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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 24, 2023 17:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Nov 24, 2023 21:50:55 GMT -5
I live in southern Ontario so Saturday night on City TV is the only Habs game I see all week.
Thanks to this odd start time, City TV wont be showing this.
What's with these 12:30 and 1pm local start times anyway?
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 24, 2023 21:56:05 GMT -5
I live in southern Ontario so Saturday night on City TV is the only Habs game I see all week. Thanks to this odd start time, City TV wont be showing this. What's with these 12:30 and 1pm local start times anyway? Yanksgiving weekend |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Nov 25, 2023 10:35:20 GMT -5
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Post by Skilly on Nov 25, 2023 10:57:08 GMT -5
I'll consider this a W if we can keep the scoring under a touchdown .. 🥴
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Post by folatre on Nov 25, 2023 11:42:37 GMT -5
The Kings are tough and the boys could well get embarrassed this afternoon if they play like they did for long portions of the games against the Ducks and Sharks.
Los Angeles is an interesting case, coming off the rails from 2018-21, but rebounding nicely in the aftermath. Are there any lessons? I am not sure, really. Kopitar and Doughty were still high-end players with big contracts so those guys not falling off the cliff was probably huge. But it is not like the high draft picks yielded any clear day one game changers. Turcotte was basically a bust. Brandt looks like the real deal but the org is taking their time with him so he does not help explain how the Kings recovered quickly. Byfield is now emerging but management had to be patient and did not rush him.
I don't know. If there was any pattern, it just seems to be good pro scouting, having the stones to make trades, and management being relatable so the guys (Fiala, Dubois, Gavrikov) they traded for buy in on signing. I suppose LA has also done pretty well with UFAs (Danault), mid-round picks, and dumpster dives.
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 25, 2023 11:49:50 GMT -5
It has to be Bergevin... he's the genius behind it all... when he was a little boy growing up he dreamed of being part of the Los Angeles Kings organization
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 14:08:28 GMT -5
I live in southern Ontario so Saturday night on City TV is the only Habs game I see all week. Thanks to this odd start time, City TV wont be showing this. What's with these 12:30 and 1pm local start times anyway? Yanksgiving weekend Not bad. Did you come up with that, or hear it somewhere? |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 14:10:14 GMT -5
It has to be Bergevin... he's the genius behind it all... when he was a little boy growing up he dreamed of being part of the Los Angeles Kings organization This one isn't going to go away easily, is it? And deservedly so. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Nov 25, 2023 14:15:59 GMT -5
It has to be Bergevin... he's the genius behind it all... when he was a little boy growing up he dreamed of being part of the Los Angeles Kings organization This one isn't going to go away easily, is it? And deservedly so. I slammed burgerbrain and Blanche at the same time |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 14:42:45 GMT -5
The Kings are tough and the boys could well get embarrassed this afternoon if they play like they did for long portions of the games against the Ducks and Sharks. Los Angeles is an interesting case, coming off the rails from 2018-21, but rebounding nicely in the aftermath. Are there any lessons? I am not sure, really. Kopitar and Doughty were still high-end players with big contracts so those guys not falling off the cliff was probably huge. But it is not like the high draft picks yielded any clear day one game changers. Turcotte was basically a bust. Brandt looks like the real deal but the org is taking their time with him so he does not help explain how the Kings recovered quickly. Byfield is now emerging but management had to be patient and did not rush him. I don't know. If there was any pattern, it just seems to be good pro scouting, having the stones to make trades, and management being relatable so the guys (Fiala, Dubois, Gavrikov) they traded for buy in on signing. I suppose LA has also done pretty well with UFAs (Danault), mid-round picks, and dumpster dives. You got me thinking because this is exactly right, but how did they accumulate the assets to make trades etc.? Micht have to go back as far as 2014. 2014 - Adrian Kempe, Mike Amadio, Jacob Middleton 2015 - Erik Cernak, Matt Roy 2016 - michael Eyssimont 2017 - Gabe Villardi, Jaret Anderson-Dolan, Michael Anderson 2018 - Rasmus Kupari, 2019 - Alex Turcotte, Tobial Bjornfot, Arthur Kaliyev 2020 - Quinton Byfield, Helge Grans, Brock Faber, Alex Laferriere, 2021 - Brandt Clarke As folatre stated, the scouting record is pretty average. They did a good job of selecting some complementary players late and those guys are on the team or were used in trades. Cernak's return didn't amount to much. Matt Roy is a regular dman, Somem guys were just let go and have turned into NHL'rs later...Eyssimont being an example. The 2017 draft was kind. Anderson-Dolan and 'Mikey" Anderson are regulars on defense, Villardi and Kupari turned in Dubois. 2019 was a very good draft year and all they got out of it (so far) is Kaliyev. Byfield is getting there this year and Brock Faber became Kevin Fiala. Minny had to gain CAP space so LA was able to acquire Fiala, a really good player, but Brock Faber is becoming one hell of a dman, too. It's hard to figure out these Kings. Thanks to Bergie, they were able to acquire Danault for nothing but a contract and he's the best shut down centre in the league. Lots of strength up the middle with Kopitar, Dubois and Danault. Enough that they could play Kempe on the wing. On D, Doughty is having a terrific year but he'll be 34 in a couple of weeks. They have a bunch of big, solid guys who can clear the net front, McLellan is a solid coach who has a solid system but they do depend heavily on a couple of older guys (doughty and Kopitar) which is fine, but can hurt you if they get injured at a key time. The final potential weakness is goaltending. Cam Talbot (you remember, the guy the Oilers thought was a solution) is sporting a .931 save % and that's been a key to the LA record. Fiala, and Danault have been key parts of LA's success and Dubois should add to that at some point. It seems the odd good pick and some trades and a UFA signing are at fault. Can ths keep up is the question and will Talbot be good enough in the playoffs? |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Nov 25, 2023 14:55:54 GMT -5
Not bad. Did you come up with that, or hear it somewhere? My grandmother had a thing for American geophysicists but was proud of ensuring everyone knew she was Canadian by birth. I'm probably just parroting Grandma. |
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 25, 2023 16:42:10 GMT -5
Habs have one shot on net in the first 15 minutes. Tired from 3 games in 4 days perhaps but gotta do better
1 zip Kings
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Post by folatre on Nov 25, 2023 18:12:20 GMT -5
The boys played better in the second, but that is not saying much. Both teams played yesterday. Los Angeles is a more complete roster, no doubt; but I really think this is also a case where the Habs and their low expectations were satisfied with four points on the West Coast swing and just mentally mailed this one in.
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Post by drkcloud on Nov 25, 2023 18:38:51 GMT -5
Shut out by the goaltending prowess of Phoenix Copley. I hope MSL figures out his lineup soon
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Post by folatre on Nov 25, 2023 18:53:46 GMT -5
Mr. Vezina, oh wait, Copley, is a wall. Kidding aside, this is one of those many reminders bad teams receive in a long NHL season regarding how far away they are from being competitive.
I like St. Louis. He is honest, respectful, and relatable. Though who knows, I think next season he goes on the clock in earnest, not in terms of playoffs or bust, but in terms of having a disciplined team skating as five man units as well as at least average special teams.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 19:04:50 GMT -5
Hear, hear. There are different ways to lose and I don’t like the look of our losses. If you get beaten because of lack of talent ok. If you beat yourself, not good. We’ve been a mix of both. Next year should reduce the talent excuse.
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Post by seventeen on Nov 25, 2023 19:16:11 GMT -5
I missed the game but it looks like our 4th line was especially victimized. Was it at least a little more even on the top two? Did jake play at an .867 level or was he better?
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Post by Skilly on Nov 25, 2023 20:10:41 GMT -5
This is my weekly reminder that Caufield is now on pace for 24 goals. (And only if he keeps scoring in 3 on 3 OT) After he breaks out with 3 hat tricks in one week, are we supposed to provide a reminder that he his on a 60 goal pace? It's a long season. Well this wasn't the week that Caufield got 3 hat tricks ... but in 4 games he did manage to get one goal After 21 games, Caufield is now on pace to score 23 goals |
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Post by PTH on Nov 26, 2023 1:25:20 GMT -5
I missed the game but it looks like our 4th line was especially victimized. Was it at least a little more even on the top two? Did jake play at an .867 level or was he better? The 4th line was no worse than the others.... Suzuki's line was overall the better one, but all 4 got dominated. Allen wasn't great. All 4 goals were stoppable, IMO. I think he doesn't want LA to try and trade for him. What's with Dvorak constantly getting kicked out of faceoff circles, both yesterday and today ? Was there a rule tweak and he can't cheat like he used to in some minor fashion ? Games like tonight make me think the rebuild will be long and painful. |
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2023 2:11:57 GMT -5
Dominted. Schooled. Embarrassed. Pick your word. No one played well but some were awful: Cole, Suze, Slafs, Evans. I'm thinking they went out on the town in LA last night and then went to the beach for a few hours in the morning and then went and suited up for the game. But playing hockey was not something on their minds. And here's a thought Marty: when you're down 3-0 and 4-0 and you were outshot by the worst team in the league the day before, maybe, just maybe, you might want to juggle the lines  Keeping Dvo between Cole and Slafs in simply moronic. |
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Post by seventeen on Nov 26, 2023 2:24:10 GMT -5
After he breaks out with 3 hat tricks in one week, are we supposed to provide a reminder that he his on a 60 goal pace? It's a long season. Well this wasn't the week that Caufield got 3 hat tricks ... but in 4 games he did manage to get one goal After 21 games, Caufield is now on pace to score 23 goals See? The pace is increasing.  |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 26, 2023 9:09:06 GMT -5
Well this wasn't the week that Caufield got 3 hat tricks ... but in 4 games he did manage to get one goal After 21 games, Caufield is now on pace to score 23 goals See? The pace is increasing. 24 last week 23 this week 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 26, 2023 9:12:00 GMT -5
Dominted. Schooled. Embarrassed. Pick your word. No one played well but some were awful: Cole, Suze, Slafs, Evans. I'm thinking they went out on the town in LA last night and then went to the beach for a few hours in the morning and then went and suited up for the game. But playing hockey was not something on their minds. And here's a thought Marty: when you're down 3-0 and 4-0 and you were outshot by the worst team in the league the day before, maybe, just maybe, you might want to juggle the lines Keeping Dvo between Cole and Slafs in simply moronic. Montreal had their rookie dinner meal in LA Social media is raving about how good Slaf was in this game. You include him in the awful category. This is why production matters and not just eye tests and looking good. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2023 10:58:58 GMT -5
Dominted. Schooled. Embarrassed. Pick your word. No one played well but some were awful: Cole, Suze, Slafs, Evans. I'm thinking they went out on the town in LA last night and then went to the beach for a few hours in the morning and then went and suited up for the game. But playing hockey was not something on their minds. And here's a thought Marty: when you're down 3-0 and 4-0 and you were outshot by the worst team in the league the day before, maybe, just maybe, you might want to juggle the lines Keeping Dvo between Cole and Slafs in simply moronic. Montreal had their rookie dinner meal in LA Social media is raving about how good Slaf was in this game. You include him in the awful category. This is why production matters and not just eye tests and looking good. When I'm feeling cynical I think advanced stats exist to make guys with bad numbers look good.  |
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2023 11:00:30 GMT -5
Habs have one shot on net in the first 15 minutes. Tired from 3 games in 4 days perhaps but gotta do better 1 zip Kings And that shot came from about 150 feet away. |
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Post by Skilly on Nov 26, 2023 12:59:32 GMT -5
Question for the board
At the quarter poll of the season, who do you consider the team MVP so far, and how concerned are you that it most definitely is not Suzuki or Caufield?
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Post by habsorbed on Nov 26, 2023 13:03:05 GMT -5
Question for the board At the quarter poll of the season, who do you consider the team MVP so far, and how concerned are you that it most definitely is not Suzuki or Caufield? Without a doubt Guhle. Great at both ends, has a terrific +/-, is. beast and a leader. Would consider giving him the 'C' - sorry Nick. |
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Post by jkr on Nov 26, 2023 13:24:23 GMT -5
Question for the board At the quarter poll of the season, who do you consider the team MVP so far, and how concerned are you that it most definitely is not Suzuki or Caufield? I'm very concerned. Suzuki got off to a really slow start & doesn't seem dominant to me. As for Caufield, I don't know what's up. He doesn't look close to the guy from last season. I'm hoping it's not the surgery and perhaps a slow start or being separated from Suzuki. As for MVP I would agree that Guhle is a good choice. |
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Post by folatre on Nov 26, 2023 15:58:23 GMT -5
Rookie dinner, eh? Not that it is tremendously important, but my son and I started thinking about who was actually a 'rookie' since all those guys like Xhekaj, Slafkovsky, Harris, Guhle, and Kovacevic would have been last fall.
I assume Primeau, despite having few games in the league, is not just because he debuted a long time ago. I assume the rookies were basically Harvey-Pinard, Ylonen, and Barron since although they played a lot with the Habs last season but all of them came up later. And I guess poor Struble, who has yet to cash an NHL paycheque, logically could have been included in the gang. Was Norlinder with the team on this trip?
Regarding Skilly's informal poll, I will go off the board (jeje I doubt anyone will agree with me) and say Montembeault.
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Keeping Dvo between Cole and Slafs in simply moronic. 
