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Post by Cranky on Jan 31, 2024 23:49:07 GMT -5
If 3 point 32 game Juulsen is Nucks number 6 on a high flying team then something is wrong with the universe.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 0:04:01 GMT -5
If 3 point 32 game Juulsen is Nucks number 6 on a high flying team then something is wrong with the universe. Not at all. He's like a younger Luke Schenn. Never going to score much, but is on the PK, blocks shots, and clears the front of the net. He's replaceable, of course, as are so many 3rd pair, 4th line players. But he's cheap and he's not going to hurt you. |
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Post by folatre on Feb 1, 2024 6:12:54 GMT -5
Juulsen is more like their #7 guy ever since they acquired Zadorov and everyone is healthy. He is useful depth.
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Post by Polarice on Feb 1, 2024 7:51:11 GMT -5
Yesterday I heard that 6 teams have expressed interest in Monahan....what they are willing to pay is a guess. But, I've heard it starts with a 1st rounder or a top prospect and a roster player. Habs also getting a lot of calls on their young defence prospects.....teams are looking to dump some players and salary with picks. Surprisingly, so far no interest in any of our goaltenders...could get interesting.
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 12:37:24 GMT -5
Juulsen is more like their #7 guy ever since they acquired Zadorov and everyone is healthy. He is useful depth. True, but they had no qualms resting Ian Cole and putting Juulsen in his place. I saw that game and he played well. In one sequence, the puck was shot in the Canucks corner, and Juulsen retrieved it with forecheckers descending on him. That's the typical situation where a defender will bounce the puck off the boards or be forced to push it to their partner who is already covered. Instead Juulsen faked those passes, held onto the puck and when space cleared passed it into the middle where his teammate was wide open to go up ice. A calm, high panic threshold play and it raised my eyebrows because I was expecting something quite different from a #7 dman. He's not taking Quinn Hughes' place, but he seems an improved player from when he was in Montreal. Quite tough, too. Threw a few hard checks. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 1, 2024 12:38:49 GMT -5
Yesterday I heard that 6 teams have expressed interest in Monahan....what they are willing to pay is a guess. But, I've heard it starts with a 1st rounder or a top prospect and a roster player. Habs also getting a lot of calls on their young defence prospects.....teams are looking to dump some players and salary with picks. Surprisingly, so far no interest in any of our goaltenders...could get interesting. Better sources than mine, Polarice? Mine are the comment sections of Craig's list. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 1, 2024 14:14:12 GMT -5
Yesterday I heard that 6 teams have expressed interest in Monahan....what they are willing to pay is a guess. But, I've heard it starts with a 1st rounder or a top prospect and a roster player. Habs also getting a lot of calls on their young defence prospects.....teams are looking to dump some players and salary with picks. Surprisingly, so far no interest in any of our goaltenders...could get interesting. Better sources than mine, Polarice? Mine are the comment sections of Craig's list. Not sure...can't find that post. My source used to be a reporter for the Habs. Still does some writing now and again, don't speak to him very often anymore, but once in a while we chat or text Habs stuff. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 1, 2024 17:30:43 GMT -5
Supposedly kakko is available... I'd pass but Hugo seem to like the 2019 draft and he was 2nd overall, if they did grab him we would have the 2,3,15 and 16 picks from that draft. Injury issues though, 5 years and he's only played 267 games 49 goals and 55 assist... he's an underachiever for sure Attachments:
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Post by folatre on Feb 1, 2024 18:21:11 GMT -5
Not only were Monahan and Lindholm mates for four seasons, but the common threads in their career are interesting to contemplate. They were picked back to back (#5 and #6) in the same draft class. Their overall career numbers (both regular season and playoffs) are almost identical. Both guts play in all situations and excel in attention to the details of effective hockey.
The differentiation (i.e. Lindholm being more highly regarded) probably is attributable to the following factors/issues: Monahan has had major injuries in his recent history, while the Swede has been lucky to basically be an iron man over the years; the peak of Monahan's career was five years ago, whereas Lindholm had his career season a couple years ago, so the recency bias exists; and Lindholm skates better than Monahan.
There have likely been at least seven or eight clubs sniffing around and I imagine yesterday evening urgency started to set in for the handful of them with the asset juice to get a good offer on the table. I have no idea specifically what Hughes is asking for or how long he is comfortable waiting in order to extract that price. However, I feel like Montreal is not getting an equivalent haul to Calgary's. But it is not unrealistic to expect a nice return. For me it is a first round pick (though maybe the Jets could get away with giving the Habs its own second rounder which will at worst be 40th overall) and some sort of secondary piece.
Of course the contours of a trade could change if Montreal was also adding a cap controlled d-man and/or chewing on a cap dump, but who knows if Hughes wants to get too many extra balls moving before the summer.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 1, 2024 20:33:43 GMT -5
Supposedly kakko is available... I'd pass but Hugo seem to like the 2019 draft and he was 2nd overall, if they did grab him we would have the 2,3,15 and 16 picks from that draft. Injury issues though, 5 years and he's only played 267 games 49 goals and 55 assist... he's an underachiever for sure I've thought about this a lot. I find him intriguing. Big body, great shot, aged well for the Habs core. I figure it would cost Monahan and a first rounder at minimum. This is the kind of trade the Habs are looking for. Gotta give something to get something....... |
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Post by folatre on Feb 1, 2024 21:28:35 GMT -5
I think a guy like Kakko is probably a worthwhile reclamation project because he is only 23 years old with serious talent and could get it going with a change of scenery. But I believe his value is somewhat lower than what Dach's was when Hughes acquired him from Chicago. The reasons being that number one Kakko is not a center and secondly Dach got dealt right after his ELC expired, whereas Kakko is finishing his fifth season in the league.
Everyone is wondering if Dolan and Drury are even willing to call Gorton/Hughes. Assuming they are adults and are ultimately focused on the job at hand, what would dangling Kakko be worth to Montreal? I concede that Kakko is worth more than Monahan. However, I do not believe Kakko is worth Montreal 2024 first rounder (after all this will be a 5-8th overall range kid). So basically if the Rangers now covet Monahan and Hughes/Gorton like Kakko, then I see the Habs needing to add a functional cap-controlled NHL LHD, which New York could use, so perhaps Harris seems like the proper kind of make-weight in such a deal.
Hockey is debatable. And with all respect, completing his fifth season in the NHL, a former number 2nd overall pick who has a career .39 ppg production rate does not seem likely to garner a first round pick in the 5-8 range in 2024.
Who knows. It will be fascinating to see what transpires.
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Post by Cranky on Feb 1, 2024 22:30:03 GMT -5
Kakko for Monahan and a 3rd.
Kakko is not a top 6 nor likely to be a top 6. We also have a pack of mid 6 coming up so there is even less need for him.
On no planet in any universe is Kakko worth a top 5-6-7 pic. In fact, if HuGo does that, immidiate firing.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 1, 2024 23:14:29 GMT -5
If kakko is not top 6 then why trade Monahan for him, a 1st rounder should be in your top 6, IMO
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Post by seventeen on Feb 2, 2024 0:40:27 GMT -5
Not only were Monahan and Lindholm mates for four seasons, but the common threads in their career are interesting to contemplate. They were picked back to back (#5 and #6) in the same draft class. Their overall career numbers (both regular season and playoffs) are almost identical. Both guts play in all situations and excel in attention to the details of effective hockey. The differentiation (i.e. Lindholm being more highly regarded) probably is attributable to the following factors/issues: Monahan has had major injuries in his recent history, while the Swede has been lucky to basically be an iron man over the years; the peak of Monahan's career was five years ago, whereas Lindholm had his career season a couple years ago, so the recency bias exists; and Lindholm skates better than Monahan. Two parts to this, one of which is obvious. Lindholm's best year, where he picked up 82 points and 42 goals, his linemates, Matt Tkachuk and Johnny Gauvreau, had 104 and 115 points respectively. Lindholm was 22 points behind Tkachuk and 33 behind Gaudreau. He had been a good finisher in his career and he showed that in that season, where Tkachuk and Gaudreau got a lot of assists. Did he drive play or was he an excellent hinge for two guys having amazing seasons? Secondly, in his first 8 seasons, Monahan played 591 of a possible 630 games, an average of 77 games a season. In season 9 when I'm assuming his hip injuries began, he scored poorly, with only 23 points. But he still played in 65 games. Then he was had the hip surgery, was traded to Montreal and they let him keep playing despite the foot injury and that resulted in him missing most of the season. He has now played all 49 games this year and does not look out of step. I think the "Monahan is injury prone" myth is exactly that. This guy will do anything to play. It is only in 2 seasons that he has been hurt and the surgery seems to have fixed that. Foot injuries from shots can happen to anyone, even Lindholm (if he's blocking them). Frankly, if the offers aren't good enough, I'm all for working out an extension with him. I'd do five years even. He plays with his brain, not his speed and brings a lot to the team in addition to skill. I still hope he is traded and very likely will be, but I am very pleased with the time he has spent here. |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 2, 2024 0:50:50 GMT -5
If kakko is not top 6 then why trade Monahan for him, a 1st rounder should be in your top 6, IMO Not a late first rounder. You're talking middle 6 forward, 5-6 dman. I've seen kakko when he has show power forward flashes, but if he did that often enough, the Rangers would be keeping him. We don't know much about the Rangers development group, though. Are they any good? Kakko's not in the same situation as Kreider. He doesn't have Panarin and Kreider ahead of him in the line-up. I'd have to see a lot of tape on him to pull the Monahan trigger. In any case, it seems Drury and Gorton are the hockey version of the Hatfields and McCoys so I doubt we see any deals between them. I'm more intrigued by Colorado and Winnipeg. If its the Avs, they're paying through the nose. They still owe us for Lehkonen. Their first and Calum Ritchie. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 2, 2024 6:49:46 GMT -5
Kakko is interesting, I think his potential is high. He's only 22 and for him to go 2nd in the draft he must have something to offer. Monahan and a mid pick or one of our extra dman. Not sure what kind of cap space Ny has.
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2024 8:33:19 GMT -5
I dont know Polar. He is going to be 23 in a couple of weeks. He had a decent season last year (18 goals) but he's slipped this year with only 6 points in 28 games.
There have been plenty of duds that high before.
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 2, 2024 8:41:47 GMT -5
I dont know Polar. He is going to be 23 in a couple of weeks. He had a decent season last year (18 goals) but he's slipped this year with only 6 points in 28 games. There have been plenty of duds that high before. Daigle, yakupov, galchy etc |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 2, 2024 10:19:55 GMT -5
Kakko for Monahan and a 3rd. Kakko is not a top 6 nor likely to be a top 6. We also have a pack of mid 6 coming up so there is even less need for him. On no planet in any universe is Kakko worth a top 5-6-7 pic. In fact, if HuGo does that, immidiate firing. The pick from Calgary will potentially be Florida's 1st rounder from 2025. That would likely be a late 1st rounder. If Newhook was acquired for the 31st and 37th pick and Dach obtained for the 13th and 66th then I think packaging Monahan and that 2025 pick is something right down HuGo's alley. Obtaining Kakko or another similarly aged player will cost a bit. Both the Dach and Newhook trades made me a bit uncomfortable at the time and I expect to have the same feeling if the Habs obtain another project. I have similar thought about the 5,6 or 7 pick but think that Flames pick may be in play. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 2, 2024 10:49:06 GMT -5
The Jets perhaps. They have assets.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 2, 2024 11:04:48 GMT -5
The Jets perhaps. They have assets. Interesting. They have a nice prospect pool. |
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Post by Polarice on Feb 2, 2024 11:21:21 GMT -5
I dont know Polar. He is going to be 23 in a couple of weeks. He had a decent season last year (18 goals) but he's slipped this year with only 6 points in 28 games. There have been plenty of duds that high before. Agreed....it would risky |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 2, 2024 11:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 2, 2024 11:23:27 GMT -5
Reports are surfacing of Monahan for the Jets 1st and a conditional pick
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Post by Polarice on Feb 2, 2024 11:24:18 GMT -5
The Jets perhaps. They have assets. Looks like a 1st is coming back. |
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Post by jkr on Feb 2, 2024 11:24:29 GMT -5
Kakko for Monahan and a 3rd. Kakko is not a top 6 nor likely to be a top 6. We also have a pack of mid 6 coming up so there is even less need for him. On no planet in any universe is Kakko worth a top 5-6-7 pic. In fact, if HuGo does that, immidiate firing. The pick from Calgary will potentially be Florida's 1st rounder from 2025. That would likely be a late 1st rounder. If Newhook was acquired for the 31st and 37th pick and Dach obtained for the 13th and 66th then I think packaging Monahan and that 2025 pick is something right down HuGo's alley. Obtaining Kakko or another similarly aged player will cost a bit. Both the Dach and Newhook trades made me a bit uncomfortable at the time and I expect to have the same feeling if the Habs obtain another project. I have similar thought about the 5,6 or 7 pick but think that Flames pick may be in play. I'm still worried about Dach and his injury history but I am feeling OK about Newhook. He was on pace for about 50 points when he was injured so hopefully he can keep that going when he gets back. |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 2, 2024 11:34:03 GMT -5
A 2024 first and conditional third in 2027 (if they win the Cup). No young kids back, but you can guarantee that draft pick is in play.
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Post by Andrew on Feb 2, 2024 11:37:31 GMT -5
Adding the first takes some of the sting our of not having our second round pick this year. Would be a long wait between picking with our first and Colorado's second otherwise.
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 2, 2024 11:43:37 GMT -5
Adding the first takes some of the sting our of not having our second round pick this year. Would be a long wait between picking with our first and Colorado's second otherwise. Not if HuGo packages it for one of their projects........ |
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Post by NWTHabsFan on Feb 2, 2024 11:44:31 GMT -5
Adding the first takes some of the sting our of not having our second round pick this year. Would be a long wait between picking with our first and Colorado's second otherwise. Exactly. And this could be a nice first round if he keeps the pick (my guess is it is about 50-50 given his past moves to get Dach and Newhook since he got the job). |
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