Ukraine

[Cranky]

From 1978 when I bought my first new VW Rabbit diesel and then a steady stream of new Benzes when I had my company, till now, I have not bought anything but German cars.

I swear right now and forever....if Germany does not back down from stonewalling kicking Russia out of SWIFT, I will NEVER buy another German car.

Considering I spent upper 6 figure$, that's my personal version of cancel culture....with lots of $$$ attached....

[Cranky]

Feb 26, 2022 13:10:58 GMT -5 folatre said:

I will preface this by saying that I know little or nothing about military affairs, but something about Putin's strategy seems faulty and myopic. How can a country the size or France or Germany with a hostile anti-Russian population of 40+ million be pacified and occupied by fewer than 200,000 troops? And this does not even take into consideration that Ukraine is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world with paramilitaries and ordinary households being in possession of millions of automatic assault rifles. Plus, it is hard to pin down an enemy with 1000+ stingers and javelins. I would be crapping my pants if I was some poor Russian sap driving a tank or piloting a helicopter.

While I was sitting around the rink this morning watching some news, I think I heard a US senator who is on the Intelligence Committee say that certain signs (based video/audio analysis type stuff, etc.) point to Putin's mental faculties being altered and diminished.

Unless they have anti-tank weapons, they are cannon fodder. Plus you have a tiny but significant population of Puta lovers.

We need to flood the country with run of the mill rocket launchers, anti-tank and Stingers. Take away air space and tanks, it becomes a blood bath for Russians. They will need every connscript in Russia to keep Ukraine....and you can bet that will go sideways.

I will kiss Bidens ass in broad daylight if he sends tens of thousands of the above. Actually, Europe also have lots of them including...Germany.

[Cranky]

Feb 26, 2022 9:11:15 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Ronald Reagan must be rolling in his grave... Time for Biden to man up... They should send a carrier strike group to the north Atlantic but the closest one is in the Mediterranean... the rest are in the pacific... The US needs to set up a no fly zone over Ukraine or provide advanced weapons to ukraine... one or the other

IT
WILL
NOT
HAPPEN

That strategy will bring US in direct conflict with Russians and unless Russia was already bloodied or Puta was in a body bag, Americans won't risk New York for Ukraine.

In fact, the biggest joke of all time, a knee slapper of epic proportions including by all Canadian governments past and present....protection by the US nuclear umbrella. It's what mouth gurglers tell themselves is real.

We need to remember that about OUR north....

[HABsurd]

Feb 26, 2022 14:55:08 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Feb 26, 2022 13:10:58 GMT -5 folatre said:

I will preface this by saying that I know little or nothing about military affairs, but something about Putin's strategy seems faulty and myopic. How can a country the size or France or Germany with a hostile anti-Russian population of 40+ million be pacified and occupied by fewer than 200,000 troops? And this does not even take into consideration that Ukraine is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world with paramilitaries and ordinary households being in possession of millions of automatic assault rifles. Plus, it is hard to pin down an enemy with 1000+ stingers and javelins. I would be crapping my pants if I was some poor Russian sap driving a tank or piloting a helicopter.

While I was sitting around the rink this morning watching some news, I think I heard a US senator who is on the Intelligence Committee say that certain signs (based video/audio analysis type stuff, etc.) point to Putin's mental faculties being altered and diminished.

Unless they have anti-tank weapons, they are cannon fodder. Plus you have a tiny but significant population of Puta lovers.

We need to flood the country with run of the mill rocket launchers, anti-tank and Stingers. Take away air space and tanks, it becomes a blood bath for Russians. They will need every connscript in Russia to keep Ukraine....and you can bet that will go sideways.

I will kiss Bidens ass in broad daylight if he sends tens of thousands of the above. Actually, Europe also have lots of them including...Germany.

In a major reversal of policy not to send arms to active conflict zones, it was just announced that the
German military will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" class surface-to-air missiles immediately to Ukraine. Also it will unblock sales of German arms from Netherlands and Estonia.

[Cranky]

Feb 26, 2022 15:08:13 GMT -5 HABsurd said:

Feb 26, 2022 14:55:08 GMT -5 Cranky said:

Unless they have anti-tank weapons, they are cannon fodder. Plus you have a tiny but significant population of Puta lovers.

We need to flood the country with run of the mill rocket launchers, anti-tank and Stingers. Take away air space and tanks, it becomes a blood bath for Russians. They will need every connscript in Russia to keep Ukraine....and you can bet that will go sideways.

I will kiss Bidens ass in broad daylight if he sends tens of thousands of the above. Actually, Europe also have lots of them including...Germany.

In a major reversal of policy not to send arms to active conflict zones, it was just announced that the
German military will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" class surface-to-air missiles immediately to Ukraine. Also it will unblock sales of German arms from Netherlands and Estonia.

GREAT NEWS!

Take away tanks and air..it becomes a WW1 style bloodbath for Russians....and Putin.

[Cranky]

BTW..why I'm stuck on SWIFT and banks. So far, the Russian masses have not felt the war. The propaganda machine has covered the truth. But, the truth is self evident when anyone walking into a Russian bank can't get anything but garbage paper...aka rubles.

The ONLY way to stop this scenario is for Puta to shut down banking..which will sent their population into a crisis.

I know first hand from Greece that when there was a bank shut down, even a known temporary one, it sent immense shock wave through the population. It had everybody on edge. Puta does not want that at any cost.

THAT is why I'm praying for it...

[jkr]

I'm not sure how much effect this diplomatic action has but Greece has summoned the Russian ambassador after Greek nationals were killed.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/greece-says-six-expats-killed-ukraine-summons-russian-ambassador-2022-02-26/

[jkr]

Feb 26, 2022 15:55:35 GMT -5 Cranky said:

BTW..why I'm stuck on SWIFT and banks. So far, the Russian masses have not felt the war. The propaganda machine has covered the truth. But, the truth is self evident when anyone walking into a Russian bank can't get anything but garbage paper...aka rubles.

The ONLY way to stop this scenario is for Puta to shut down banking..which will sent their population into a crisis.

I know first hand from Greece that when there was a bank shut down, even a known temporary one, it sent immense shock wave through the population. It had everybody on edge. Puta does not want that at any cost.

THAT is why I'm praying for it...

More countries now supporting booting Russia from SWIFT:

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/swift-eu-leaders-line-up-to-back-banning-russia-from-banking-network

[Disgruntled70sHab]

... some historical data ...

[Cranky]

Feb 26, 2022 16:04:48 GMT -5 jkr said:

I'm not sure how much effect this diplomatic action has but Greece has summoned the Russian ambassador after Greek nationals were killed.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/greece-says-six-expats-killed-ukraine-summons-russian-ambassador-2022-02-26/

I'm praying for the Greek air force to play tag with Russia. Don't put your money on Migs.

Greeks are expecting military incursion from the ten times larger Turkish Erdogan a'hole so they are war ready with 125,000 at arms, 300-400,000 in 72 hours. The first and strongest arm is the air force. They have extremely well trained F16 and now Mirages. France is a great Allie and....very quietly, have multiple massive US Naval basis. Including access to endless supply of compatible US missiles for those planes. They are scheduled to get...F35. Israel and Egypt are also very tight Allies.

Russia can be shut down from Mediterranean access just from the Greek coast guard, never mind navy. Greek Air power can cover the Black Sea with ease....if Bulgaria/Turkey is a willing Allie. The Black Sea is a 8 minute, 80 mile flight for a war plane and well within the F16/Mirage fight envelop. Ukraine southern tip is 300 miles away, too far for a fight envelop but Romania is a NATO Allie. Greek jets can be there and on the Ukrainian border in 25 minutes. Note difference between fight and flight.

Greece is not Israel level of war ready, they are not Canada. If we were that war ready, we would be a top 10 world military. We can't even cover our North with what is quickly becoming aged-out F18. We NEED F35, actually, unbeaten air superiority of F22s, but that's just dreaming.

[Tankdriver]

What happens when and if Putin does takeover Ukraine? Will anyone get involved? Are you surprised that not one country has put any boots on the ground to help?

[folatre]

Around the metro area and in my son's ice hockey association, there are quite a number of Ukrainians. Apparently, they say that Biden sent around 900 javelins in January. And now with the Americans sending many more (along with Stingers) and the Germans/Dutch duplicating this effort, the Russians could be in pretty tough if this thing drags out as it likely will.

The Ukrainians probably need NATO boots on the ground to ensure Kyiv does not fall, but with the arms coming in there is no way Russia will successfully occupy the country, in particular Western Ukraine will be a hornets nest that will be impossible and also feed the insurgencies in other parts of the country.

[Cranky]

Feb 26, 2022 22:27:26 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

What happens when and if Putin does takeover Ukraine? Will anyone get involved? Are you surprised that not one country has put any boots on the ground to help?

Who do you expect to be able to do that?

Poland is the closest country that has the ability to do damage but that would be to fight Russia to a standstill. They lack enough air power...and without air power, ground troops are fodder.

You want to take Russia out without nukes? Good luck. Unlesss Americans come in to spearhead, there are just too many countries, too many cats in NATO to launch an offensive. It's going to be piecemeal and problematic because the disparities in ability and equipment.

Take Greece for example (which I know). They have probably the 3rd best EU airforce, heavy mechanized divisions (350 Leapord 2, 500 Leapord 1 and 1400 battle tanks overall), full complement of artillery, air defenses and about 400-450,000 personal fully equipped, well trained and ready to fight on a few days notice. But....how do you get them on a war front in Ukraine? There are two countries between them and UKraine. Then the question is....why on earth would Greece do that? Russia presents zero threat to them UNLESS the take Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria, at which point, Greece would slaughter them in the mountains because that's exactly what they are ready for with Turkey.

Unless there is all out conventional war with Nato, which Russia will never get into because they would be slaughtered, there isn't a strong enough immediate neighbor to threaten Russia. It has to be a combined Nato incursion and without the US spearheading, the EU part of Nato will do a lot of ass scratching and aversion talk before committing blood,

[Cranky]

There is something terribly wrong with this picture. It's the equivalent of abuse in the energy industry...

[Willie Dog]

Feb 27, 2022 6:40:13 GMT -5 Cranky said:

There is something terribly wrong with this picture. It's the equivalent of abuse in the energy industry...

Because we send our oil to the states and import oil... the definition of stupidity... we have plenty of refineries though...

www.oilsandsmagazine.com/projects/canadian-refineries#canadian-refineries

[Cranky]

Feb 27, 2022 10:35:58 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Feb 27, 2022 6:40:13 GMT -5 Cranky said:

There is something terribly wrong with this picture. It's the equivalent of abuse in the energy industry...

Because we send our oil to the states and import oil... the definition of stupidity... we have plenty of refineries though...

www.oilsandsmagazine.com/projects/canadian-refineries#canadian-refineries

This is ALL about Quebec playing the "moi green" game. No problem using natural gas from Alberta or oil from Saudi Arabia but oil sands oil is "dirty". And the next thing they sell is that refineries can't handle heavy oil. Which is pure nonsense because the extra refining is child play for the industry.

Meanwhile they are also keeping East coast refineries from going all in. We get some to them through choo-choo trains. Or get this....put Alberta oil in a tanker in BC, travel 12,000 kilometers to reach our east coast refinery.

All that to appease Quebec.

[Cranky]

Just as predicted....SWIFT has sent schockwaves through the Russian economy.

But...its not a full SWIFT lockout. They purposely left some Russian banks off it so the EU can still talk from both sides of their mouth. They really, really care about Ukrainian people..but well, you know, not enough to hurt big corporations or oil industry. Just enough to shut down those evil Western masses demanding SWIFT justice.

THIS is our world....

[Disgruntled70sHab]

Feb 26, 2022 22:27:26 GMT -5 Tankdriver said:

What happens when and if Putin does takeover Ukraine? Will anyone get involved? Are you surprised that not one country has put any boots on the ground to help?

Canada boosted their commitment in Latvia ... see Operation REASSURANCE ... if Putin gets away with conquering Ukraine, unopposed, then that would make Georgia (2008), Crimea (2014), and now, Ukraine (2022) ... the rest of the former Soviet satellite countries should take note ...

Cheers.

[Disgruntled70sHab]

'I need ammunition, not a ride':
Zelenskyy turns down U.S.
evacuation offer

The defiant Ukranian president has posted videos from the
street to encourage citizens to keep fighting

Author of the article:National Post Staff
Publishing date:Feb 26, 2022 • 1 day ago

A defiant President Volodymyr Zelenskyy refused a U.S. evacuation offer and said he would remain in Kyiv, Ukraine’s embassy in Britain tweeted.

“‘The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,'” Zelenskyy told the U.S., says the tweet. “Ukrainians are proud of their President,” it continues.

Zelenskyy has posted videos from the streets of Kyiv to encourage citizens to keep fighting as Russian forces seek to gain control of the Ukranian capital.

“We have withstood and are successfully repelling enemy attacks. The fighting goes on,” he said in a video posted to social media.

In a video captioned ‘do not believe the fakes,’ Zelinkskyy spoke from the streets of Kyiv and shared his intention to stand ground.

“I am here. We are not putting down arms. We will be defending our country, because our weapon is truth, and our truth is that this is our land, our country, our children, and we will defend all of this,” he said in a video Saturday morning.

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[Disgruntled70sHab]

The Ukrainian government is providing a service where Russians can learn of the fate of their sons ... the website, 200rf.com posts the fate of the Russian soldiers they know about ... deaths, or names of POWs, can be found on the site ... providing your enemy with a service such as this is impressive, but it has military value, as well ... it could play a part in keeping the anti-war protests alive in Russia, as more Russian families find out that they've lost their sons ...

Cheers.

[Cranky]

Feb 27, 2022 23:14:11 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

The Ukrainian government is providing a service where Russians can learn of the fate of their sons ... the website, 200rf.com posts the fate of the Russian soldiers they know about ... deaths, or names of POWs, can be found on the site ... providing your enemy with a service such as this is impressive, but it has military value, as well ... it could play a part in keeping the anti-war protests alive in Russia, as more Russian families find out that they've lost their sons ...

Cheers.

That's pretty smart. It brings the war back to the Russian people and destabilizes Putin. This and breaking his economy will bring him down to earth.

The garbage media is tripping over themselves with fear mongering that Putin is ready to push the nuke button and we should fear him. NONSENSE. Putin is very smart and will use all his tools to get his way. If we give in to him now, it's like a untrained chihuahua learning that everyone fears it's bark and there is no reason not to use it and escalate it.

Bring the war to his people.....break his economy...list his body bags. Make him fight his own people......and we won't need to fight him.

[Willie Dog]

More examples of pushback

Telling russians off

The WithUkraine Instagram shows video from inside Ukraine

[Willie Dog]

Feb 27, 2022 20:45:54 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

'I need ammunition, not a ride':
Zelenskyy turns down U.S.
evacuation offer

The defiant Ukranian president has posted videos from the
street to encourage citizens to keep fighting

Author of the article:National Post Staff
Publishing date:Feb 26, 2022 • 1 day ago

A defiant President Volodymyr Zelenskyy refused a U.S. evacuation offer and said he would remain in Kyiv, Ukraine’s embassy in Britain tweeted.

“‘The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,'” Zelenskyy told the U.S., says the tweet. “Ukrainians are proud of their President,” it continues.

Zelenskyy has posted videos from the streets of Kyiv to encourage citizens to keep fighting as Russian forces seek to gain control of the Ukranian capital.

“We have withstood and are successfully repelling enemy attacks. The fighting goes on,” he said in a video posted to social media.

In a video captioned ‘do not believe the fakes,’ Zelinkskyy spoke from the streets of Kyiv and shared his intention to stand ground.

“I am here. We are not putting down arms. We will be defending our country, because our weapon is truth, and our truth is that this is our land, our country, our children, and we will defend all of this,” he said in a video Saturday morning.

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Biden is such a pusscake...

[Cranky]

This is what I was hoping for, this what I'm dreaming about. BREAK HIS EFFEN ECONOMY.

We need to force him to close his banks and THAT will create a living hell for him. It will cause hyper inflation and that WILL cause riots. He can send out he army, he can shoot at his people, but he will not be able to stop it.

So what if we lose 10% of his oil, I'll take the economic pain for a month, but in return, his economy is crippled, a madman is gone. He's going to be a hunted man within his country and we won't have to lift a finger to see him hang from a lamp post.

SWING BABY SWING!

Enjoy...

www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-28/russian-central-bank-prop-up-ruble-ukraine-invasion

www.bbc.com/news/business-60550992

www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/business/russia-ruble-banks-sanctions/index.html

This is the EXACT same thing I saw in Greece. People were in absolute fear that their savings were gone and everyone was on khifes edge. I had 5,000 Euros there (daily living expenses for my father) and to me that would of been nothing more then annoying, to locals, their entire life savings could be gone. Think about what you would do if one of our politicians did this and our dollar was worth 10 cents of it's current value? Bring rope...

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[jkr]

Feb 28, 2022 7:54:51 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Feb 27, 2022 20:45:54 GMT -5 Disgruntled70sHab said:

'I need ammunition, not a ride':
Zelenskyy turns down U.S.
evacuation offer

The defiant Ukranian president has posted videos from the
street to encourage citizens to keep fighting

Author of the article:National Post Staff
Publishing date:Feb 26, 2022 • 1 day ago

A defiant President Volodymyr Zelenskyy refused a U.S. evacuation offer and said he would remain in Kyiv, Ukraine’s embassy in Britain tweeted.

“‘The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,'” Zelenskyy told the U.S., says the tweet. “Ukrainians are proud of their President,” it continues.

Zelenskyy has posted videos from the streets of Kyiv to encourage citizens to keep fighting as Russian forces seek to gain control of the Ukranian capital.

“We have withstood and are successfully repelling enemy attacks. The fighting goes on,” he said in a video posted to social media.

In a video captioned ‘do not believe the fakes,’ Zelinkskyy spoke from the streets of Kyiv and shared his intention to stand ground.

“I am here. We are not putting down arms. We will be defending our country, because our weapon is truth, and our truth is that this is our land, our country, our children, and we will defend all of this,” he said in a video Saturday morning.

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Biden is such a pusscake...

Biden? His predecessor is still praising Putin calling him savvy and his moves "genius".

[Polarice]

Some people are thinking that Russia is not gonna stop with just the Ukraine. This is just a starting point, some practice for their troops, get rid of some of their old ammo, test new equipment and technology etc....How Safe is our North, what about some of the other former Soviet Countries?

[Polarice]

Feb 28, 2022 8:56:20 GMT -5 jkr said:

Feb 28, 2022 7:54:51 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Biden is such a pusscake...

Biden? His predecessor is still praising Putin calling him savvy and his moves "genius".

Do you actually think this would have happened in Trump was still President? Because if you do, your way off.

[jkr]

Feb 28, 2022 9:06:26 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Feb 28, 2022 8:56:20 GMT -5 jkr said:

Biden? His predecessor is still praising Putin calling him savvy and his moves "genius".

Do you actually think this would have happened in Trump was still President? Because if you do, your way off.

I don't want to turn this thread into a Biden - Trump thing. I was pointing out how factions in the U.S. are still supporting Putin.

But I would like to hear the reasoning for how a Trump presidency would have prevented this invasion.

[Polarice]

Feb 28, 2022 9:37:27 GMT -5 jkr said:

Feb 28, 2022 9:06:26 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Do you actually think this would have happened in Trump was still President? Because if you do, your way off.

I don't want to turn this thread into a Biden - Trump thing. I was pointing out how factions in the U.S. are still supporting Putin.

But I would like to hear the reasoning for how a Trump presidency would have prevented this invasion.

Don't get me wrong...I'm no Trump supporter. With that said, I think he is the same crazy as Putin, and Putin knows it. So why take the chance of getting the USA physically involved. With Biden he knows he has nothing to worry about.

[Willie Dog]

Feb 28, 2022 9:58:05 GMT -5 Polarice said:

Feb 28, 2022 9:37:27 GMT -5 jkr said:

I don't want to turn this thread into a Biden - Trump thing. I was pointing out how factions in the U.S. are still supporting Putin.

But I would like to hear the reasoning for how a Trump presidency would have prevented this invasion.

Don't get me wrong...I'm no Trump supporter. With that said, I think he is the same crazy as Putin, and Putin knows it. So why take the chance of getting the USA physically involved. With Biden he knows he has nothing to worry about.

The bromance between Drumpf and Putin was almost as bad as Lukashenko/Kadyrov/ Putin threesome