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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jul 20, 2022 18:14:57 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Jul 21, 2022 5:27:45 GMT -5
He said the same thing last year
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Post by jkr on Jul 21, 2022 8:14:08 GMT -5
If he has good hockey left, it will be wasted with this edition of the Habs.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Jul 21, 2022 10:59:04 GMT -5
Honestly, I cannot take what Waite is saying as anything relevant right now. In his recent presser, Hughes said Price’s knee inflames once he gets back in the ice and starts doing goalie movements. As such, they won’t know his status for quite a while yet.
And Waite’s glowing comments about Primeau are way overblown. The guy’s hockey IQ and ability to stay ahead of the puck (key in order for a goalie to be square to the puck) are not yet where they need to be to be a consistent NHL goalie. As such he must rely on athleticism to make up for being behind the play a bit. Goalies these days are best when they are not moving that much because they anticipate the position and get square to the puck. Shooters will try all sorts of deception to get goalies moving again. I really liked Primeau’s playoffs, but his regular season was bad. He needs a full and consistent AHL season this year to really show he has improved his anticipation and his mental toughness.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 21, 2022 13:02:36 GMT -5
He said the same thing last year If I recall, he warned that Price had some 'other' physical health issues and was not like MA Fleury, who he compared to Gumbo. Not that I'm suggesting he's telling the truth today (how would he know? Are he and Price even talking?), but that's what I remember from last year. |
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Post by Skilly on Jul 21, 2022 17:16:36 GMT -5
He said the same thing last year If I recall, he warned that Price had some 'other' physical health issues and was not like MA Fleury, who he compared to Gumbo. Not that I'm suggesting he's telling the truth today (how would he know? Are he and Price even talking?), but that's what I remember from last year. Reports last year after Price’s surgery were that that surgery was a success and he’d be ready to go by September. His other “issues” were only revealed in October |
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Post by folatre on Jul 21, 2022 19:18:01 GMT -5
Good points regarding Primeau, NW.
This 'news' provided by Waite about Price seems like the same old, same old. Degenerative knee and hip issues are not, unfortunately, reversible. Playing net at an NHL level is physically demanding, incredibly so. Once the body starts breaking down, more surgeries and more rehabs are not a silver bullet.
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Post by jkr on Jul 21, 2022 19:49:52 GMT -5
Price said himself at the year end PC that he was unsure if he could play a full season. Has Waite forgotten that? Can an injection of platelet rich plasma undue years of wear and tear on his body?
As folatre says, once the injuries start to accumulate the player starts a decline. The Leafs are going to find that out about Murray who also has concussion issues to deal with.
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Post by seventeen on Jul 22, 2022 12:36:08 GMT -5
If I recall, he warned that Price had some 'other' physical health issues and was not like MA Fleury, who he compared to Gumbo. Not that I'm suggesting he's telling the truth today (how would he know? Are he and Price even talking?), but that's what I remember from last year. Reports last year after Price’s surgery were that that surgery was a success and he’d be ready to go by September. His other “issues” were only revealed in October Again, using my less than reliable memory, I believe Waite made those comments after he had been fired, but referring to a time a few months before that. I'm guessing around February of the year he was fired. He was still working for the team and with Price. The impression I got was that Waite may have been defending his work by suggesting Price's injuries were not something that was going to go away. This most recent comment that he'll be healthy come September definitely goes against that sentiment. |
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Post by Skilly on Aug 18, 2022 18:00:45 GMT -5
And here we go AGAIN
In Hughes press conference today he confirmed Price will NOT be ready for September. Rehab is not going well for Price. And with current progress they do not expect Price to play this year
Two years in a row that Waite told us he'd be good to go .... this team needs to move on from Price. Either draft or trade for a reliable #1, or one we don't have to wait 2 years for "all to be revealed". Still waiting for the answer to that Angela. Bueller ...Bueller ...Bueller ...
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Post by folatre on Aug 18, 2022 19:48:55 GMT -5
Waite should see if there are any job openings in the Russian Ministry of Defense or Foreign Affairs because he certainly is not hesitant to make pronouncements that are divorced from reality.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 18, 2022 22:42:44 GMT -5
I'm done with no Price is right. Just go on LTIR and enjoy your 120 million. You're done and now just an anchor.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 19, 2022 0:40:07 GMT -5
I'm done with no Price is right. Just go on LTIR and enjoy your 120 million. You're done and now just an anchor. Yup! It's over. Gotta start looking for a goalie who will be able to help us in a few years when we can contend. A lot of teams (ie. Leafs, Oil) have great talent up front from high draft picks, but no goaltending. It's a killer. Fact is, whether Carey recovers or not, he will not be able to help us in a few years when we can contend. Another huge hole for Hughes to fill. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 19, 2022 10:23:18 GMT -5
I agree that Hughes will have to be thinking strategically about when is the right moment to make a move for goalie. I would imagine this would basically coincide with Montreal being a good team again.
However, I am not pessimistic about Primeau's future. He is maturing, as evidenced by the Rocket's post season run, and I believe he will have a NHL career. But thus far he is not profiling as a number one. I am curious to see how he performs with a heavy workload in Laval this season. I know he is waiver exempt for 2022-23. Is that the case also for 2023-24?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Aug 19, 2022 10:35:25 GMT -5
I agree that Hughes will have to be thinking strategically about when is the right moment to make a move for goalie. I would imagine this would basically coincide with Montreal being a good team again. However, I am not pessimistic about Primeau's future. He is maturing, as evidenced by the Rocket's post season run, and I believe he will have a NHL career. But thus far he is not profiling as a number one. I am curious to see how he performs with a heavy workload in Laval this season. I know he is waiver exempt for 2022-23. Is that the case also for 2023-24? Primeau will require waivers in 2023-24. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 19, 2022 14:26:45 GMT -5
It's time to allocate 5 million for a goalie. Markstrom at his early 30s was a good signing for calgary and we got to do the same thing.
I thought Samsonov would of been a good risk with some learning upside. Montehole is never going to be a starter so his signing is goose down filler.
Primeau? I don't know. He would of shown flashes of elite by now and he hasn't.
Houston...we got a serious net problem.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Aug 19, 2022 17:55:01 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Aug 19, 2022 19:01:39 GMT -5
No doubt Carey carried the team on his back for most of his career. BUT , it does not go unnoticed by me, that every time we had a team he did not have to carry (or not carry as much), he got injured . And Carey made a few bad decisions along the way to exacerbate injuries |
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Post by CentreHice on Aug 19, 2022 20:07:59 GMT -5
Price's prime was wasted, in terms of building a team to match.
A great goalie on mediocre teams--our runaway MVP.
Reminded me of Hasek in Buffalo...but the Dominator enjoyed better scoring in front of him.
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 19, 2022 21:26:08 GMT -5
Can't even start talking about number retirement until he's inducted into the Hall of Fame. Call me old fashion and a traditionalist, but if you can't be recognized by the league as one of the best, then don't even think about being recognized by Les Glorieux.
Not saying Carey won't get into the Hall, I'd vote for him, but won't get into the debate of number retirement until the Hall comes knocking.
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Post by folatre on Aug 19, 2022 23:24:23 GMT -5
Basically Price was an elite top of his game goalie during the entirety of his 20s. The numbers from that portion of his career are awe-inspiring.
However, his body of work since reaching age 30 is not very good. Obviously much of this drop off has to do with injuries piling up and becoming of a degenerative nature. Guys like Hasek, Brodeur, and Roy were freaks of nature in so much as they consistently delivered at the highest level at a more advanced age.
I think Price deserves to be in the HOF. Montreal is a different beast because of its historical legacy which is not even close to being match by any other club, so I would not say that Price automatically deserves his number hung from the rafters.
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Post by Willie Dog on Aug 20, 2022 7:47:24 GMT -5
Imo, the one common denominator in having your jersey retired is cups .. Carey has zero so no jersey retirement... HoF yes...
A ring of honor might have been nice to have but that would have been quite the ring.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 20, 2022 16:22:20 GMT -5
Hall of Fane??
Are you guys serious?? For what? Name recognition and one Olympic gold that I could have been the goalie and that team wins?
Do this little exercise. Compare Carey Price's stats to Jaroslav Halak. Is Halak a Hall of Famer!
Compare to Johnathan Quick. Is he a Hall of Famer! And he has a Cup!
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Post by habsorbed on Aug 21, 2022 11:44:45 GMT -5
Hall of Fane?? Are you guys serious?? For what? Name recognition and one Olympic gold that I could have been the goalie and that team wins? Do this little exercise. Compare Carey Price's stats to Jaroslav Halak. Is Halak a Hall of Famer! Compare to Johnathan Quick. Is he a Hall of Famer! And he has a Cup! He was the best goalie of his era. His resume is certainly worthy of HoF consideration: Won World Juniors and was Tourney MVP; Won Calder Cup NHL all rookie team Gold Medal at Olympics with shut outs in the semi final and final game (you say he played behind a strong team which he did, but he was chosen the MVP goalie of the tourney, and the semi final game against the US was a 1-0 win, so no room for error on the 31 shots he faced) Hart Trophy winner 7 All-Star game appearances Vezina Trophy Most wins in the storied history of the Montreal Canadiens Won the World Cup Bill Masteron Memorial Trophy His misfortune was playing for Habs teams that had no one else. Halak has never established himself as a true #1 goalie. You may not like it, but I'd be stunned if Carey doesn't get inducted. |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 21, 2022 14:13:38 GMT -5
I really don't care if Price is in the Hall of Fame and i really don't want to see his jersey in the rafters.
He did his job, he got paid, he played the "woe is me" to perfection last year and now he's retired at 10.5 million a year for 3 more years. That is 150 million and living like a king.
Sorry, i don't see Price even in the same galaxy like other great Habs.
Moving on...
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Post by Skilly on Aug 21, 2022 14:14:05 GMT -5
Hall of Fane?? Are you guys serious?? For what? Name recognition and one Olympic gold that I could have been the goalie and that team wins? Do this little exercise. Compare Carey Price's stats to Jaroslav Halak. Is Halak a Hall of Famer! Compare to Johnathan Quick. Is he a Hall of Famer! And he has a Cup! He was the best goalie of his era. His resume is certainly worthy of HoF consideration: Won World Juniors and was Tourney MVP; Won Calder Cup NHL all rookie team Gold Medal at Olympics with shut outs in the semi final and final game (you say he played behind a strong team which he did, but he was chosen the MVP goalie of the tourney, and the semi final game against the US was a 1-0 win, so no room for error on the 31 shots he faced) Hart Trophy winner 7 All-Star game appearances Vezina Trophy Most wins in the storied history of the Montreal Canadiens Won the World Cup Bill Masteron Memorial Trophy His misfortune was playing for Habs teams that had no one else. Halak has never established himself as a true #1 goalie. You may not like it, but I'd be stunned if Carey doesn't get inducted. He is NOT the best goalie of his era. There was a goalie that was drafted 67 picks AFTER Carey Price. And Carey Price himself would switch careers with in a heart beat 2 time Stanley Cup Champion 2 time Jennings Tropy winner Conn Smythe winner NHL record for highest save percentage in a season I’m not sure why this counts but ok - most wins in LA Kings history. (Two less than Price). Edit: I’m not saying Quick is the best of his generation either. Just Price has a lot of name recognition. Another Edit: we’d need to set a criteria for evaluating the best goalie of a generation. But I got to think M-A Fluery would rise pretty high to the top with his 520 wins (the third most of all time) |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 21, 2022 15:07:51 GMT -5
No question he’s destined for the HHOF. His career save percentage and GAA are comparable to Luongo and Lundqvist who are in. He’s got the trophies and international gold medals. If Khabibulin and Kiprusoff are worthy then there’s no question that Price is. In some other cities he’d have his jersey retired, but not in Montreal.
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Post by Tankdriver on Aug 21, 2022 15:15:36 GMT -5
Saw this somewhere else. In his entire career with the habs, he has only played with one 80 point player being Kovalev. Last year alone Colorado had 4. Easier to win when you have a team in front of you.
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Post by Skilly on Aug 21, 2022 15:55:24 GMT -5
Saw this somewhere else. In his entire career with the habs, he has only played with one 80 point player being Kovalev. Last year alone Colorado had 4. Easier to win when you have a team in front of you. I saw that too. Quick - only twice had an 80 point player. His second season and his 10th season (both times it was Kopitar). They never won the Cup in either of those seasons either But he won 2 Cups, without 80 point players All these team / subjective analysis does not make the best of his generation. Will he be in the HOF? Yes. But not because of his NHL play. And only because name recognition matters to the Hall. But before Price gets in, there are a lot of goalies that should get in first |
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Post by seventeen on Aug 21, 2022 16:27:04 GMT -5
Hall of Fane?? Are you guys serious?? For what? Name recognition and one Olympic gold that I could have been the goalie and that team wins? Do this little exercise. Compare Carey Price's stats to Jaroslav Halak. Is Halak a Hall of Famer! Compare to Johnathan Quick. Is he a Hall of Famer! And he has a Cup! I haven't given this question much thought, but I did wonder about the support he was or wasn't given, considering that the great Marc Bergevin was the GM for almost all of Pricen's tenure. Mike Komisarek, Francis Bouillon, Yannick Weber, Marc Andre Bergeron, Hal Gill, Douglas Murray, Raphael Diaz, Alexander Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu, Tom Gilbert, Jordie Benn, Karl Alzner, Joe Morrow, Victor Mete, David Schlemko, Ben Chiarot.This is a list of the guys who not only played D in front of Price, but played considerable minutes in front of him, sometimes on the first pair and often on the second pair. I doubt any of those guys make the hall of fame, unless its a villain's hall. I haven't even included guys like Josh Gorges, who may or may not have been a good D, depending on your viewpoint. He did have Subban and Markov there for a lot of his career, but they could play only so many minutes. I will say this...if they'd had today's Kent Hughes as a GM and Gorton as VP. they might have won a Cup during Price's career. I saw a tweet recently after Hughes had gotten both Dach and Monahan withing a few weeks of each other, that made me laugh. It was a quote from Bergevin : 'It's hard to get a centre" and the counterpoint was Hughes saying "Hold my beer". |
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