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Feb 28, 2022 14:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 14:12:10 GMT -5
Trump was far too proud and self important to lose anything to Puta. Weapons flood to Ukraine guaranteed and not an inch but I'm just not sure he would go nuclear on their economy if it hurt the US economy.
The unpredictability though is off the charts. Defcon 1 would be on the table...and Putin would be the sane one. No, there wouldn't be a nuclear war but we all would age rapidly....
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Ukraine
Feb 28, 2022 14:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 14:26:08 GMT -5
Some people are thinking that Russia is not gonna stop with just the Ukraine. This is just a starting point, some practice for their troops, get rid of some of their old ammo, test new equipment and technology etc....How Safe is our North, what about some of the other former Soviet Countries? How safe is our north? Zero. Nada. There is absolutely nothing we can do other then gum flap. F22....first and formost....but I'll settle for F35 with lots of jdams and harpoons in inventory. There is also a nifty next gen long range anti ship missile and cruise missiles. We can build all of it here. But....NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. |
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Feb 28, 2022 15:46:32 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2022 15:46:32 GMT -5
Some people are thinking that Russia is not gonna stop with just the Ukraine. This is just a starting point, some practice for their troops, get rid of some of their old ammo, test new equipment and technology etc....How Safe is our North, what about some of the other former Soviet Countries? How safe is our north? Zero. Nada. There is absolutely nothing we can do other then gum flap. F22....first and formost....but I'll settle for F35 with lots of jdams and harpoons in inventory. There is also a nifty next gen long range anti ship missile and cruise missiles. We can build all of it here. But....NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... |
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Feb 28, 2022 15:48:27 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2022 15:48:27 GMT -5
... things are not going the way Putin had envisioned ... ... probably why he's activated his nuclear forces ... |
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Feb 28, 2022 15:53:05 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 15:53:05 GMT -5
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Feb 28, 2022 16:08:05 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2022 16:08:05 GMT -5
"Amateurs talk about strategy; professionals talk about logistics", - General Omar Bradley ... we can banter back and forth about planes, tanks, etc, but there's a reason why Belarusian gas trucks are following closely behind Russian armoured columns ... those tanks need that gas, which makes those gas trucks high priority targets ... an army can't function without beans, and bullets so, taking out its resupply should be a priority, as well ... cut the armies off from their resupply ... make the force unsustainable, and it will cease to function ... Putin has also shut down the website that would give Russian citizens updates on their soldiers ... he doesn't want the real numbers coming out, as they could fuel more anti-war protests, but that's only an opinion, fellas ...
Cheers.
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Feb 28, 2022 16:08:11 GMT -5
Post by seventeen on Feb 28, 2022 16:08:11 GMT -5
How safe is our north? Zero. Nada. There is absolutely nothing we can do other then gum flap. F22....first and formost....but I'll settle for F35 with lots of jdams and harpoons in inventory. There is also a nifty next gen long range anti ship missile and cruise missiles. We can build all of it here. But....NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... Hmm. Ukraine should take the Crimea back. That'd be quite the case example for Military schools. If Putin gets deposed, though, I wonder what might happen. Dreaming aloud. Good to see the EU at least, coming to Ukraine's aid so strongly. |
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Feb 28, 2022 16:11:52 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2022 16:11:52 GMT -5
The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... Hmm. Ukraine should take the Crimea back. That'd be quite the case example for Military schools. If Putin gets deposed, though, I wonder what might happen. Dreaming aloud. Good to see the EU at least, coming to Ukraine's aid so strongly. In addition to beefing up Her commitment to Latvia, Canada is also sending anti-tank weapons, and upgraded ammunition to Ukraine ... link ... Cheers. |
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Ukraine
Feb 28, 2022 16:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 16:12:29 GMT -5
How safe is our north? Zero. Nada. There is absolutely nothing we can do other then gum flap. F22....first and formost....but I'll settle for F35 with lots of jdams and harpoons in inventory. There is also a nifty next gen long range anti ship missile and cruise missiles. We can build all of it here. But....NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... Huh? Why? Fighter jets need years of training AND battlefield command and comtrol. Dis, you know this is optics nonsense. You just can't throw in jets against the Russians because they have a massive, massive advantage in air anti-aircraft missiles. Plus they are already trained in 4th and 5th generation...which will take Ukrainians years to master. The Ukrainians need portable air and armour missiles. Tons of them. NOW. Plane loads. THEN they need SAM sights. First....take away air and armour. Grind the Russians into a stop then we give them all the help to grind the Russian into body bags. Meanwhile we grind the Russian economy into the stone age. Is this just gum flopping optics or are the politicians running a war? I pray not... |
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Ukraine
Feb 28, 2022 16:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 16:25:39 GMT -5
"Amateurs talk about strategy; professionals talk about logistics", - General Omar Bradley ... we can banter back and forth about planes, tanks, etc, but there's a reason why Belarusian gas trucks are following closely behind Russian armoured columns ... those tanks need that gas, which makes those gas trucks high priority targets ... an army can't function without beans, and bullets so, taking out its resupply should be a priority, as well ... cut the armies off from their resupply ... make the force unsustainable, and it will cease to function ... Putin has also shut down the website that would give Russian citizens updates on their soldiers ... he doesn't want the real numbers coming out, as they could fuel more anti-war protests, but that's only an opinion, fellas ... Cheers. ABSOLUTELY!! C'mon Dis, you know that's not an opinion, its a damn fact. Puta needs the air and/or ground to re-supply. Stinger and Javelin that out of existence. Grind them to stop and the rest will come. Puta then has one and only option, mobilize everything he has, but then, it's a lot cheaper to make Javelins then tanks. All day long, 24/7. This would then spiral into a broken economy trying to fight a war of attrition against a really rich and technically superior enemy. He's not that crazy....or is he? Because this will pit him next to Hitler level crazy. But he's got nowhere near the military against a far more powerful west. I bet everything he's decorating a lamp post before we get that far. |
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Feb 28, 2022 16:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 16:28:46 GMT -5
Hmm. Ukraine should take the Crimea back. That'd be quite the case example for Military schools. If Putin gets deposed, though, I wonder what might happen. Dreaming aloud. Good to see the EU at least, coming to Ukraine's aid so strongly. In addition to beefing up Her commitment to Latvia, Canada is also sending anti-tank weapons, and upgraded ammunition to Ukraine ... link ... Cheers. Give everything we got. Everything. You and i will stand guard against any invading hostile geese.... |
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Feb 28, 2022 16:47:27 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 16:47:27 GMT -5
The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... Hmm. Ukraine should take the Crimea back. That'd be quite the case example for Military schools. If Putin gets deposed, though, I wonder what might happen. Dreaming aloud. Good to see the EU at least, coming to Ukraine's aid so strongly. Modern wars are fought with what's on hand. THAT is why it was crucial for the EU to spend that magical 2%.....which most didn't. Primarily Germany did a lot of gum flapping but since the Russian front moved to the Poland, Germany thought that others should pay for her protection. Say whatever you want about the former president, but his threats were all about putting the fear back into Germans safety. Poland is indeed the new front, but it's just bullcrap to pass that cost to a far, far weaker economy. The ones with the most ready armaments right now are Americans. They have no fronts and Amazon level warehouses of military hardware. All over the planet. And the infrustructure to deliver it all anywhere they want. Any time they want. Now is that time.... |
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Ukraine
Feb 28, 2022 20:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 20:24:40 GMT -5
Back at the early 2000s i had a military site. Was absolutely bonkers with nationalities launching cyber campaigns. Even attracted Chinses propaganda ministry and if anypne dared to say anything bad about China, "John", "Micheal" and a few others just happened to be on guard around the clock.
Anywho...we had people who served and some people who really knew their weapons/systems. Those guys could tell you far more then anyone could possibly need on any weapons.
My interest was geopolitics and that site original intent was to discuss that, but it's not an easily discussed, 2 paragraph subject. So it became a hardware and spitball site...
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Ukraine
Feb 28, 2022 20:36:18 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 20:36:18 GMT -5
About geopolitics...
As the world shifted, the odds of a hardware war also shifted. I expected an economic war long before a Kalashnikov war, but here we are. The interesting part is how far is the west prepared to go? Puta wont back down as long as his oil has a market so now, the west needs to bring that war message to China and India.
No. No need for bullets, just tarriffs. The west needs to impose a 10% war tax on imported goods from any excuser and fence sitter. That would instantly turn Russia into shoe-shine economy....but that wont happen because it will also hurt comsumers and poor little Apple..
The question then becomes very simple, very blunt, very clear. No new cell phones for a year or another cold war? My cell phone is 4 years old and runs great....
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Feb 28, 2022 21:26:23 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 28, 2022 21:26:23 GMT -5
Damn ruble is still not toilet paper ... the ruble must be rubble! Here you go ... Ukrainian currency is taking a major hit, as well ... |
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Feb 28, 2022 21:54:25 GMT -5
Post by Cranky on Feb 28, 2022 21:54:25 GMT -5
This is good but not a big deal. The US has a major naval basis in Crete and/or the Greeks navy can close the Aegean in minutes. The islands have anti-ship missile batteries and not even a row boat can get through. What will be HILARIOUS and maybe a completely new era is if Greeks and Turks work together against Russia. Turkey has a massive military and is well integrated, much like Greece. One can only pray that Russia hits a Turkish vessel and Greece comes to their aid. I'm praying..... ............... Turkey Says War Exists in Black Sea, Allowing It to Block Russian Navy Turkey’s foreign minister said Sunday that the situation in Ukraine had become a war, a legal distinction that paves the way for Ankara to potentially ban Russian warships from entering the Black Sea through a strategic chokepoint. Turkey’s government had said on Friday it was working to determine whether a state of war existed in the region. In wartime, Ankara can block some warships from countries involved in the conflict from accessing the Black Sea under the 1936 Montreux Convention. www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news-2022-02-26/card/uDQCa9dMZsNGZLQsfWYg |
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Feb 28, 2022 22:59:51 GMT -5
Post by PTH on Feb 28, 2022 22:59:51 GMT -5
The EU has committed fighter jets to Ukraine ... Under Attack, Ukraine To Get "Fighter Jets"
From European Union
"We're going to provide even fighting jets. We're not talking about just ammunition. We are providing
more important arms to go to a war," bloc's foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said.More ... Huh? Why? Fighter jets need years of training AND battlefield command and comtrol. Former Warsaw Pact countries will be giving Ukraine former Soviet planes - most likely Mig29s, Su25s, etc. Plans that Ukrainian pilots can fly and that ground crews know how to maintain. My plan would be to find any NATO pilot with Ukrainian dual-citizenship, set them up in some of the old F-16s being outfitted as drones, sold to Ukraine for 5$ apiece, and receiving radar information from AWAC-types already flying over Romania and the Black Sea. 4 AMRAAMs each time they go up and that Russian air force wouldn't amount to much in a few days. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2022 0:15:36 GMT -5
Huh? Why? Fighter jets need years of training AND battlefield command and comtrol. Former Warsaw Pact countries will be giving Ukraine former Soviet planes - most likely Mig29s, Su25s, etc. Plans that Ukrainian pilots can fly and that ground crews know how to maintain. My plan would be to find any NATO pilot with Ukrainian dual-citizenship, set them up in some of the old F-16s being outfitted as drones, sold to Ukraine for 5$ apiece, and receiving radar information from AWAC-types already flying over Romania and the Black Sea. 4 AMRAAMs each time they go up and that Russian air force wouldn't amount to much in a few days. A cut and paste ... the EU is sending aircraft the Ukrainian military is familiar with ... link ... Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has told the EU "they need the kind of fighting jets that the Ukrainian army is able to operate... some member states have these kinds of planes," Borrell said. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2022 2:14:13 GMT -5
Former Warsaw Pact countries will be giving Ukraine former Soviet planes - most likely Mig29s, Su25s, etc. Plans that Ukrainian pilots can fly and that ground crews know how to maintain. My plan would be to find any NATO pilot with Ukrainian dual-citizenship, set them up in some of the old F-16s being outfitted as drones, sold to Ukraine for 5$ apiece, and receiving radar information from AWAC-types already flying over Romania and the Black Sea. 4 AMRAAMs each time they go up and that Russian air force wouldn't amount to much in a few days. A cut and paste ... the EU is sending aircraft the Ukrainian military is familiar with ... link ... Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba has told the EU "they need the kind of fighting jets that the Ukrainian army is able to operate... some member states have these kinds of planes," Borrell said. Fighter jets need infrastructure. Plus command and control. Plus Russians have really good AA systems that will pea shoot the Ukraine Migs. Not a very productive strategy but whatever.... Right now Ukraine is fighting a classic defensive war against armour and planes. Both need to be ground to dust. If anything "advanced" it should be SAM'S to make all the air space lethal. In fact, at some point, the US or Europeans need to launch cruise missiles and destroy those airports. Since they belong to Ukraine, it's their right to ask for their destruction. You got to stretch and starve them out of feul, munitions and personal, Grind them to a halt and use superior numbers to out blood them. 150,000 can do a lot of damage but it can NOT hold the country of 20 million armed men. With the West's endlesss supply of weapons from a huge "next door" border, Russian Afghanistan experience will be felt 100 times faster and 100 times deadlier. From what I see in the Russian pincers movement, Russia intents to split Ukraine into 2 and demand "peace". That must not be allowed to happen at any cost. That is just a half step when they will stock up and then finish the job. We better not be that stupid....because Putin is not that smart and beyond Captain Obvious. |
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Mar 1, 2022 8:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 1, 2022 8:27:39 GMT -5
Things do not look good and the American politicians are obfuscating... jeebus
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Mar 1, 2022 9:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 1, 2022 9:41:42 GMT -5
Hit the oligarchs hard and regardless of the outcome with respect to ukraine, keep the measures up, when their pocket books get lightened is when they will pull on the leash.
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Mar 1, 2022 10:11:42 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2022 10:11:42 GMT -5
I'm confused ... I'll leave it at that ...
Sigh ...
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Mar 1, 2022 10:23:56 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2022 10:23:56 GMT -5
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Mar 1, 2022 10:28:29 GMT -5
Post by Polarice on Mar 1, 2022 10:28:29 GMT -5
Sounds like Kyiv is about to fall any time now...what happens then? Is it all but over? What's the end game?
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Mar 1, 2022 11:12:30 GMT -5
Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2022 11:12:30 GMT -5
CNN reporting that Russia is now talking about air strikes on Kyiv.
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Mar 1, 2022 11:38:13 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2022 11:38:13 GMT -5
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Mar 1, 2022 12:19:37 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2022 12:19:37 GMT -5
Ukraine can NOT win. They will face destruction and death so they at some point have to surrender.
We owe nothing less to these people who are sacrificing now the destruction of the Russian economy and force them to make Putin a lamp post decoration.
Anything less and we in the West deserve to perish worthlessly into history.
My father, my father-in-law, my uncles who perished in WW2, my forefathers who freed Greece, my heritage born as Spartan, they are watching.
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Mar 1, 2022 12:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by Cranky on Mar 1, 2022 12:45:36 GMT -5
That's fantastic news...but too late to make a difference right now. War bleeds economies and Putin has a very weak one that we need to destroy. Putin can not keep Ukraine if we give Ukrainians an endless supply of death tools. But how much and how long will the Ukrainians sacrifice themselves? How long before the "brave" West gets bored and decides it's no longer a TV event? How long before the price of cell phones becomes too much? How long before we move on? We CAN NOT, we MUST NOT. |
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Mar 1, 2022 20:34:56 GMT -5
Post by jkr on Mar 1, 2022 20:34:56 GMT -5
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Mar 1, 2022 21:09:15 GMT -5
Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 1, 2022 21:09:15 GMT -5
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