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Post by seventeen on Nov 18, 2023 20:44:17 GMT -5
Can’t believe how often the puck bounces to a Bruin. Same as last year.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 18, 2023 20:45:36 GMT -5
Just awful. No improvement at all in the last 100 games. Not so sure MSL is the right guy anymore. No system, no powerplay, no penalty kill, no improvement, players regressing I’d wait a bit longer but have the same concerns. Now, I ask you, how would you break that news? They'll mask it as a promotion. Assistant gm, special advisor.. Then rehire Claude Julien |
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Post by jkr on Nov 18, 2023 20:46:39 GMT -5
Why is Marchand’s helmet a slightly different shade than the rest? Yup, I am officially distracted by anything right now. Not much else going on. When I first saw those helmets and pants I thought they were black. Now they look brown. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 18, 2023 20:49:18 GMT -5
I miss the potential for Xhekaj to pound the crap out of Frederic.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 18, 2023 20:50:10 GMT -5
I’d wait a bit longer but have the same concerns. Now, I ask you, how would you break that news? They'll mask it as a promotion. Assistant gm, special advisor.. Then rehire Claude Julien Nope. Michel Therrien. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 18, 2023 21:02:36 GMT -5
For sure, man, I agree. Pasta is a top-three winger in the league every day of the week. Marchand is still a top fifty player in the league based just on productivity and that does not even start counting the intangibles he brings to their club with the never die mentality. And even though I personally do not rate McAvoy among the top ten d-men in the league, there is no denying he is a legit number one who plays astrong two-way game. Regarding Ulmark and Swayman, they look good and they are good, don't get me wrong, but I really wonder if they are the happy beneficiaries of a rock solid system and 18 skaters in front of them who give everything to put the team first, which is not the reality when you suit up for 20 or 25 teams in the NHL.
But there is also no denying that Boston is not particularly talented down the middle and that will probably be underlying cause of the downfall in the playoffs.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 18, 2023 21:08:58 GMT -5
They'll mask it as a promotion. Assistant gm, special advisor.. Then rehire Claude Julien Nope. Michel Therrien. As long as Serge Savard is consulted and gives his blessing, Im sure the masses will go along with it |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 18, 2023 21:09:38 GMT -5
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Post by seventeen on Nov 18, 2023 21:15:13 GMT -5
For sure, man, I agree. Pasta is a top-three winger in the league every day of the week. Marchand is still a top fifty player in the league based just on productivity and that does not even start counting the intangibles he brings to their club with the never die mentality. And even though I personally do not rate McAvoy among the top ten d-men in the league, there is no denying he is a legit number one who plays astrong two-way game. Regarding Ulmark and Swayman, they look good and they are good, don't get me wrong, but I really wonder if they are the happy beneficiaries of a rock solid system and 18 skaters in front of them who give everything to put the team first, which is not the reality when you suit up for 20 or 25 teams in the NHL. But there is also no denying that Boston is not particularly talented down the middle and that will probably be underlying cause of the downfall in the playoffs. Well summed up. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 18, 2023 21:18:16 GMT -5
That’s going to ruin Skilly’s projections. 😇😄 Skilly has no projections on Slaf that he is aware of ... other than he won't have Joe Thornton type numbers by the end of this year Now Caufield ... that's a different story. I said in preseason that he wasn't scoring 40, but I also had him getting way more assists than last year. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 18, 2023 21:21:15 GMT -5
But with Boston's talent level (not awe inspiring), one could argue that bossing the regular season is giving them the best possible chance to be successful given the fact that their roster is not elite. They have one of the best goal scorers in the league in Pasta They have one of the most talented pests in the league in Marchand They have an excellent young all around defenseman in McAvoy They have one of the best goalie tandem in the league Maybe not elite but beyond Guhle, Montreal does does have any of those things. Haven't ya heard, the team is built solely on luck ....Montreal can only dream of being so lucky with good draft picks and solid player development Imagine the best argument you can come up with for claiming a team was bad is three trips to the finals 👀👀 |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 18, 2023 21:23:25 GMT -5
Hope the beer is at least good for the Dads in attendance tonight.
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Post by folatre on Nov 18, 2023 21:25:45 GMT -5
Never been to a Bruins game in Boston, what's on tap, Sam Adams?
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 18, 2023 21:29:39 GMT -5
Never been to a Bruins game in Boston, what's on tap, Sam Adams? One would hope |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 18, 2023 21:33:28 GMT -5
How's the beating's going?
Another day, another game flushed.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 18, 2023 21:39:45 GMT -5
Nice play by Dvo to give to Kovy who was parked in the paint.
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 18, 2023 21:41:22 GMT -5
How's the beating's going? Another day, another game flushed. This is as delete-able as it gets. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 18, 2023 21:42:24 GMT -5
Those wankers are trying to get Frederic a hattie. Depressing times.
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 19, 2023 0:15:37 GMT -5
That was embarassment. Men against boys. Other than Guhle no one showed up or, worse yet, they did show up and we ain't very good.
We were grossly outplayed in every aspect of the game: passing, shooting, board battles,PP, PK, hitting with some nastiness. Wow we got a long way to go.
Very disappointed in "the vets" who seemed completely disinterested: Monahan, Pearson, Gally. And for Suze and Cole not to show up is not a good look.
The best thing about that game was the score at 5-2. Could have easily been 10-1.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 19, 2023 3:08:50 GMT -5
They have one of the best goal scorers in the league in Pasta They have one of the most talented pests in the league in Marchand They have an excellent young all around defenseman in McAvoy They have one of the best goalie tandem in the league Maybe not elite but beyond Guhle, Montreal does does have any of those things. Haven't ya heard, the team is built solely on luck ....Montreal can only dream of being so lucky with good draft picks and solid player development Imagine the best argument you can come up with for claiming a team was bad is three trips to the finals 👀👀 I guess it depends on if you define success as winning a Cup or almost winning a Cup. I don’t want to be the Bruins. They’re not good enough. Yes we suck but we’re headed in the right direction. Not so sure the Bruins are but not my problem. |
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Post by Boston_Habs on Nov 19, 2023 7:09:02 GMT -5
Brutal game. It’s time to acknowledge how far MSL has to go to be a successful head coach. I still think he’s a great hire but he’s not a true X’s and O’s guy and still needs to learn how to manage the game and be better prepared at the start. My recommendation would be to get rid of Burrrows next year and hire an experienced ex head coach to be the primary assistant to fill in the gaps and complement Marty.
Some positives were Slaf had a good game, the first line was decent except for Caufield, and Dvorak has been useful. But Josh Anderson sucks and needs to be out of the top 6 or better yet off the team. Gallagher has an A on his shirt and been around too long to play this dumb.
It’s a bad stretch for sure. I think losing Kirby Dach has been a massive blow to the year and the progress but we might as well get another top 5 pick.
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Post by folatre on Nov 19, 2023 10:54:57 GMT -5
Aside from the odd one here or there (Rangers, Kings, etc.), rebuilds are generally a tough slog.
For sure, losing Dach was a massive blow. And as the Habs near the quarter mark of the season, in a lot of ways things are starting to look rather dire. I mean, Montreal is already by points percentage ninth worst in the league and, even more shocking, the boys have the fewest regulation wins.
It certainly appears Montreal will lose contact with the pack before Christmas. And it is what it is, but I would literally classify the Habs as a mortal lock to have a top ten pick, perhaps even top five yet again.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 19, 2023 12:40:04 GMT -5
For sure, man, I agree. Pasta is a top-three winger in the league every day of the week. Marchand is still a top fifty player in the league based just on productivity and that does not even start counting the intangibles he brings to their club with the never die mentality. And even though I personally do not rate McAvoy among the top ten d-men in the league, there is no denying he is a legit number one who plays astrong two-way game. Regarding Ulmark and Swayman, they look good and they are good, don't get me wrong, but I really wonder if they are the happy beneficiaries of a rock solid system and 18 skaters in front of them who give everything to put the team first, which is not the reality when you suit up for 20 or 25 teams in the NHL. But there is also no denying that Boston is not particularly talented down the middle and that will probably be underlying cause of the downfall in the playoffs. I'd agree that they look to be on the decline but one solid trade can vastly improve their depth at center and they constantly develop legit NHL talent without top picks. Just a few of many, many reasons to grudgingly respect hate the Bruins |
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 19, 2023 12:52:26 GMT -5
Brutal game. It’s time to acknowledge how far MSL has to go to be a successful head coach. I still think he’s a great hire but he’s not a true X’s and O’s guy and still needs to learn how to manage the game and be better prepared at the start. My recommendation would be to get rid of Burrrows next year and hire an experienced ex head coach to be the primary assistant to fill in the gaps and complement Marty. Some positives were Slaf had a good game, the first line was decent except for Caufield, and Dvorak has been useful. But Josh Anderson sucks and needs to be out of the top 6 or better yet off the team. Gallagher has an A on his shirt and been around too long to play this dumb. It’s a bad stretch for sure. I think losing Kirby Dach has been a massive blow to the year and the progress but we might as well get another top 5 pick. Fully agree on getting new assistant coaches. The probloem may be Marty, but the only way to find out is give him some decent experienced coaches before we move him upstairs. 2nd worst in the league in penalties, terrible PK and not much better PP. And I see no structure or strategy. That's all on the coaching. Marty is a motivator. We need strategist behind the bench to help him. Let's see how we do agianst the Sharks this week. A loss there and we may see some changes. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 19, 2023 13:29:03 GMT -5
I think losing Kirby Dach has been a massive blow to the year and the progress but we might as well get another top 5 pick. I read somewhere that the loss of Kirby Dach kind of knocked the wind out of the team ... this was supposed to be a breakout year for Dach, and they're just not the same team without him ... the only other player that comes to mind who started his NHL career with a run of bad luck is Serge Savard ... he broke the same leg twice in a 10-month span, yet he went on to a HoF career ... I'm not saying Dach will be a Hall-of-Famer, only that he can still have an NHL career once he's fully mended ... Cheers. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Nov 19, 2023 13:29:50 GMT -5
Fully agree on getting new assistant coaches. The probloem may be Marty, but the only way to find out is give him some decent experienced coaches before we move him upstairs. 2nd worst in the league in penalties, terrible PK and not much better PP. And I see no structure or strategy. That's all on the coaching. Marty is a motivator. We need strategist behind the bench to help him. Let's see how we do agianst the Sharks this week. A loss there and we may see some changes. I actually thought that assistant Trevor Letowski with his OHL head coaching experience would be the right structure/systems/Xs&Os counter to Marty’s ra-ra/play-more-free style. Unfortunately, there is no evidence on the ice that this is the case. Burrows really seems like the odd guy out. His gars de chez nous “done well” story can be trumped by MSL’ undrafted and HHOF career, and the special teams have been a mess for the most part. The brass may be cutting the coaching staff some slack since they are not in the win-now mode and are focused on development right now. However (and this is a big “yeah, but”), you need to see team development as well as individual player development. The team is more fun to watch, but they still look like a hot mess in their own end far too often. At some point, the business decision to make the hard choice to get the right mix of skill sets behind the bench to take the team to the next level will have to be made. Needless to say, with that abysmal performance last night, the boys have slipped into 22nd spot which is a bottom ten slot. Based on how that have played of late, that is a much truer representation of the team sans-Dach than the early season success. Already looking at NHL standings…yikes! |
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 19, 2023 14:26:28 GMT -5
Bottom ten is a given and likely bottom 5. Wouldn't that be something if we get the first overall pick, so we bookend #1 picks around Bedard. There's no accounting for bad luck  |
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Post by Cranky on Nov 19, 2023 15:08:04 GMT -5
I thought we were past the very bottom of rebuild and now we would start to implement structure and discipline. NOT seeing it happen. In fact i really don't see any improvment from the specialty teams even though we are suppose to have better players.
Marty needs to be looked at as an assistant coach, a players coach much like Muller, rather then a structure based 1st rate coach that will take us to the Promised Land.
This can't go on for 3-4 years waiting for Marty to develop into that coach. If ever. Sorry.
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Post by PTH on Nov 19, 2023 15:43:30 GMT -5
That was painful to watch.
I'm also souring on MSL as a coach... I think he might be a perfect Jacques Demers type, to encourage players to open it up and be creative, but this only works after a systems-type, hard-working type like Burns or Jacques Martin has given the team a solid structure.
While MSL doesn't have all that much to work with, he also isn't making this lineup into more than the sum of its parts.
I'd be happy with a first overall pick, while Bedard would've been fun, getting a high-end player doesn't guarantee anything... just look at the Oilers foundering around McDavid. Getting another top-end forward, whether a C or a W, would give this team enough firepower to build around without needing to deal with the top-heavy issues that plague teams like the Leafs.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 19, 2023 18:58:16 GMT -5
That was painful to watch. I'm also souring on MSL as a coach... I think he might be a perfect Jacques Demers type, to encourage players to open it up and be creative, but this only works after a systems-type, hard-working type like Burns or Jacques Martin has given the team a solid structure. While MSL doesn't have all that much to work with, he also isn't making this lineup into more than the sum of its parts. I'd be happy with a first overall pick, while Bedard would've been fun, getting a high-end player doesn't guarantee anything... just look at the Oilers foundering around McDavid. Getting another top-end forward, whether a C or a W, would give this team enough firepower to build around without needing to deal with the top-heavy issues that plague teams like the Leafs. They are struggling to play MSLs non-system system and I'm sure he's frustrated that they dont get it... I sometimes think MSL thinks his players have the ability to be more adaptable... they spent their whole life playing systems and now they have to react instantaneously to a change.... sort of reminds me of Total Football on Ted Lasso |
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