Dubois

[Cranky]

You guys know how much I wanted Dubois...but...

IF Dubois really wanted to come to the Habs, all he had to do is sign one more year at around 7 and then walk into the Habs dressing room with that 8.5 contract.

It was NEVER about joining the Habs, it was ALWAYS about what is good for Dubois.

Two walkouts and this intentional fake drama to get his payday ASAP...it starting to look like we may really dodged that bullet.

Eight years of a pouting Dubois would of done more damage then 8 years of a good 2C.

[Boston_Habs]

That seems like a good return for Winnipeg. Vilardi is an RFA coming off a 23-goal season, Rasmus Kupari was drafted 20th overall in 2018, and Iafallo is a serviceable cost controlled forward. Plus they got a 2nd.

Not sure what the comparable trade for us would have been, but you know the Kings wanted Dach and HuGo wouldn't budge.

Looking at what the Kings gave, I'm fine bowing out of the PLD hunt. Too much, too soon really. Adding PLD at $8.5 to Suzuki ($7.9m), Caufield ($7.8m), Gallagher ($6.5m), Anderson ($5.5m) and that's a lot invested up front and our blue line needs serious work.

[Willie Dog]

Jun 27, 2023 16:18:26 GMT -5 Cranky said:

You guys know how much I wanted Dubois...but...

IF Dubois really wanted to come to the Habs, all he had to do is sign one more year at around 7 and then walk into the Habs dressing room with that 8.5 contract.

It was NEVER about joining the Habs, it was ALWAYS about what is good for Dubois.

Two walkouts and this intentional fake drama to get his payday ASAP...it starting to look like we may really dodged that bullet.

Eight years of a pouting Dubois would of done more damage then 8 years of a good 2C.

You were vocal about getting him and if he really wanted to be a Hab, everyone on this board would have been behind him... but the guy wasn't interested in being a Hab so screw him, glad he's out west with burgerbrain...

I trust thus management team to do what's right, we are all happy with Kirby and I hope the same outcome happens with Newhook...

[Boston_Habs]

I don't hold this against PLD. He said he wanted to play in MTL and I believe him. That doesn't mean it's the ONLY place he could play. Winnipeg wasn't just going to let him walk for nothing, and I bet PLD didn't want to screw the Jets over by saying it had to be Montreal. The Jets would have no leverage. LA came with a great offer and PLD got his bag. If Montreal was willing to match the Kings offer, he would have taken the same money with us.

[folatre]

It seems that Chevaldayoff is not allowed to rebuild, so I suppose I can see why he settled on a deal that provided three forwards (29 years old, 24, and 23) who can plug into the roster, though to be honest aside from Vilardi the other pieces are totally meh. But I really have to wonder from a strategic standpoint how trading your best players for a bunch a guys who can help the team tread water in the standings actually constitutes a plan.

[Cranky]

Jun 27, 2023 16:33:40 GMT -5 folatre said:

It seems that Chevaldayoff is not allowed to rebuild, so I suppose I can see why he settled on a deal that provided three forwards (29 years old, 24, and 23) who can plug into the roster, though to be honest aside from Vilardi the other pieces are totally meh. But I really have to wonder from a strategic standpoint how trading your best players for a bunch a guys who can help the team tread water in the standings actually constitutes a plan.

It doesn't but he wasn't going to get any better from us. Considering the other option was ZERO return, he made out like a bandit.

I really couldn't care less about Chevy, I care that all this drama was for nothing and we are not better today then we were yesterday.

The problem is that these "deals" don't come along every day and not to be in on it is a loss...because there was no gain.

Slow and steady...has limits. It's been 30 years and all we got going is hope and prayers that we MAY be a contender in a few years. Then I look at Vegas and they have been in it from day ONE.

Not very happy right now. Hope tomorrow will be better but...hope doesn't win cups.

[Cranky]

You can take the FOff door in front of you...

[Willie Dog]

Jun 27, 2023 17:49:40 GMT -5 Cranky said:

You can take the FOff door in front of you...

Maybe Douchbois grew up watching baywatch... What an insincere, load of Saperlipopette... this guy has no character and I'm glad Hughes passed on him...

[Cranky]

Jun 27, 2023 17:57:52 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

Jun 27, 2023 17:49:40 GMT -5 Cranky said:

You can take the FOff door in front of you...

Maybe Douchbois grew up watching baywatch... What an insincere, load of Saperlipopette... this guy has no character and I'm glad Hughes passed on him...

Our problem is that we are fans and loyalty counts. For these guys, it's ALL about the money.

Way back, around 2007, when China was starting to devastate my industry, my biggest customer who also happens to be the biggest maker of that product in the world, they offered to buy me out AND an obscene amount for me to go to China and start up their production plants there. All told, five years of my life for $$$$$$$. I passed on the offer. Two years later they were not buying anything from me because production shifted there.

It's absolutely NOT all about the money, but some of these kids never get to understand that because they are flooded with money as teenagers and that becomes their priority. They don't have a value making that dollar, just the amount of it.

[frozone]

Jun 27, 2023 16:27:04 GMT -5 Boston_Habs said:

I don't hold this against PLD. He said he wanted to play in MTL and I believe him. That doesn't mean it's the ONLY place he could play. Winnipeg wasn't just going to let him walk for nothing, and I bet PLD didn't want to screw the Jets over by saying it had to be Montreal. The Jets would have no leverage. LA came with a great offer and PLD got his bag. If Montreal was willing to match the Kings offer, he would have taken the same money with us.

In one way or another, we were used. Wtv. But did anyone actually hear or read of a quote from him saying that he wanted to play in Montreal? I question whether PLD's heart was ever set on joining the Habs. The earliest that I can find on this is from June 2022:

His agent, Pat Brisson, said Wednesday that Dubois would like to play for the Montreal Canadiens.

"Montreal is a city he would probably … I can talk about it because he doesn't have a contract at the moment - he's a restricted free agent," Brisson told TVA Sports in French, as translated by The Athletic. "Montreal is a place, a city he'd like to play in. That's all I can say about that."

Dubois was born in Ste-Agathe-Des-Monts, Quebec, but grew up in Rimouski.

The 24-year-old center reportedly told the Winnipeg Jets that he plans to test unrestricted free agency when he's eligible in 2024.


Link: Agent: Dubois wants to play for Canadiens

I dunno... but it doesn't sound to me like it was a foregone conclusion that he would even have signed with us as a UFA. 

[habsorbed]

Time will no doubt tell as it always does. But i'm good with this.

While $8.5 x 8 is onle about half a million more than Suze, it would make PLD the franchise player, and based on his play to date, he ain't no franchise player that will be leading the team to a Cup. And he does seem to be a head case. No thanks!

But ultimately, HuGo did not have the assets that Chevy wanted except for Dach. And that's a non starter for me. Aside form the fact Dach will likely be a better player than PLD when all is said and done, he ain't costing us $8.5 when we are not ready to compete.

I'll let PLD sit with Burgerhead tellig him how the Habs franchise is dysfunctional And poor Danny Boy now the Kings 3rd line centre at $5.5 million a year.

[Skilly]

Jun 28, 2023 0:23:47 GMT -5 habsorbed said:

Time will no doubt tell as it always does. But i'm good with this.

While $8.5 x 8 is onle about half a million more than Suze, it would make PLD the franchise player, and based on his play to date, he ain't no franchise player that will be leading the team to a Cup. And he does seem to be a head case. No thanks!

But ultimately, HuGo did not have the assets that Chevy wanted except for Dach. And that's a non starter for me. Aside form the fact Dach will likely be a better player than PLD when all is said and done, he ain't costing us $8.5 when we are not ready to compete.

I'll let PLD sit with Burgerhead tellig him how the Habs franchise is dysfunctional And poor Danny Boy now the Kings 3rd line centre at $5.5 million a year.

Nick Suzuki is not a franchise player either. At some point, we need to draft or acquire one

[Tankdriver]

Jun 28, 2023 11:14:10 GMT -5 Skilly said:

Jun 28, 2023 0:23:47 GMT -5 habsorbed said:

Time will no doubt tell as it always does. But i'm good with this.

While $8.5 x 8 is onle about half a million more than Suze, it would make PLD the franchise player, and based on his play to date, he ain't no franchise player that will be leading the team to a Cup. And he does seem to be a head case. No thanks!

But ultimately, HuGo did not have the assets that Chevy wanted except for Dach. And that's a non starter for me. Aside form the fact Dach will likely be a better player than PLD when all is said and done, he ain't costing us $8.5 when we are not ready to compete.

I'll let PLD sit with Burgerhead tellig him how the Habs franchise is dysfunctional And poor Danny Boy now the Kings 3rd line centre at $5.5 million a year.

Nick Suzuki is not a franchise player either. At some point, we need to draft or acquire one

Agree! Would you classify Marner a franchise player? Not much is being floated about him lateley. It's all been about resigning Matthews and Nylander.

[seventeen]

Jun 27, 2023 16:23:34 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

I trust thus management team to do what's right, we are all happy with Kirby and I hope the same outcome happens with Newhook...

I don't see Newhook in the same light as Dach. Kirby was a 3rd overall pick for a reason. His ceiling was high. Newhook was a 16th overall pick. Not that where you are picked determines the final outcome, but it does throw light on the expectations. I see Alex as an excellent 3C who can cover for 2C during injuries. Dach's strength is in puck control in his own end, and then carrying or passing through the neutral zone and finally a successful zone entry. It's what distinguishes better players from everyone else. He has such good puck control and puck possession. That big body will fill out even more and that's when he'll approach his ceiling. Newhook has real speed. Matt Duchene was like that in his prime, but Newhook is more responsible defensively, without as much scoring ability as Duchene. He puts a real fright into Dmen though when he's zipping through the middle of the ice.

[Willie Dog]

Jun 28, 2023 13:42:33 GMT -5 seventeen said:

Jun 27, 2023 16:23:34 GMT -5 Willie Dog said:

I trust thus management team to do what's right, we are all happy with Kirby and I hope the same outcome happens with Newhook...

I don't see Newhook in the same light as Dach. Kirby was a 3rd overall pick for a reason. His ceiling was high. Newhook was a 16th overall pick. Not that where you are picked determines the final outcome, but it does throw light on the expectations. I see Alex as an excellent 3C who can cover for 2C during injuries. Dach's strength is in puck control in his own end, and then carrying or passing through the neutral zone and finally a successful zone entry. It's what distinguishes better players from everyone else. He has such good puck control and puck possession. That big body will fill out even more and that's when he'll approach his ceiling. Newhook has real speed. Matt Duchene was like that in his prime, but Newhook is more responsible defensively, without as much scoring ability as Duchene. He puts a real fright into Dmen though when he's zipping through the middle of the ice.

I think Newhook is better suited as a winger on this team in the short term... if he can play the right side that would help a lot

[Cranky]

Given what happened yesterday, now I'm absolutely sure we had to compete against the highest bidder if he went UFA. Without the need to pay serious assets to get him, everyone was in the game, particularly Boston. I easily see him in the 9.5 region or even higher.

If he had an 80+ point season, north of 10. IF he reached 100 points, some GMs would make him a God...and pay him accordingly.

Dubois is worth about what he got and not a penny more. So we got the disappointment early and move on. Either way, we were used...AGAIN.

[Cranky]

Jun 27, 2023 22:06:37 GMT -5 frozone said:

I dunno... but it doesn't sound to me like it was a foregone conclusion that he would even have signed with us as a UFA. 

Nope, not unless we paid more then everyone else.

The entire affair is straight up usury to get his big payday. If he was smarter then he looks, he would of put in a huge next season and probably got to the 9.5 to 10 level. Some stupid GM would pay that thinking he finally broke out as a franchise player.

Looking closer at LA, they think they got their Kopitar replacement so that is why they sacrificed so much. Given Dubois 3 year history, I doubt he's captain or leadership material. At 25, he would of shown it by now.

Worse...the Jets room was pretty dysfunctional and his production dropped off a cliff in the later part of the season. He may very well be the cause, or part of it.

I'm still pissed off and feel used. It's my fault for thinking that him signing would of erased an other putrid season. Oh well....I'm just another stupid fan...