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Post by Polarice on Oct 27, 2023 8:32:32 GMT -5
Loved Marty's reaction after the game!!
This was a crappy game for the most part, sloppy, refs sucked, people playing out of position, it was very frustrating at times.
Good to see Slav and Newhook have a better game, I thought they deserved better on the score sheet....I think it's only a matter of time before they take off.
They have to do something with Anderson, get him off the top lines at least, I know he is playing hard but he's frustrating to watch.
Defence is pretty raw, as expected....I see flashes of how good they are gonna be, but they are gonna make a lot of mistakes this year.
Good to see them battle back I guess, hopefully it's a lesson learned for the future.
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Post by Skilly on Oct 27, 2023 8:47:52 GMT -5
You know, man, some of my whipping boys (Gallagher, Pearson), who I do not think are off to sustainable starts to the season, are among the prime guys who have driven the Habs to solid 5v5 numbers. I really believe over the long-haul, losing Dach is going to cripple Montreal 5v5. I think that Newhook-Dach-Slafkovsky line could have been an interesting dilemma for opponents to deal with. Now, with Newhook in a role (2C) that he failed to deliver in with the Avs last season when they really wanted him to step up, I just do not see the same potential for the second line. Though, in fairness, I would keep Anderson and Slafkovsky on Newhook's wings for another 7-10 games because a big fast line seems like a better bet than diluting everything (i.e. putting Harvey-Pinard with Newhook and the Kid). Basically Suzuki and Caufield are crazy skilled enough to make a difference in non-5v5 situations and that, even strength, opposition coaches are still going to throw top-4 d-men out there against them regardless of whether they are carrying a third wheel (Harvey-Pinard) who is woefully unsuited to playing with them. St. Louis has some headaches to grapple with. But no one said it was going to be easy at this stage of the rebuild. So can you provide examples where Newhook failed to deliver when given a chance to step up? How many Avs games did you watch last year? What are you calling the second and third line on the Avalanche? Evan Rodrigues was their second line center. He was paired with Nikushin and Byram, then later they used Toews. When Rodrigues got injured in December and Newhook’s ice time increased from 15 mins a game to 18-19 mins a game … he scored 2 goals and had 3 assists in those 9 games (and got some PP time with MacKinnon) I’d be interested to hear how you felt he didn’t step up. |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 27, 2023 10:45:24 GMT -5
I'm happy with what I see in Newhook. He's still got some developing to do but he sure has some skill and has speed and moves to go with it, and lots of effort. Very happy to give him another year or two to develop. I'd say he is ahead of where Dach was when he first joined the team. He certainly is much more effective than Suze when they drop the puck to him on the PP for the entry.
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 27, 2023 10:47:20 GMT -5
Sure, CBJ are not a good team. But that was a great win on so many levels: 1) it was a very entertaining game to watch; 2) a come from behind win, down two goals, is good for moral and never quit mentality; 3) Suze seems to have awaken; 4) did everyone else know that Cole was going to bury that one - watch Suze on the replay, and he just stands at the side of net knowing that where Cole was shooting from, it's a sure goal. Only downside was X disappeared after being hit. I was expecting a throw down at some point during the game. Perhaps he was told not to retaliate. I think he was stunned by the hit which was a cheap shot, perhaps concussed, or hurt his shoulder. Anyway, a learning moment for X that you're going to get hit and you have to know how to respond. The fact the refs did nothing is bullSaperlipopette... that was a dangerous hit and if X did that he'd be in the box, the Russian kid is big and if he hit a small guy there might be a serious injury... the refs failed I agree about the refs. If X doesn't get up, it's a major penalty and a game misconduct. Nonetheless, i expected more from X as the game proceeded, but he seemed to wilt both on the aggressive side, and his general play. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 27, 2023 11:08:19 GMT -5
You know, man, some of my whipping boys (Gallagher, Pearson), who I do not think are off to sustainable starts to the season, are among the prime guys who have driven the Habs to solid 5v5 numbers. I really believe over the long-haul, losing Dach is going to cripple Montreal 5v5. I think that Newhook-Dach-Slafkovsky line could have been an interesting dilemma for opponents to deal with. Now, with Newhook in a role (2C) that he failed to deliver in with the Avs last season when they really wanted him to step up, I just do not see the same potential for the second line. Though, in fairness, I would keep Anderson and Slafkovsky on Newhook's wings for another 7-10 games because a big fast line seems like a better bet than diluting everything (i.e. putting Harvey-Pinard with Newhook and the Kid). Basically Suzuki and Caufield are crazy skilled enough to make a difference in non-5v5 situations and that, even strength, opposition coaches are still going to throw top-4 d-men out there against them regardless of whether they are carrying a third wheel (Harvey-Pinard) who is woefully unsuited to playing with them. St. Louis has some headaches to grapple with. But no one said it was going to be easy at this stage of the rebuild. Once again, what i saw in the 2nd and 3rd period was that RHP was invisible... I just don't think he can handle the pressure... I think if Roy got a chance he would run with it... smarts, skill, speed... it would be a really fun line to watch My first thought was to try Ylonen there. Enough size, lots of speed, some scoring potential , good shot. It’s almost like seniority is preventing that move, but I think it’s worth it. |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 27, 2023 11:12:20 GMT -5
If Xhekaj ‘wilted’ then its an injury. There are no boundaries to his competitive juices and perseverance.
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 27, 2023 11:21:54 GMT -5
If Xhekaj ‘wilted’ then its an injury. There are no boundaries to his competitive juices and perseverance. I think someone told him to take a number and wait, they were behind at the time... hope he's not hurt... |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 27, 2023 12:26:27 GMT -5
If Xhekaj ‘wilted’ then its an injury. There are no boundaries to his competitive juices and perseverance. I think someone told him to take a number and wait, they were behind at the time... hope he's not hurt... He was definitely upset as he skated to the box which is not his normal way after a fight. Anyway, as i said, hopefully a learning experience. The good news is that he did not do anything stupid (MacSorley, Bertuzzi), and cost the team. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Oct 27, 2023 13:41:22 GMT -5
Once again, what i saw in the 2nd and 3rd period was that RHP was invisible... I just don't think he can handle the pressure... I think if Roy got a chance he would run with it... smarts, skill, speed... it would be a really fun line to watch My first thought was to try Ylonen there. Enough size, lots of speed, some scoring potential , good shot. It’s almost like seniority is preventing that move, but I think it’s worth it. In the games the Habs won, they were outplayed and received outstanding goaltending and a fair share of bounces. Still it's the final score that counts. My pet peeve is puck possession. i see a lot of dump the puck and change lines. Why not return the puck to the go0altender and huste off for a line change. 3 on 3 shows the importance of puck possession. When a player is stuck, send it back to the goaltender like they do in soccer. We have a lot of talent but are lacking in elite players. Why is it that little Caufeld continualy lights the lamp but bigger faster stronger players don't make it to the scoresheet as often? Hard work, hustle, go to the open spaces, finish and focus on puck possession. We are good at sacrificing the body to block shots so it's not a lack of courage or desire. Michkov would look good out there alongside Cole. |
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Post by folatre on Oct 27, 2023 14:55:17 GMT -5
Skilly, maybe I watch a little too much hockey, but Colorado is a marquee team in the league and were coming off a Cup so yeah I watched a lot of their games last season. I am not saying Newhook had a bad season. But the reality is Colorado had a hole down the middle after Kadri left and management were hoping Newhook could nail down the 2C spot. But it just did not work out, maybe Bednar did not give him enough runway. A guy who had really been a role player (Compher) his entire career stepped up, produced more, and grabbed the opportunity. Rodrigues played mostly on the wing, aside from a few games when they were missing MacKinnon.
Regarding Caufield, the kid not only has an elite shot. He really has great offensive instincts in general. I have no idea what 'goals' Caufield may have privately set for himself this season, but I love the number 40 and assuming he plays 75+ games and the Habs power play is league average then I am excited about him hitting that number. And Suzuki should reach 80 points.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 27, 2023 15:23:06 GMT -5
CC has developed a great fake shot to freeze the defender and then the quickness to move over 5 feet over for a clear shot.
I hear from you guys that Newhook is getting better. I hope so.
I didn't get the last two games so no comment. I'm still working on how to get and record the games for a low cost. I'm NOT paying Robbers $200. Right now, I have at least 5 ways to get the game live, but can't spare the time. Besides, it's hard to comment without the ability to review it.
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Post by Cranky on Oct 27, 2023 15:25:00 GMT -5
X was injured last year in a fight. We should NOT expect him to fight every piece of worthless trash that crosses his path. That's the role of a real goon, not a top 4.
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Post by seventeen on Oct 27, 2023 20:04:59 GMT -5
CC has developed a great fake shot to freeze the defender and then the quickness to move over 5 feet over for a clear shot. I hear from you guys that Newhook is getting better. I hope so. I didn't get the last two games so no comment. I'm still working on how to get and record the games for a low cost. I'm NOT paying Robbers $200. Right now, I have at least 5 ways to get the game live, but can't spare the time. Besides, it's hard to comment without the ability to review it. I am SO with you on this. It's not that I can't afford to buy the package that will give me Habs games, I just hate to pay what I think is a ridiculous price, so I won't. I'm not subsidizing some greedy jerk. |
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Post by habsorbed on Oct 27, 2023 21:16:26 GMT -5
X was injured last year in a fight. We should NOT expect him to fight every piece of worthless trash that crosses his path. That's the role of a real goon, not a top 4. I appreciate you didn't see the game, but when your tough guy is run from behind they should get up and drops the gloves as X did. My concern/problem is X was unnoticeable the rest of the game when CJB were taking liberties with our players, including another hit from behind. Was he injured or stunned? |
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Post by Skilly on Oct 28, 2023 12:12:39 GMT -5
Caufield's OT goal, his sixth, ties him for 7th place on the Habs OT goal list with Alex Galchenyuk Cole Caufield set an NHL record for fastest player in history to score 6 OT goals 1. Cole Caufield - 130 games 2. Brayden Point - 190 games 3. Frank Finnegan - 192 games |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 28, 2023 14:11:54 GMT -5
Caufield's OT goal, his sixth, ties him for 7th place on the Habs OT goal list with Alex Galchenyuk Cole Caufield set an NHL record for fastest player in history to score 6 OT goals 1. Cole Caufield - 130 games 2. Brayden Point - 180 games 3. Frank Finnegan - 182 games I thought Matthews was the fastest at everything... that's what Sportsnet writers say... |
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Post by seventeen on Oct 28, 2023 15:12:16 GMT -5
Cole Caufield set an NHL record for fastest player in history to score 6 OT goals 1. Cole Caufield - 130 games 2. Brayden Point - 180 games 3. Frank Finnegan - 182 games I thought Matthews was the fastest at everything... that's what Sportsnet writers say... Matthews doesn't score important goals, so that category doesn't count in the "Praise the Lord" campaign. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Oct 28, 2023 15:39:29 GMT -5
I thought Matthews was the fastest at everything... that's what Sportsnet writers say... Matthews doesn't score important goals, so that category doesn't count in the "Praise the Lord" campaign. Bazinga |
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