:21 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 9, 2022 20:59:21 GMT -5
A good read, thanks ... Cheers. |
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Mar 9, 2022 21:11:48 GMT -5
Post by jkr on Mar 9, 2022 21:11:48 GMT -5
I saw the French ambassador to Canada on Newsworld earlier. She said - "we have to keep talking to Putin. Macron has spoken to Putin 14 times since December."
I thought, OK, and where exactly has that gotten you? The Israeli PM flew to Moscow for a meeting with him. Nothing.
People get their hopes up, as if he's a person that listens to reason and the war goes on.
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Mar 9, 2022 21:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 9, 2022 21:20:58 GMT -5
I saw the French ambassador to Canada on Newsworld earlier. She said - "we have to keep talking to Putin. Macron has spoken to Putin 14 times since December." I thought, OK, and where exactly has that gotten you? The Israeli PM flew to Moscow for a meeting with him. Nothing. People get their hopes up, as if he's a person that listens to reason and the war goes on. It's just part of the distraction... it's why he allows cease fires, to stock up... nothing humanitarian from that animal |
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Mar 9, 2022 22:34:50 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2022 22:34:50 GMT -5
I saw the French ambassador to Canada on Newsworld earlier. She said - "we have to keep talking to Putin. Macron has spoken to Putin 14 times since December." I thought, OK, and where exactly has that gotten you? The Israeli PM flew to Moscow for a meeting with him. Nothing. People get their hopes up, as if he's a person that listens to reason and the war goes on. American Idol has some really cool contestants... The biggest mistake so far is that we are applying Western standards of fair play and then someone doesn't play by them, we label them crazy. Putin is not crazy. He's not blood thirsty. He's a man who is starting to really scare me because the "big picture" is becomming very near, very acheavable. Let's think about this...the reason we think he has started this is because he's afraid he will be surrounded by NATO, but in reality, NATO was fractured and hardly a threat to invade. And he always had the nukes to fall back on. So why is he doing this? Oil, gas and food. He controls 12% of the world oil/gas, will add another 4-5% from Ukraine resources. Now look at wheat....Russian Federation has 3rd highest in the world and Ukraine the 7th. Combined they are number 2 in the world and in the position to shake the entire planet in terms of food production. There is no "extra capacity" to make up that much production so any "shortages" are going to explode prices. Literally bringing the world to it's knees. Western inflation, recessions, world hunger, literally at his whim. You don't have to invade the world, just control it's main resources. Hitler is jealous. Good thing that our leaders are looking at the bigger picture and understand what is at risk. Good thing they have a plan to shut this down. Good thing that they informed the public and that we may have to do what we need to do now...or face certain Western economic destruction in the near future. 1938.... www.atlasbig.com/en-ca/countries-by-wheat-production |
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Mar 10, 2022 0:08:51 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 0:08:51 GMT -5
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Mar 10, 2022 0:40:55 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2022 0:40:55 GMT -5
NATO is unable to operate without the US ... Putin knows this, which is why he wanted to dismantle NATO ... It's the reason they have military advisors, cabinet ministers, etc ... where problems start is when politicians fail to heed the advice from their experts ... Canada could regain the confidence of her allies, and they can start by not taking their NATO responsibilities for granted ... this means committing the full 2% of Her GDP to defence, which is what other countries agreed to in order to be part of NATO ... it also means not taking your military for granted, either, which has been going on in Canada for decades ... Canada isn't the lone holdout on NATO, only 10 of the NATO countries actually pay their fair share ... Cheers. Dis, this is way worse then the average Canadian understands. We have 40 year old planes that don't stand a damn chance in hell in a modern battlefield. NONE. ZERO. NADA. Russian S-300 and S-400 SAM sites or ship equipped will flick our F-18 out of the sky. It's absolutely critical and well beyond time we either get F-35s or F-22s to protect our norths, or shut the **** up about it. Russia will simply claim they own the north, build military basis and that's the end of it. Since it doesn't qualify as an "attack" under article 5 of NATO, NO ONE is going to come to our rescue. The US wont lift a finger. I'm not sure why Canadians do not understand the simplest of issues, they will not risk New York City for Grise Fiord. It's not in American interest that some Canadian "rocks" should be protected. I have ZERO confidence in the current Prime Minister or the Conservatives doing a damn thing about it. Harper had his chance to sign a fixed and unbreakable contract but didn't, Trudeau is far more interested in whatever get's him votes, virtue signaling and face time on the news. Just look at what is going on right now. 40 billion for "social justice" of 80 year old issue, 400 billion DEBT....but not a penny more for our own protection. Although I have to admit, he looked soooo photo op coolz strutting in front of troops...with guns. (Just don't ask him to pick up a rifle cause high probability he would shoot himself in the foot. Besides, those are REAL assault rifles, not the ones he banned because they "look like assault rifles".) Just to make it clear, I liked Harper a LOT but he was a total failure in my eyes when it came to national defense and properly equipping our military. So this criticism of Trudeau is EXACTLY in the same line of failure. Try not to be political, but it IS a political issue that we are where we are as far as our military. The Canadian Armed Forces went through a total heart transplant when we committed to Afghanistan ... under the recommendations of Gen Rick Hillier, the Liberals then opened the books on defence spending to support the troops ... we have a few Afghan veterans who check in with us from time to time, and I'd like to hear their perspectives ... through them, we understand the real war ... Cheers. |
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Mar 10, 2022 2:22:37 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 2:22:37 GMT -5
The Canadian Armed Forces went through a total heart transplant when we committed to Afghanistan ... under the recommendations of Gen Rick Hillier, the Liberals then opened the books on defence spending to support the troops ... we have a few Afghan veterans who check in with us from time to time, and I'd like to hear their perspectives ... through them, we understand the real war ... Cheers. I like to hear from them too. As a engineer, I have a keen interest of military hardware/history from an engineering and general interest perspective, along with geopolitics, but nada to actual experience...obviously. Some complaints...that have absolutely nothing to do with our man and woman who serve us brilliantly. With tremendous bravery and courage. My biggest pet peeve right now is that our 4th generation, 40 year old planes are hardly a deterrence to the biggest actual direct threat, our North. I doubt anybody needs our current airforce in a European theater shooting war other then in secondary roles. Then there are other military issues... Drone technology? 12,000 short on personenl? How many self propelled artillery pieces (that are the mainstay of Russian invasion)? None? We have 95 Leapard 2s and we LEASED 40 more for the Afgan mission from the Germans. You know what's hilarious? I built some massive hydroforming presses and I know that we in Canada, well, actually, seven minutes from my house, we had machining/tech capabilities to build ANYTHING we wanted. For crying out loud, they were machining 15 ton plates for me that were larger the gun turrets. In 1996, i designed and they build and moved a 70 ton press that was 10ft x 12ft x 20ft. Where is the "high tech" in making a self propelled artillery pieces? Or tank bodies? In Greece, they are concerned about dirt cheap drones that Turkey is building like they are pots and pans. Turkey can do it but Canada can't? I'm an expert in hydroforming and I know there are others also residing here. I can set up a factory to produce drone body components so fast, we need Amazon size warehouses to store them. There are a few ultra high tech military electronics companies near the airport that can easily build the electronics. Why aren't we building the future of warfare? We certainly don't lack the Canadian engineering talent or abilities.... Nothing will change...and I'm tired of complaining... ------- Read this and cry. We are supplying the most critical component...but won't make the entire thing... www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-air-strike-targeting-gear-appears-to-be-playing-supporting/In case anyone wonders what hydroforming is.... americanhydroformers.com/what-is-hydroforming/#:~:text=Hydroforming%20is%20used%20to%20replace,creating%20complex%20shapes%20and%20contours. This is the size of a hydroforming press. I could built one on a shoe string budget down the street but we can't build tank bodies on military size budgets? BULLCRAP. www.google.com/search?q=hydroforming+press&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi45Oqgz7v2AhWxFlkFHWQTCQsQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=hydroforming+press&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBAgAEBgyBAgAEBg6BAgAEA1Q5QdY5QdgrCFoAHAAeACAAW6IAdABkgEDMS4xmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=BvkpYrjJO7Gt5NoP5KakWA&bih=1138&biw=712&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=ivsn |
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Mar 10, 2022 7:35:59 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 7:35:59 GMT -5
Why we need F-35 or F-22s. All the Russians have to do is place these missiles in the Artic and that's it. We are sending them evil tweets.... What Russia claims..... www.arctictoday.com/russia-extends-its-claim-to-the-arctic-ocean-seabed/?wallit_nosession=1This makes the F18 obsolete.... Counter... Without turning this into a weapons discussion, we need cheap sacrificial Predator type drones like the ones Turkey has and we need the F-35s. We can easily have a domestic version of one and buy the other. We have neither now. Or order another latte and forget the Artic.... |
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Mar 10, 2022 8:02:30 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Mar 10, 2022 8:02:30 GMT -5
I read an article a few months ago about how poor our military was compared to other nations in NATO.(I'll try and find it and post it). It was saying that our Military's spending is not 1.7% but more like 1.3%. Saying they(liberals) have allotted expenses in the military's budget that doesn't really belong. ie Coastguard, some RCMP spending etc.
What concerned us at work, was that they were also explaining that in order to bring Canada's Military back up to respectable in the eyes of NATo, that we'd have to spend somewhere close to 3% for the next decade. Which we all know will never happen. It figured that if we increased our spending to what was promised to a true 2% it would take Canada another 25 years to catch up.
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Mar 10, 2022 8:23:53 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 8:23:53 GMT -5
I read an article a few months ago about how poor our military was compared to other nations in NATO.(I'll try and find it and post it). It was saying that our Military's spending is not 1.7% but more like 1.3%. Saying they(liberals) have allotted expenses in the military's budget that doesn't really belong. ie Coastguard, some RCMP spending etc. What concerned us at work, was that they were also explaining that in order to bring Canada's Military back up to respectable in the eyes of NATo, that we'd have to spend somewhere close to 3% for the next decade. Which we all know will never happen. It figured that if we increased our spending to what was promised to a true 2% it would take Canada another 25 years to catch up. We can produce very capable equipment, right here, right now, for reasonable prices. The problems... 1...stupid politicians who can't wrap their heads round that we need to protect ourselves. That means spending on things that can kill. 2...MISHOF....Military Shiny Object Fixation. Example...the top brass always wants the greatest ever. Drones? Are they capable of chasing alien spacecraft...and cost an airliner. Reality is that it's disposable battlefield equipment that should be plentiful, cheap and domestically produced. It can be made here. Tomorrow. But what the hell do i know about manufacturing in Canada. Only in it from 13 years old..... |
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Mar 10, 2022 9:07:54 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Mar 10, 2022 9:07:54 GMT -5
I read an article a few months ago about how poor our military was compared to other nations in NATO.(I'll try and find it and post it). It was saying that our Military's spending is not 1.7% but more like 1.3%. Saying they(liberals) have allotted expenses in the military's budget that doesn't really belong. ie Coastguard, some RCMP spending etc. What concerned us at work, was that they were also explaining that in order to bring Canada's Military back up to respectable in the eyes of NATo, that we'd have to spend somewhere close to 3% for the next decade. Which we all know will never happen. It figured that if we increased our spending to what was promised to a true 2% it would take Canada another 25 years to catch up. We can produce very capable equipment, right here, right now, for reasonable prices. The problems... 1...stupid politicians who can't wrap their heads round that we need to protect ourselves. That means spending on things that can kill. 2...MISHOF....Military Shiny Object Fixation. Example...the top brass always wants the greatest ever. Drones? Are they capable of chasing alien spacecraft...and cost an airliner. Reality is that it's disposable battlefield equipment that should be plentiful, cheap and domestically produced. It can be made here. Tomorrow. But what the hell do i know about manufacturing in Canada. Only in it from 13 years old..... Absolutely we can....the issue is that we make promises to other countries to buy their products in turn for them buying ours or lowering tariffs etc. Also, it's hard to compete with other manufactures from China and India. There is a knife company in my area that made the knives for the Canadian Military for decades, until they lost the contract to China. If the government can give away billions and billions to other countries, you'd think they would be ok in spending a little extra to help manufacture domestic products. But what do I know?? |
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Mar 10, 2022 14:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 14:48:36 GMT -5
Last night i was trying to determine what that hospital blast was. From what i could tell, in the middle of the courtyard there was a huge, 15 foot deep crater....and it was only one bomb.
My guess....it was a 1 ton bomb, in the middle of the courtyard to destroy the facility. It was targetting children.
It is a war crime. Period. WHY the hell aren't our politicians calling Puta a war criminal? Hurt feelings? Or are we back to 1938 and we're doing the Chamberlain appeasement thing?
Folks...we have our new and improved, 2022 Hitler.
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Mar 10, 2022 15:01:53 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Mar 10, 2022 15:01:53 GMT -5
Last night i was trying to determine what that hospital blast was. From what i could tell, in the middle of the courtyard there was a huge, 15 foot deep crater....and it was only one bomb. My guess....it was a 1 ton bomb, in the middle of the courtyard to destroy the facility. It was targetting children. It is a war crime. Period. WHY the hell aren't our politicians calling Puta a war criminal? Hurt feelings? Or are we back to 1938 and we're doing the Chamberlain appeasement thing? Folks...we have our new and improved, 2022 Hitler. The only things I can think off was either it was a mistake, errand rockets happen. Or....it wasn't just a Hospital, Ukraine government may have been using it for something else. Or...Putin is just an evil bastard and everyone is scared of him. |
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Mar 10, 2022 18:06:39 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 18:06:39 GMT -5
Last night i was trying to determine what that hospital blast was. From what i could tell, in the middle of the courtyard there was a huge, 15 foot deep crater....and it was only one bomb. My guess....it was a 1 ton bomb, in the middle of the courtyard to destroy the facility. It was targetting children. It is a war crime. Period. WHY the hell aren't our politicians calling Puta a war criminal? Hurt feelings? Or are we back to 1938 and we're doing the Chamberlain appeasement thing? Folks...we have our new and improved, 2022 Hitler. The only things I can think off was either it was a mistake, errand rockets happen. Or....it wasn't just a Hospital, Ukraine government may have been using it for something else. Or...Putin is just an evil bastard and everyone is scared of him. Judging from it's placement, it could have neen a large smart bomb. You can't tell the difference from a hole other then if somebody looked at the missile debris, which is highly unlikely in that enviroment. Regardless, hitting the center and surrounded by buildings tells us it wa no accident. As for "other uses", sure, i wouldn't be suprised. From the news, it looks like a militia which given history, they tend to use whatever they can get away with. Or give themselves higher survivability. Fog of war.... As for Puta, there isn't anyone who is willing to say FU to him and draw lines. Biden gives me zero confidence, the former president would make me build a bomb shelter. Although i seriously doubt Puta would toss nuke threats at Trump like he's doing now. Crazy recognizes crazy... But Putin isn't crazy. He's calculating and deliberate. He's playing all his cards like he owns the west...and right now, he does. We need a better, smarter strategy but there is no one other then maybe Macron, maybe, that can formulate a long term trap to keep us from Hitler V2 version that it looks like right now. Meanwhile....my wife and i are going into a "long term security plan" and how we meet potential outcomes. And to think that when we retired 2.5 years ago, we were going to plan our world tours... |
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Mar 10, 2022 18:52:06 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2022 18:52:06 GMT -5
I read an article a few months ago about how poor our military was compared to other nations in NATO.(I'll try and find it and post it). It was saying that our Military's spending is not 1.7% but more like 1.3%. Saying they(liberals) have allotted expenses in the military's budget that doesn't really belong. ie Coastguard, some RCMP spending etc. What concerned us at work, was that they were also explaining that in order to bring Canada's Military back up to respectable in the eyes of NATo, that we'd have to spend somewhere close to 3% for the next decade. Which we all know will never happen. It figured that if we increased our spending to what was promised to a true 2% it would take Canada another 25 years to catch up. Bringing the military back up to snuff and fulfilling our NATO commitments are two different issues ... I can only give you my perspective from when I was in the service, but I suspect some problems are relatively the same today if you were to talk with today's soldiers ... the neglect of Canada's military is literally decades old, and it has a lot to do with government inexperience, and incompetence ... some issues just off the top of my head ... The Iltis issue; the CF had a chance to purchase Iltis jeeps directly from Volkswagen in Germany for $28,000/vehicle ... however, the Canadian government wanted the vehicles made in Canada, which resulted in job creation, etc ... yet, building them in Canada required us to purchase the license to do it ... the final price tag was approximately $80,000/vehicle, and they even removed some protective armour 'to keep the cost down' ... The LSVW was originally built for the Italian army, but they failed in so many areas that the Italians refused all but 10 of them ... those 10 were used as airport logistics vehicles in Italy ... the government knew that the manufacturer would go bankrupt if the remaining vehicles went unsold, so they lowered the standards and sold everything to the CF ... it saved the company, but it couldn't save Kim Campbell, who lost in her own riding ... the same riding where the vehicles were built ... go figure ... Just around the time the Afghan War started, the CF had a chance to purchase two squadrons of Black Hawk attack helicopters for $1 million a piece ... the Canadian government turned them down citing that, the added expenses of having to train pilots, along with maintenance costs just weren't worth it ... considering they were saving $4.8 million/aircraft, I'd say that they had more than enough money for training and spare parts, but that's from my vantage point ... The Upholder Class submarines were a farce ... renamed by the RCN to the "Victoria" Class so as not to confuse them with being "U-Boats" ... Canada purchased three submarines from the UK that were previously turned down by other countries ... in exchange for the subs, Canada would pay the bill for British troops to train in CFB Suffield ... that would include paying for all rations and quarters for Brit soldiers for the duration of contract ... that was a sweet deal for the Brits, and it would have taken years to pay off the tab ... however, the subs had been mothballed for years and, as such, were in poor condition to begin with, but Canada saw the 'deal' and went for it ... the papers for that deal were secretly ripped up, and the Brits went elsewhere ... Other things that didn't work out ... the CF wanted a new Garrison dress for its soldiers, so the task was given to a young captain who was Aide-de-camp for a general in Ottawa ... he was given six months to come up with a choice of patterns for review, so the file went into his pending basket ... for the next 5 1/2 months ... once the Captain found it, and realized he only had two weeks before the deadline, he went to Canadian Tire and picked out 4 hunting patterns ... he produced these jackets at the meeting, and one of them became the new CF garrison dress tunic ... Canadian companies also produced merchandise for some African militaries, as well ... in one instance, jungle tunics were made for an African country, only to have the government change (a coup?), and the deal fall through ... those tunics became the jump smocks the SSF (now CSOR) and they wore them for many decades ... another deal had a Canadian company manufacture combat boots for another African country, only the boots resembled punk-rock jack-boots instead of combat boots ... those, too, failed to meet their standards and the buyer walked away ... those boots became the new CF army garrison boots, and if you had them issued, then you had to wear them over the regular army boots ... I drew my issue, and traded them in at a local army surplus store for a backpack I ended up using for college ... as it is now, I'd have to talk with the troops to see where their personal equipment shortfalls are ... RCAF/Armoured ... the CF-18 is a darn good aircraft, but it fails in comparison to what other countries have ... right now the government is considering one of two aircraft as a replacement ... the Saab Gripen and the Lockheed Martin F-35, are the front-runners right now ... both are excellent aircraft ... the last time I saw the Leopard 1 crews 'in action' was in Germany back in 1989 ... it was an international competition, and the Canadian crews were at a disadvantage against the US M1-Abrahams, and the European (German) Leopard II ... however, despite the dated equipment, the Canadians finished 4th overall in the competition ... the top-4 remaining teams used both the Abrahams and Leopard II tanks, while the British Challenger teams, were not a factor ... if Canada wants to replace their armour, and it were up to me, I'd recommend the Leopard II over the Abrahams ... the crews would already be familiar the inside of a Leopard II, so that would be a factor ... I'm up in the air about the aircraft ... As for our NATO commitment, it was only a matter of time before someone called out Canada for not fulfilling her financial commitment ... I don't know how they're going to do it, but they've got to reach that 2% ... if Ukraine has taught us anything it's that, Putin can't be trusted, and our northern regions are wide open ... that's an extremist comment, granted, but we're talking about Putin ... Cheers. |
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Mar 10, 2022 19:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 19:24:42 GMT -5
Thanks for that input Dis. It's one thing to see things on paper or engineering perspective, but an entirely different world from first hand experience.
I'm ABSOLUTELY convinced the future for us is drones and F-35 or F-22. Unless the Americans are going to invade us for our maple syrup, the only real territorial danger we have is in our North.
To defend that we need an ice breaker or two and air power. Any claims by Russia will be economic and they will do exactly what the Turks are doing with Greece. They will send seismic ships and war ships. Right now, we have absolutely nothing to threaten them other the suicide geese.
Once they establish a missile sight to protect any drilling platform, we have no way to stop or threaten that unless we have either of the before mentioned fighters AND drones. The drones are the way to go to draw out and destroy the SAM sites without risking fighters or pilots. If that happens then expect Russian bomber incursions which the F-22 is the ideal fighter. Supercruise there and say hello...or good-bye.
As an arm chair military tactician, correct me here if I'm wrong about anything. It's been about 20 years since i was far better informed from my ex-military site.
The absolutely stupid excuse by Canadian politicians that Putin wont do it is criminal negligence. Their largest gas field is very north and later on tonight i will confirm that. I was doing some Google "intelligence" on where his pipelines and pumping stations are and was suprised how far north their fields are. Not a far stretch to see Russia "develop" the Artic.
Oh wait...this is one for the ages.....the Russians wont "develop" the Artic because of potential environmental issues. Please don't laugh too hard...
So there is my current military thoughts....from my easy chair..
EDIT....the most northern developed gas fields in Russia are equivalent to just north of our NorthWest territories. Note NORTH. Hard to see how that is going to be developed but given that gas is going to go higher and higher and the estimate of accessibility is 20 years away, it is an issue.
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Mar 10, 2022 21:11:29 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 10, 2022 21:11:29 GMT -5
And just as we start talking about it ... Defence chief says guarding Far North priority,
warns Russia is back in Arctic bases1 hour ago OTTAWA — Canada's defence chief says protecting the country's Arctic region is a key priority for the Armed Forces, warning that Russia has reoccupied abandoned Cold War bases in its Far North. More ... |
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Mar 10, 2022 21:43:29 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2022 21:43:29 GMT -5
Let me know if anyone thinks we in the West are in smart hands....
This is so convoluted, bring a notepad and try not to laugh over the brilliance....and confirms that Biden administration is run by political committee that is in boot shaking fear of Putin.
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