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Post by Cranky on Jul 20, 2022 17:06:54 GMT -5
Might as well try to get an all-in-one thread to gather in the Dubois saga.
Here is what Dubois said in the Athletic and it make sense that he wants to come back home to start his family. This should also erase any doubts WHY he is doing what he is doing and his motivation.
"Especially now, a long-term deal I could have a family, I could be in the last years of my career at that point. It’s not just what you want now, it’s what you want six years from now, five years from now, eight years from now. It’s not an easy decision to make,” Dubois said. “Everybody’s different, everybody has different motivations, everyone has different opinions of everything. It’s easy to judge people but, at the end of the day, we all have different mindsets in what is important to us and what is not.”
He's French Canadian so raising his family in this environment is not only ok, but maybe a priority for him. Not everyone is motivated just by money. I don't know about his extended family, but chances are it's pretty huge and pretty important to him.
I am a fan because I'm hoping that a highly motivated beast like Dubois can lead us like no one else has in the last few decades. I grew up in the tail end of the Richard era and I have NOT forgotten what REAL pride means to some people. If Dubois is anywhere near that, not only do we want him here, we should consider CC expandable to get him.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 20, 2022 18:59:11 GMT -5
Pierre-Luc Dubois is doing what some high-profile Americans are doing to Canadian teams right now ... Adam Fox was drafted by the Flames who were told by him that he wanted to only play in New York ... he did well by it, as he has a Norris Trophy with the Rangers ... Matthew Tkachuk is doing this right now, as did Johnny Gaudreau when he bolted to Columbus ... still, I understand what PLD wants to do, I just don't like the vehicle he's using to get his way ... just be patient, dude, and finish out your contract ... I feel the same way about the Yanks wanting to play in their own country, and as with PLD, I do not like the vehicles they're using ... it's a disturbing trend that reminds me of the Alexei Ya$hin fiasco in Ottawa a few years back ... he demanded that the Senators renegotiate his contract despite having one more year on it ... it didn't go well for Ya$hin, as the Superior Court of Ontario ruled that the class action lawsuit, C27.5 million, against Ya$hin and his agent, Mark Gandler, filed by Ottawa's season ticket holders ... IIRC, even the NHLPA was mad at him ... PLD will avoid this because he already said he'd wait until he was a UFA to sign with the Habs ... these other guys, OTOH ... any future court cases? ... not so sure of that ... Cheers.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 20, 2022 19:44:01 GMT -5
Pierre-Luc Dubois is doing what some high-profile Americans are doing to Canadian teams right now ... Adam Fox was drafted by the Flames who were told by him that he wanted to only play in New York ... he did well by it, as he has a Norris Trophy with the Rangers ... Matthew Tkachuk is doing this right now, as did Johnny Gaudreau when he bolted to Columbus ... still, I understand what PLD wants to do, I just don't like the vehicle he's using to get his way ... just be patient, dude, and finish out your contract ... I feel the same way about the Yanks wanting to play in their own country, and as with PLD, I do not like the vehicles they're using ... it's a disturbing trend that reminds me of the Alexei Ya$hin fiasco in Ottawa a few years back ... he demanded that the Senators renegotiate his contract despite having one more year on it ... it didn't go well for Ya$hin, as the Superior Court of Ontario ruled that the class action lawsuit, C27.5 million, against Ya$hin and his agent, Mark Gandler, filed by Ottawa's season ticket holders ... IIRC, even the NHLPA was mad at him ... PLD will avoid this because he already said he'd wait until he was a UFA to sign with the Habs ... these other guys, OTOH ... any future court cases? ... not so sure of that ... Cheers. Yashin and Dubois are not the same motivation. Yashin just wanted money, Dubois is about going home and build his family. if we take that as real and face value, can't argue with the guy or his motivation. If Dubois was about money, I would hate the guy and don't want him anywhere neat the Habs. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 20, 2022 20:41:29 GMT -5
I like Dubois and find his desire to play in Montreal to be credible. However, I would not pay an exorbitant price to get him now.
Winnipeg does not have cave in, but in reality the Jets' organization does not have a lot of leverage because if Dubois refuses to sign beyond the 2023-24 season with whoever they trade him to, then in reality his value will be seriously compromised.
Montreal is a dumpster fire on the blueline and in net, so there is no way the Habs should even contemplate paying first round picks for Dubois. I would be willing to give the Jets something along the lines of Dach, Mysak or Evans, Colorado's second rounder in 2024, Hoffman, and Norlinder. However, the question remains if Hughes and Gorton believe in Dach then why pay a king's ransom to acquire Dubois? Why did they overpay (my opinion) by a bit to acquire Dach if they project he is not a second line centre?
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Post by Cranky on Jul 20, 2022 20:58:14 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after.
Talk to his agent or secret heart to heart with him in the back of McDonald's.
TRUE STORY...like drug dealer, I met my biggest customer behind McDonald's and showed him my product. That was worth mid 8 figures in business. It was a decade long running joke.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 20, 2022 22:17:34 GMT -5
Pierre-Luc Dubois is doing what some high-profile Americans are doing to Canadian teams right now ... Adam Fox was drafted by the Flames who were told by him that he wanted to only play in New York ... he did well by it, as he has a Norris Trophy with the Rangers ... Matthew Tkachuk is doing this right now, as did Johnny Gaudreau when he bolted to Columbus ... still, I understand what PLD wants to do, I just don't like the vehicle he's using to get his way ... just be patient, dude, and finish out your contract ... I feel the same way about the Yanks wanting to play in their own country, and as with PLD, I do not like the vehicles they're using ... it's a disturbing trend that reminds me of the Alexei Ya$hin fiasco in Ottawa a few years back ... he demanded that the Senators renegotiate his contract despite having one more year on it ... it didn't go well for Ya$hin, as the Superior Court of Ontario ruled that the class action lawsuit, C27.5 million, against Ya$hin and his agent, Mark Gandler, filed by Ottawa's season ticket holders ... IIRC, even the NHLPA was mad at him ... PLD will avoid this because he already said he'd wait until he was a UFA to sign with the Habs ... these other guys, OTOH ... any future court cases? ... not so sure of that ... Cheers. Yashin and Dubois are not the same motivation. Yashin just wanted money, Dubois is about going home and build his family. if we take that as real and face value, can't argue with the guy or his motivation. This is probably how many US-born players feel too ... see Jeff Petry ... being separated from your family affects your whole life ... where I was going with Alexei Ya$hin was breach of contract ... if whichever player refuses to report, while still under contract, they'd be suspended by their clubs ... Ya$hin didn't honour his contract; however, Pierre-Luc Dubois has every intention of doing so ... he can still get to Montreal in two years, and he seems good with that, too ... all that said, I'd still pass on a trade for him right now (for reasons I cited before) ... we can guess what the package would be, but I think it would probably put a small dent in the prospect pool ... Cheers. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 21, 2022 0:26:48 GMT -5
If Dubs wants to come to Mtl for family reasons and coming home, I'll believe it when I see the hometown discount.
In any event, I don't want him now. 1) If he's so set on Mtl as he claims then he will be here in 2 years time, no need for us to rush; 2) in two years time we will get him as a FA without giving up any assets, or we can do it next year and still give up fewer assets then now; 3) we are not ready to compete so better we have another awful year and get some good picks next year; and 4) let's see how Dach and Dvo, and even Evans play this next year.
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 21, 2022 8:16:31 GMT -5
I agree. There is no rush to trade for him. Especially for prospects or picks. If it was to clear up cap space, like Gallagher and Dvorak, then yes I would do it.
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Post by PTH on Jul 21, 2022 9:06:18 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after. Dvorak, Florida's 1st (top 5 or top 10 protected) and a non high end prospect is pretty much the highest I'd go. Someone else will need to be included for cap reasons, as well. And this assumes we get a deal in place for a 7 year contract without a NMC. If he asks out, we need to be able to recoup value for him. Sadly, I'd say there are strong odds this happens. |
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Post by mikeg on Jul 21, 2022 9:15:45 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after. Talk to his agent or secret heart to heart with him in the back of McDonald's. TRUE STORY...like drug dealer, I met my biggest customer behind McDonald's and showed him my product. That was worth mid 8 figures in business. It was a decade long running joke. I'd rather hold onto the 1st and even Dvo at this point. Why bother overpaying here? We are pretty much assured he will sign with us in 2 years when our window is opening. We can hold onto Dvo and even flip him in the next year or 2 at the deadline for assets (he would fetch a 1st + ). If Winnipeg really can't do anything then they will either play stubborn and get nothing for him or get lowballed because any team acquiring him knows it will be short term. PLD will only hurt the tank this season, and who knows what happens to the Panthers... what if they just stink up the joint, have injuries, etc. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 21, 2022 11:56:42 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after. Talk to his agent or secret heart to heart with him in the back of McDonald's. TRUE STORY...like drug dealer, I met my biggest customer behind McDonald's and showed him my product. That was worth mid 8 figures in business. It was a decade long running joke. I'd rather hold onto the 1st and even Dvo at this point. Why bother overpaying here? We are pretty much assured he will sign with us in 2 years when our window is opening. We can hold onto Dvo and even flip him in the next year or 2 at the deadline for assets (he would fetch a 1st + ). If Winnipeg really can't do anything then they will either play stubborn and get nothing for him or get lowballed because any team acquiring him knows it will be short term. PLD will only hurt the tank this season, and who knows what happens to the Panthers... what if they just stink up the joint, have injuries, etc. Well, we can get him signed now for a more reasonable number than once the cap starts going up. I'd rather sign him now for 7M than in 2 years for 9M, and have him at that number up to 33 or 34, when he is likely to be going downhill faster than 2 years before. Also, 2 years is a chance for things to change quite a bit... I'd add that my offer, to me, is a lukewarm one. Not enough for Winnipeg to jump on it, but enough so they feel they can accept if they just want to move on. It's a fair bet there will be better offers from teams thinking they can get him to love their team and their city. A place like Ottawa, close to Quebec and with a hot young team, might be a lot of fun to play on. |
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Post by jkr on Jul 21, 2022 12:15:47 GMT -5
It doesn't have much to do with the discussion but I was thinking about Dubois vs. Tkachuk.
At least PLD has given Winnipeg 2 years notice. Seems like Tkachuk has just bailed on Calgary without any notice at all.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 21, 2022 13:07:44 GMT -5
I'd hold onto Florida's pick. They're going to blow up next year and have one of those San Jose seasons where they finish 4th last or something and we'll look back on Ben Chiarot with glowing, loving eyes. (Well, sort of).
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Post by PTH on Jul 21, 2022 13:11:25 GMT -5
I'd hold onto Florida's pick. They're going to blow up next year and have one of those San Jose seasons where they finish 4th last or something and we'll look back on Ben Chiarot with glowing, loving eyes. (Well, sort of). Which is why I'd make that pick top 5 or top 10 protected. The problem then is what happens if it's in that top handful: how do you make that up ? It's not like you'd want to give up our first for 2024... which is just as likely to be in the top handful. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 21, 2022 14:16:45 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after. Talk to his agent or secret heart to heart with him in the back of McDonald's. TRUE STORY...like drug dealer, I met my biggest customer behind McDonald's and showed him my product. That was worth mid 8 figures in business. It was a decade long running joke. I'd rather hold onto the 1st and even Dvo at this point. Why bother overpaying here? We are pretty much assured he will sign with us in 2 years when our window is opening. We can hold onto Dvo and even flip him in the next year or 2 at the deadline for assets (he would fetch a 1st + ). If Winnipeg really can't do anything then they will either play stubborn and get nothing for him or get lowballed because any team acquiring him knows it will be short term. PLD will only hurt the tank this season, and who knows what happens to the Panthers... what if they just stink up the joint, have injuries, etc. A bit of a sticking point is that the guy call the Habs "home". We can't do anything to dispel that and if it is his motivation, we have to feed it. Obviously he wont demand we pay a kings ransom but we have to be seen to be active. |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 21, 2022 14:20:29 GMT -5
I would pay Dvorak, Panthers 1st and B prospect. I know it's only for two years and we get him for nothing after. Dvorak, Florida's 1st (top 5 or top 10 protected) and a non high end prospect is pretty much the highest I'd go. Someone else will need to be included for cap reasons, as well. And this assumes we get a deal in place for a 7 year contract without a NMC. If he asks out, we need to be able to recoup value for him. Sadly, I'd say there are strong odds this happens. It isn't a huge price to pay for two years of his prime. Also, despite our putrid defense, if Price is really back and we load our front end with Dubois, Suzuki, CC, Slaf and Dach, assuming anywhere near their potential, cripes, that is a monster front end. |
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Post by seventeen on Jul 21, 2022 15:39:43 GMT -5
I'd hold onto Florida's pick. They're going to blow up next year and have one of those San Jose seasons where they finish 4th last or something and we'll look back on Ben Chiarot with glowing, loving eyes. (Well, sort of). Which is why I'd make that pick top 5 or top 10 protected. The problem then is what happens if it's in that top handful: how do you make that up ? It's not like you'd want to give up our first for 2024... which is just as likely to be in the top handful. At some point the kids are going to improve. I can see this year being a real learning curve, but next year, especially with the development on D of Barron, Guhle, Norlinder, we should be much better back there. I'm completely disregarding Hutson, Struble, Mailloux and any others who may take yet one or two more years to mature. Defense is going to be a strength and Matheson won't be over the hill either. Goal may be another thing. Have to hope one of Vrbetic, Dichow or Dobes pushes Primeau. Hell, goalies are such a strange group, you cant predict anything from them. Who would have thought Binnington would become a SC winning goalie? Or we end up trading for a slighty better than average goalie. Not the costliest thing going. |
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Post by PTH on Jul 21, 2022 16:01:32 GMT -5
Which is why I'd make that pick top 5 or top 10 protected. The problem then is what happens if it's in that top handful: how do you make that up ? It's not like you'd want to give up our first for 2024... which is just as likely to be in the top handful. At some point the kids are going to improve. I can see this year being a real learning curve, but next year, especially with the development on D of Barron, Guhle, Norlinder, we should be much better back there. I'm completely disregarding Hutson, Struble, Mailloux and any others who may take yet one or two more years to mature. Defense is going to be a strength and Matheson won't be over the hill either. Goal may be another thing. Have to hope one of Vrbetic, Dichow or Dobes pushes Primeau. Hell, goalies are such a strange group, you cant predict anything from them. Who would have thought Binnington would become a SC winning goalie? Or we end up trading for a slighty better than average goalie. Not the costliest thing going. Perhaps by 2024 we'll be in the playoff hunt, finishing around 10-15th... but we've just seen how a team can fall off the rails, going from the finals to league-worst over a single summer. So I wouldn't want to take any bets on where we finish in 2024 without that bet being hedged somehow - 3 2nds, whatever it takes, but this would be something I wouldn't bend on - we can't be giving up a potential top 5 pick for Dubois. |
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Post by Douper on Jul 21, 2022 17:14:22 GMT -5
Pierre-Luc Dubois is doing what some high-profile Americans are doing to Canadian teams right now ... Adam Fox was drafted by the Flames who were told by him that he wanted to only play in New York ... he did well by it, as he has a Norris Trophy with the Rangers ... Matthew Tkachuk is doing this right now, as did Johnny Gaudreau when he bolted to Columbus ... still, I understand what PLD wants to do, I just don't like the vehicle he's using to get his way ... just be patient, dude, and finish out your contract ... I feel the same way about the Yanks wanting to play in their own country, and as with PLD, I do not like the vehicles they're using ... it's a disturbing trend that reminds me of the Alexei Ya$hin fiasco in Ottawa a few years back ... he demanded that the Senators renegotiate his contract despite having one more year on it ... it didn't go well for Ya$hin, as the Superior Court of Ontario ruled that the class action lawsuit, C27.5 million, against Ya$hin and his agent, Mark Gandler, filed by Ottawa's season ticket holders ... IIRC, even the NHLPA was mad at him ... PLD will avoid this because he already said he'd wait until he was a UFA to sign with the Habs ... these other guys, OTOH ... any future court cases? ... not so sure of that ... Cheers. I tend to agree with the players. You have a very limited number of years to set yourself and your family for life. If you want to raise your family in Cleveland instead of Calgary, or Tampa instead of Mtl. it's the players right. I think Tkatchuk by at least telling Calgary he's not staying and telling them where he wants to go, it's creating a mini bidding war. Players have to take all the risk. Let them take the risk where they want. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jul 21, 2022 17:42:44 GMT -5
Montreal can't trade for Dubois this year. They need to finish in the bottom again. Every time we draft top 3 we try to get that eighth spot. We need 2 consecutive years of bottoming out to be successful long term.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 21, 2022 18:21:24 GMT -5
Pierre-Luc Dubois is doing what some high-profile Americans are doing to Canadian teams right now ... Adam Fox was drafted by the Flames who were told by him that he wanted to only play in New York ... he did well by it, as he has a Norris Trophy with the Rangers ... Matthew Tkachuk is doing this right now, as did Johnny Gaudreau when he bolted to Columbus ... still, I understand what PLD wants to do, I just don't like the vehicle he's using to get his way ... just be patient, dude, and finish out your contract ... I tend to agree with the players. You have a very limited number of years to set yourself and your family for life. If you want to raise your family in Cleveland instead of Calgary, or Tampa instead of Mtl. it's the players right. I think Tkatchuk by at least telling Calgary he's not staying and telling them where he wants to go, it's creating a mini bidding war. Players have to take all the risk. Let them take the risk where they want. There are businesses outside of hockey that try to accommodate their employees the same way ... I have several friends who are corrections officers and almost all of them started out having to work out of town, until an opening came up at one of the penitentiaries here in Kingston ... some of these guys waited up to 2 years ... it's a definite trend in the NHL, Douper ... something you can relate is having to deploy with the military, and how extended absences can affect a family ... don't know when the next CBA negotiations are, but they'd be wise to, at least, discuss it ... it's obviously a big deal to a lot of players, and it looks to be a trend ... Cheers. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 21, 2022 19:08:50 GMT -5
Even if Hughes would draw the line and say no first round picks, no Guhle, etc. it would still be questionable and complicated to acquire Dubois this summer.
It is questionable from a strategic standpoint because, as Tank and other have observed, Montreal needs to stay in a full-on rebuild for one more season. Finishing in the 20th or 22nd range serves no purpose. Hockey is debatable but for me this roster as presently constituted is easily bottom five bad and with the 2023 draft looking very star rich, selecting another uber talented offensive stud seems like an important piece of the puzzle.
It is complicated from a cap perspective because management is stuck right now with Price (next summer his permanent parking spot on LTIR could likely be already established as a mere formality) and a lot of overpaid untradeable wingers. So there is just no room this season to add a guy who will surely want no less than $8 million per if he is signing long-term.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 22, 2022 16:02:11 GMT -5
Even though i hate it, i agree that another bottom finish is going to help...butt...IF Price is ready to go and plays like he did a few years ago, we are not going to be bottom 5. Maybe not even bottom 10.
Assuming the above, our biggest hole is defense. There is no world that puts Ghule and Barron, maybe even Norlinder into the top 6 and comes up with anything resembling passable NHL defense.
Butt, we have Slaf and Dach that if we give ourself enough Hopium drugs, they can make a massive difference. I get this "fck you" vibe from Slaf that may make him our meany winie Tkachuk.
Soo..i dont know about waiting for Dubois. I rather sign him now for 8x8 then 10x8 in two years.
How do we get the clearance? Assuming Dvorak is going the other way, attach a second to Hoffman or Drouin. Btw..is there a Drouin?
Don't mind me, i get easily excited....
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Post by folatre on Jul 22, 2022 16:44:57 GMT -5
For sure, Price would rack up some wins if he could play like he did in the 2021 playoffs. However, years of surgeries and rehabs have a cumulative effect. Goalies who play effectively to their mid-30s and beyond (Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, etc.) are anomalies. The physical demands of the position are enormous.
I do not see Price staying healthy for any extended period of time. And with all due respect to Jake Allen, an Allen-Montembeault combo in net is not good. And the d-corps is likely even worse. So management could reasonably be envisioning a top five pick in 2023.
The Jets may prefer to move Dubois now just to remove the cloud of a guy who does not want to be there. But Cheveldayoff does not have to make any deal this summer which does not meet his ask. Next summer the situation will begin to take on greater urgency for Winnipeg.
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 23, 2022 1:36:04 GMT -5
Saga gets more intriguing. Dubs signs one year extension for $6 million. But will remain a RFA next year.
Initially my reaction was this is good for Mtl as we will not get Dubs this year and likely get him after we tank. However, I've read numerous articles indicating this is good for Mtl as more likely the trade is imminent. Some said this puts Chevaldai in much better position to trade Dubs to any team. None of the talking heads indicated why. I'm confused. Why does this make a trade to the Habs more imminent, or to any other team? Can't see why any gm other than Hughes would go anywhere near Dubs given his stated desire to go to the Habs. They would get him at most for a year before things would disintegrate quickly. What gm is going to give up anything substantial for that (can you say "rental"?).
But the bigger question is why does this extension make it more likely the Habs trade for him now for this season? I don't get it. How does this extension change anything for Habs this season?
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Post by seventeen on Jul 23, 2022 2:07:23 GMT -5
I'm a glutton for punishment (just ask Madame Marie), so I want as many shots as possible at Bedard, or even Michkov if he falls because of the Russia factor. Getting PLD too soon hurts those probabilities so that's why I'm not that keen on getting him now. Maybe after the season is over and our draft picks are fixed in stone. I'm liking that Florida pick more with each passing day. I had this ridiculous hope that they'd miss the playoffs and we'd get a second lottery pick. With this last trade, their defense is now Aaron Ekblad (really good, but injury prone), Brandon Montour, Gustav Forsling, Radko Gudas, Calle Sjalin (new to NHL 22 year old Swede, similar to our Norlinder), Lucas Carlsson (3rd pair type) and Marc Staal (Florida's Geritol expense is going up). If Spencer Knight doesn't have a great year and Bobrovsky is as inconsistent as he's shown the last few years, I'm liking our chances more and more. Terrific forwards, but without Weegar they lose a lot of good transition play. Tkachuk's not a tangible improvement on Huburdeau, The top 2 lines are dynamite, but that bottom 6 ain't so attractive. Lundell is a good player, but Duclair is out for a long time. Just a couple of key injuries to say, Ekblad and Barkov and we're in business.   |
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Post by Cranky on Jul 23, 2022 5:33:50 GMT -5
Saga gets more intriguing. Dubs signs one year extension for $6 million. But will remain a RFA next year. Initially my reaction was this is good for Mtl as we will not get Dubs this year and likely get him after we tank. However, I've read numerous articles indicating this is good for Mtl as more likely the trade is imminent. Some said this puts Chevaldai in much better position to trade Dubs to any team. None of the talking heads indicated why. I'm confused. Why does this make a trade to the Habs more imminent, or to any other team? Can't see why any gm other than Hughes would go anywhere near Dubs given his stated desire to go to the Habs. They would get him at most for a year before things would disintegrate quickly. What gm is going to give up anything substantial for that (can you say "rental"?). But the bigger question is why does this extension make it more likely the Habs trade for him now for this season? I don't get it. How does this extension change anything for Habs this season? This was a duress signing. Basically, as far as I know, if Dubois didn't accept now, Jets could stretch it till November. This of course is highly motivational for Dubois, it basically cements an antagonistic relationship. Do not be suprised if he mails it in. Which means nothing for us and his future. If I was him, I would ice graze with the best of them. "Oh my sore butt"...... |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 23, 2022 7:06:02 GMT -5
Saga gets more intriguing. Dubs signs one year extension for $6 million. But will remain a RFA next year. Initially my reaction was this is good for Mtl as we will not get Dubs this year and likely get him after we tank. However, I've read numerous articles indicating this is good for Mtl as more likely the trade is imminent. Some said this puts Chevaldai in much better position to trade Dubs to any team. None of the talking heads indicated why. I'm confused. Why does this make a trade to the Habs more imminent, or to any other team? Can't see why any gm other than Hughes would go anywhere near Dubs given his stated desire to go to the Habs. They would get him at most for a year before things would disintegrate quickly. What gm is going to give up anything substantial for that (can you say "rental"?). But the bigger question is why does this extension make it more likely the Habs trade for him now for this season? I don't get it. How does this extension change anything for Habs this season? Because now he is cheaper for one season, and Montreal know how much cap space they'd need to clear to get him. Dubois at 6 million, is much easier to trade than what Dubois would have gotten through arbitration or even if he signed an 8x8 deal with Winnipeg and said now trade me |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 23, 2022 10:43:56 GMT -5
Saga gets more intriguing. Dubs signs one year extension for $6 million. But will remain a RFA next year. Initially my reaction was this is good for Mtl as we will not get Dubs this year and likely get him after we tank. However, I've read numerous articles indicating this is good for Mtl as more likely the trade is imminent. Some said this puts Chevaldai in much better position to trade Dubs to any team. None of the talking heads indicated why. I'm confused. Why does this make a trade to the Habs more imminent, or to any other team? Can't see why any gm other than Hughes would go anywhere near Dubs given his stated desire to go to the Habs. They would get him at most for a year before things would disintegrate quickly. What gm is going to give up anything substantial for that (can you say "rental"?). But the bigger question is why does this extension make it more likely the Habs trade for him now for this season? I don't get it. How does this extension change anything for Habs this season? This was a duress signing. Basically, as far as I know, if Dubois didn't accept now, Jets could stretch it till November. This of course is highly motivational for Dubois, it basically cements an antagonistic relationship. Do not be suprised if he mails it in. Which means nothing for us and his future. If I was him, I would ice graze with the best of them. "Oh my sore butt"...... He's likely to be booed by Jets fans whether he grazes or not. Understandably they are pissed with not only how he is undermining the team but dissing their homeland. What I know of him, I don't think being booed by his home fans every game will sit well with him. Jets will have to move quickly: they should grab the Dvo. Hoffman, and or Drouin. My guess is it will be Josh and some throw ins. |
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Post by habsorbed on Jul 23, 2022 10:55:58 GMT -5
Saga gets more intriguing. Dubs signs one year extension for $6 million. But will remain a RFA next year. Initially my reaction was this is good for Mtl as we will not get Dubs this year and likely get him after we tank. However, I've read numerous articles indicating this is good for Mtl as more likely the trade is imminent. Some said this puts Chevaldai in much better position to trade Dubs to any team. None of the talking heads indicated why. I'm confused. Why does this make a trade to the Habs more imminent, or to any other team? Can't see why any gm other than Hughes would go anywhere near Dubs given his stated desire to go to the Habs. They would get him at most for a year before things would disintegrate quickly. What gm is going to give up anything substantial for that (can you say "rental"?). But the bigger question is why does this extension make it more likely the Habs trade for him now for this season? I don't get it. How does this extension change anything for Habs this season? Because now he is cheaper for one season, and Montreal know how much cap space they'd need to clear to get him. Dubois at 6 million, is much easier to trade than what Dubois would have gotten through arbitration or even if he signed an 8x8 deal with Winnipeg and said now trade me I hear what you're saying. But as I understand it, Dubs and Brisson have by league rules been able to talk to Habs before this extension was signed. Presumably, they would be talking about extension or long term deal if he was traded to Habs. So Habs could have agreed to same $6 million extension or anything else the parties wanted. So I still don't see how this changes the equation for the Habs. And I would be stunned if another team went anywhere near Dubs even if they know it's $6 million for another year, and if they were interested, they ain't giving up much for a 1 year deal. So I still don't see how the extension changes much. |
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