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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2023 2:22:23 GMT -5
$5K for this? He should sit for a long time. Player safety my arse. Incredible, huh? He basically does a Wayne Maki to Ted Green home run swing to Frederic's neck and gets a fine? Seems reasonable. Next time we play the Rangers, we should smack Adam Fox across the head, have him lost for the rest of the season and happily accept a $5,000 fine. Colin Campbell's dementia continues to get worse |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 26, 2023 9:21:03 GMT -5
$5K for this? He should sit for a long time. Player safety my arse. Incredible, huh? He basically does a Wayne Maki to Ted Green home run swing to Frederic's neck and gets a fine? Seems reasonable. Next time we play the Rangers, we should smack Adam Fox across the head, have him lost for the rest of the season and happily accept a $5,000 fine. Colin Campbell's dementia continues to get worse I guess the novelty of having your kids name on the cup has worn off... The Rags are the NHL golden team, Buttman wants a big market US team to win a cup and none would be better than the Rags |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 26, 2023 9:22:32 GMT -5
Very good night last night, Rags beat the Bruins and Pit beat the Laffs...
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2023 10:40:37 GMT -5
What is it with Trouba? We've seen these high hits before. Just about a week ago I saw him hit Nosek with one of those borderline hits he is infamous for. Nosek left the game and I dont think he even got a penalty.
When you raise your stick and hit someone deliberately the question should not be will there be a suspension? It should be how long will the suspension be.
The league cannot pretend to care about players when a deliberate attempt to injure such as this is just brushed off.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2023 15:49:20 GMT -5
What is it with Trouba? We've seen these high hits before. Just about a week ago I saw him hit Nosek with one of those borderline hits he is infamous for. Nosek left the game and I dont think he even got a penalty. When you raise your stick and hit someone deliberately the question should not be will there be a suspension? It should be how long will the suspension be. The league cannot pretend to care about players when a deliberate attempt to injure such as this is just brushed off. Flailing at windmills. Outside of the owners, Buttman is the key guy. He gets moved out and replaced with at least a fire hydrant, everything he/it controls will improve. Campbell is an obvious incompetent and H-O wants a gladiator environment in the NHL, not a healthy one, so Bettman will do nothing. There's a real racist, anti LGBTQ culture at NHL HO, as we've seen from so many instances. The Black Hawks, exhibit A. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 26, 2023 17:15:54 GMT -5
The way Trouba has dodged suspension after suspension over the years is mystifying to say the least. He even checked Sidney Frickin Crosby in the head during the playoffs a couple years ago and nothing.
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2023 18:27:37 GMT -5
What is it with Trouba? We've seen these high hits before. Just about a week ago I saw him hit Nosek with one of those borderline hits he is infamous for. Nosek left the game and I dont think he even got a penalty. When you raise your stick and hit someone deliberately the question should not be will there be a suspension? It should be how long will the suspension be. The league cannot pretend to care about players when a deliberate attempt to injure such as this is just brushed off. Flailing at windmills. Outside of the owners, Buttman is the key guy. He gets moved out and replaced with at least a fire hydrant, everything he/it controls will improve. Campbell is an obvious incompetent and H-O wants a gladiator environment in the NHL, not a healthy one, so Bettman will do nothing. There's a real racist, anti LGBTQ culture at NHL HO, as we've seen from so many instances. The Black Hawks, exhibit A. The league is run by Bettman & his flunkies who will back down when challenged - see Travis Dermott and the pride tape incident. I was gratified to see Marc Andre Fleury tell the league to take a hike when they told him he could not wear a mask designed for a ceremony to honor American indigenous people. He also wanted to honor his wife who has indigenous heritage. They threatened to find him and thd team. He wore it anyway. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 26, 2023 20:43:38 GMT -5
The way Trouba has dodged suspension after suspension over the years is mystifying to say the least. He even checked Sidney Frickin Crosby in the head during the playoffs a couple years ago and nothing. Hartmann gets a hearing for slew-footing Debrincat but a stick swing to the face gets 5K... that's the argument I'd give the dopes... |
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Post by folatre on Nov 26, 2023 20:57:59 GMT -5
Hartmann is a greasy dude on a sinking ship, but nevertheless that gets us nowhere in explaining how Trouba always evades punishment. Is his wife the Bettman family's personal physician?
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Post by Andrew on Nov 27, 2023 13:41:26 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 27, 2023 14:03:28 GMT -5
I don't remember that... Trouba is a piece of Saperlipopette |
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Post by folatre on Nov 27, 2023 17:52:28 GMT -5
Dean Evason is out in Minnesota. Poor dude was probably losing mind with the putrid hockey the Wild have played this season. I hope Billy Guerin is not banking on a big coaching change bump because when I look at that roster I see a whole lot of nothing special aside from Kaprizov.
I guess the answer needs to be in the room given the fact the organization is stuck with $15 million in dead cap space this season and next.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 27, 2023 23:03:04 GMT -5
Dean Evason is out in Minnesota. Poor dude was probably losing mind with the putrid hockey the Wild have played this season. I hope Billy Guerin is not banking on a big coaching change bump because when I look at that roster I see a whole lot of nothing special aside from Kaprizov. I guess the answer needs to be in the room given the fact the organization is stuck with $15 million in dead cap space this season and next. Evason got royall screwed IMO. I watched a few Wild games and there was a team that was structurally sound and played above their salary scale. That old saying "Show me a great goaltender and I'll show you a great coach" also works in reverse. Tough to win when your goaltenders sport .881 and .875 save percentages. As folatre says, there's not much eliteness on the roster aside from Kaprizov. Faber is going to be good but is inexperienced, Zuccarello is reliable and Hartman is having an excellent season. Maybe I'll miss another two or 3 guys playing well, but it's an ordinary line-up, which is to be expected when your cap is $66MM and everyone else's is $81MM. A corollary to that is that every team that has a 'normal tax system' instead of a (we need a Robin Hood) tax system, like Florida, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, etc. is hugely handicapped. More than anything (after Bettman is deposed), a net tax CAP needs to be implemented and then Canada will have a chance to win a Cup. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 27, 2023 23:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by folatre on Nov 28, 2023 11:00:01 GMT -5
Man, that is funny to watch. DJ Smith has been behind the bench for five seasons and his teams have never played hockey with any semblance of structure and discipline. I do not like when coaches get scapegoated and not provided adequate time and resources to get results. But Smith has been given plenty of time and the Sens are a cap team, so how could it be unreasonable to conclude the guy is just not a good coach.
It sounds like Patty Kane is signing with the Red Wings. That has got to sting for the hometown Sabres, since by all accounts they were in on him.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 28, 2023 11:03:31 GMT -5
I watched a bit of that game, then Sens got run roughshod over... I can't see DJ smith lasting much longer... I don't think Andlauer is as tightfisted with money as Melnyk was. I checked out Capfriendly and they signed sanderson to 8yr 8M a year contract, he is paid more than Chabot... starting next year sens will have 45 mill locked up in 6 guys |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 28, 2023 14:21:59 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 28, 2023 14:24:55 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. Omg...lol.. I'd take Perry back, couldn't be worse than Armia... and iirc, the young guys thrived when Perry was with us |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2023 14:42:00 GMT -5
Man, that is funny to watch. DJ Smith has been behind the bench for five seasons and his teams have never played hockey with any semblance of structure and discipline. I do not like when coaches get scapegoated and not provided adequate time and resources to get results. But Smith has been given plenty of time and the Sens are a cap team, so how could it be unreasonable to conclude the guy is just not a good coach. It sounds like Patty Kane is signing with the Red Wings. That has got to sting for the hometown Sabres, since by all accounts they were in on him. The Wings are a good example (IMO) of having an impatient owner. He signs Yzerman, which was a good move, and Stevie tells him it's going to be a slog. Several years, but as we are seeing with the Habs fan base, they can say they're ready for a re-build, but they're really not. Three, 4 years of losing go by, the team builds up some prospect capital, but is still a bit short of what you'd like to see in a contender and the owner has finally had it. Start the car, Stevie. So he has to go out and get Chiarots, Comphers, Gostisbheres, Sprongs, Petrys, Perrons, Holls, etc. Marginal vets who may 'look' good, having had an impressive year or two in the past, or having a reputation for some quality or other, but still not real depth. In fact, it can be argued that the Wings are a bit short in the elite category. Seider has plateaued for now (not unusual and he'll likely snap out of it in the playoffs) and Larkin, while being an excellent centre, doesn't quite fit the 'elite' definition. Again, that is my opinion and others may think differently. Their goaltending is in the capable hands of James Reimer and Ville Husso (cough). Yeah, that's sarcasm. It just seems like the owner pulled the trigger a year or 2 too soon. Is Kane the answer? If the hip surgery was successful and his speed is back to normal, he may make a difference. There remains questions. Will Kane be back to his prime? Even if so, is the rest of the team good enough? Do they have a Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook, Nikalas Hjalmarsson, Brian Campbell and Dustin Byfuglien on defense? They have Petry, Chiarot, Gostisbhere, Seider, Walman, Maata and Holl. The key point here is to have enough patience for a real rebuild. Those prior SC champs took 6-10 years at times, from when they began drafting high. We're at year 5 from Kotkaniemi or year 3 if you start after the SC final appearance. We have some of the core and the potential for some eliteness, but another high pick this year might make all the difference. The one thing we have that many other rebuilding teams don't have is a ton of quality depth. The kids who won't be top 6 forwards or top 4 D are pretty good regardless, so the bottom of our roster should have an edge over most others. A combination of players like Beck, Roy, Ylonen, Mesar, Tuch, Simoneau, Kidney or Florian can be very strong 3rd and 4th lines. Our bottom pairing on D could easily be any of Xhekaj, Barron, Harris, Engstrom, Konyushkov, or Struble. Most GM's would need to change their pants if they had possibilities like those guys, on the third pair. Anyway, the future's so bright we gotta wear shades, but don't turn the train around yet. A player like Celebrini, Eiserman, Demidov etc would make for a very interesting and necessary top 6. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 28, 2023 14:47:15 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. If that's true I dont if anyone will want him. Pretty awkward. Is Connor Bedard supposed to call him dad? |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2023 14:47:34 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. Is that confirmed? The initial tweet came from a peculiar source and might easily have been trolling. I don't completely discount the report, because there have been numerous rumours of players on various teams having affairs with the wives of other players. It happens in offices around the world everywhere, so it's human temptation. Still.....Someone saying something doesn't make it true. But totally discount it? Who knows. How would the fan base accept that if it is true and Hughes signed him? We are trying to develop high standards for behaviour. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 28, 2023 14:48:35 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. If that's true I dont if anyone will want him. Pretty awkward. Is Connor Bedard supposed to call him dad? Uncle. This thread is deteriorating.  |
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Post by PTH on Nov 28, 2023 14:57:21 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. Is that confirmed? The initial tweet came from a peculiar source and might easily have been trolling. I don't completely discount the report, because there have been numerous rumours of players on various teams having affairs with the wives of other players. It happens in offices around the world everywhere, so it's human temptation. Still.....Someone saying something doesn't make it true. But totally discount it? Who knows. How would the fan base accept that if it is true and Hughes signed him? We are trying to develop high standards for behaviour. It can also be more subtle: he might have hit on Bedard's mom, or some other player's sister, and it just didn't go over well. That's basically what got Ribeiro out of Montreal: hitting on Gainey's daughter, apparently pretty crudely. (whereas Carbo was once teammates with his daughter's boyfriend and eventual husband, so it can work out) |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2023 16:17:53 GMT -5
Anyone interested in Corey Perry? Blackhawkes placed him on waivers today with the intention of ending his contract because he's been banging Bedards mom. There are accounts actually saying this rumour isn't true. The rumour has actually expanded today to include multiple moms, of which one is a current Habs player. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 28, 2023 16:28:34 GMT -5
Is that confirmed? The initial tweet came from a peculiar source and might easily have been trolling. I don't completely discount the report, because there have been numerous rumours of players on various teams having affairs with the wives of other players. It happens in offices around the world everywhere, so it's human temptation. Still.....Someone saying something doesn't make it true. But totally discount it? Who knows. How would the fan base accept that if it is true and Hughes signed him? We are trying to develop high standards for behaviour. It can also be more subtle: he might have hit on Bedard's mom, or some other player's sister, and it just didn't go over well. That's basically what got Ribeiro out of Montreal: hitting on Gainey's daughter, apparently pretty crudely. (whereas Carbo was once teammates with his daughter's boyfriend and eventual husband, so it can work out) I don't remember and rumours with Gainey's daughter. I remember tons of rumours about cocaine use though |
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Post by folatre on Nov 28, 2023 21:24:04 GMT -5
Vancouver may be readying to do something bigger, though not necessarily before the New Year, by clearing cap space. Beauvillier and his $4.15 million hit off to Chicago for a fifth round pick. Beauvillier has had a solid enough NHL career thus far, but he is a former first rounder that always seems to be missing something so at this point I suppose the Canucks value the cap space a lot more than the return for the player.
Maybe Chicago thinks if he starts scoring they can flip him for a third at the deadline. Or maybe Davidson is just trying to inject some talent into the Blackhawks abject lineup because Bedard's rookie season could become a long slog if management just sits on its hands. Man, I really hope Chicago feels guilty about their dumpster fire team and calls up Hughes to offer a second rounder for Dvorak.
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2023 2:20:02 GMT -5
Vancouver may be readying to do something bigger, though not necessarily before the New Year, by clearing cap space. Beauvillier and his $4.15 million hit off to Chicago for a fifth round pick. Beauvillier has had a solid enough NHL career thus far, but he is a former first rounder that always seems to be missing something so at this point I suppose the Canucks value the cap space a lot more than the return for the player. Maybe Chicago thinks if he starts scoring they can flip him for a third at the deadline. Or maybe Davidson is just trying to inject some talent into the Blackhawks abject lineup because Bedard's rookie season could become a long slog if management just sits on its hands. Man, I really hope Chicago feels guilty about their dumpster fire team and calls up Hughes to offer a second rounder for Dvorak. Apparently Vancouver wants to sign Nate Bear, who might solve their issues on RD. I'd think Dvorak would be a nice fit in Chicago - a local boy, young enough for them to re-sign if he's a good fit, and otherwise he'd likely fetch a 2nd as a rental in 15 months, anyways. The only issue is Montreal needs him as #2C right now, and unless Monahan is re-signed, we'd end the season with Suzuki as #1 and Evans as #4, and nothing in between (and that's assuming Evans himself isn't deals, he might be a guy a team overpays for if they think he's a perfect fit). --- The original Monahan deal was announced at the same time as the Price injury, so Montreal having cap room to play with was a new thing. The Dach deal was a couple of consecutive trades, dependent on each other, as well. I wonder if a Monahan re-signing and a Dvorak trade might be near-simultaneous, or a Montembeault extension and a goalie trade, as well. I know I wouldn't move Allen, even for a good return, if Monty isn't resigned. |
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Post by Polarice on Nov 29, 2023 6:19:03 GMT -5
Vancouver may be readying to do something bigger, though not necessarily before the New Year, by clearing cap space. Beauvillier and his $4.15 million hit off to Chicago for a fifth round pick. Beauvillier has had a solid enough NHL career thus far, but he is a former first rounder that always seems to be missing something so at this point I suppose the Canucks value the cap space a lot more than the return for the player. Maybe Chicago thinks if he starts scoring they can flip him for a third at the deadline. Or maybe Davidson is just trying to inject some talent into the Blackhawks abject lineup because Bedard's rookie season could become a long slog if management just sits on its hands. Man, I really hope Chicago feels guilty about their dumpster fire team and calls up Hughes to offer a second rounder for Dvorak. Apparently Vancouver wants to sign Nate Bear, who might solve their issues on RD. I'd think Dvorak would be a nice fit in Chicago - a local boy, young enough for them to re-sign if he's a good fit, and otherwise he'd likely fetch a 2nd as a rental in 15 months, anyways. The only issue is Montreal needs him as #2C right now, and unless Monahan is re-signed, we'd end the season with Suzuki as #1 and Evans as #4, and nothing in between (and that's assuming Evans himself isn't deals, he might be a guy a team overpays for if they think he's a perfect fit). --- The original Monahan deal was announced at the same time as the Price injury, so Montreal having cap room to play with was a new thing. The Dach deal was a couple of consecutive trades, dependent on each other, as well. I wonder if a Monahan re-signing and a Dvorak trade might be near-simultaneous, or a Montembeault extension and a goalie trade, as well. I know I wouldn't move Allen, even for a good return, if Monty isn't resigned. If we are gonna tank this year lets do it right....get rid of the vets, Monahan, Dvorak, Allen, Wideman....maybe Gallagher if the right trade comes and bring up some young guys.....not necessarily the kids but some of the older prospects. Let them get some ice time, experience....see what we got. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 29, 2023 9:26:37 GMT -5
Vancouver may be readying to do something bigger, though not necessarily before the New Year, by clearing cap space. Beauvillier and his $4.15 million hit off to Chicago for a fifth round pick. Beauvillier has had a solid enough NHL career thus far, but he is a former first rounder that always seems to be missing something so at this point I suppose the Canucks value the cap space a lot more than the return for the player. Maybe Chicago thinks if he starts scoring they can flip him for a third at the deadline. Or maybe Davidson is just trying to inject some talent into the Blackhawks abject lineup because Bedard's rookie season could become a long slog if management just sits on its hands. Man, I really hope Chicago feels guilty about their dumpster fire team and calls up Hughes to offer a second rounder for Dvorak. Apparently Vancouver wants to sign Nate Bear, who might solve their issues on RD. I'd think Dvorak would be a nice fit in Chicago - a local boy, young enough for them to re-sign if he's a good fit, and otherwise he'd likely fetch a 2nd as a rental in 15 months, anyways. The only issue is Montreal needs him as #2C right now, and unless Monahan is re-signed, we'd end the season with Suzuki as #1 and Evans as #4, and nothing in between (and that's assuming Evans himself isn't deals, he might be a guy a team overpays for if they think he's a perfect fit). --- The original Monahan deal was announced at the same time as the Price injury, so Montreal having cap room to play with was a new thing. The Dach deal was a couple of consecutive trades, dependent on each other, as well. I wonder if a Monahan re-signing and a Dvorak trade might be near-simultaneous, or a Montembeault extension and a goalie trade, as well. I know I wouldn't move Allen, even for a good return, if Monty isn't resigned. I wonder if the Canucks might want Savard, when he is healthy... |
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Post by PTH on Nov 29, 2023 9:34:37 GMT -5
Apparently Vancouver wants to sign Nate Bear, who might solve their issues on RD. I'd think Dvorak would be a nice fit in Chicago - a local boy, young enough for them to re-sign if he's a good fit, and otherwise he'd likely fetch a 2nd as a rental in 15 months, anyways. The only issue is Montreal needs him as #2C right now, and unless Monahan is re-signed, we'd end the season with Suzuki as #1 and Evans as #4, and nothing in between (and that's assuming Evans himself isn't deals, he might be a guy a team overpays for if they think he's a perfect fit). --- The original Monahan deal was announced at the same time as the Price injury, so Montreal having cap room to play with was a new thing. The Dach deal was a couple of consecutive trades, dependent on each other, as well. I wonder if a Monahan re-signing and a Dvorak trade might be near-simultaneous, or a Montembeault extension and a goalie trade, as well. I know I wouldn't move Allen, even for a good return, if Monty isn't resigned. If we are gonna tank this year lets do it right....get rid of the vets, Monahan, Dvorak, Allen, Wideman....maybe Gallagher if the right trade comes and bring up some young guys.....not necessarily the kids but some of the older prospects. Let them get some ice time, experience....see what we got. Gallagher? Despite his recent play, he'd cost us a first rounder to get rid of his contract. Wideman is hurt and likely out for the year, Allen hasn't been playing great, I don't see him fetching much of anything. Dvorak is overpaid for what he contributes, so he's not going to be easy to move. And as I wrote, we still need centers. You still have to ice an NHL team. Moving out veterans to rebuild from scratch rarely works out, much less work out for the GM doing so. And at this point, there's no one left with clear value (Matheson perhaps?). There's a reason Lehkonen and Toffoli were the first to go: they were the value contracts. We don't have any of those left. |
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