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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 19, 2023 1:08:29 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2023 14:29:46 GMT -5
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Post by jkr on Dec 20, 2023 15:21:24 GMT -5
I continue to be puzzled when I see these articles about advanced stats and how good things look. The bottom line is goals and I'm not seeing a lot of them.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2023 16:03:44 GMT -5
I continue to be puzzled when I see these articles about advanced stats and how good things look. The bottom line is goals and I'm not seeing a lot of them. I think why the 1st line is not producing goals is because Cole has no zip in his shot... he's tentative... if you look at how he is shooting this year compared to last year, it's night and day... Slaf has a good shot but as a kid, he will always pass first, the coaches need to stay on him about shooting. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 20, 2023 16:55:32 GMT -5
I have two eyes and they tell me that Slaf ain't no Dach.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2023 17:17:12 GMT -5
I have two eyes and they tell me that Slaf ain't no Dach. Kirby was a 3OA and didn't do a lot until he joined the habs at 21... let's give Slaf until he's 21 to see if he can produce Dach numbers |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 20, 2023 17:45:42 GMT -5
I have two eyes and they tell me that Slaf ain't no Dach. Can't believe I'm saying this but right now Slavkovsky belongs on the first line with other than Caufield and Suzuki. This reset rebuild is hurry up and wait, not even two steps forwar and one step back. The fourth line is showing hard work works and entitlement doesn't. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 20, 2023 17:59:08 GMT -5
I have two eyes and they tell me that Slaf ain't no Dach. Kirby was a 3OA and didn't do a lot until he joined the habs at 21... let's give Slaf until he's 21 to see if he can produce Dach numbers Long term, Dach has a higher potential then Slaf. Those two games before he got hurt were absolutely Lemieux level dominating, something I haven't seen in a Habs sweater in a long time. He literally did whatever he wanted on the ice. I just hope he doesn't have aftereffect from this injury. As for Slaf, of course I want him to be the second coming of Peter Mahovalich, but I simply don't see the level of tools that Dach has. We'll see... |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 20, 2023 18:55:56 GMT -5
Kirby was a 3OA and didn't do a lot until he joined the habs at 21... let's give Slaf until he's 21 to see if he can produce Dach numbers Long term, Dach has a higher potential then Slaf. Those two games before he got hurt were absolutely Lemieux level dominating, something I haven't seen in a Habs sweater in a long time. He literally did whatever he wanted on the ice. I just hope he doesn't have aftereffect from this injury. As for Slaf, of course I want him to be the second coming of Peter Mahovalich, but I simply don't see the level of tools that Dach has. We'll see... I don't think Dach had figured out the tools he had while he was in Chicago otherwise they wouldn't have traded him. So give Slaf the time that Kirby's taken to figure out his tools... |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Dec 20, 2023 20:10:50 GMT -5
Kirby was a 3OA and didn't do a lot until he joined the habs at 21... let's give Slaf until he's 21 to see if he can produce Dach numbers Long term, Dach has a higher potential then Slaf. Those two games before he got hurt were absolutely Lemieux level dominating, something I haven't seen in a Habs sweater in a long time. He literally did whatever he wanted on the ice. I just hope he doesn't have aftereffect from this injury. As for Slaf, of course I want him to be the second coming of Peter Mahovalich, but I simply don't see the level of tools that Dach has. We'll see... Lemieux makes an excellent comparison. Lemieux at his peak and healthy was a generational talent. Injuries and health issues robbed him of his full potential. Injuries and health are killers but they seem to affect the same players repeatedly. Certain players have the toolsets but don’t achieve their potential. The guys who built the pyramids didn’t have the tools but accomplished greatness without iron, steel, wheels, electricity, computers and project schedules. What you accomplish is what you do not what your potential or tools. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 20, 2023 21:10:08 GMT -5
Dach would have to stay healthy, rack up at least five 100+ point seasons, and get his name on the Stanley Cup in order to even crack open the door to the Lemieux stratosphere of greatness.
But, yes, stylistically I can see the comparison on the odd night here or there because Dach is a rangy 1.93 m righty centre with a slick handle transporting the puck, deceptive speed, and excellent vision.
Minnesota is enjoying the coach bump. Yet there is no denying their roster is mediocre. However, without looking up any stats, my short term memory recall tells me the Habs always play dreadful against the Wild and that a guy like Eriksson Ek plays like Messier and a 4th liner like Duhaime plays like McPhee.
I wonder who will be in net for both teams.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 20, 2023 22:55:02 GMT -5
I'm not saying Dach is the next Lemieux, what I'm saying those two games were Lemieux level jaw dropping.
If he remains healthy and he mentally shrugs off the injury bug, forget the 8.5 million dollar donkey and maybe even past Suzuki.
One other thing I noticed is a bad dandruff edge. He doesn't go around rearranging his opponents bodies but he will show a capable nasty side.
Yes, I'm overdosing on hopium...
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 21, 2023 2:43:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying Dach is the next Lemieux, what I'm saying those two games were Lemieux level jaw dropping. If he remains healthy and he mentally shrugs off the injury bug, forget the 8.5 million dollar donkey and maybe even past Suzuki. One other thing I noticed is a bad dandruff edge. He doesn't go around rearranging his opponents bodies but he will show a capable nasty side. Yes, I'm overdosing on hopium... I will certanly accept that Dach's development is ahead of Slafs, as it should be. But I would be banking on Salfs to be the stud way ahead of Dach. Leaving the injury factor alone, Slafs is a better prospect. Ideally Dach and Slafs would be a pairing and Suze and Cole for our 1A and 1B lines. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Dec 21, 2023 16:46:42 GMT -5
Good luck and enjoy the moment, kid.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 21, 2023 16:51:26 GMT -5
Good luck and enjoy the moment, kid. Good stuff... 👍 |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 21, 2023 20:43:08 GMT -5
So X is left to fester in Laval while Heinaman is getting a look.
Meanwhile X is not playing his usual tough game. Playing a "safe" game just like the good little boy that he's told to be. Not even working on his offence.
Thank God he's playing for a powerhouse AHL that is dead last in their division and one of the worse in the league.
I never thought much of MSL and now he's showing his true colors.
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Post by folatre on Dec 21, 2023 20:44:16 GMT -5
Twenty minutes of terrible hockey by the boys.
I get it that Savard was pissed with Rossi and the other dude crashing into Montembeault, but man I am not sure about the value of going to the box by yourself there when your team is 31st in the league killing penalties.
And I think the challenge on the second goal was totally foolhardy. It did not look offside.
Coaching change notwithstanding, the Wild still play a grinding game, including plenty of sandpaper and muscle on their roster (Middleton, Foligno, Marron, Bogosian, Duhaime). Even without greasy Hartman available tonight, I would feel better with Pezzetta (not to mention Xhekaj) in the lineup.
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Post by drkcloud on Dec 21, 2023 20:50:02 GMT -5
Checked in on the score.. outshot 13 to 3 and outscored 2 zip. Tells me all I need to know. Not buying the centerice pkg this year is turning out to be the right call
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2023 20:53:16 GMT -5
They seem to have bad first periods more frequently than they should.
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Post by Cranky on Dec 21, 2023 21:02:58 GMT -5
If I'm X and watching the Habs get roughed up, I'm laughing my ass off.
Other then Anderson who is NOT a willing fighter, we don't have any deterence.
Too bad, so sad....☠️
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Post by seventeen on Dec 21, 2023 21:14:31 GMT -5
If I'm X and watching the Habs get roughed up, I'm laughing my ass off. Other then Anderson who is NOT a willing fighter, we don't have any deterence. Too bad, so sad....☠️ He’s supposed to be working on defensive reads, gap control and avoiding penalties. IMO refs were giving him a lot if reputational penalties. He’d take someone out in the boards and the guy would fall because Xhekaj is really strong and he was crushed, though it was a clean check. Arber gets called for tripping or boarding. He may hve gotten legitimate penalties too but I saw plenty of calls that were non existent or marginal. Anyway, that’s why he’s still in Laval. I have to think he’s entrenched in their future because you need that kind of deterrence. |
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Post by folatre on Dec 21, 2023 21:15:57 GMT -5
And I would never play Armia over Pezzetta, just me. Heimemann or Ylonen could be playing on the Dvorak line tonight, no need for a big guy who does not want to bang.
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Post by folatre on Dec 21, 2023 21:19:20 GMT -5
Meh, that looked like a dive (excuse me, embellishment).
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2023 21:27:11 GMT -5
If only games were won by analytics and not actual goals Skilly Hockey Theorem Actual Goals >>>>>>> Expected Goals |
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Post by folatre on Dec 21, 2023 21:27:40 GMT -5
J***s Gallagher, tripping 175 ft away from your goalie.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2023 21:32:18 GMT -5
I continue to be puzzled when I see these articles about advanced stats and how good things look. The bottom line is goals and I'm not seeing a lot of them. No one wants to hear it, but since Slaf has been on the first line, the first line has been our least productive line, but our best on expected goals This is not a knock on Slaf, but the absurdity of some of these stats |
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Post by jkr on Dec 21, 2023 21:42:52 GMT -5
I continue to be puzzled when I see these articles about advanced stats and how good things look. The bottom line is goals and I'm not seeing a lot of them. No one wants to hear it, but since Slaf has been on the first line, the first line has been our least productive line, but our best on expected goals This is not a knock on Slaf, but the absurdity of some of these stats I've said in before but the cynic in me sometime thinks advanced stats exist to make unproductive players look better. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 21, 2023 21:44:23 GMT -5
I hate to burst the Dach bubble, but his career production is pretty ugly too
He has never got 40 points, he struggles to stay healthy
Yes, he has 40 points in 60 games as a Hab. That's still only a 55 point season over 82 games
The bar has gotten real low for our stars
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Post by Andrew on Dec 21, 2023 21:46:45 GMT -5
Wild are gooning it up. As Folatre said it’s not the team to be sitting Pezzetta against. Nice to see Guhle drop a couple of Wild.
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Post by folatre on Dec 21, 2023 22:02:27 GMT -5
The Habs special teams are just so wretched. Burrows has been on the job with the Habs since February 2021, almost three years now. How much rope does he have? I cannot imagine management promised a rookie HC that he gets indefinite final say on his assistants. I know the players play, but in this league a coach shake-up is more possible than a big roster shake-up.
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