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Post by habsorbed on May 11, 2022 0:39:56 GMT -5
Now it seems obvious, for me at least, which name Hughes will call when he steps up to the podium on July 7. But is it a lock? I would say so. Top two centres finally. Given we have a pretty good stable of dmen coming up, it's up front we need to improve and 'strength down centre' is what champions are made of. And everything I read about Wright is he has an extraordinary IQ for hockey. And Suze ain't no dummy. Skill and IQ will go along way. Come to think of it, the last two centres we drafted in top 3 picks (KK and Chucky) were not bad in their skill set but IQ was lacking considerably. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 6:16:43 GMT -5
Lots of people are saying it was devine intervention from Guy Lafleur. Lafleur wore number 10, which happens to be May 10. He was born in 1951, which 51 is Shane Wright's number. Also ironically Guy was drafted 51 years ago and you guessed it as a no. 1 overall pick. So God decided to take one of our first overalls and, we get one back. Stuff like that. Other stuff includes: Guy got his most famous goal against the Bruins on May 10. And when guy was drafted first overall, the draft was in Mtl. I heard that Every time the draft has been in Montreal we had the 1st overall |
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Post by BadCompany on May 11, 2022 6:56:20 GMT -5
Take Wright.
And then send him back to junior.
First season in the OHL:
Regular season:
McDavid: 63 GP, 25 goals, 41 assists, 66 points, 1.05 pts/gm
Wright: 58 GP, 39 goals, 27 assists, 66 pts, 1.14 pts/gm
Playoffs:
McDavid: *team missed
Wright: *covid
Second season in the OHL:
Regular season:
McDavid: 56 GP, 28 goals, 71 assists, 99 points, 1.77 pts/gm
Wright: 63 GP, 32 goals, 62 assists, 94 pts, 1.49 pts/gm
Playoffs:
McDavid: 14 GP, 4 goals, 15 assists, 19 points, 1.36 pts/gm
Wright: 9 GP, 2 goals, 10 assists, 12 pts, 1.33 pts/gm *so far
Third OHL season:
Regular season:
McDavid: 47 GP, 44 goals, 76 assists, 120 points, 2.55 pts/gm
Wright: ?
Playoffs:
McDavid: 20 GP, 21 goals, 28 assists, 49 points, 2.45 pts/gm
Wright: ?
Of course Wright’s 2nd season in the OHL came when he was one year older than McDavid. But it also came after not playing hockey for over a full season. So, which has the heavier weight? Age, or development curve?
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 7:27:15 GMT -5
Take Wright. And then send him back to junior. yes, we need to Play Dedd for Bedd |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 11, 2022 7:42:57 GMT -5
Other stuff includes: Guy got his most famous goal against the Bruins on May 10. And when guy was drafted first overall, the draft was in Mtl. I heard that Every time the draft has been in Montreal we had the 1st overall Not every year. I remember Louis Leblanc being the first pick around 17th? and the draft was in Montreal. I was leaning towards Kreider myself at the time but understood the reasoning why. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on May 11, 2022 8:44:33 GMT -5
Take Wright. And then send him back to junior. yes, we need to Play Dedd for Bedd LOL. You hope the worst case is he's one of those "high floor, low ceiling" guys. Or maybe BC is right and he just needs another year. His PPG totals after his first 2 junior years are quite close to where McDavid was at the same time, so maybe he's poised to bust out a bit more next year. I don't know how you take anyone else with the pick. We could very likely be a bottom 5 team next year, especially if Petry gets moved and Price is still out of the picture. At a minimum it's fun to have the #1 pick. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 11, 2022 9:00:03 GMT -5
Hughes does talk about character and leadership a lot. Team Canada did hand out the C to Wright at last April’s U18 (as an underage player) and Kingston gave him the C in his draft year as a 17 year old. He also has high end hockey IQ, which is very NHL projectable. So despite not being the glamorous generational talent that so many “hope for and dream of” with a first overall pick, he would be a huge add to an already expanding young core for the future. Wright-Suzuki is a lot of hockey smarts for a top six centre pair. And picking #1 gives long suffering Habs fans (especially this season) something to smile about and hopefully drown out the media/fan love fest the Leafs are getting for a third period comeback.  |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 11, 2022 9:10:14 GMT -5
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Post by BadCompany on May 11, 2022 9:39:07 GMT -5
Hughes does talk about character and leadership a lot. Team Canada did hand out the C to Wright at last April’s U18 (as an underage player) and Kingston gave him the C in his draft year as a 17 year old. He also has high end hockey IQ, which is very NHL projectable. So despite not being the glamorous generational talent that so many “hope for and dream of” with a first overall pick, he would be a huge add to an already expanding young core for the future. Wright-Suzuki is a lot of hockey smarts for a top six centre pair. And picking #1 gives long suffering Habs fans (especially this season) something to smile about and hopefully drown out the media/fan love fest the Leafs are getting for a third period comeback. I can only imagine the fury that would have erupted if Marc Bergevin, when asked about the most important characteristic he was looking for in a player, had of said “character”… ESPECIALLY in the context of being asked about the 1st overall pick… whoo boy! |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 9:47:08 GMT -5
Hughes does talk about character and leadership a lot. Team Canada did hand out the C to Wright at last April’s U18 (as an underage player) and Kingston gave him the C in his draft year as a 17 year old. He also has high end hockey IQ, which is very NHL projectable. So despite not being the glamorous generational talent that so many “hope for and dream of” with a first overall pick, he would be a huge add to an already expanding young core for the future. Wright-Suzuki is a lot of hockey smarts for a top six centre pair. And picking #1 gives long suffering Habs fans (especially this season) something to smile about and hopefully drown out the media/fan love fest the Leafs are getting for a third period comeback. I can only imagine the fury that would have erupted if Marc Bergevin, when asked about the most important characteristic he was looking for in a player, had of said “character”… ESPECIALLY in the context of being asked about the 1st overall pick… whoo boy! But Hughes and company have not been 2 faced hypocrites when it comes to character like Burgerbrain and his 10 year list of incompetent cohorts... if Hughes & Co. pull a Berg, they will get the vitriol Berg has enjoyed |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 11, 2022 11:19:43 GMT -5
To me, this is just step one in the rebuild. The must tank again for a high pick next year as well. You line up two good years, you become the Pens and Hawks ala Toews/Kane, Crosby/Malkin, Oilers McDavid/Draisl, Matthews/Marner with the Leafs.
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 12:25:00 GMT -5
To me, this is just step one in the rebuild. The must tank again for a high pick next year as well. You line up two good years, you become the Pens and Hawks ala Toews/Kane, Crosby/Malkin, Oilers McDavid/Draisl, Matthews/Marner with the Leafs. ^^^^ This You can get a 5 year rebuild with 2 years of tanking |
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2022 12:44:08 GMT -5
I can only imagine the fury that would have erupted if Marc Bergevin, when asked about the most important characteristic he was looking for in a player, had of said “character”… ESPECIALLY in the context of being asked about the 1st overall pick… whoo boy! But Hughes and company have not been 2 faced hypocrites when it comes to character like Burgerbrain and his 10 year list of incompetent cohorts... if Hughes & Co. pull a Berg, they will get the vitriol Berg has enjoyed Character is one of the ingredients Hughes talks about a lot, but hockey IQ is right up there with character, along with getting bigger and faster. Whereas Berg seemed to have character on a separate pedestal all it's own, Hughes has it as one of his pillars. At least that's how I've interpreted his comments. |
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2022 12:53:05 GMT -5
I keep coming back to the qualities almost every Cup Champ has. At least one elite centre (or an excellent centre who plays at an elite level for 20 games) and preferably a strong second centre: A stud Dman who can play 30 minutes if necessary: A scorer: Adequate goaltending.
We have Suzuki, who is progressing toward that definition of an elite centre. We can draft Wright who should fill the description of that second centre and perhaps even a 1B to Suze's 1A. (or vice versa). Caufield is the scorer. Goaltending is uncertain, but there are 4 kids in the prospect pool all excelling at their level. (Primeau helped win the most recent playoff game for Laval). That leaves the stud dman, often the most difficult to find. While Romanov, Guhle, Struble, Barron etc all have potential, I'm doubtful that any one of them can fill those elite dman skates. If one does, we can start celebrating, but one more year of suffering can give us a pick where we might not get a stud dman, but if we get the quality of forward that there is in 2023, the trade possibilities are there.
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Post by Tankdriver on May 11, 2022 13:19:12 GMT -5
Agree. If you get a Bedard or a Michkov, next year, you are set up front.
I think we can get by with the D we have coming up and we have some draft picks to play with, if not.
This was the issue with Berg. Always focusing on making the playoffs each year, never trying to build and sustain something over multiple years.
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Post by Cranky on May 11, 2022 13:32:53 GMT -5
I would listen to offers for trading down. Or even straight up exchange.
Of course it doesn't have the presttige of 1st overall, but Asset Management 101 demands content over pride.
No one sufficiently sane is predicting that we have Crosby or Lemieux, nor McDavid or Matthews. In fact, we may have a glorified Dvorak.
I'm still waiting for Laffy and Dahleen to be anything more then bottom 1st rounders. Dahleen was screamed by everyone that he was a franchise player.
Buffalo offering Power? Laffy plus? Arizona 2 million draft picks? A big multi trade that lasts a generation?
Can't be an ass by ignoring Asset Management 101
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2022 13:35:38 GMT -5
The last team that won the Cup without a stud dman was the 06 Canes and we know what kind of luck they had. When Aaron Ward, Oleg Tverdovsky, Bret Hedican and Frank Kaberle are your top 4, you know a ton of luck had to go into that win. Luck is not a plan. If we had a high draft pick next year, we either pick a great forward and then move one of Suzuki, Wright or that great forward for a stud dman or we trade the pick itself for a stud dman. A young one. It's an ingredient you can't do without. Or you draft the stud dman if one has risen in the draft.
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2022 13:40:21 GMT -5
I would listen to offers for trading down. Or even straight up exchange. Of course it doesn't have the presttige of 1st overall, but Asset Management 101 demands content over pride. No one sufficiently sane is predicting that we have Crosby or Lemieux, nor McDavid or Matthews. In fact, we may have a glorified Dvorak. I'm still waiting for Laffy and Dahleen to be anything more then bottom 1st rounders. Dahleen was screamed by everyone that he was a franchise player. Buffalo offering Power? Laffy plus? Arizona 2 million draft picks? A big multi trade that lasts a generation? Can't be an ass by ignoring Asset Management 101 That is another option and shouldn't be ignored. One point. Dahlin had 13 goals, 53 points in 80 games last year and just turned 22. Tough to get thrown in as a saviour when you're an 18 year old defenseman on a bad team. Matters were sorting themselves out in Buffalo last year and Dahlin may be one reason why. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 14:03:08 GMT -5
I keep coming back to the qualities almost every Cup Champ has. At least one elite centre (or an excellent centre who plays at an elite level for 20 games) and preferably a strong second centre: A stud Dman who can play 30 minutes if necessary: A scorer: Adequate goaltending. We have Suzuki, who is progressing toward that definition of an elite centre. We can draft Wright who should fill the description of that second centre and perhaps even a 1B to Suze's 1A. (or vice versa). Caufield is the scorer. Goaltending is uncertain, but there are 4 kids in the prospect pool all excelling at their level. (Primeau helped win the most recent playoff game for Laval). That leaves the stud dman, often the most difficult to find. While Romanov, Guhle, Struble, Barron etc all have potential, I'm doubtful that any one of them can fill those elite dman skates. If one does, we can start celebrating, but one more year of suffering can give us a pick where we might not get a stud dman, but if we get the quality of forward that there is in 2023, the trade possibilities are there. Don't ignore Mailloux... he could be a diamond in the rough... he was drafted 31st but if he hadn't screwed up where would he have been drafted? |
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Post by seventeen on May 11, 2022 14:17:41 GMT -5
I keep coming back to the qualities almost every Cup Champ has. At least one elite centre (or an excellent centre who plays at an elite level for 20 games) and preferably a strong second centre: A stud Dman who can play 30 minutes if necessary: A scorer: Adequate goaltending. We have Suzuki, who is progressing toward that definition of an elite centre. We can draft Wright who should fill the description of that second centre and perhaps even a 1B to Suze's 1A. (or vice versa). Caufield is the scorer. Goaltending is uncertain, but there are 4 kids in the prospect pool all excelling at their level. (Primeau helped win the most recent playoff game for Laval). That leaves the stud dman, often the most difficult to find. While Romanov, Guhle, Struble, Barron etc all have potential, I'm doubtful that any one of them can fill those elite dman skates. If one does, we can start celebrating, but one more year of suffering can give us a pick where we might not get a stud dman, but if we get the quality of forward that there is in 2023, the trade possibilities are there. Don't ignore Mailloux... he could be a diamond in the rough... he was drafted 31st but if he hadn't screwed up where would he have been drafted? I hadn't forgotten him, but I wonder if he isn't a guy Hughes includes in a deal. He's an asset for sure, just maybe not in a Habs uniform. I get the feeling that was one of the triggers for Molson and it might be like a sliver that annoys the hell out you until you manage to scrape it out. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on May 11, 2022 14:28:13 GMT -5
Hughes does talk about character and leadership a lot. Team Canada did hand out the C to Wright at last April’s U18 (as an underage player) and Kingston gave him the C in his draft year as a 17 year old. He also has high end hockey IQ, which is very NHL projectable. So despite not being the glamorous generational talent that so many “hope for and dream of” with a first overall pick, he would be a huge add to an already expanding young core for the future. Wright-Suzuki is a lot of hockey smarts for a top six centre pair. And picking #1 gives long suffering Habs fans (especially this season) something to smile about and hopefully drown out the media/fan love fest the Leafs are getting for a third period comeback. I can only imagine the fury that would have erupted if Marc Bergevin, when asked about the most important characteristic he was looking for in a player, had of said “character”… ESPECIALLY in the context of being asked about the 1st overall pick… whoo boy! The difference for me is both HuGo have talked about wanting a faster and more skilled team. They just want character and hockey IQ as well. The previous regime seemed to make character a rally cry despite some trades and draft picks that screamed the opposite. We have a current promise of a team that is younger, faster, bigger and more skilled. If it is sprinkled throughout with character fairy dust and hockey IQ, this could be a return to fun hockey a few years down the road. It is at least an articulation of a plan. |
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Post by CentreHice on May 11, 2022 14:30:38 GMT -5
Lots of people are saying it was devine intervention from Guy Lafleur. Lafleur wore number 10, which happens to be May 10. He was born in 1951, which 51 is Shane Wright's number. Also ironically Guy was drafted 51 years ago and you guessed it as a no. 1 overall pick. So God decided to take one of our first overalls and, we get one back. Stuff like that. Cool coincidences. Unrelated...but also cool... Two other notable Pollock picks in '71: Murray Wilson at #11...and Larry Robinson at #20. |
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Post by habsask on May 11, 2022 14:39:03 GMT -5
Lots of people are saying it was devine intervention from Guy Lafleur. Lafleur wore number 10, which happens to be May 10. He was born in 1951, which 51 is Shane Wright's number. Also ironically Guy was drafted 51 years ago and you guessed it as a no. 1 overall pick. So God decided to take one of our first overalls and, we get one back. Stuff like that. Some great coincidences there. Divine intervention - sure Pollock's Brilliance as a GM - he traded a still very good player to the team with the worst record during the season before the draft so that they wouldn't finish last. He had the pick of the 2nd worst team at the time of the trade which ended up last (and the #1 overall pick) by the end of the season. Just a little history for the younger folks here. Actually Hughes reminds me of Pollock. Good thing Cheers |
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Post by Skilly on May 11, 2022 14:54:26 GMT -5
Hughes does talk about character and leadership a lot. Team Canada did hand out the C to Wright at last April’s U18 (as an underage player) and Kingston gave him the C in his draft year as a 17 year old. He also has high end hockey IQ, which is very NHL projectable. So despite not being the glamorous generational talent that so many “hope for and dream of” with a first overall pick, he would be a huge add to an already expanding young core for the future. Wright-Suzuki is a lot of hockey smarts for a top six centre pair. And picking #1 gives long suffering Habs fans (especially this season) something to smile about and hopefully drown out the media/fan love fest the Leafs are getting for a third period comeback. I can only imagine the fury that would have erupted if Marc Bergevin, when asked about the most important characteristic he was looking for in a player, had of said “character”… ESPECIALLY in the context of being asked about the 1st overall pick… whoo boy! I know when MB drafted Kotkaniemi he said KK was a “natural center” who played “the right way at both ends of the ice” and was “mature”. |
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Post by Willie Dog on May 11, 2022 15:36:35 GMT -5
Don't ignore Mailloux... he could be a diamond in the rough... he was drafted 31st but if he hadn't screwed up where would he have been drafted? I hadn't forgotten him, but I wonder if he isn't a guy Hughes includes in a deal. He's an asset for sure, just maybe not in a Habs uniform. I get the feeling that was one of the triggers for Molson and it might be like a sliver that annoys the hell out you until you manage to scrape it out. I hope not, the kid has talent and I hope a stupid act doesn't cost us a potential top 3 D. |
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Post by Tankdriver on May 11, 2022 15:39:20 GMT -5
I hadn't forgotten him, but I wonder if he isn't a guy Hughes includes in a deal. He's an asset for sure, just maybe not in a Habs uniform. I get the feeling that was one of the triggers for Molson and it might be like a sliver that annoys the hell out you until you manage to scrape it out. I hope not, the kid has talent and I hope a stupid act doesn't cost us a potential top 3 D. Agree. Only way I am trading Mailloux is if I am getting someone else back with the exact skill set and size on defence. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on May 11, 2022 18:40:03 GMT -5
Le 5 à 7 @5a7rds Shane, veux-tu toujours jouer pour les Canadiens? « Absolument, même encore plus qu'avant avec Montréal. La possibilité de devenir un Canadien, je ne pourrais pas être plus content, je serais sur un nuage et super excité d'être repêché par Montréal! » 🤩🤩🤩 Translated from French by Google Shane, do you still want to play for the Canadiens? "Absolutely, even more than before with Montreal. The possibility of becoming a Canadian, I couldn't be happier, I would be over the moon and super excited to be drafted by Montreal!" 🤩🤩🤩 |
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Post by habsorbed on May 12, 2022 0:18:46 GMT -5
It's good to see the top prospect excited about coming to Mtl. While I don't want to question the kids sincerity, he has been quite clear that he wants to be picked 1st overall. If that's his objective he's not going to dis the Habs. If Yotes had won the lottery, he would have equally excited to go to the desert.
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Post by habsorbed on May 12, 2022 0:25:02 GMT -5
While I'm happy to have #1 pick, I must say I'm less than impressed with our history of picking #1: Lafleur, Plasse, Wickenheiser, Monahan, and Houle. Guy was the only elite player. Reggie was a solid player but not elite. The others were more like 2nd rounders or worse. Perhaps we're due to finally pick an elite player with #1 overall pick - it's been over 50 years since we did that.
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Post by habsorbed on May 12, 2022 0:34:50 GMT -5
Here's the list of first overall picks. It is for the most part an impressive list but not a can't miss list. It would seem that out of every 10 years, 8 are for real and one is so so, and one is a bust (see Yakapov 2012, Dipietro 2000, and Daigle 1993). records.nhl.com/draft/no.-1-overall-picks |
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