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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2023 14:29:04 GMT -5
Guys should have gotten riled up, but I do not think it reflects a bad team culture or lack of character. As was pointed out above in this thread, it was more circumstantial (i.e. who happened to be on the ice). I remember last season Connor Murphy blew up Suzuki with a clean hit but Anderson beat him up anyway. Barron may have been thinking this is tight game and since Noesen did not get whistled for a penalty if I go over there and crosscheck him then I make it harder for my team to rescue a point tonight. Who knows. My preference is to have a critical mass of tough, edgy guys so the deterrent is there and messages can get sent when deterrence is breached. Or Barron may not have wanted to be sent to Laval, for the same reason Xhekaj was … |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Dec 30, 2023 16:59:07 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. Text book by 80s standards in my opinion. I've watched it from 3 angles now. One was inconclusive and in the other 2, the head appeared to be the primary point of contact. The view from the back of Slaf showed his head snap back followed by the rest of the body being impacted. I don't think Noesen was headhunting but simply looking to make a hit. Slaf was leaning forward and no matter what Noesen did he was going to hit the head first. To me it is a question of what the league wants to do with head shots. If they want to substantially remove head shots then these hits need to be removed based on a definitive black and white regulation. Was contact to the head involved? Regardless of the details, if so it is illegal. If it isn't black and white then these hits will largely remain a part of the game for the good and the bad. |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2023 20:08:56 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. Text book by 80s standards in my opinion. I've watched it from 3 angles now. One was inconclusive and in the other 2, the head appeared to be the primary point of contact. The view from the back of Slaf showed his head snap back followed by the rest of the body being impacted. I don't think Noesen was headhunting but simply looking to make a hit. Slaf was leaning forward and no matter what Noesen did he was going to hit the head first. To me it is a question of what the league wants to do with head shots. If they want to substantially remove head shots then these hits need to be removed based on a definitive black and white regulation. Was contact to the head involved? Regardless of the details, if so it is illegal. If it isn't black and white then these hits will largely remain a part of the game for the good and the bad. I'll go with the guy who was hit ... 'I was taken out of the game FOR NO REASON' ... if he was hit in the head, there was a reason to be removed from the game. An automatic reason. He felt there was no reason that the league dictated him to be removed, and he was immediately ruled to not have a concussion when he was looked over. In other words "I wasn't hit in the head, and I'm feeling ok, why are you telling me I have to go get looked at" |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 30, 2023 20:15:16 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. Text book by 80s standards in my opinion. I've watched it from 3 angles now. One was inconclusive and in the other 2, the head appeared to be the primary point of contact. The view from the back of Slaf showed his head snap back followed by the rest of the body being impacted. I don't think Noesen was headhunting but simply looking to make a hit. Slaf was leaning forward and no matter what Noesen did he was going to hit the head first. To me it is a question of what the league wants to do with head shots. If they want to substantially remove head shots then these hits need to be removed based on a definitive black and white regulation. Was contact to the head involved? Regardless of the details, if so it is illegal. If it isn't black and white then these hits will largely remain a part of the game for the good and the bad. For the record, I agree with you on head shots. There should be no pointing blame on the guy getting hit. If it's a head shot it should be an automatic 4 minutes, and if excessive 5 and a game , with league review for suspension. (Just like the NFL) But, to go as far as that, it has to be conclusive and legal hits to the chest where the head snaps back though violent need to be reviewed to get right |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Dec 30, 2023 20:48:18 GMT -5
Text book by 80s standards in my opinion. I've watched it from 3 angles now. One was inconclusive and in the other 2, the head appeared to be the primary point of contact. The view from the back of Slaf showed his head snap back followed by the rest of the body being impacted. I don't think Noesen was headhunting but simply looking to make a hit. Slaf was leaning forward and no matter what Noesen did he was going to hit the head first. To me it is a question of what the league wants to do with head shots. If they want to substantially remove head shots then these hits need to be removed based on a definitive black and white regulation. Was contact to the head involved? Regardless of the details, if so it is illegal. If it isn't black and white then these hits will largely remain a part of the game for the good and the bad. For the record, I agree with you on head shots. There should be no pointing blame on the guy getting hit. If it's a head shot it should be an automatic 4 minutes, and if excessive 5 and a game , with league review for suspension. (Just like the NFL) But, to go as far as that, it has to be conclusive and legal hits to the chest where the head snaps back though violent need to be reviewed to get right Dang, we're right back to a subjective matter. It's like the game is fast or something. |
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Post by habsorbed on Dec 31, 2023 2:08:30 GMT -5
If Crosby had been hit like that it would have been 5 minutes and a 5 game suspension.
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Post by Willie Dog on Dec 31, 2023 10:28:20 GMT -5
If Crosby had been hit like that it would have been 5 minutes and a 5 game suspension. Yep... it's subjective as to who is getting hit |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 31, 2023 12:09:23 GMT -5
If Crosby had been hit like that it would have been 5 minutes and a 5 game suspension. Crosby has been hit like that in his career. One I remember was Ryan Johansen |
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Post by Skilly on Dec 31, 2023 16:46:10 GMT -5
I’m not seeing what others are seeing That was a textbook hit He tucked his arm in, hit him square on, looks to me the principal point of contact is the upper chest, and the hit wasn’t late. Text book by 80s standards in my opinion. I've watched it from 3 angles now. One was inconclusive and in the other 2, the head appeared to be the primary point of contact. The view from the back of Slaf showed his head snap back followed by the rest of the body being impacted. I don't think Noesen was headhunting but simply looking to make a hit. Slaf was leaning forward and no matter what Noesen did he was going to hit the head first. To me it is a question of what the league wants to do with head shots. If they want to substantially remove head shots then these hits need to be removed based on a definitive black and white regulation. Was contact to the head involved? Regardless of the details, if so it is illegal. If it isn't black and white then these hits will largely remain a part of the game for the good and the bad. The Geekie hit on the German should be the NHL standard. A clear hit to the head. While Geekie attempted to tuck his arms in and hit in the chest, the head was definitely impacted. The 5 min penalty and game misconduct was the right call, in my opinion. |
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