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Post by HABsurd on Jun 27, 2023 13:11:16 GMT -5
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Post by Andrew on Jun 27, 2023 13:15:12 GMT -5
For picks 31 and 37. Feels like an overpayment for somewhat of a stalled prospect that's undersized for a center at 5"10. Is this a precursor to Habs getting back into the Dubois conversation at the 11th hour?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 27, 2023 13:15:34 GMT -5
Ouch. That seems pretty expensive. I would think a first would of been enough.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -5
From what I've seen of him, he's very fast...pretty good with the puck. Should fit in with our young guys.
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Post by drkcloud on Jun 27, 2023 13:21:14 GMT -5
For 31, 37 and also Gianni Fairbrother
I guess that confirms Dubois to LA as well
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Post by Douper on Jun 27, 2023 13:22:43 GMT -5
This is our Kirby Dach deal for this draft I believe.
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Post by Polarice on Jun 27, 2023 13:23:11 GMT -5
For 31, 37 and also Gianni Fairbrother I guess that confirms Dubois to LA as well Unless they picked up Newhook to replace Dach.
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Post by PTH on Jun 27, 2023 13:42:09 GMT -5
Feels expensive, I thought #31 alone would've sufficed.
Still, at least we can see how he fits with the current core, age-wise.
Sure feels expensive for what Newhook has shown. I thought the FLO first at 31 would suffice.
I'm going to hope the Habs have had their eye on him since before the Lehkonen trade so they know there is untapped upside there.
It wouldn't be unusual to see a player find success in a lesser role on a new team where he doesn't come in as a highly touted draft pick that people hope is the next topliner.
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Post by PTH on Jun 27, 2023 13:42:37 GMT -5
For 31, 37 and also Gianni Fairbrother I guess that confirms Dubois to LA as well Yeah, Dubois seems long gone.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2023 13:45:11 GMT -5
Doesn't sound like Dubois wanted to be here anyways, so don't let the door hit you on the way out... goto LA and we only have to see you a couple of times a year.
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Post by PTH on Jun 27, 2023 13:46:49 GMT -5
I wonder if Hughes isn't half-expecting to get extra 1st and/or 2nd rounders when trading down...
The timing on this trade seems weird though. Why now, what's the rush?
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2023 13:49:27 GMT -5
I can see Newhook as a winger
Cc-Suze-Newhook Slaf-dach-monahan
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2023 13:50:14 GMT -5
I wonder if Hughes isn't half-expecting to get extra 1st and/or 2nd rounders when trading down... The timing on this trade seems weird though. Why now, what's the rush? Maybe a player like newhook is part of the PLD offer... Chevy can't take just picks, he needs prospects and Newhook is a good prospect from a good organization.
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Post by Boston_Habs on Jun 27, 2023 14:06:15 GMT -5
Another Hockey East guy. Hughes seems to love them.
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Post by HABsurd on Jun 27, 2023 14:11:51 GMT -5
Another Hockey East guy. Hughes seems to love them. Kent Hughes is certainly familiar with him. He used to be Alex Newhook's agent.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2023 14:16:03 GMT -5
Another Hockey East guy. Hughes seems to love them. Kent Hughes is certainly familiar with him. He used to be Alex Newhook's agent. Yep that's what I read.
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Post by PTH on Jun 27, 2023 14:22:29 GMT -5
Gotta say, my interest in watching the draft on TV went way downhill...
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Post by PTH on Jun 27, 2023 14:23:14 GMT -5
Another Hockey East guy. Hughes seems to love them. Kent Hughes is certainly familiar with him. He used to be Alex Newhook's agent. Sheesh. I don't like an agent trading for his former client...
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 27, 2023 14:25:44 GMT -5
Kent Hughes is certainly familiar with him. He used to be Alex Newhook's agent. Sheesh. I don't like an agent trading for his former client... An agent/former agent may be biased but he knows the players capability and I'm sure this was discussed with MSL and how Newhook would fit in the top 6
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2023 14:45:16 GMT -5
I liked Newhook a lot in his draft year and he has certainly been respectable as a young NHLer. But I wish Hughes had not thrown in the second rounder this year. The package does seem a little rich for a guy who is basically a speedy middle six winger who is not projecting to be a big time scorer. Honestly I no longer project him as a centre.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2023 14:46:41 GMT -5
I was at Newhook's Cup day event. We all got Newhook tee-shirts.
Fun fact: Newhook's sister is a really good hockey player, she committed to playing for Boston College when she was 14 years old. Fun fact #2: Newhook is the third Newfoundlander with his name on the Cup.
Oh yeah the trade, not sure where Alex fits on this team just yet. But it was widely known Hughes was looking to trade for a player that was in his early 20s and NHL ready. Not sure who we could have gotten at 31 and 37 that is better than Newhook. But we sure have a lot of centres now
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Post by folatre on Jun 27, 2023 15:00:47 GMT -5
For sure, in terms who helps the Habs more in the short-run (2023-25), it is not even close because kids picked at 31 and 37 are longer-term projects. I really felt a nice goalie prospect could have been there in that range.
Whether or not Newhook plays centre (I see him as a winger), adding him to the roster carries implications here and there. It is certainly less likely Montreal is still in on Dubois. And I imagine it is safe to say that Gurianov is gone and Farrell will most likely get battle-tested in the AHL this season.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2023 15:09:13 GMT -5
From what I've seen of him, he's very fast...pretty good with the puck. Should fit in with our young guys. Yeah. I like this a lot. If one gets past the 31st overall pick being a first rounder (it's more like a second), then the price is a touch better than reasonable, IMO. Remember that 2019 was a pretty deep draft. We got Caufield at #15, Newhook came right after him and then Krebs. That's a lot of quality in the middle of the first round. Skilly. must be nice to have another Newfie on the Habs. First since Ryder? The more I think of it the more I like this deal. It smacks of the Dach trade, but without the wrist injury. I'm not sure what happened last year, but in 21/22, Alex was stuck behind MacKinnon and Kadri, and Jost was there as well, so 33 points in 71 games is pretty good for a 20/21 year old. Last year he went backwards with 30 points in 82 games. Last year, the Avs were searching for their 2nd line centre and Alex may have gotten moved to the wing in the process as Rodrigues was there and Eller would have been taking up the obvious 3C position after the TDL. Anyway, it smacks of a situation where a talented (we assume) young guy isn't being given the right opportunity. I'm not sure where Newhook is going to be played. The 3C position seems to be ideal, but that depends on where Monahan fits best. I'd like to see Monahan on the 2nd line with Dach so Monahan can take certain faceoffs. From the little I saw, he's a very fast, smart player with good hands. I rarely buy team merchandise of any kind, but I'm thinking of getting a Habs jersey with "Hughes" on the back. the late first, early 2nd is such a crap shoot and the Avs have had a lousy scouting corps outside of the top 10, so we may not be giving up much in order to get a great kid from N & L.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 27, 2023 15:11:47 GMT -5
We have a huge pile of mid six developing right now and we spend a pile to get another one? Why?
We just spent that pile on a 30 pointer and I'm getting the feeling that being the ex client of Hughes was one of the reasons.
Don't like it one bit.
This season is still a huge bust and this doesn't change it one iota.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 27, 2023 15:15:11 GMT -5
Yesterday, Arpon Basu was waiting in an airport to catch his flight and had an AMA. One question was if Hughes was planning some kind of surprise trade, like last year's deal for Dach, where no one saw it coming. Basu said it could happen as the Hughes camp is really good at keeping quiet. He said (ominous music), a player like Alex Newhook is someone Hughes might be targeting. He then emphatically noted that this was a guess and it was that type of deal for a young pro, that Hughes might be looking for.
Chuckle. Either the Habs office leaks a little more than everyone thinks, or Arpon got really lucky with his example. Anyway, a day later, it is humourous.
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Post by HABsurd on Jun 27, 2023 15:15:47 GMT -5
I was at Newhook's Cup day event. We all got Newhook tee-shirts. Fun fact: Newhook's sister is a really good hockey player, she committed to playing for Boston College when she was 14 years old. Fun fact #2: Newhook is the third Newfoundlander with his name on the Cup. Oh yeah the trade, not sure where Alex fits on this team just yet. But it was widely known Hughes was looking to trade for a player that was in his early 20s and NHL ready. Not sure who we could have gotten at 31 and 37 that is better than Newhook. But we sure have a lot of centres now "The Avalanche picked Alex 16th in the 2019 NHL Draft. Before getting selected, the forward filled out a questionnaire. One prompt asked for a fact not many people know about him. His answer: “I have a sister who is better than me at hockey.” theathletic.com/2892573/2021/10/16/inside-a-sports-filled-week-for-avalanche-prospect-alex-newhook-and-his-family-2-cities-2-games-and-a-marathon/
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Post by HFTO on Jun 27, 2023 15:20:29 GMT -5
Hey guys ..been a while …1st reaction is the same but he’s only 22 but long term he ideally projects as a 3rd line Centre on a cup contender. Let’s see I love the philosophy….if the rumour Philly 7th 22 for 5 was real that would shine a different light. 37 seems like a good spot to grab a G …let’s see. More importantly the like of Hoffman Armia and possibly Gally need to move.
Let’s see so far can’t complain with this management group so far.
HFTO
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Post by Cranky on Jun 27, 2023 15:50:38 GMT -5
It looks like Dubois is dead meat.
I suspect that Hughes pulled this trade as some kind of consolation prize.
It's not unusual for deal makers to pull another deal thinking they accomplished something. Unfortunately, the second deal comes with blinders and ego.
Not liking any of this and Hughes shine is wearing off.
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Post by Douper on Jun 27, 2023 15:52:27 GMT -5
Not saying Newhook would play on Vegas's top 6. But have the knights built their team by picking? Have we won any cups by picking? And im not talking about the 5th overall. For once we have some good prospects coming up and some good talent. Let's go get young guys now so that when they all hit 24-27 we will be able to have a sustainable contender. Newhook's got wheels. If at worse he turns into a Cogliano, we'll need guys like that too.
Would you rather a Newhook or Mesar the next 2 seasons? Cause that's pretty much what the #31/37 pick is.
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Post by Skilly on Jun 27, 2023 16:06:52 GMT -5
We have a huge pile of mid six developing right now and we spend a pile to get another one? Why? We just spent that pile on a 30 pointer and I'm getting the feeling that being the ex client of Hughes was one of the reasons. Don't like it one bit. This season is still a huge bust and this doesn't change it one iota. Context. Last year we traded Romanov to get the #13 pick. Then we traded the #13 pick and the #66 pick to acquire Dach. Who never scored more than 26 points in a season. This year we trade the #31 and #37 pick. To get Newhook, who tops out, so far, at 33 points in a season.
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