Ukraine

[Cranky]

About those planes in a minute....

I said it before and I will say it again, without the US, the EU is not equipped to fight Russia right now. They can be. They certainly have mountains of resources and it won't take long to get ready but right this minute. ALL of the Russian neighboring countries would be be subject to enormous losses. The strongest one by far is Poland and it's one step behind in mechanized forces compared to the Russians. It's air force is simply too small and too dated to back it's subsrantial ground troops. The best it has are 48 F16.

The countries that could hold their own and ready to fight on equal or better footing (but not scale) are two borders or a channel away. Without the US spearheading and the rest falling in to line with their respective abilities, Russia would inflict enormous damage. Russia would still lose without the US, but man oh man, it would be a bloodbath until the EU got the upper hand.

Try to imagine the Greek air force backing Romanian ground troops. The command and control would look like the Keystone cops. Both would fight valiantly.....into their graves. The Greek fighters need to take out the SAM radar THEN Romanians need to ground attack the SAM's to allow the Greek fighters to do their job. All of this needs commandand control coordination. The Americans do is so easily because they not only have the equipment, they have the experience from all those wars.

So about those planes....they won't last more then a day. Russia probably brought enough AA to deal with any Ukrainian air force and a few dozen planes won't change much.

Let's say those two dozen planes wanted to attack the convoy. Unless the Russian generals are idiots, that convoy has SAMs dispersed in it. Images of the infamous Iraqi Highway of Death was Americans massive air power and total air control shooting fish in a barrel. This is not it.

Just for the record, if the Americans wanted to stop that convoy they would pick a choke point, Predator the front of the column to stop it, then fly in but at a distance to light up their radar all along the column, hit them to blind their SAMs, then slaughter. Does that sound like Ukraines abilities?

I'm concerned that politicians are playing genersls and that is a bad thing...really bad thing.

[Polarice]

There is ZERO chance of the Ukraine getting into the EU now and probably ever. There are members of the EU that are either allies or friends of Russia, who want nothing to do with the conflict.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

A history of Ukraine - Coles Notes Version

[Cranky]

It's now up to about 30% that Puta to set off an underground nuke.

Puta can NOT lose or lose face because that will guarantee him a first hand experience as a lamp post decoration so he "must" win. He's not stupid and he knows he stands zero, nada chance against NATO in a conventional war so now he has to raise the stakes into a nuclear threat....and deliver that threat with an underground blast.

The problem is that the West can NOT back down because that is in the simplest terms, a win and a method for a bully that won't stop. It will happen again and again simply because that is how the Law of Bullies work. Look at his history. Take his "The Glorious Russia" at face value. He's looking at his "legacy" as a great Russian hero in history. He's not looking to wipe Russia out of existence, but he'll try right up to the edge.

So now I'm looking at my now very dated world map and wondering what are his best options. Obviously he can't threaten a land war he can never, ever win, so the only option to get the west to back off is that nuke explosion.

BTW, just for the record, the Russian army has showed it's hand and it is NOT up to the west level. Think Desert Storm and this looks like a better version, better equipped Iraqi army. Not much more. NATO already has 4 nations that if they faced this "invasion" directly, they would mince meat it. Brits, French, Turkey and Greece are ready for this level of Russian "invasion" and would turn it into a Russian junk and body bag count. Germans too were up to snuff up until the early 90s but let their military training/equipment lag. The rest simply need to spend on hardware and create a professional level military to match it. The one that has the highest and best hope is Poland, which needs new better armour like Abraham's and F35s. Americans need nothing because Russia is simply not in their well equipped and highly experienced league. Israel...that would be literally be an elephant taking on a vicious little raptor...and goodbye Putin.

(No, I'm not a war monger, but I firmly believe military might ensures deterrence and peace .)

[Cranky]

This got to me...

[Cranky]

No fly zone....won't fly.

You can NOT have a no fly zone without taking out their SAMs. You can only take out their SAMs by first setting their radars off and then hitting them with a missile. Then you take out the truck or battery.

That means killing Russians. Lots of Russians.

Bobby Rae and other "experts" don't know sweat FA about what they are talking about or what it entails.

What the idiot class should be pushing is to provide at most, SAMs like the Patriot missile system...note the word system. It's big, hugely effective but also expensive, needs training and will cover a battlefield area the size of a city. Which of course will be the target of Russian planes to take them out.

Why Patriot SAMs...because the west is not pushing the kill button.

I keep saying about countries being "prepared" to wage war. That means having layers protect each other. Planes protecting SAM sites which protect ground troops which must in turn be protected by ground troops.

Any "system" we give the Ukrainians is not not as simple as giving them the keys to a new truck. They need know how to use them and to have an integrated battlefield which they do NOT have.

Stingers and Javelins. Lots of them. Flood the country with them. But please stop the no fly zone nonsense unless the West is ready to kill lots of Russians and march into Moscow.

Also...as much as I admire Zelensky, he should stop trying to draw in the idiot blabbering class because he's fully aware that what he's asking means NATO killing Russians and going all in for his country.

This is what it looks like...and note the multi truck and radar acquisition complexity.

[HABsurd]

Mar 3, 2022 1:51:19 GMT -5 Cranky said:

No fly zone....won't fly.

You can NOT have a no fly zone without taking out their SAMs. You can only take out their SAMs by first setting their radars off and then hitting them with a missile. Then you take out the truck or battery.

That means killing Russians. Lots of Russians.

Bobby Rae and other "experts" don't know sweat FA about what they are talking about or what it entails.

Bob Rae called for the enforcement of a no fly zone? I haven't seen that. Do you have a link? Thanks.

[Cranky]

Mar 3, 2022 12:36:35 GMT -5 HABsurd said:

Mar 3, 2022 1:51:19 GMT -5 Cranky said:

No fly zone....won't fly.

You can NOT have a no fly zone without taking out their SAMs. You can only take out their SAMs by first setting their radars off and then hitting them with a missile. Then you take out the truck or battery.

That means killing Russians. Lots of Russians.

Bobby Rae and other "experts" don't know sweat FA about what they are talking about or what it entails.

Bob Rae called for the enforcement of a no fly zone? I haven't seen that. Do you have a link? Thanks.

The one and only...and why on earth would Russia buy in and cripple themselves? They own the skies right now and unless Putin is secretly surrending to Bobby, there is no chance in hell that Putin surrenders the skies. This is just "soft selling" no fly zone to the uneducated masses who don't have a clue of what it entails to create a no fly zone. It's a political catch phrase now and of course, he's repping the UN.


Bob Ray said that the no-fly zone “is certainly a wonderful thing if it happens, but it requires a certain consensus that simply does not exist in this situation.”

And of all people, Rick Hillier. What the hell does he think we are in, 1918 and Sopwith Camels? This was the former commander of NATO? Scarry to think that there could be people like these who made decisions. Past tense.


olxpraca.com/canadian-ambassador-says-no-fly-zone-needs-russian-buy-in/

[HABsurd]

Mar 3, 2022 14:54:24 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Mar 3, 2022 12:36:35 GMT -5 HABsurd said:

Bob Rae called for the enforcement of a no fly zone? I haven't seen that. Do you have a link? Thanks.

The one and only...and why on earth would Russia buy in and cripple themselves? They own the skies right now and unless Putin is secretly surrending to Bobby, there is no chance in hell that Putin surrenders the skies. This is just "soft selling" no fly zone to the uneducated masses who don't have a clue of what it entails to create a no fly zone. It's a political catch phrase now and of course, he's repping the UN.


Bob Ray said that the no-fly zone “is certainly a wonderful thing if it happens, but it requires a certain consensus that simply does not exist in this situation.”

And of all people, Rick Hillier. What the hell does he think we are in, 1918 and Sopwith Camels? This was the former commander of NATO? Scarry to think that there could be people like these who made decisions. Past tense.


olxpraca.com/canadian-ambassador-says-no-fly-zone-needs-russian-buy-in/

The positions of Bob Rae and Rick Hillier are not comparable. If you read the article you quoted, Bob Rae is saying that the only way a no fly zone happens is if both Russia and Ukraine agree — which "requires a degree of consensus that simply doesn't exist in this situation" — so not happening.

Agree with you that the position of Rick Hillier is very disappointing and it is worrying that he was in such a position of authority.

[Cranky]

Mar 3, 2022 15:55:27 GMT -5 HABsurd said:

Mar 3, 2022 14:54:24 GMT -5 Cranky said:

The one and only...and why on earth would Russia buy in and cripple themselves? They own the skies right now and unless Putin is secretly surrending to Bobby, there is no chance in hell that Putin surrenders the skies. This is just "soft selling" no fly zone to the uneducated masses who don't have a clue of what it entails to create a no fly zone. It's a political catch phrase now and of course, he's repping the UN.


Bob Ray said that the no-fly zone “is certainly a wonderful thing if it happens, but it requires a certain consensus that simply does not exist in this situation.”

And of all people, Rick Hillier. What the hell does he think we are in, 1918 and Sopwith Camels? This was the former commander of NATO? Scarry to think that there could be people like these who made decisions. Past tense.


olxpraca.com/canadian-ambassador-says-no-fly-zone-needs-russian-buy-in/

The positions of Bob Rae and Rick Hillier are not comparable. If you read the article you quoted, Bob Rae is saying that the only way a no fly zone happens is if both Russia and Ukraine agree — which "requires a degree of consensus that simply doesn't exist in this situation" — so not happening.

Agree with you that the position of Rick Hillier is very disappointing and it is worrying that he was in such a position of authority.

I did read the article and saw him soft selling it on tv. The sell was the "no fly zone" and the qualifier was secondary. Of course he was mum of who would enforce it. UN? LOL!!! That's were i first heard him and that he's now in the UN.

People like my wife and cousins who have no clue about military matters nodded approvingly and think "it's a great idea". Which is the frightening part of it.

I tried to get on CFRB radio station to explain how one gets a "no fly zone" and what it really means to either create it or enforce it. Got nowhere because this same radio station had Hillier selling his garbage yesterday. I wonder if he has a personal agenda?

I'm all in on taking gas hits and spending our tax dollars on supplying Ukraine as much as possible. Then above and beyond that. Maybe a volunteer position to help out. But i don't want WW3. Or iodine pills.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Cranky]

Why isn't the ruble worth less then Charmin toilet paper?

It dropped against the Euro and now rebounded a bit. Against the US dollar it's still sliding a bit and not much change against the Canadian dollar.

Have they banned all ruble exchanges world wide?

Why not?

Unlesss the West starts banning Russian oil imports, Russia will still have dollars and Euros to trade with. China and India need to feel their trade with the West is not a birth right. Particularly India that cried for support when facing China expansionist but not so much when it buys Russian oil.

This has to be total economic war against Russia and frankly, Puta can't do a damn thing about it. I don't understand why a week later, the ruble isn't rubble.

Edit...$700,000,000 A DAY...THATS HOW MUCH ENERGY EU BUYS EVERY DAY...THEY ARE FINANCING THIS WAR AGAINST THEM

[Cranky]

The biggest belly laugh is when Putins mafia chiefs argue that they are "innocent" and "discriminated against" when we take away their mansions and yachts. They argue that they are "innocent businessman" that just happened to become billionaires by their brilliance.

Yeah, sorry, you go to be billionaires by the amount you puckered to Putin and the kickbacks you gave him. Just like any run of the mill mafia don and his billionaire capos.

~~~~~~~~~~

The party’s over for Russia’s oligarchs. The ones facing sanctions are losing billions – and their megayachts

Today, their lives could not be more different. Many of them are under punishing sanctions imposed by the European Union, Britain, the United States and Canada. Even allegedly neutral Switzerland and tiny Monaco – both favoured destinations for their legal or illicit wealth – are playing the whack-an-oligarch game.

For them, the good times have been replaced with dread. The era of the oligarch – whose dominant characteristic is obscene wealth collected after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 – seems close to ending.

Their wealth is disappearing at what, to them, must be an alarming rate. An analysis by Forbes magazine suggested that 116 Russian billionaires have lost US$126-billion of wealth since Feb. 16, a week before the invasion, partly owing to the stunning collapse of the ruble. It fell 30 per cent against the U.S. dollar on Monday alone, when the Russian central bank doubled interests rates to 20 per cent in an attempt to stabilize the shell-shocked currency.

www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-the-partys-over-for-russias-oligarchs-the-sanctioned-ones-are-losing/

[jkr]

I was happy to read that Cranky. These douchebags have been looting the country why the average Russian barely gets by. Meanwhile they fly around in private jets or sail on super yachts. Then it's off to London to spend their days in a massive townhouse and shopping at Harrods. I wonder how many Chelsea FC fans ever gave serious thought to where Roman Abramowitz was getting all that money he spent on the team over the last 19 years.


I do wonder though how much this affects Putin though. Does anybody really have any influence over him?

[Cranky]

Mar 4, 2022 18:55:38 GMT -5 jkr said:

I was happy to read that Cranky. These douchebags have been looting the country why the average Russian barely gets by. Meanwhile they fly around in private jets or sail on super yachts. Then it's off to London to spend their days in a massive townhouse and shopping at Harrods. I wonder how many Chelsea FC fans ever gave serious thought to where Roman Abramowitz was getting all that money he spent on the team over the last 19 years.


I do wonder though how much this affects Putin though. Does anybody really have any influence over him?

The average Russian annual salary was $16,000 and now closer to $10,000. That's what the average oligarch loses in loose change behind his couch.

I get a bit triggered when these guys are called "businessman". They are straight up capo's from the biggest mafia Don on the planet. I can't think of any other fitting analogy but that. For them to whine about being "discriminated" is comedy central.

Strip them of everything. Take everything. Give it to the Ukrainians to rebuild their country. I'm sorry but I don't have that much sympathy for the Russian people because I firmly believe that NO tyrant can survive the masses. The "security" forces can't stop a million man march.....but I hardly see one or the intent of one from the Russian masses.

[Cranky]

Some rambling thoughts about this war....

I support the Ukrainians in every way possible...but...and this isn't a but but an observation.

Zelensky is facing impossible odds and he's a hero but he's also a bit too smart with the PR and pushing for things that he simply can't have.

One.....sorry, no-fly-zone means NATO killing Russians and WW3. Not going to happen.

Two...no, you can't have EU membership because that also includes Schengen*, which basically means that all of Ukraine will empty out and migrate unabated to the rest of the EU.

I may sound callous here but you can't defend the "homeland" from Paris and Munich. In fact, that would suit Putin just fine. Nor can Europe accommodate 45 million refugees.

I heard some say that this is Ukrainians fighting and dying a proxy war for the West. Nope. That argument would be valid if Ukraine was invading Russia but bullcrap when it's Ukraine defending itself. We are doing much, not everything we can, but a lot of what we can to flood them with weapons to protect themselves. The other part of the "proxy war" argument is that we should be fighting for Ukraine. Yeah, well, if it didn't lead to a very high probability of WW3, I would also buy a tiny part of that argument. But it will. And I wont.

We still can do more but it will certainly cost the European and the wests economy. The Achilles heal for Putin is pretty simple...oil and gas. The Europeans buy 700 million a day of Russian gas and oil so that is pretty much offset what it cost Putin to invade Ukraine. Are the Europeans ready to shed 35% of the energy they use? That breaks down to 45% of their gas and 25% of their oil. They can't get gas replacement so all the gas related industries will have to shut down until the rest of the gas producers like US/Canada can ramp up. Which is very unlikely given the "green" proselytizing current government in both countries. Plus, even at the very best, it would be at least 3-4 years before there are enough gas shipping terminals/infrastructure to get the gas across the sea.

Regardless of what we do to Putin on gas/oil, China says thank you and more please. So does India and a lot of non western economies. To be accurate here, yes, it will damage a HUGE percentage of current Russian exports since they are pipeline based and it will take them years to change that to their eastern shores.

Of course, a game changer would be if those pipelines leading east were to accidentally get destroyed....

I'm not sure were it's heading on the gas/oil front. Just too damaging to the Europeans for serious "ban" on it. Sure, some optics here and there, but Nord Stream 1 is not closing (unless someone blows it up). I do think that Ukraine will lose this war unless they buy into total war till the end. Then they will win it but at a huge cost to their entire country. That will also mean that we in the West have to get into some kind of "war footing" in terms of arms production and give the Ukrainians an endless supply of it. Like all modern wars, it's fought with what's on hand and the Americans have lots on hand. But so do the Russians. Not so much for the Europeans and pretty much nothing left from the Ukrainians.

And this parting thought.....Ukraine held 1/3 of the Russian nuclear arsenal and a huge portion of it's production. About 1,700 nukes. They destroyed them and joined the Non Proliferation treaty, partly because it wanted to join EU and the EU would not have a country it didn't fully trust with nukes. They were actually threatened with sanctions by NATO and Americans if they held on to them. They gave them up and signed the Budapest Memorandum*. In that memorandum RUSSIA, US and Britain gave Ukraine security assurances.

Anybody find it beyond stupid to trust Russia, the ultimate scorpion not to act like a scorpion? Does anyone think that Russia would be invading a country with 1700 nukes? We in the west may not be sleeping as comfortably for the last few decades but I'm pretty sure that Ukrainians today would be sleeping comfortably in their beds.

Just some thoughts....


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

[Cranky]

The reason you can't create a Ukrainian no-fly-zone....because you have to take out every single one of these which I'm pretty sure is in very large numbers. And of course manned and protected by Russian soldiers.

A few days ago....(tap to get the full image)



Plus the Russians also have their verrsion of Stingers which may be only a bit of a threat to F35, but way more to older generation planes like F16s and F18s and everything produced by the Europeans. Only US has a large enough number of F35 to be effective. Ukraine is a huge country that will need at least 200 planes of which at least 10-20 are constantly in the air. Fighter planes like F35 only have 30 minutes worth of loiter time. Imagine the amount of sorties needed 24/7. It would literally be the largest active air cover since WW2.

Then of course is the need to fly patrols close to Belaruss and Russian border to avoid any suprises. Then there is the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system and 400 km range. Can be positioned inside Rusdia/Belarus and cover a huge area. They need to be destroyed too.

What can possibly go wrong with that?

Finally, the garbage media take about fighter to fighter contact. It's not going to happen. The Russians are not that stupid to take on the F35 or face certain death from F22s. They will fill the skies with missiles.

Stingers. Lots of Stingers. Maybe even a few Patriot system with "contractors" running them.

[Cranky]

So now the US will replace the aging Migs from Poland and a few other former eastern block countries with F35s and F16s. Can we send them some our F18's? I'll take 30 F22 and 100 F35. Thanks.

The Russians are laughing their butts off. Notice the first concern was using NATO air fields. Why? Because the easiest thing in the world is to turn Ukrainian runways into concrete ruble. Two or three cruise missiles and you're spending days patching. Rinse. Repeat.

Of course those runways are going to need Patriot SAMs or Iron Domes to protect them from that. Which Ukrainians don't have.

Of course, Russians will bring in S300 and S400 SAM sites which will do a nice job turning their former planes into scrap aluminum.

Notice the repeated "off course". This is just how wars are fought, why integrated battlefields are mandatory and why you don't bring in sexy toys to a slug fest.

Too much tv on America and Israel flexing air power...which of course is the best in the world and total air control of the battlefield.

This is really a nice gesture and really sexy planes will show well on tv...looky there, we extra nice Westerners bought them to go to war! See how sexy they are when they take off! Yippeee....for the few days they will last. Then you wont hear about them in a week.

This is what a war fought by Western politicians and public opinion looks like.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Cranky]

When the other guy has more tanks and planes.....

Javelin...$100,000....APC $600k to 5 million for a tank.





Stinger....cost $175,000.....Russian plane/copter 7-80 million.

www.indiatoday.in/world/russia-ukraine-war/video/russian-helicopter-shot-ukrainian-stinger-missile-cam-1921196-2022-03-05





MORE PLEASE..

[jkr]

English soccer fans embarrassing themselves again. During a moment of silence for Ukraine, these a-holes Chelsea fans start chanting the name of their favorite oligarch. They eventually got drowned out.

www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/05/show-some-respect-tuchel-blasts-chelsea-fans-for-abramovich-chant

[Willie Dog]

www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2022/03/06/a-bigger-earthquake-than-swift-what-the-russia-paypal-visa-and-mastercard-ban-means-for-bitcoin-and-crypto-amid-extreme-price-swings/

[Cranky]

Thirst for righteousness and blod by the masses....in this case, hugely misplaced and dangerous when it wants a no-fly-zone.

Some 74% of Americans - including solid majorities of Republicans and Democrats - said the United States and its allies in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine, the poll found.

www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-americans-broadly-support-ukraine-no-fly-zone-russia-oil-ban-poll-2022-03-04/

Here is why I'm very concerned. Biden was sinking in popularity and at last count before the war was at 34% approval rating. After the war, he jumped at 45%. There was a huge doom over the democrats that the mid terms would be a slaughter in both houses. Now, they still are not out of the woods, but looks better.

BUT....the war is dragging on and those poll numbers for no fly zone are increasing. At some point, the masses will blame Biden for "allowing" those deaths. What my fear is that faced with what amounts to political nuclear winter for democrats if Biden heads back down to low 30%, will he bend to the will of the masses?

Right this minute, I'm 70% that he won't do it, but politics to politicians are more importent then "potential consequences". As the war wears on and images of dead babies angers the masses, I'm pretty sure the pendulum will swing into the abyss of political convenience.

Of course I love to see F-22s turn Migs into mush. Heck, I'd pay good money to sit on some Ex like stands and enjoy the show...but dark humor aside, I'm 100% sure that Putin will resort to the ultimate deterrent. The humiliation will be so thorough that we would give him no choice but to resort to his nuclear option.

So...still sleeping soundly...but the masses are starting to make too much noise. Worse, they are ignoring the obvious and the unacceptable.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Willie Dog]

Mar 8, 2022 15:52:45 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

Who are these guys and why does she think Zelenskyy is the president of Russia?

[Disgruntled70sHab]

[Cranky]

Some thoughts...while I still have a few functioning brain cells...

Macron has a guy following him around taking pictures after a phone call? Maybe he should compete with Trudeau in posing....

What I like to know who is advising the West on how to talk to a bully? "We are not going to do this or that" is NOT a deterrent. We got no red lines of "cause and effect", so they bomb a children's hospital and the West is whinging...but not prepared to do anything about it.

Talk is sooo f***** cheap....

How about.....

NATO....you do this, we are mobilizing this or that. Things like sending 200 F35 to Poland. A carrier group into the North Sea. SOMETHIING that is a direct threat. No one said we have to do a damn thing, but visually, raise the stakes instead of declaring erectile dysfunction.

I hear nothing but threats against his economy while cowering every time Putin threatens this or that. That's classical bully threat but you never back down from a bully. EVER. All you are doing is rewarding his threats and giving him space.

Right now, besides visually taking steps, I would warn Putin that I don't care about gas prices, ALL his economy will be destroyed. Despite the rhetoric, the ruble is holding it's value. So much for THAT threat. Or do the Western brain trust think that Putin doesn't see that and laugh his head off?

Remember, EU is buying $700,000,000 A DAY. Maybe that's down by a few extra tanks a day. To keep that in perspective, a Russian tank costs about 2 million so that's 350 tanks A DAY. The dirty secret is that it's costing Putin almost nothing every day, give or take to what is barely relevant Russian lives to Putin. The EU is basically finiancing his war, every day...while talking out of his other hole. Then there us the US, nice optics on oil, but still buying other resources like steel. Why? More talking from two holes.

The worse of all...and this is where the wests "no casualties to us" proxy war becomes real, if we are not prepared to destroy the Russian economy or skin in the game, don't lead on the Ukrainians until they are ruble. Get Ukraine to accept/agree to a cease fire that says he won't join NATO. Then join the EU and build up a REAL military threat with the latest and greatest while the west continues to dismantle the Russian economy. Eventually, a toothless Russian tiger is a comedy act...and Putin is a lamp post decoration.

Where is that long range smart leadership? Where is that strategic thinking. The big picture? Surely you are not expecting that from Biden, Trudeau, et all....

From what I see in realpolitic and results....Putin is winning.

[Cranky]

Does this look like the ruble is "getting destroyed"? Or the Rusdian economy is "on the brink of collapse"? Go to the five day average and let me know if that looks like "collapse" to you.

Bullcrap rhetoric means nothing....but it's great for crippling our gas prices...while doing nothing to stop this war.

www.google.com/search?q=ruble&oq=ruble&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.2906j0j8&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[Willie Dog]

Mar 9, 2022 16:10:39 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Does this look like the ruble is "getting destroyed"? Or the Rusdian economy is "on the brink of collapse"? Go to the five day average and let me know if that looks like "collapse" to you.

Bullcrap rhetoric means nothing....but it's great for crippling our gas prices...while doing nothing to stop this war.

www.google.com/search?q=ruble&oq=ruble&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.2906j0j8&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Its lost half its value vs CAD and USD.. if CAD lost 50%, we'd be up Saperlipopettets creek...

financialpost.com/news/economy/russia-set-for-a-venezuela-style-default-morgan-stanley-says

If this happens the creditors can go after frozen assets outside of Russia...

[Cranky]

Mar 9, 2022 16:32:03 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Mar 9, 2022 16:10:39 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Does this look like the ruble is "getting destroyed"? Or the Rusdian economy is "on the brink of collapse"? Go to the five day average and let me know if that looks like "collapse" to you.

Bullcrap rhetoric means nothing....but it's great for crippling our gas prices...while doing nothing to stop this war.

www.google.com/search?q=ruble&oq=ruble&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.2906j0j8&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Its lost half its value vs CAD and USD.. if CAD lost 50%, we'd be up Saperlipopettets creek...

financialpost.com/news/economy/russia-set-for-a-venezuela-style-default-morgan-stanley-says

If this happens the creditors can go after frozen assets outside of Russia...

1. Putin declared that all payments are to be made in rubles for entities of unfriendly countries. That makes Putin 1000 times smarter because those companies are going to exchange their return at half their values. AND will force the West to keep some kind of value to the ruble.

2. Oil and gas to Russia is paid in dollars or Euros through Russian banks. That is why they didn't shut down ALL the Russian banks from SWIFT.

3. Ruble is exchanging in the open market.

4. National frozen assets are almost impossible to go after. The Iranian assets where held by US for a long time, tons of lawsuits against them but eventually returned to Iran.

Please do NOT compare what Canadians call "suffering" to what the Russians are prepared to put up with or what Ukraine is actually suffering. So don't compare the Canadian dollar trading at half value to the Russian ruble. The Russian ruble was worth toilet paper in the Soviet Era and Russia motored on.

Articles like the one you posted are "western" articles that take nothing of what is real and what is hurtful to the Russian economy. Declaring "this is economically bad" by Finiancial Post is like saying that no new Disney movie releases or McDonald's burgers in Russia is an existential threat to their way of life.

The ruble is NOT collapsing. Is simply dropped in value and hardly an existential economic threat to Russia. Look at the graph I posted for clarification. Meanwhile...EU is still going to pay 260 BILLION dollars for Rusdian gas and oil....US is still buying steel/commodities from Russia...and China/India are doing business as usual.