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Post by folatre on Jul 28, 2023 19:55:17 GMT -5
PTH, for sure, Lafreniere would have significant value on the trade market. He has not had a breakout season yet, but I think if you polled GMs and pro scouts around the league a majority of them would say yeah that kid is a strong bet to be a 60 point player.
Drury is going to get Lafreniere signed on a relatively cheap two-year bridge deal because the kid has no leverage. So really, unless some GM picks up the phone and tables an offer (cap neutral) that makes the Rangers a better team, then I see New York sitting tight and hoping Lafreniere is a solid producer on a cap friendly contract for the next two years. And they effectively kick the can down the road.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 29, 2023 17:40:23 GMT -5
If we were a top tier team, do we take a chance and table 6.2 million for 1 year? With the understanding the next offer is at market value?
Losing a 30th and 62th for a 21 year old that has "potential" to be a top 3 or at worse he's already a mid 9 with NHL size.
I'd have a tough time not doing that. Of course the Rags would be furious and let him walk. They don't have 6.2 to spare.
With us, that doesn't work because i doubt we are picking less the 15th OA. More like 10th OA...and i hope I'm wrong.
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Post by PTH on Jul 29, 2023 23:06:59 GMT -5
PTH, for sure, Lafreniere would have significant value on the trade market. He has not had a breakout season yet, but I think if you polled GMs and pro scouts around the league a majority of them would say yeah that kid is a strong bet to be a 60 point player. Drury is going to get Lafreniere signed on a relatively cheap two-year bridge deal because the kid has no leverage. So really, unless some GM picks up the phone and tables an offer (cap neutral) that makes the Rangers a better team, then I see New York sitting tight and hoping Lafreniere is a solid producer on a cap friendly contract for the next two years. And they effectively kick the can down the road. If the Habs had a lower cost option who was going to be effective in the short term, there might be something worth talking about. I can't help but wonder if NYR might be tempted if someone had a Lehkonen-type of middle-sixer, along with some futures, to offer. |
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Post by folatre on Jul 30, 2023 10:44:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the potential deal would have to hit a rather narrow sweet spot for the Rangers to do it: cap neutral; big fast club controlled winger (preferably right shot) who can score 20 goals 5v5; young puck moving d-man (preferably lefty) under club control. Maybe New York would also want a pick for good measure, but I think they do not really care about futures. The problem, I think, is not that they need stars in exchange for Lafreniere. Rather, I think the problem is the Rangers are trying to win right now in this window and would have to address a couple of specific needs with very little cap flexibility.
There may be some club who can make that work with the Rangers, though I am not sure it is Montreal. And even in the event that it could be Montreal, I would hope Hughes uses good judgment (unlike Bergevin with Drouin) and eschews a long-term contract at major coin. I would much rather see what Lafreniere is made of playing on a 3 year/$10 million contract.
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Post by Cranky on Jul 30, 2023 19:07:03 GMT -5
"HELP" the Rags and that's why i would offer Anderson with retained and a box of donuts.
Ok...if the PROFFESIONAL scouts think there is real potential for a 60 point forward, toss in our second. Which can be from 33rd to mid 40s.
Anderson is not a bad deal because he can produce and at 2.5-3 million a year, a bargain. On the other hand, we not going to cap crunch for at least 3 yesrs for that cup run.
We're going to have a pile-up of prospects in the next few years and we need to convert them for quality.
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Post by folatre on Aug 5, 2023 7:51:43 GMT -5
The only way Lafreniere is continuing his career in a new destination is if Drury is just one of those few GMs who really does not give a flip about public opinion. Because I can see scenarios where he can make the Rangers better in their short-term window, but the pieces involved will not have any wow-effect.
A trade involving a recent first overall pick is going to require the owner (Dolan) signing off on it. Does he care about the potential PR hit? The consensus seems to be Dolan is one of those owners who is convinced his team should win the Cup, so maybe if Drury sells him on a deal that inches the Rangers closer to the Cup, he may endorse it. And in reality if Drury does not have a lot of playoff success (probably minimum Eastern Conference winners) over the next season or two, he is in all likelihood getting fired anyway, thus perhaps incurring the ire of the armchair GMs in New York is not going to be a determinant factor one way or the other.
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Post by seventeen on Aug 5, 2023 11:55:54 GMT -5
An important fact is that it was Jeff Gorton in charge at the time of the pick, so a scapegoat is at hand.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 5, 2023 15:35:26 GMT -5
Aug 5th and still unsigned. Obviously there is problem.
Chances are that Laffy already packed his bags in his mind...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 18, 2023 14:55:50 GMT -5
Aug 5th and still unsigned. Obviously there is problem. Chances are that Laffy already packed his bags in his mind... I am not against offering a one year contract. We have cap space and if he doesn’t work out no big loss. Dionne was ready in his first year but Lafleur and Cournoyer took longer. Laffy is still 21 but won’t be Forever 21. |
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Post by folatre on Aug 18, 2023 20:06:18 GMT -5
It would take a $6.3 million AAV offer sheet to even make New York consider taking the picks and letting him go. And in reality Montreal does not have the cap space to absorb a $6.3 player for 2023-24, so it would require Hughes to have one or two parallel deals prepared.
It just seems too complicated. And Gorton and Hughes may not have much faith in the 2023-24 edition of the Habs, thus offer sheeting Lafreniere could well signify handing the Rangers a top 10 pick in June.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2023 15:17:54 GMT -5
Aaaannnnd......still no contract.
1...This makes it a certainty that they can't get together on the contract.
2...Drury is fishing for a deal.
I don't see any way we get it done with the Habs because our rookies/prospects haven't developed so their value is not very high.
I don't know if they can make a deal based on "if/then" with the Habs.
Example...if we agree his current value is a 20th pick, then we give them a protect 1st that can not exceed 20th for 3 years or they they have to give us their 2nd back if they choose to draft from a top 10 protected list.
It is certain that we will draft higher then top 10 the next 3 years or we are in REAL DEEP brown stuff.
The highest the Rangers can get is 11th and they give up a second. Or 20th and they give up nothing. Their choice.
On the other hand, unless Drury is Milbury Lite, if Laffy puts in another 30-40 point season, the value solidifies the "1st round bust" mantra and a second 2nd at the very best.
Stay tuned...
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 23, 2023 16:27:33 GMT -5
Aaaannnnd......still no contract. 1...This makes it a certainty that they can't get together on the contract. 2...Drury is fishing for a deal. I don't see any way we get it done with the Habs because our rookies/prospects haven't developed so their value is not very high. I don't know if they can make a deal based on "if/then" with the Habs. Example... if we agree his current value is a 20th pick, then we give them a protect 1st that can not exceed 20th for 3 years or they they have to give us their 2nd back if they choose to draft from a top 10 protected list. It is certain that we will draft higher then top 10 the next 3 years or we are in REAL DEEP brown stuff. The highest the Rangers can get is 11th and they give up a second. Or 20th and they give up nothing. Their choice. On the other hand, unless Drury is Milbury Lite, if Laffy puts in another 30-40 point season, the value solidifies the "1st round bust" mantra and a second 2nd at the very best. Stay tuned... Would Drury go for Lafreniere for Reinbacher? Would they go for Michkov? |
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Post by drkcloud on Aug 23, 2023 17:34:07 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Aug 23, 2023 17:54:09 GMT -5
The kid had zero leverage. And the Rangers had next to no cap space. So basically a two-year bridge was the only possible outcome.
Just like the case with K'Andre Miller (who I really think will be very good top four stalwart sooner rather than later), Drury had to go short-term with Lafreniere. If Lafreniere finds his stride and puts up a 30-30 season this season or next season, then the Rangers will rue the missed opportunity to get him locked up medium or long-term for something relatively affordable.
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2023 18:23:11 GMT -5
Did this just happen? If so, I really am the Seth Lord!  The kid had zero leverage. And the Rangers had next to no cap space. So basically a two-year bridge was the only possible outcome. Just like the case with K'Andre Miller (who I really think will be very good top four stalwart sooner rather than later), Drury had to go short-term with Lafreniere. If Lafreniere finds his stride and puts up a 30-30 season this season or next season, then the Rangers will rue the missed opportunity to get him locked up medium or long-term for something relatively affordable. The Force told me this is a sign and trade....  It's 50/50 that he has a 30-30 season in him but he certainly has all the tools. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Aug 23, 2023 18:48:37 GMT -5
Did this just happen? If so, I really am the Seth Lord! The kid had zero leverage. And the Rangers had next to no cap space. So basically a two-year bridge was the only possible outcome. Just like the case with K'Andre Miller (who I really think will be very good top four stalwart sooner rather than later), Drury had to go short-term with Lafreniere. If Lafreniere finds his stride and puts up a 30-30 season this season or next season, then the Rangers will rue the missed opportunity to get him locked up medium or long-term for something relatively affordable. The Force told me this is a sign and trade.... It's 50/50 that he has a 30-30 season in him but he certainly has all the tools. YOU ARE THE SETH LORD! If we offered 2 years at $3m per we might have made the rangers uncomfortable. Maybe $4m would have done it? |
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Post by Cranky on Aug 23, 2023 18:58:00 GMT -5
If we offered 2 years at $3m per we might have made the rangers uncomfortable. Maybe $4m would have done it? You can only make a Offer Sheet with your own picks. We could of gone to 4.2 million but we do not have our 2nd in 2024 as compensation. |
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