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Post by drkcloud on Jul 16, 2022 14:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew on Jul 16, 2022 14:53:44 GMT -5
Frees up a small amount of cap space with a $1.375 differential between Petry and Matheson. Matheson is locked up for 4 more years, however, which I don’t love. Haven’t watched enough of Matheson to comment on his play.
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Post by jkr on Jul 16, 2022 15:01:25 GMT -5
Already a thread going in the Trades thread. Maybe the mods can combine them?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2022 15:03:12 GMT -5
Frees up a small amount of cap space with a $1.375 differential between Petry and Matheson. Matheson is locked up for 4 more years, however, which I don’t love. Haven’t watched enough of Matheson to comment on his play. ... Michael Matheson was also born in Pointe-Claire ...
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 16, 2022 15:09:36 GMT -5
Yikes. I don't like this trade.
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 16, 2022 15:20:55 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Jul 16, 2022 15:23:13 GMT -5
The trade is saying a few things. First, there was a overriding priority to send on his way a guy who made public that he no longer wanted to be in Montreal. And management ran up against the reality that the market for age 30+ players with significant money and term is basically non-existent. Second, Gorton and Hughes apparently do not think much of Poehling as an NHL player. I thought he made strides last season, but I get the basic rationale. With Dvorak not getting traded and Dach being acquired, there is basically no chance for Poehling to win a spot at centre and things are such a crowded inflexible mess on the wings (thanks Bergevin) that his chances there are problematic too.
I care very little about the Pens' fourth round pick, but I suppose it is better than not having it.
Matheson is not as a good a NHL d-man as Petry, but he is younger and he is certainly above average.
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Post by jkr on Jul 16, 2022 15:27:06 GMT -5
Good synopsis folatre. Thanks for the dose of reality.
I'm surprised it happened so quickly though.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 16, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
Not exactly. Poehling was due to earn $750k which Rem will earn instead, plus $350k. Have cleared just over $1M when taking both moves into account. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 16, 2022 15:33:22 GMT -5
Pitlick has some qualities I like such as speed and a nose for the net. But he is smallish, not very determined in board battles, and uncommitted to transition defense. So for me management did the right thing both in terms of money and term. His cap hit can be buried in full in the AHL or he can get claimed off waivers if the negatives to his game outweigh the positives.
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Post by habsask on Jul 16, 2022 15:41:08 GMT -5
Not exactly. Poehling was due to earn $750k which Rem will earn instead, plus $350k. Have cleared just over $1M when taking both moves into account. Just to clarify according to CapFriendly the saving between Petry & Matheson is $1,375,000. Add in $400,000 between Poehling & Pitlick savings come to $1,775,000. |
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Post by mikeg on Jul 16, 2022 15:53:49 GMT -5
Kent's work of cleaning up Bergy's mess continues.
He didn't want to retain on Petry and he got a cheaper, younger asset back that he can maybe flip at the deadline. I wanted him to keep Petry to see if Jeff could drive up his own value by playing well... but there's a risk he is still regressing/deliberately playing badly which could drive his value even lower. I don't mind taking the safe way out here.
In the end Kent freed up cap space and made us younger, so it's a win for me as far as I see it. I was dead set against any retention, I just want Bergy's bad contracts gone for good.
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Post by habsask on Jul 16, 2022 15:58:51 GMT -5
The trade is saying a few things. First, there was a overriding priority to send on his way a guy who made public that he no longer wanted to be in Montreal. And management ran up against the reality that the market for age 30+ players with significant money and term is basically non-existent. Second, Gorton and Hughes apparently do not think much of Poehling as an NHL player. I thought he made strides last season, but I get the basic rationale. With Dvorak not getting traded and Dach being acquired, there is basically no chance for Poehling to win a spot at centre and things are such a crowded inflexible mess on the wings (thanks Bergevin) that his chances there are problematic too. I care very little about the Pens' fourth round pick, but I suppose it is better than not having it. Matheson is not as a good a NHL d-man as Petry, but he is younger and he is certainly above average. Good post folater I think you're right about Hughes having to face reality. Besides the saving in Cap space helps. As for Petry he wasn't particularly good last season so was that a warning that he has now started to decline? And even supposing he plays better for the Pens, at 34 how long will that continue? Matheson appears serviceable and although he's under contract for a year longer that Petry given that he's cheaper & 6 years younger he might be easier to trade once the young prospects are ready in 2 or 3 years. And picks are always useful if only in the trade market. Besides if the defense is weaker than last season I'm not upset as that might lead to a higher draft pick. Cheers |
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 16, 2022 16:27:54 GMT -5
Not exactly. Poehling was due to earn $750k which Rem will earn instead, plus $350k. Have cleared just over $1M when taking both moves into account. Just to clarify according to CapFriendly the saving between Petry & Matheson is $1,375,000. Add in $400,000 between Poehling & Pitlick savings come to $1,775,000. Pitlick is signed for 1.1, so it's a 400,000 increase, not savings so I guess the money saving is just under a million, close to a way but something I guess. And the team is a little weaker on defense today, strengthening our chance at a top 5 again |
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Post by jkr on Jul 16, 2022 16:49:09 GMT -5
I know Pitt is going all in on their older guys by signing Malkin and Letang to multi year deals and Crosby will be 35 in a few weeks. So why would they give up Matheson, who is under control for 4 years, for a 34 year old Petry and get even older? Add in Carter, 37 and signed for 2 more years. And Jan Rutta, 31, signed for 3 more years.
They must feel that they still have a legit shot at playoff success but they must be one of the oldest teams in the league now.
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Post by Skilly on Jul 16, 2022 17:04:57 GMT -5
We have $1.2 million in cap space, AND still need to sign Kirby Dach
Who goes next?
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2022 17:10:35 GMT -5
I don't know who Michael Matheson is ... I've read polar opposite opinions on him ... some think he sucks, others think he's a stud ... found a 2020 article that says Matheson Could Improve Pittsburgh's 3rd pairing ... OTOH, the guy had 11 goals last year, five of which, were GWG ... we'll see, I guess ... best of luck to Ryan Poehling in Pittsburgh ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 16, 2022 17:16:06 GMT -5
Despite losing four straight opening round matchups in the playoffs, when you re-sign Malkin and Letang it is going all in. Petry is better than Matheson and Poehling can add something to their fourth line (whereas a fourth round pick next summer cannot).
Without Jarry Pittsburgh outplayed the Rangers. They just could not withstand the double whammy of DeSmith going down and then Crosby getting Troubaed. The Penguins are going to have a mess of a roster in a couple of years, but I think what they did today makes sense in the context of everything.
When I looked at the numbers, I see Montreal saving $1.025 million today. However, that still will not be enough to sign Dach. Basically if Price is on the roster, then Hughes will have no choice but to run with a 20 or 21 man roster. The Habs can save $1.15 million each on a couple of vets' cap hits by sending them to Laval. And the sad truth is there are like five veteran wingers on Montreal's roster who no club in the league would touch on waivers.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2022 17:36:41 GMT -5
Translated from French by Google
🚨🚨🚨 Highlights 🚨🚨🚨
Mike Matheson lacks consistency in his game, but he brings robustness, a good shot and a less expensive contract than Jeff Petry.
The CH does not improve with this transaction, but adds a guy who can also drop the gloves
@toutsurlehockey
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Post by Cranky on Jul 16, 2022 17:50:27 GMT -5
We officially have the worse defense in the NHL.
There better be at least one kid that raise to a top 4 this year or we are going to a huge price in acquiring real defenseman.
Hopium and Copium are not real defenseman and they won't help us "when we rise" in a few years. IF we rise...see Buffalo.
Also, given that this trade was inevitable, I would of not traded Romanov.
Hopium and Copium...
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 16, 2022 18:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 16, 2022 18:51:02 GMT -5
We officially have the worse defense in the NHL. There better be at least one kid that raise to a top 4 this year or we are going to a huge price in acquiring real defenseman. Hopium and Copium are not real defenseman and they won't help us "when we rise" in a few years. IF we rise...see Buffalo. Also, given that this trade was inevitable, I would of not traded Romanov. Hopium and Copium... Our goaltending is secure and might make up for weak defense. PLAN: End the year as the weakest team. Hope to win the draft lottery #1 again. Decide not to pick Bedard. Anything can happen? |
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Post by frozone on Jul 16, 2022 19:07:58 GMT -5
Based on the play of all players involved last season, we actually win this trade. Yup, Matheson was very good last year. And Petry was definitely the worst player of the bunch. So looking ahead, maybe this trade works out in our favour.
Based on total body of work though, this trade doesn’t look good.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jul 16, 2022 20:34:36 GMT -5
We officially have the worse defense in the NHL.... Yup |
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Post by habsburgher on Jul 16, 2022 21:03:07 GMT -5
Apparently the Penguins did not want to include Matheson but Hughes told them no deal without Matheson who is a terrific skater.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 16, 2022 21:29:25 GMT -5
Apparently the Penguins did not want to include Matheson but Hughes told them no deal without Matheson who is a terrific skater. Analytics |
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 16, 2022 21:35:24 GMT -5
Apparently the Penguins did not want to include Matheson but Hughes told them no deal without Matheson who is a terrific skater. I saw that tweet. GMs always say that. It's better than saying they really got the best of me. After some of the optimism I felt at the draft,it's really sinking in how bad we are going to be. Bomb for Bedard! |
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Post by HFTO on Jul 16, 2022 22:04:47 GMT -5
Matheson is a solid D man ….he’s no Petry but he’s not old 28 and certainly moveable.
$ are $ ….Poehling was never going to fit here seems like a great kid hopefully he finds a spot in Pitt.
Hughes doesn’t have to win every trade when it comes to cleaning up the salary mess MB left him.
I’ll call this a wash of hands ….let’s hope he can dump some more.
The real bonus in this transaction is they signed Rem Pitlick.
This new group ain’t the same as the old group
HFTO
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 17, 2022 8:34:50 GMT -5
The bet that Hughes took is that Matheson is just coming into his prime after a breakout season last year and very good playoffs. With his size and excellent skating he does for the mold of the type of player/defender HuGo like: fast, smart, and good in transition. He also seems like the kind of D that MSL likes as he wants D that can activate. All in all, he is just 28 and should eat lots of minutes on a pretty depleted D corps this season. HuGo also does want to buffer the rookie defenders this season, so as not to have to force too many into the lineup if a bit more time in Laval is better for their development.
Hughes did hint in his presser that he is still looking for a RHD to get a bit more experience on that side, although he also referenced that guys like Shueneman, Harris and Leskinen can all play on the right. When you add in Dach’s new deal (to be determined), then he still needs to move somebody. With some of those ugly contracts, he still has his work cut out for him this summer. There is a lot of salary cap that will come off organically at the trade deadline, or at worst, in the off season with UFAs Dadonov, Drouin, Byron and Allen (who knows what the goalie situation could be by the end of the year).
Welcome home Mike and all the best in Club Geritol to all the Petry clan. There was a lot to like about Petry’s time with the Habs (last season excepted), but the trade request, unhappy family situation, and his open criticism of DD (rightfully so, but it was strange to hear a top player be so open about) really meant that Hughes had no choice but to get what he could in a deal and move Petry. Was it what most fans wanted? Nope. Was it above market value when you look at the recent Burns and McDonagh trades? I would say so.
Anyway, it is done. A bit of cap relief (not as much as one would have hoped) is gained. Hughes does not get to put his phone away anytime soon though.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 17, 2022 12:03:20 GMT -5
I know Pitt is going all in on their older guys by signing Malkin and Letang to multi year deals and Crosby will be 35 in a few weeks. So why would they give up Matheson, who is under control for 4 years, for a 34 year old Petry and get even older? Add in Carter, 37 and signed for 2 more years. And Jan Rutta, 31, signed for 3 more years. They must feel that they still have a legit shot at playoff success but they must be one of the oldest teams in the league now. Can't recall the exact analogy on Twitter, but it was equivalent to the Pens icing a bunch of guys who managed to escape the Spanish Inquisition. |
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