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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 23, 2022 23:27:39 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2022 8:59:40 GMT -5
I don't want him on the Habs, I think he will be nothing but a problem
He screwed the Jets saying that, just crapped all over any trade value he has, He dropped a bomb in the Jets dressing room
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2022 10:48:25 GMT -5
My feeling is that he's not as good as his reputation. He looked good at the WC, but that was a lower level than the NHL. I would only entertain it if he's a UFA and only if we still need scoring help. We don't need him now while we're chasing a franchise player. I'm not even sure he could break the top 2 centre spots by then. There's certainly some skill there, but the value proposition is uncertain.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jun 24, 2022 10:52:47 GMT -5
The Jets will no doubt try and move him at some point. That makes zero sense for the Habs to overpay right now for him. My spidey senses are tingling on this one…buyer beware. I would be fine if he is on the UFA market in a couple of years, but the timing is just wrong right now. HuGo need a year or two to shed some bad contracts first.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2022 12:18:14 GMT -5
Dubois is never hesitant to speak his mind. Yeah, I see no point at all in trading for him. If Dubois really wants to explore the Montreal option, then he signs a one year deal now and plays it out whether in Winnipeg or wherever they deal him, and subsequently talks to Hughes next summer as a UFA.
Right now there is no clarity on Price. In contrast, if Price only plays a few games in 2022-23 and his knee breaks down again, then he becomes essentially an auto-LTIR for the final three years of his deal (2023-2026), in which case Montreal's management could likely be better positioned to add a big contract next summer.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2022 13:27:28 GMT -5
Dubois is never hesitant to speak his mind. Yeah, I see no point at all in trading for him. If Dubois really wants to explore the Montreal option, then he signs a one year deal now and plays it out whether in Winnipeg or wherever they deal him, and subsequently talks to Hughes next summer as a UFA. Right now there is no clarity on Price. In contrast, if Price only plays a few games in 2022-23 and his knee breaks down again, then he becomes essentially an auto-LTIR for the final three years of his deal (2023-2026), in which case Montreal's management could likely be better positioned to add a big contract next summer. or trade him to a cap tight team, ala Chez Weber, the only issue being the dollars Carey is making, there is about 3 mill a year between the cap hit and the actual salary, if the Habs absorb 2mill a year, might make it palatable... that would free up 8.5 in cap hit SEASON CAP HIT S.BONUSES BASE SALARY TOTAL SALARY 2022-23 $10,500,000 $6,750,000 $1,000,000 $7,750,000 2023-24 $10,500,000 $6,500,000 $2,000,000 $8,500,000 2024-25 $10,500,000 $5,500,000 $2,000,000 $7,500,000 2025-26 $10,500,000 $5,500,000 $2,000,000 $7,500,000 |
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Post by PTH on Jun 24, 2022 15:47:57 GMT -5
I'd be up for trying to sign him in 2024. I wouldn't be up for trying to trade for him since we won't be a playoff team looking for help, and he's going to be expensive, in terms of assets.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2022 23:08:19 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I thought Dubois would be a UFA after this season. In many ways this is better for Montreal, winning in the short term (2022-24) is basically just not realistic and moreover it gives management more time to clear cap space.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 25, 2022 10:33:34 GMT -5
I don't want him on the Habs, I think he will be nothing but a problem He screwed the Jets saying that, just crapped all over any trade value he has, He dropped a bomb in the Jets dressing room |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 25, 2022 14:05:19 GMT -5
I don't want him on the Habs, I think he will be nothing but a problem He screwed the Jets saying that, just crapped all over any trade value he has, He dropped a bomb in the Jets dressing room That is the best way to describe what PLD did to the Jets... wonder what it's like on the jets boards... |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 25, 2022 22:11:29 GMT -5
The Jets board is somewhat mixed. Some want him to stay and wonder if its a negotiating ploy (I doubt it). Someone else says he was a beast at the worlds (which he was, but the talent level was no where near NHL quality).
Others question his skating ability, so there appears to be no real consensus. I think they'd prefer he stay, but Winnipeg in winter is not an ideal place, while sunny Florida is attractive (at least until it's under water). Get flood insurance Panther and Lightning players.
in fact, if climate change keeps at its pace, Winnipeg may be a great place to live.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2022 15:55:13 GMT -5
I would not trade anything serious to get him now IF we know Price is gone.
In two years, as a FA, unless he becomes a joke, he's worth 8x7 for a big, tough, 60-70 point center.
Jets are screwed....as if I care.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Mar 27, 2023 12:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew on Mar 27, 2023 14:03:46 GMT -5
Interesting. That's adding some gasoline to the Dubois speculation fire. I will add that I just listened to the segment on 32 thoughts. An important qualifier, that was left out of the tweet, are the words " I think" prior to the quote. I read into this that Friedman is speculating that the Habs and Jets have had conversations, imagining that the Jets feel that Dubois wants to play in Montreal. Quote is just after the 19:00 mark. podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/tin-foil-hats/id1332150124?i=1000606135715 |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 27, 2023 15:36:17 GMT -5
Friedman says "Dubois has a year left and we all know how he feels" at the 17:45 mark and he did say " I think" at the 19 minute mark
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Post by seventeen on Mar 27, 2023 20:12:49 GMT -5
I'm still torn on the Dubois thing. He's a good player, but I'm not sold on his mental toughness. Opting out in Columbus and then Winnipeg doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. When (not if) things get tough in Montreal, what will his attitude be?
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 29, 2023 16:12:22 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew on Mar 29, 2023 16:39:54 GMT -5
The downside to this approach is that the Habs are then in a tough spot when it comes to negotiating Dubois' next deal. They've given up a valuable asset in a 1st rounder, and the clock is ticking on UFA status where they could lose him for nothing. All of a sudden the tables are turned and Montreal has no leverage. Dubois: "What was that I said about wanting to play in Montreal? I don't remember saying anything like that. Pay me.". |
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Post by folatre on Mar 30, 2023 16:19:17 GMT -5
Interesting scenario, I had not thought of that angle. It would be a mob boss ruthless move by Hughes, which is kind of cool and if I were Molson I would certainly not prohibit management from pursuing it. But it carries some risk.
As Andrew mentioned already, there is no 100 percent guarantee that Dubois will easily agree to a number the organization is comfortable with. He might, but it is not a lock.
Another issue is how bad could the Habs conceivably be in 2023-24 even with Dubois in the fold. Going the offer sheet route, this is a completely unprotected first round pick we are talking about. Montreal does not exactly have a luxury situation in net, so bad goalie play can make talented offensive teams look lame (see Ottawa, Buffalo, and Florida); also, fair or not, a bunch of the Habs regulars are ‘injury-prone’ until they prove otherwise. So the chance of being bottom ten is not negligible.
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Post by jkr on Mar 30, 2023 18:26:13 GMT -5
Dubois'play has like most of his team, taken a nose dive. In his last 10 games he has 1 goal & is a -6.
I'd give it another year , wait for UFA status to hit.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Mar 30, 2023 20:15:17 GMT -5
Dubois'play has like most of his team, taken a nose dive. In his last 10 games he has 1 goal & is a -6. I'd give it another year , wait for UFA status to hit. Yeah, not worth tangible assets this year. |
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Post by folatre on Apr 1, 2023 6:47:00 GMT -5
Is Dubois a critical piece for Montreal’s plan to be playoff quality in the near term and a Stanley Cup contender in the medium term? If the answer is no, then this is all media hype destined to come to nothing. If the answer is yes, then management is no doubt refining its strategy and contingencies.
Assuming management already answered yes, the issue centers on what conditions do they estimate it is preferable to get the player this summer rather than next. Remember, it was Gorton who traded for Trouba twelve months before the d-man would have become an UFA free to pick his preferred destination (NYR).
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Post by jkr on Apr 1, 2023 8:50:22 GMT -5
I remember at the time that I thought the price of the Trouba trade kind of high - Pionk and a 1st. (20th overall I think)
I'd be reluctant to give up a 1st in the near term- 2024 for sure & maybe even 2025.
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Post by Tankdriver on Apr 1, 2023 9:00:01 GMT -5
Still need to wait 1 year. Accumulate and build up depth and assets, clear up cap space and dump contracts.
Just think, in one year, no more Alzner or Hoffman on the books. Just need to find a way to get rid of Armia for it to be cleaned up.
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Post by Scotty D on Apr 4, 2023 15:45:01 GMT -5
the more I read about this possibility the more i hope it never happens. I cant imagine in the slightest that this guys character is worth having in a dressing room, team player given the history he has is the last thing that comes to mind, all the talent in the world won't make up for the decay mentally that can be caused in the rest of the room with a guy like this.
he is no Doug Glatt that's for sure and xavier laflamme did as much damage as glatt's poor hockey skills to the voyageurs.
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Post by Cranky on Apr 4, 2023 19:50:54 GMT -5
I'm annoyed that I didn't think of that. I'm not sure I want to pay any price if...IF Dubois is already mentally signed. That 1st can bring us a RHD or goalie we desperately need. But if not... That is one heck of a Pollock level move. |
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Post by Cranky on Apr 4, 2023 19:55:43 GMT -5
Dubois'play has like most of his team, taken a nose dive. In his last 10 games he has 1 goal & is a -6. I'd give it another year , wait for UFA status to hit. Dubois is not the second coming of Beliveau. He can play but he's not going to carry the team on his shoulder unlesd he has help. Look at how lackluster teammates has affected Suzuki. If we were a contender and CC was in full swing, Suzuki would be a 100 point center by now. Everything is relative... |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Apr 5, 2023 9:29:17 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Cranky. If they like PLD, get him sooner rather than later because once he goes UFA all bets are off. I wouldn't assume he'll just be there for the taking.
The starting point for a quasi-rental type player would be a "player, a pick, and a prospect", but for PLD given his age and RFA status it would have to be a legit offer.
Would you trade Kaiden Guhle, Sean Farrell, and a 1st for PLD?
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Post by PTH on Apr 5, 2023 10:14:06 GMT -5
I'm annoyed that I didn't think of that. I'm not sure I want to pay any price if...IF Dubois is already mentally signed. That 1st can bring us a RHD or goalie we desperately need. But if not... That is one heck of a Pollock level move. Hmm, the danger there is that our god-awful team would then no longer have its own 1st round pick in 2024, if the Jets just let him go. We aren't exactly the Carolina Hurricanes... |
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Post by PTH on Apr 5, 2023 10:19:11 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Cranky. If they like PLD, get him sooner rather than later because once he goes UFA all bets are off. I wouldn't assume he'll just be there for the taking. The starting point for a quasi-rental type player would be a "player, a pick, and a prospect", but for PLD given his age and RFA status it would have to be a legit offer. Would you trade Kaiden Guhle, Sean Farrell, and a 1st for PLD? Nope. I wouldn't even trade two of those pieces. Basically, we're assuming he wants to be a Hab, and we're trading to get him signed to a 2023 type contract rather than the 2024 numbers which will be higher. His value isn't more than that to us, if he wants to be here. If he doesn't want to be here, I'd let someone else overpay Winnipeg to get him. My best offer would be a B prospect (Mesar and Mailloux come to mind) along with one of Dvorak and Anderson. Maybe a 2nd rounder. But no 1st rounders or prospects trending really well are going to be on the table. |
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