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Post by Skilly on Dec 28, 2023 21:47:19 GMT -5
That was different
Suzuki did the drop back pass while they were short handed to the goalie who was next to a Cane … it’s like the drop back is mandatory or they don’t know where to go
It lead to a Cane empty netter because they had to give up possession.
Down by one, and playing the PK without pressuring the puck
This team has no IQ
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 28, 2023 21:55:05 GMT -5
I hate the backpass bullSaperlipopette on the PP... it leaves your forwards standing at the blueline twiddling their thumbs... what dickhead invented it?
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 28, 2023 21:55:25 GMT -5
That was a very winnable game...
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 28, 2023 23:02:13 GMT -5
Did slaf get a shot to the head? I missed the last period
Just saw the Replay.. Noesen needs to get the business next game... wifi better be back for that one...
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Post by Andrew on Dec 29, 2023 0:03:33 GMT -5
Did slaf get a shot to the head? I missed the last period Just saw the Replay.. Noesen needs to get the business next game... wifi better be back for that one... Time to get X back with the big club. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 29, 2023 0:22:15 GMT -5
That has to be reviewed by the league ... I hope the kid is all right ... headshot or not, he has to keep his head up ... the top line struggled, but I thought Juraj Slafkovsky was one of the better Habs tonight ... he reminded me of Eric Cole when he used his size to go to the net ... not a bad effort again by the Mitchell Stephens Line ... hoping this is just a case of the Christmas rust ... we'll see ...
Cheers.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 29, 2023 1:29:21 GMT -5
Well, PP cost us the game again. 3-3 game in the trhid preriod and we get 2 PPs and don't even think we got a shot on net. The drop back is stupid, particlualry if you do it everytime. The opponent knows what's coming and they know how to defend it which is why we rarely enter the zone with the puck and rarely get possession.
And having Matheson on the point is ridiculous. He is not smart enough or skilled enough. He can skate but that doesn;t help if your're QBing a PP. Dvo oin the 2nd unit maybe even dumber. I'd put Matheson on the 2nd PP with Struble and Monahan, Josh and Gally. We don't need Monanhan on the first unit. Have Suze's line with Guhle and Barron.
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 29, 2023 1:36:07 GMT -5
I don't see how that is not a it to Juri's head. The head was the principle point of contact and on a vulnerable player. The fact the spotters pulled Juri tells you that the league medical officials saw it as a hit to the head. I'm pissed. That should have been a major and it wsn't even a minor. Should be at least 3 games. Let's see what the league says  |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 29, 2023 1:42:50 GMT -5
Thought Primeau played well, with minimal help.
KK is a shadow of his former self, and he wan't all that good then. He played less than 10 minutes in the game. He's a -7 on a decent team. And he has career 150 points while Thachuk just got his 300 point and is captain of his team. Talk about MB crapping the bed.
Barron, Guhle and Nick all a -3.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 29, 2023 2:50:39 GMT -5
That has to be reviewed by the league ... I hope the kid is all right ... headshot or not, he has to keep his head up ... the top line struggled, but I thought Juraj Slafkovsky was one of the better Habs tonight ... he reminded me of Eric Cole when he used his size to go to the net ... not a bad effort again by the Mitchell Stephens Line ... hoping this is just a case of the Christmas rust ... we'll see ... Cheers. We can agree over and over that Slaf needs to be more aware, but Noesen clearly targets him well away from the play. He's 12-15 feet from Slaf and starts his dive bomb. A very slight wave at the puck but a definite deliberate shoulder to the head. He even lifts up and raises his back foot. The honest reply to that is to do the very same thing to Noesen. Catch him in a vulnerable position and nail him. Either that, or have Arber crush him in the boards and then whale on him. |
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Post by jkr on Dec 29, 2023 8:30:23 GMT -5
I didnt see the game. Was there any response to this hit.
Having Xhehaj in Laval and Pezzetta in the lineup only sporadically is extremely naive. The 1st liners will be targeted because there is no fear of payback.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 8:57:01 GMT -5
Thought Primeau played well, with minimal help. KK is a shadow of his former self, and he wan't all that good then. He played less than 10 minutes in the game. He's a -7 on a decent team. And he has career 150 points while Thachuk just got his 300 point and is captain of his team. Talk about MB crapping the bed. Barron, Guhle and Nick all a -3. Guhle is -3 because of Barron... we dont have Luke Richardson or soneone with half a brain coaching the D, so Barron needs to go to laval and learn D, unfortunately I don't think Houle is much better. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 9:00:14 GMT -5
I didnt see the game. Was there any response to this hit. Having Xhehaj in Laval and Pezzetta in the lineup only sporadically is extremely naive. The 1st liners will be targeted because there is no fear of payback. I watched highlights of the Rocket game, that is a disorganized team, kidney and Roy are invisible... I do like the pairing of Xhekaj and Mailloux, X crushed a few guys on Belleville but he did also make a couple of clumsy plays on D but no worsevthan I've seen Barron, Matheson and Chaosevic do |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 9:09:26 GMT -5
I don't see how that is not a it to Juri's head. The head was the principle point of contact and on a vulnerable player. The fact the spotters pulled Juri tells you that the league medical officials saw it as a hit to the head. I'm pissed. That should have been a major and it wsn't even a minor. Should be at least 3 games. Let's see what the league says Surprise... surprise... the league will not review the hit to Slafs head... shocking... they play the Canes March 7 and 30,they better mark the calendar... BTW this is the rule... written by lawyers who never played the game... how do you determine if something is avoidable? He should have gotten a penalty because he did extend his body upward... so stupid |
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Post by jkr on Dec 29, 2023 10:34:37 GMT -5
The people making the review decision have probably received too many head shots themselves.
They talk about protecting players but as usual it's just lip service.
The Trouba stick to Frederic's next was their low point.
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Post by folatre on Dec 29, 2023 10:40:20 GMT -5
Barron does a lot of inexplicable things in his own zone. He is only 22, which is still very green for a regular NHL d-man, and has only played the equivalent of one season's worth of games in the AHL, so it would not be a bad idea to send him a down to Laval for a refresher course. Houle does not strike me as a great teacher of the game. Are Ramage and Bouillon in town full time? Maybe they can help.
Matheson is what he is. He can be magical with the puck, but he also coughs it up too often in areas that spark fast counters.
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Post by Andrew on Dec 29, 2023 11:29:36 GMT -5
If there’s one thing that the NHL department of player safety is good at it’s protecting players that deliver dangerous hits. They’ll find every excuse to not hand out supplemental discipline.
I agree that Matheson isn’t the best fit for PP QB. He never passes to Slaf in the right side. It’s always to CC or at the net (or he coughs up the puck).
I don’t think Laval will do Barron any good. Keep working with him, and give him some nights off now that Harris is back.
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Post by seventeen on Dec 29, 2023 12:48:19 GMT -5
I don’t think Laval will do Barron any good. Keep working with him, and give him some nights off now that Harris is back. I'd be looking to actively trade him. He's a RHD so there has to be some market for him. Some GM will think the Habs are handling him poorly. |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 29, 2023 12:53:56 GMT -5
I didnt see the game. Was there any response to this hit. Essentially, no. That line is not the grittiest and Barron and Guhle were the defense pair and Guhle was far away. Barron was the closest big guy and he did nothing. They may have had an impression it was a clean hit, but still....no way Arber doesn't react. If there was another example of why we should be hoping Florian develops well as a player, this is it. Noesen knew we had no reactive players on the ice. I am convinced Slaf was a target. We have to wait all the way till March huh? We may be out of the playoffs by then, with nothing to lose. Season's almost over, so a suspension ($$ covered by the team of course...a duffle bag of cash) won't be a deterrent. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 29, 2023 13:10:50 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing
That was a textbook hit
He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 13:33:01 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. But he drove upwards to the head... there was an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" .. that is against the rules |
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Post by seventeen on Dec 29, 2023 13:48:13 GMT -5
But he drove upwards to the head... there was an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" .. that is against the rules Fortunately, breaking face with fists is also not against the rules. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 13:58:03 GMT -5
But he drove upwards to the head... there was an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" .. that is against the rules Fortunately, breaking face with fists is also not against the rules. Which is why wifi needs to be in Montreal... |
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Post by folatre on Dec 29, 2023 14:21:50 GMT -5
The thing about Barron is that his defensive positioning and instincts are just plain subpar, which makes him an odd candidate to hang onto if one's pro scouts see him as nothing more than a third-pair type guy. Generally for good reason a coach prefers dudes in the 5-7 roles who play a steady defensive game. The only exception, perhaps, would be on a team that really values an offensive d-man because he is literally their power play quarterback and thus stashing him down on the third pair seems justifiable. But the way things project for Montreal, I really do not see Barron with the inside track to be a significant power play producer because right now Matheson is the guy and Hutson is coming very soon. Plus, once he settles down in the pro game, Mailloux is on the way and he can be a menace with the slapper as well as the wrister.
Hockey is debatable. Management needs to get it right about which kids are the keepers and can be pieces that truly fit in a d-corps that should have it all.
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Post by Skilly on Dec 29, 2023 16:58:06 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. But he drove upwards to the head... there was an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" .. that is against the rules I don’t see it Even Slaf himself didn’t mention that he was struck in the head when questioned about it after the game. In fact, he was upset that he was taken off the ice for no good reason |
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 29, 2023 23:46:36 GMT -5
But he drove upwards to the head... there was an "unnecessary extension of the body upward" .. that is against the rules I don’t see it Even Slaf himself didn’t mention that he was struck in the head when questioned about it after the game. In fact, he was upset that he was taken off the ice for no good reason That's weird, in the angle I saw noesen drove his shoulder upon contact |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Dec 30, 2023 11:40:28 GMT -5
Was there any response to this hit None ... |
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Post by folatre on Dec 30, 2023 12:51:59 GMT -5
Guys should have gotten riled up, but I do not think it reflects a bad team culture or lack of character. As was pointed out above in this thread, it was more circumstantial (i.e. who happened to be on the ice). I remember last season Connor Murphy blew up Suzuki with a clean hit but Anderson beat him up anyway.
Barron may have been thinking this is tight game and since Noesen did not get whistled for a penalty if I go over there and crosscheck him then I make it harder for my team to rescue a point tonight. Who knows.
My preference is to have a critical mass of tough, edgy guys so the deterrent is there and messages can get sent when deterrence is breached.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 30, 2023 13:27:18 GMT -5
Guys should have gotten riled up, but I do not think it reflects a bad team culture or lack of character. As was pointed out above in this thread, it was more circumstantial (i.e. who happened to be on the ice). I remember last season Connor Murphy blew up Suzuki with a clean hit but Anderson beat him up anyway. Barron may have been thinking this is tight game and since Noesen did not get whistled for a penalty if I go over there and crosscheck him then I make it harder for my team to rescue a point tonight. Who knows. My preference is to have a critical mass of tough, edgy guys so the deterrent is there and messages can get sent when deterrence is breached. Screw the penalty and screw the point, when your teammate gets blown up with a questionable hit... you attack... simple as that, so everyone in the league knows... pack mentality. |
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Post by Cranky on Dec 30, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -5
Two of our toughest, meanest guys are learning how to lose in Laval.
They would be learning how to lose much better with the Habs and of course learn from the great defensive coaching we have with the big club. After all we are TOP 4 from the worst with our PK.
Just saying...
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