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Post by seventeen on Jul 17, 2022 12:05:56 GMT -5
Welcome home Mike and all the best in Club Geritol to all the Petry clan. Club Med might take on a whole new meaning in Pittsburgh. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 17, 2022 12:22:08 GMT -5
It might not be the best D next year (understatement), but a year later, it could feel a lot different
Right D
Barron, Harris, Mailloux?, Savard
Left D
Edmundson, Guhle, Xhekaj, Norlinder, Matheson, Hutson, Fairbrother (if he can stay healthy)
How do we get that elite Dman if none of the above becomes that (Hutson may have the most upside)? Next year is really, really heavy on centres. If we can draft another elite centre prospect, we then will have Suzuki, Dach, 2023 draftee, Beck, Evans and PLD about to join in another year. My guess is there are enough assets to trade for a young elite defense prospect. Does any team have 2 of them but are weak up the middle? Buffalo? Ottawa? Ottawa is a chuckle, but looking at them, is Norris really an elite centre? He's an excellent finisher, but not sure he fits the rest of the definition. How will Stutzle adjust to playing centre. Will it work, or will he be another Drouin type centre? They might well be crying for another, and they do have Jake Sanderson arriving.
Man, we have a lot of Left D.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 17, 2022 13:12:50 GMT -5
Well, the good news is we got rid of Petry. Never thought much of him and even less with his cry baby routine after signing a $6+ million contract - talk about entitlement. Back to his play: he is a great skater but that's about it. Not a good playmaker, not a great shot, not particularly good in his own end, poor hockey IQ. And not much leadership - his cowardly performance this past season not responding to a cheap shot on a teammate told me all I needed to know why he should not be wearing an 'A'. Did I mention he's a good skater. He is top 4 Dman but that's about it. Adios!
Disappointed to see Poehlong go as I still had hope, altho I get that we are deep at centre and he likely wasn't going to get much of a chance. I do believe he will be a more effective player than Evans and be a strong 3C, and maybe more. We'll see.
I am excited about Math. He's got serious potential to be much better than Petry ever was. Hughes knows him as his former agent so that gives me some comfort. Altho, at some point we may have to start worrying about Hughes favouritism and bringing in people he knows in a somewhat biased approach which he can't discern. But Maths is hometown boy from The Pointe and has improved every year of his career with 11 goals last year and very impressive 5 on 5 stats.
I'm happy as we got a legit top 4 and maybe top 2.
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Post by Douper on Jul 17, 2022 14:03:17 GMT -5
We aren't going to be good next year guys, we just need to make sure the young guys are developing and get good together. Bottom 2 next year is not the worst position to be in.
We are not a contender, give Hughes and Gorton a chance to build something. with the deals that were being done at the draft we all knew Petry's value wasn't going to be great.
I'll be patient with them. Bedard or Michkov should be the goal.
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jul 17, 2022 14:07:31 GMT -5
I know Pitt is going all in on their older guys by signing Malkin and Letang to multi year deals and Crosby will be 35 in a few weeks. So why would they give up Matheson, who is under control for 4 years, for a 34 year old Petry and get even older? Add in Carter, 37 and signed for 2 more years. And Jan Rutta, 31, signed for 3 more years. They must feel that they still have a legit shot at playoff success but they must be one of the oldest teams in the league now. Perhaps they are counting on Poehling returning to form. Three goals a night plus one in overtime? |
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Post by drkcloud on Jul 17, 2022 15:06:20 GMT -5
I know Pitt is going all in on their older guys by signing Malkin and Letang to multi year deals and Crosby will be 35 in a few weeks. So why would they give up Matheson, who is under control for 4 years, for a 34 year old Petry and get even older? Add in Carter, 37 and signed for 2 more years. And Jan Rutta, 31, signed for 3 more years. They must feel that they still have a legit shot at playoff success but they must be one of the oldest teams in the league now. Perhaps they are counting on Poehling returning to form. Three goals a night plus one in overtime? We'll be left shaking our heads once again when Poehling pots 25 |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 17, 2022 16:03:53 GMT -5
Perhaps they are counting on Poehling returning to form. Three goals a night plus one in overtime? We'll be left shaking our heads once again when Poehling pots 25 Maybe. But if that was his true level, it would of surfaced by now. Last season anyone with a pulse and desire could of made themselves visible. See Pitlick. Other then Suzuki, center was an easy position to prove something. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 17, 2022 18:50:05 GMT -5
We'll be left shaking our heads once again when Poehling pots 25 Maybe. But if that was his true level, it would of surfaced by now. Last season anyone with a pulse and desire could of made themselves visible. See Pitlick. Other then Suzuki, center was an easy position to prove something. Reports are PLD, wants out of Winnipeg and requested a trade with Montreal. Cheveldayoff has requested Suzuki. Hughes says under no circumstance is he trading Suzuki. PLD has hinted that if not traded, he’ll just wait until next year and sign in MTL as a UFA. So Winnipeg almost has to trade him to get something for him. One report I saw had Dvorak, a prospect, a low draft pick, and a top nine player (speculated to be Gallagher). The report ended with a Winnipeg reporter saying his sources indicate that Cheveldayoff is softening on the idea |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 17, 2022 19:55:25 GMT -5
Maybe. But if that was his true level, it would of surfaced by now. Last season anyone with a pulse and desire could of made themselves visible. See Pitlick. Other then Suzuki, center was an easy position to prove something. Reports are PLD, wants out of Winnipeg and requested a trade with Montreal. Cheveldayoff has requested Suzuki. Hughes says under no circumstance is he trading Suzuki. PLD has hinted that if not traded, he’ll just wait until next year and sign in MTL as a UFA. So Winnipeg almost has to trade him to get something for him. One report I saw had Dvorak, a prospect, a low draft pick, and a top nine player (speculated to be Gallagher). The report ended with a Winnipeg reporter saying his sources indicate that Cheveldayoff is softening on the idea Now you're getting Cranky all excited. But why would we wand PLD now? We ain't contending for the next few years so why do we want him for 2 years and then deal with trying to sign him as an FA. I'd be fine with trading Gally and dumping his contract but 2 years from now we'd be getting squeezed by PLD. Now if we are able to extend him long term as part of the trade then it might work particularly if he wants to give a hometown discount given he seems keen on being in Mtl. |
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Post by frozone on Jul 17, 2022 20:23:52 GMT -5
Reports are PLD, wants out of Winnipeg and requested a trade with Montreal. Cheveldayoff has requested Suzuki. Hughes says under no circumstance is he trading Suzuki. PLD has hinted that if not traded, he’ll just wait until next year and sign in MTL as a UFA. So Winnipeg almost has to trade him to get something for him. One report I saw had Dvorak, a prospect, a low draft pick, and a top nine player (speculated to be Gallagher). The report ended with a Winnipeg reporter saying his sources indicate that Cheveldayoff is softening on the idea Now you're getting Cranky all excited. But why would we wand PLD now? We ain't contending for the next few years so why do we want him for 2 years and then deal with trying to sign him as an FA. I'd be fine with trading Gally and dumping his contract but 2 years from now we'd be getting squeezed by PLD. Now if we are able to extend him long term as part of the trade then it might work particularly if he wants to give a hometown discount given he seems keen on being in Mtl. There's a couple worthwhile reasons to get him now. First of all, if we trade current roster players for PLD, it helps with the cap. Especially if we did a Dvorak + winger type deal. And second of all, it's a good offseason to sign young players to long term contracts. In principle, I definitely think it's best to wait until he's a UFA to sign him without giving up any assets, but since we're over the cap and we have several expendable players, I'm ok with trading for him now (provided we sign him to a favourable long term contract obviously). |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 17, 2022 20:37:36 GMT -5
PLD has two more years before UFA
There is absolutely no reason for the Habs to get him for serious assets. Just wait it out.
But since Dubois is interested and agitating so the Habs have to stay on top of this. Why would Dubois want to come home if the Habs show indeference to him.
IF Dach/Slaf works out then we got serious front end in two years. Best we had in centuries.
But defense and goaltending?
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Post by PTH on Jul 18, 2022 3:01:46 GMT -5
I find it hard to get a read on this one. I'm thinking that the key was getting a veteran D in return, which at least fit in well with the need for something vaguely even, cap-wise.
At least the Petry distraction is over. And the risk of having him go downhill on us is gone. Our new risk is that Matheson is mediocre and still pretty expensive.
I'm annoyed at letting go yet another 1st rounder, but we knew we had too many forwards signed, so I'm guessing management saw him as most expendable, and of less value as a depth forward than waiver-material UFA Pitlick. Which is saying something for a guy who was a 1st rounder, 5 years ago.
This is really looking like a down-to-the-studs rebuild. Suzuki and Caufield are the only 2 guys who will be kept from the old regime...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 18, 2022 7:31:42 GMT -5
If Hugo can move Dvo and bGal for PLD, they will be gods in my book, the Jets have over 14M in cap space... come on HuGo do it.
jeebus... Slafy, PLD, Anderson, Dach in our top 6... that is some serious size, like we have never seen, then add the 2 timbits Suze and CC and our top 6 rocks
PLD, Suze, CC
Slaffy, Dach, Anderson
If we get PLD, it'll be like an arms race in the east between the Habs and the Sens...
PLD, Suze, CC
Slaffy, Dach, Anderson
Talk about giving other coaches nightmares
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Post by frozone on Jul 18, 2022 8:04:48 GMT -5
I find it hard to get a read on this one. I'm thinking that the key was getting a veteran D in return, which at least fit in well with the need for something vaguely even, cap-wise. At least the Petry distraction is over. And the risk of having him go downhill on us is gone. Our new risk is that Matheson is mediocre and still pretty expensive. I'm annoyed at letting go yet another 1st rounder, but we knew we had too many forwards signed, so I'm guessing management saw him as most expendable, and of less value as a depth forward than waiver-material UFA Pitlick. Which is saying something for a guy who was a 1st rounder, 5 years ago. This is really looking like a down-to-the-studs rebuild. Suzuki and Caufield are the only 2 guys who will be kept from the old regime... Poehling's future as a regular NHLer is in doubt to me. His time to breakout was upset by a bad concussion, and he's had at least one more since. And for the type of game that he has to play to stay in the NHL, he cannot afford to have a fragile head. We're parting ways at the right time imo. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 18, 2022 9:47:05 GMT -5
I'm surprised Anderson's name hasn't been brought up in the PLD discussions. I would think Winn would be all over that and a deal would be done given cap space would be in good shape. It suggests to me Hugo do not want to move Josh which I'm Ok with. But it would also mean HuGo isn't head over heals for PLD.
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Post by PTH on Jul 18, 2022 9:48:35 GMT -5
Poehling's future as a regular NHLer is in doubt to me. His time to breakout was upset by a bad concussion, and he's had at least one more since. And for the type of game that he has to play to stay in the NHL, he cannot afford to have a fragile head. We're parting ways at the right time imo. Good point. I don't wish him ill, but I can see how he might now be in that grey zone where he's healthy, but not healthy enough to play the style he needs to. And this might be a case where a player from college is "too smart" - he might have more options in life than some others, and as such won't risk severe injury... even if it just holds him back a tiny bit, here and there, it can be enough to maker a difference in his overall play. He's probably smart enough to know he could go back to school, get a degree, be debt-free and make a good living with his hockey money having bought him a mortgage-free home. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 18, 2022 12:58:17 GMT -5
PLD has two more years before UFA There is absolutely no reason for the Habs to get him for serious assets. Just wait it out. But since Dubois is interested and agitating so the Habs have to stay on top of this. Why would Dubois want to come home if the Habs show indeference to him. IF Dach/Slaf works out then we got serious front end in two years. Best we had in centuries. But defense and goaltending? It may not be easy to "give him attention" while avoiding tampering charges. But I agree that it's a waiting game and the longer Winnipeg waits the lower Dubois' value becomes. Step 1 should simply be waiting to see how Dach's game works out under MSL. If he starts to approach his potential we don't need Dubois and then the pressure on Winnipeg increases and we might get him a year earlier without giving up too much. Our problem then will be finding enough ice time for 3 top centres. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 18, 2022 13:06:29 GMT -5
I find it hard to get a read on this one. I'm thinking that the key was getting a veteran D in return, which at least fit in well with the need for something vaguely even, cap-wise. At least the Petry distraction is over. And the risk of having him go downhill on us is gone. Our new risk is that Matheson is mediocre and still pretty expensive. I'm annoyed at letting go yet another 1st rounder, but we knew we had too many forwards signed, so I'm guessing management saw him as most expendable, and of less value as a depth forward than waiver-material UFA Pitlick. Which is saying something for a guy who was a 1st rounder, 5 years ago. This is really looking like a down-to-the-studs rebuild. Suzuki and Caufield are the only 2 guys who will be kept from the old regime... I can't recall them exactly, but the odds of a player picked after a certain number (20ish) becoming an NHL player, drop a lot. The Habs picked in that range far too often and the results speak for themselves. McCarron, Scherbak, Juulsen and Poehling, Mailloux and Mesar have all been picked in that #26 range. It's too early to rank, Mailloux and Mesar, but the remaining 4 all flamed out (based on our expectations of a first round pick), Injuries played a role with Juulsen, but the point is accurate IMO. The Habs have done better picking in the #60 range. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 18, 2022 13:11:19 GMT -5
I'm surprised Anderson's name hasn't been brought up in the PLD discussions. I would think Winn would be all over that and a deal would be done given cap space would be in good shape. It suggests to me Hugo do not want to move Josh which I'm Ok with. But it would also mean HuGo isn't head over heals for PLD. I'd think Anderson and Dvorak are the main pieces of that trade, with a very good prospect added and that's probably the hold-up. We're not giving up any of the kids we expect to lead us forward. There's no Suzuki, Caufield or Guhle to be included, and certainly not Slafkovsky. I could see Mesar, or Ylonen (Jets need forwards way more than D), or maybe Dach, but then someone else (a pick or prospect) has to come back to us in addition to PLD. Dach may end up as good as PLD, so that would be the reason for my reticence. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 18, 2022 13:21:26 GMT -5
From The Athletic. I wouldn't object to a trade involving Dvorak, Anderson and even a first rounder after 2023, but otherwise, just wait it out. We don't want to be too good next year. I think that is Hughes' and Gorton's overriding strategy.
Pierre-Luc Dubois will not file for arbitration today, thus leaving the door open for another team to sign him to an offer sheet.
This decision is a calculated risk: Dubois gives up the right to negotiate an arbitration award more lucrative than his one-year, $6 million qualifying offer. In exchange, he is allowed to pursue an offer sheet with another club — say, the Montreal Canadiens — and to use the threat of that offer sheet as leverage with Winnipeg.
The news, as first reported by PuckPedia, is the latest development in a tumultuous offseason for Dubois. His dream to play for the Canadiens has been made increasingly more public.
By passing on arbitration, Dubois could be one step closer to realizing that dream. The 24-year-old restricted free agent, who scored 28 goals and 32 assists last season, has three options — each with enormous ramifications for his future.
Dubois could still accept his qualifying offer with Winnipeg. This option expires on Friday, July 22nd, so is only available for a little while. It makes sense for Dubois to do this if he believes he can’t get more than $6 million by negotiating directly with the Jets. That seems unlikely — Dubois’ performance is worth more than that — but it’s also possible that Dubois chooses this option because a cheaper contract makes him easier to trade.
Dubois could also keep negotiating with the Jets — this week or after his qualifying offer expires. Perhaps he feels that the threat of an offer sheet, combined with all of the noise he has already made about wanting to play in Montreal, gives him leverage in those negotiations. If he does sign in Winnipeg, don’t take it as a sign he’s not still keen to play in Montreal via trade or via 2024 free agency — it would simply be his best attempt at being a good soldier by playing for the team that has his rights.
Dubois’ third option is to pursue an offer sheet.
Montreal could sign Dubois to a contract between one and seven years in length. Winnipeg would have one week to match that contract offer, thus retaining Dubois under the terms of the contract he negotiated with Montreal, or decide to let him walk.
Conventional wisdom is that Winnipeg would match any and all offer sheets. The Jets have little interest in letting Dubois go and even less interest in being bullied by a big-market team, a player or his agent. In some cases, Montreal would even be doing the Jets a favour: Imagine the Canadiens sign Dubois to a seven-year contract at a price that Winnipeg can also afford. He might not be inclined to sign that same contract with the Jets but would be stuck with it if Winnipeg matched.
That said, there are some scenarios that would put Winnipeg under quite a bit more pressure. The Jets might look at a long-term deal to Dubois as a favour; they get to keep a good player they like — and one they gave up a lot to acquire.
But the Canadiens know that they’re Dubois’ No. 1 team of choice on the UFA market. Montreal could sign Dubois to a two-year offer sheet at an average annual value (AAV) so high that Winnipeg decides they’re better off taking draft pick compensation.
Compensation is determined by dividing the total value of the contract by either the number of years offered or five years, whichever is less.
The way I see it, a two-year deal between $8,402,975 and $10,503,720 is where things begin to get difficult. A long-term contract in this range is an easy and automatic match for Winnipeg but a two-year deal walks Dubois straight to free agency where he can sign directly with Montreal. That might make two first-round picks, one second-round pick, and one third-round pick a little more palatable. If Montreal crosses the $10.5 million threshold, thus cranking the compensation up to four first-round picks, then letting Dubois walk would make even more sense.
The Canadiens have all of their draft picks in the coming years. They’re one of the few teams who can make an offer sheet in any tier. They don’t have a lot of cap space, making the trade route much more preferable than an offer sheet, but it’s still possible Carey Price ends up on long-term injured reserve.
The truth is Dubois is a much more appealing trade target at his one-year, $6 million qualifying offer. Montreal has enough mid-tier players who make real money — Josh Anderson, Evgenii Dadonov, Christian Dvorak and Mike Hoffman — such that it would probably prefer an exchange of roster players to a donation of draft picks. Meanwhile, the Jets are still ostensibly trying to compete for a playoff spot. On paper, seven years’ worth of control over a package of draft picks might surpass two years of Dubois in his prime but those picks don’t help the Jets win now. Giving up on Dubois in this manner would signal a rebuild (or retool) in a manner that is inconsistent with GM Kevin Cheveldayoff’s summer messaging.
An offer sheet is probably less than ideal for both clubs but Dubois did leave it open for a reason. Every day that passes between now and a Jets contract — even his qualifying offer — is a day in which the possibility remains.
If it’s a bluff, then it’s one more move in a long line of them by Dubois in which he asserts his desire to play elsewhere. Winnipeg may feel more inclined to trade Dubois while a lower cap hit and a big return are still possible. (Of course, the Jets may be unfazed by all of this and hold on to Dubois whether he’s happy or not. He played well enough last season to suggest he could do it all over again. Winnipeg doesn’t owe Dubois a move to his team of choice; perhaps Cheveldayoff dares Dubois to hold out if he’s so desperate to play for Montreal.)
If Dubois’ desire for an offer sheet is real, then keep an eye on Montreal in the days to come. He appears to be fixated on realizing his Canadiens dream; thus, while today’s news is not a point of no return for Dubois and the Jets, that point has appeared on the horizon and looks clearer by the day.
Lastly, consider that Winnipeg has one final option to secure Dubois for a two-year deal instead of one.
The second and final window for team-elected salary arbitration opens Sunday at 4:00 pm CT and remains open for 24 hours.
The Jets could choose to take Dubois to arbitration themselves, removing the offer sheet threat and ensuring that he is under contract in Winnipeg.
Dubois would have the option to choose between a one- and two-year term on the arbitration award, meaning he could still decide to walk himself straight to unrestricted free agency in 2024. The threat of his departure would endure but this summer’s gamesmanship could be brought to a close: Winnipeg would not only have Dubois under contract but it would be a fair one, not inflated by an offer sheet. Their cap picture would be more manageable this year and next they manage to keep him happy enough to play, while his price point should remain appealing to teams by trade. Note that the minimum award for this arbitration would be $6.65 million — equivalent to Dubois’ base salary in 2021-22.
It’s also possible that a third-party team beats Montreal’s trade offer knowing that Dubois at $6.65 or thereabouts is a tremendously valuable player — even as a two-year rental.
It’s rare for a team to elect for arbitration — rarer still when the player can choose a contract length that takes him straight to unrestricted free agency.
But given everything we’ve seen so far, it may be in Winnipeg’s best interest all the same.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jul 18, 2022 14:16:31 GMT -5
After getting jerked around by quebec born players on other teams, I'll believe the hype when PLD is wearing the jersey
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Post by Cranky on Jul 18, 2022 14:38:34 GMT -5
If I wanted to play for my favorite team I would make it known to the known universe....and do exactly what he did to Columbus by mailing it in. Overtly. Game after game.
Petry did it to us so it's fair play.
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Post by jkr on Jul 18, 2022 15:17:31 GMT -5
I'm really suspicious of a guy that never seems to be satisfied. He played his way out of Columbus ( Gaudreau should have talked to him first)  . After a couple of years in Winnipeg and now he wants out? What happens when he's spent several seasons in Montreal and the media is all over him And he suddenly doesn't want the spotlight on him.? Does he ask for a trade or just start mailing it in again? No thanks. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 19, 2022 17:38:23 GMT -5
I know lots of posters wanted to keep Poehling, but in his Pittsburgh press conference he revealed he asked to be traded.
It’s a long list of first round draft picks , coincidentally all centers, that did not like how they were being treated (and not trusted )
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 19, 2022 21:36:48 GMT -5
I know lots of posters wanted to keep Poehling, but in his Pittsburgh press conference he revealed he asked to be traded. It’s a long list of first round draft picks , coincidentally all centers, that did not like how they were being treated (and not trusted ) Interesting. I did not know that. I don't blame him though. Wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 19, 2022 22:48:02 GMT -5
I know lots of posters wanted to keep Poehling, but in his Pittsburgh press conference he revealed he asked to be traded. It’s a long list of first round draft picks , coincidentally all centers, that did not like how they were being treated (and not trusted ) Interesting. I did not know that. I don't blame him though. Wasn't exactly put in a position to succeed. I would have asked to be traded. He, like most of the youngins had trouble with MB's non-existent development plan. Last year with all our injuries and terrible record Poehling should have been given every opportunity to play, and with good players - not Armia and Pez. I read that altho a small sample size, when he played with Cole or Gally he had pretty good Corsi. He's also at the age where centres start to break out. Still think he'll be a very good 3C with his size, skating, and head for the game. And if he can find the offence anywhere close to his NHL debut maybe a 2C. |
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Post by The Habitual Fan on Jul 20, 2022 9:10:17 GMT -5
Hughes was not dealing from a position of strength with Petry. He held on to him last year and waited for a deal where he didnt have to retain salary or get nothing back.
Matheson may not be great but he is solid and only 28. There must have been potential when he was given an 8 year contract by Florida. Covid also slowed down key development time for him at 26-27 years old.
He wants to be in Montreal, can play 20 minutes a night and is a good leader, so fair value considering the circumstance.
Poehling had one job to do in the past two years and that was beat out Jake Evans for that center position, which he could not do. Good chance he wouldn't do it again this year and probably not cleared waivers, so moving him was the better move.
Poehling may become a decent depth center, but did losing Eller or Chipchura really affect the Canadiens chances at winning anything?
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Post by Skilly on Jul 20, 2022 10:34:57 GMT -5
Hughes was not dealing from a position of strength with Petry. He held on to him last year and waited for a deal where he didnt have to retain salary or get nothing back. Matheson may not be great but he is solid and only 28. There must have been potential when he was given an 8 year contract by Florida. Covid also slowed down key development time for him at 26-27 years old. He wants to be in Montreal, can play 20 minutes a night and is a good leader, so fair value considering the circumstance. Poehling had one job to do in the past two years and that was beat out Jake Evans for that center position, which he could not do. Good chance he wouldn't do it again this year and probably not cleared waivers, so moving him was the better move. Poehling may become a decent depth center, but did losing Eller or Chipchura really affect the Canadiens chances at winning anything? That’s where I land on this too, but coming at it from a different angle. Yes, Poehling had to beat out Evans, BUT only after we acquired Christian Dvorak. If the goal last year was to finish last (and we all know it was the goal), then why not put Poehling as your second line center? Did acquiring Dvorak accomplish anything? If we didn’t trade for Dvorak it is very likely Filip Bystedt or Maverick Lamaroux is a Hab today. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 20, 2022 11:39:25 GMT -5
Hughes was not dealing from a position of strength with Petry. He held on to him last year and waited for a deal where he didnt have to retain salary or get nothing back. Matheson may not be great but he is solid and only 28. There must have been potential when he was given an 8 year contract by Florida. Covid also slowed down key development time for him at 26-27 years old. He wants to be in Montreal, can play 20 minutes a night and is a good leader, so fair value considering the circumstance. Poehling had one job to do in the past two years and that was beat out Jake Evans for that center position, which he could not do. Good chance he wouldn't do it again this year and probably not cleared waivers, so moving him was the better move. Poehling may become a decent depth center, but did losing Eller or Chipchura really affect the Canadiens chances at winning anything? That’s where I land on this too, but coming at it from a different angle. Yes, Poehling had to beat out Evans, BUT only after we acquired Christian Dvorak. If the goal last year was to finish last (and we all know it was the goal), then why not put Poehling as your second line center? Did acquiring Dvorak accomplish anything? If we didn’t trade for Dvorak it is very likely Filip Bystedt or Maverick Lamaroux is a Hab today. In hindsight, what a difference not trading for Dvorak and signing Hoffman, resigning Armia in the offseason would of made. Like you mentioned above, we would have that pick back plus our 2024 2nd rounder back and we would have some more cap space this summer and the following next few seasons. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 20, 2022 11:48:21 GMT -5
This probably isn't a popular opinion, but at this point in time, I'd pass on PLD ... I know he wants to play in Montreal, and that he's a homegrown player (Rimouski), and that's great; however, I have a few red flags going up with bringing him in ... he had a well-documented feud with Torts, he dogged his play until he was traded, and now he's dictating to Winnipeg where he wants to be traded to ... that's just me, guys ... I know he's talented, and you can't teach that, but I've got a few red flags with this guy ... Cheers. |
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. After a couple of years in Winnipeg and now he wants out? 
