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Post by seventeen on Nov 29, 2023 12:57:02 GMT -5
Vancouver may be readying to do something bigger, though not necessarily before the New Year, by clearing cap space. Beauvillier and his $4.15 million hit off to Chicago for a fifth round pick. Beauvillier has had a solid enough NHL career thus far, but he is a former first rounder that always seems to be missing something so at this point I suppose the Canucks value the cap space a lot more than the return for the player. the Canucks are a second favourite team since cheering for the team in your province, that's almost a requirement. When they originally picked up Beauvillier, I rated that as a good acquisition. I had seen a few games with the Isles and he was really impressive. His time in Vancouver, however, was not nearly as good. Lately, he was a hard working guy who didn't always process the game well and had trouble scoring. He's a great skater, but somehow it just doesn't translate. The 5th rounder and CAP space is about right. |
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2023 13:20:04 GMT -5
Apparently Vancouver wants to sign Nate Bear, who might solve their issues on RD. I'd think Dvorak would be a nice fit in Chicago - a local boy, young enough for them to re-sign if he's a good fit, and otherwise he'd likely fetch a 2nd as a rental in 15 months, anyways. The only issue is Montreal needs him as #2C right now, and unless Monahan is re-signed, we'd end the season with Suzuki as #1 and Evans as #4, and nothing in between (and that's assuming Evans himself isn't deals, he might be a guy a team overpays for if they think he's a perfect fit). --- The original Monahan deal was announced at the same time as the Price injury, so Montreal having cap room to play with was a new thing. The Dach deal was a couple of consecutive trades, dependent on each other, as well. I wonder if a Monahan re-signing and a Dvorak trade might be near-simultaneous, or a Montembeault extension and a goalie trade, as well. I know I wouldn't move Allen, even for a good return, if Monty isn't resigned. I wonder if the Canucks might want Savard, when he is healthy... Why trade for Savard when they can sign Bear, who they already know ? |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 29, 2023 13:24:24 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. There are accounts actually saying this rumour isn't true. The rumour has actually expanded today to include multiple moms, of which one is a current Habs player. TMZ came out saying it's true....whether or not that's why they let him go is another issue. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 29, 2023 17:08:17 GMT -5
I wonder if the Canucks might want Savard, when he is healthy... Why trade for Savard when they can sign Bear, who they already know ? I don't think Bear is as good defensively as Savard, especially if either of them will be in the 4 to 6 position on the Canucks, Canucks have plenty of offence on D, they need defence and I think Savard would do well on that team |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 29, 2023 17:12:51 GMT -5
I also think the Hawks would love to have Monahan to help Bedard now that Perry is gone.
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Post by folatre on Nov 29, 2023 18:57:25 GMT -5
Well, given the dearth of centers, I would not be calling teams about Dvorak. But if someone (Chicago or whoever) calls and offers a second, then the reality is it just makes sense to move him. Newhook would move to the middle and you pray Monahan does not get hurt before the deadline. After the deadline, meh, I would not worry about being dignified in the standings. If St. Louis has to roll with Suzuki-Newhook-Evans-callup after March 1, well, I feel for him because that is tough but due to their relationship the coach trusts management so even though this is a results-based league, I would say the results will be graded on a curve if Dvorak and Monahan get traded.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2023 20:13:46 GMT -5
Well, given the dearth of centers, I would not be calling teams about Dvorak. But if someone (Chicago or whoever) calls and offers a second, then the reality is it just makes sense to move him. Newhook would move to the middle and you pray Monahan does not get hurt before the deadline. After the deadline, meh, I would not worry about being dignified in the standings. If St. Louis has to roll with Suzuki-Newhook-Evans-callup after March 1, well, I feel for him because that is tough but due to their relationship the coach trusts management so even though this is a results-based league, I would say the results will be graded on a curve if Dvorak and Monahan get traded. We are still in the deep woods when it comes to center depth. We HOPE Dach past the injury and on to what we saw the first two games, but if not? Unless there is a serious level offer for Monahan on the table, talking at least a top second or even a late first, I wouldn't trade him. In fact, I would offer him a short term contract of 3x5 million until we are more serious about being competitive. Or if we DO trade him, still offer him a home. If he accepts and all the benefits he brings from being cooperative, then it's up to management to retire him as a Hab. Three year contract at a time. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 29, 2023 20:35:49 GMT -5
For sure, if Monahan can stay healthy and productive, then there is no reason to close the door. But regardless I would move him before the deadline while communicating to the player the club's high regard for him, and then circle back in the summer with an offer. I would not go beyond 3x4 because essentially he is injury prone and not really suited to be more than a 3C (though he could play top six LW for clubs with adequate center depth). If some GM wants to give Monahan serious money and/or term, then so be it, that is where he should go because NHL careers have a shelf life and with everything he has gone through he knows the next contract he signs could be the last one.
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Post by Cranky on Nov 29, 2023 23:24:54 GMT -5
Monahan is only 29 so a 3 year and a 3 year is not that bad.
3 years gives the team protection from a recurrence of Monahans injuries. It goes well then another 3 is just before he needs a walker.
Really odd that he signed for only 2 million for 1 year so something tells money is not the sole objective. The guy was a 6.8 million player. There is likely a longer vision by Monahan with the Habs.
If someone wants to give him a 6 year contract...go for it.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 30, 2023 8:18:55 GMT -5
Monahan is only 29 so a 3 year and a 3 year is not that bad. 3 years gives the team protection from a recurrence of Monahans injuries. It goes well then another 3 is just before he needs a walker. Really odd that he signed for only 2 million for 1 year so something tells money is not the sole objective. The guy was a 6.8 million player. There is likely a longer vision by Monahan with the Habs. If someone wants to give him a 6 year contract...go for it. He's got great hockey IQ, I could see him coaching |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 30, 2023 15:38:36 GMT -5
Monahan is only 29 so a 3 year and a 3 year is not that bad. 3 years gives the team protection from a recurrence of Monahans injuries. It goes well then another 3 is just before he needs a walker. Really odd that he signed for only 2 million for 1 year so something tells money is not the sole objective. The guy was a 6.8 million player. There is likely a longer vision by Monahan with the Habs. If someone wants to give him a 6 year contract...go for it. He's got great hockey IQ, I could see him coaching One of the problems when players become coaches is that it's one thing to know the game, it's another to be a coach. I sold some pieces of equipment to my neighbor. His 25 year old son is now running the place and he's a really a smart kid but he's still making serious mistakes. He connected a fuse box...12 feet off the ground. I stood under it and yelled FIRE CUT OFF THE POWER...while I pointed at the fuse box 4 feet over my head. He got the message. He's making serious mistakes because he never worked under someone who can teach him fundamental way of thinking. Core stuff like thinking through the safety issues before doing something. It's no different with hockey player who become coaches. Do they have "fundamental" thinking on how to deal with employees. CRITICAL in this day and age of pampered children. Easiest is to learn while working under a great coach. We don't want MThead coaching styles. So sure, Monahan the thinking player can become Monahan the assistant coach who then becomes Monahan the head coach. For the Habs? He needs to speak French. All will become clearer by next season. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 30, 2023 19:05:04 GMT -5
Zadorov to Vancouver for a fifth (2024) and a third (2026). Tocchet must be elated because they really needed to get a big d-man who, despite his limitations, can play second pair minutes, kill penalties, and dish out a lot of nastiness to opposing forwards.
Calgary probably hoped for more, but when a guy instructs (or allows) his agent to go public demanding a trade, it makes it uncomfortable to wait until the deadline. I am sure Conroy will get more for Tanev and Hanifin.
My brother in law, unlike a lot of Leafs fans, was not very keen on Zadorov. However, when he saw the minimal cost the Canucks paid, he immediately declared his evening ruined.
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Post by jkr on Nov 30, 2023 19:30:50 GMT -5
Folatre,
Not sure if it was your intention but that last paragraph made me chuckle.😀
I wonder if any Leaf fans are connecting the dots between Treliving bailing on Calgary and the state of the Flames right now.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 30, 2023 22:01:03 GMT -5
Folatre, Not sure if it was your intention but that last paragraph made me chuckle.😀 I wonder if any Leaf fans are connecting the dots between Treliving bailing on Calgary and the state of the Flames right now. And the Flames not wanting to do any favors for pizzaboy |
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Post by jkr on Nov 30, 2023 22:06:13 GMT -5
Annoying Leaf win against Seattle. Seen them do this before. Blew a multi goal lead in the 3rd and win in a SO.🙁
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 1, 2023 1:50:37 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 1, 2023 20:14:29 GMT -5
Watching the Sens CBJ game... Fantilli will be something special... the kid has it
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Post by halihab on Dec 2, 2023 10:41:25 GMT -5
Watching the Sens CBJ game... Fantilli will be something special... the kid has it Yeah, He is a good player. His skating is tremendous. I don't recall him being that fast on team Canada Juniors. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 2, 2023 21:56:17 GMT -5
Freaking Bruins. Leafs tie it with 6 seconds left.
Marchand wins in OT. Nylander blows a tire at centre giving Pastrnak a breakaway. Woll makes the save but #63 buries the rebound.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 2, 2023 22:13:41 GMT -5
Freaking Bruins. Leafs tie it with 6 seconds left. Marchand wins in OT. Nylander blows a tire at centre giving Pastrnak a breakaway. Woll makes the save but #63 buries the rebound. As long as the Bruins get bounced in the 1st round like the leafs they can win whatever games during the regular season |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 3, 2023 13:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 3, 2023 13:33:12 GMT -5
“Captain” Tavares showing off his elite commitment to defence 😝.
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Post by jkr on Dec 3, 2023 15:15:17 GMT -5
What desire. You can see him thinking about it but by the time he decides to go the puck is in the net.  Marchand had time to corral a high pass and put it in the net. Maybe if JT moved his butt a little sooner he could have disrupted that. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 3, 2023 16:10:48 GMT -5
“Captain” Tavares showing off his elite commitment to defence 😝. This is soooo shareable |
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Post by folatre on Dec 3, 2023 20:06:53 GMT -5
Even with a ton of miles on the body Tavares is still a impressive point production machine (mainly through power play cookies), but he is extremely slow and that certainly does gets exposed at times. I am not sure why Keefe plays him so much at 3v3.
Moreover, I think that Keefe overuses his big 4/5 in the regular season. I get it that, aside from Tavares, those are guys who in their prime, but still regular season is regular season and having forwards playing play 23-24 minutes a night in games that, in the big picture, do not really mean a whole lot seems misguided.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 4, 2023 12:35:47 GMT -5
Even with a ton of miles on the body Tavares is still a impressive point production machine (mainly through power play cookies), but he is extremely slow and that certainly does gets exposed at times. I am not sure why Keefe plays him so much at 3v3. Moreover, I think that Keefe overuses his big 4/5 in the regular season. I get it that, aside from Tavares, those are guys who in their prime, but still regular season is regular season and having forwards playing play 23-24 minutes a night in games that, in the big picture, do not really mean a whole lot seems misguided. He plays them because the leafs ability to keep the puck out of their net is not great so they need to make sure cagey score lots of goals |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 5, 2023 1:08:19 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Dec 5, 2023 13:52:31 GMT -5
I would never want to play for Torts, (I bruise too easily so shot blocking is out of the question), but his takes on the game are often spot on. While one doesn't want dangerous hits (anything Trouba does), there are clean hits that get called. Players don't keep their heads up as much as they used to.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 5, 2023 16:44:48 GMT -5
I would never want to play for Torts, (I bruise too easily so shot blocking is out of the question), but his takes on the game are often spot on. While one doesn't want dangerous hits (anything Trouba does), there are clean hits that get called. Players don't keep their heads up as much as they used to. The NHL is the only sport that puts the onus on the victim to protect themselves. While players probably do need to learn to take hits, it is way more true that hitters know when players are in vulnerable positions. Hitting has become more about removing a players head from his shoulders and less about separating a player from the puck So I disagree with Torts, and the whole hockey culture. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 5, 2023 18:42:45 GMT -5
I like clean hits and do not want to see that part of physicality removed from the game. Honestly, though, that hit was a little greasy because it was a race that clearly was going to be ruled icing. However, the refs gave Hathaway plausible deniability by being a second tardy with the whistle. Hathaway did not target Hughes high or board him but the kid was vulnerable because he assumed no one was going to plaster him there.
I love the game. I love watching the Habs and the NHL. I love watching young kids play hockey and enjoying themselves. But I am a little nervous because next season my son graduates up to Bantam, which is the first level with body checking/hitting.
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