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Post by Boston_Habs on Jan 22, 2024 12:57:03 GMT -5
Bill Belichick always said it's better to move on from a guy a year too early vs. a year too late. He was pretty good at determining when he'd gotten the most out of a player or finding an adequate replacement. Berg was terrible at that. The Price and Gallagher deals were out of the money before the ink was dry. Of course it's easier to make the tough calls on popular players when you've had success and won championships. For guys like Bergevin, signing Price and Gallagher to bad deals was more about fear and job preservation than winning. Like if I don't sign Price and Gallagher, we'll be worse and I might lose my job.
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Post by habernac on Jan 22, 2024 13:36:08 GMT -5
Well, it's been more than a few years. How's everyone doing??
I missed this game and it sounds like it's good that I did.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 22, 2024 14:08:11 GMT -5
Well, it's been more than a few years. How's everyone doing?? I missed this game and it sounds like it's good that I did. Great to have a HabsRUs alum back in the fold, hope you're doing well. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 22, 2024 14:13:13 GMT -5
Always loved your 'handle' habernac. I wish I'd thought of it. Welcome back!
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Post by Skilly on Jan 22, 2024 14:19:29 GMT -5
I’m hesitant to post this, but I just saw on social media that Stephens was placed on waivers and Justin Barron was sent to Laval. Praise Jebus if true
** it’s on the official Habs Twitter site.
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Post by PTH on Jan 22, 2024 14:26:51 GMT -5
I’m hesitant to post this, but I just saw on social media that Stephens was placed on waivers and Justin Barron was sent to Laval. Praise Jebus if true ** it’s on the official Habs Twitter site. Putting a c on waivers leaving the nhl team with only 3 is weird. Barron... so much potential, but still so green. I hope we don't trade him for scraps and see him become the next Petry. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 22, 2024 14:26:52 GMT -5
Bill Belichick always said it's better to move on from a guy a year too early vs. a year too late. He was pretty good at determining when he'd gotten the most out of a player or finding an adequate replacement. Berg was terrible at that. The Price and Gallagher deals were out of the money before the ink was dry. Of course it's easier to make the tough calls on popular players when you've had success and won championships. For guys like Bergevin, signing Price and Gallagher to bad deals was more about fear and job preservation than winning. Like if I don't sign Price and Gallagher, we'll be worse and I might lose my job. That is very likely exactly the reason for those contracts, Boston. Berg had to know that Price's knees weren't going to last forever, but no one was going to fault him for locking up Price. Well, maybe some, especially those on HabsRus who didn't want that much CAP space going to a goalie, no matter who they are. The more I look back on Berg's career, the more it infuriates me. What the hell was Molson doing all that time and what did he see in Bergevin that charmed him so much that he extended him? He bought Berg's 're-tool' plan after the first 5 year contract was up. WTF? The guy had made 2 good moves in 5 years....the Weise trade that got us Danault and the Edmonton trade to acquire Petry as a rental. Everything else, especially the entire core of the team, was inherited. Price had that great bounce back year in 2017, but Molson should have seen that a) Bergevin was no where near solving the team's scoring deficiencies, even after they picked up Radulov (though one hates to think how that year would have gone without him) and b) Price was the only thing keeping the Habs above water. Then Molson really compounded the problem by extending him, giving him security to do whatever he felt like and we saw how that worked out. The only brief success we had was a tainted Covid run to the Cup finals. That was still an 86 point team in a weak division that lucked out numerous times. What a freaking waste. And though Molson fixed it eventually with the Gorton hiring, he ruined almost 10 years of our fan lives by hiring that twit. |
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Post by seventeen on Jan 22, 2024 14:37:16 GMT -5
I’m hesitant to post this, but I just saw on social media that Stephens was placed on waivers and Justin Barron was sent to Laval. Praise Jebus if true ** it’s on the official Habs Twitter site. Putting a c on waivers leaving the nhl team with only 3 is weird. Barron... so much potential, but still so green. I hope we don't trade him for scraps and see him become the next Petry. We got Petry's best years, I thought. Barron - It's about time. He needs to regain his confidence and improve his play in the defensive zone. As we saw in the Boston game, there was no reason to rush to help Suzuki on the 2 on 2, leaving the winger wide open. Marty likes his defense to pinch and forwards have to replace their spot, so that's why Nick was there. It was a poor decision that led to a goal. He has to learn to eliminate those. It opens a spot for Xhekaj to come back too. Guhle will have to continue to play right D as well as Harris, unless Montreal recalls Mailloux. Stephens - We're not losing anything at the talent level and Laval needs Stephens for their playoff run. Mitchell worked hard while up, but there's not enough skating and skill. The question is that we have no other natural centres for that 4th line. Suzuki - Monahan - Evans - ??. Any guesses?
Ylonen? Is someone ready to return from IR? I don't think so. RHP? Armia (yes, yes please, Armia!!!)
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 22, 2024 14:39:10 GMT -5
Bill Belichick always said it's better to move on from a guy a year too early vs. a year too late. He was pretty good at determining when he'd gotten the most out of a player or finding an adequate replacement. Berg was terrible at that. The Price and Gallagher deals were out of the money before the ink was dry. Of course it's easier to make the tough calls on popular players when you've had success and won championships. For guys like Bergevin, signing Price and Gallagher to bad deals was more about fear and job preservation than winning. Like if I don't sign Price and Gallagher, we'll be worse and I might lose my job. That is very likely exactly the reason for those contracts, Boston. Berg had to know that Price's knees weren't going to last forever, but no one was going to fault him for locking up Price. Well, maybe some, especially those on HabsRus who didn't want that much CAP space going to a goalie, no matter who they are. The more I look back on Berg's career, the more it infuriates me. What the hell was Molson doing all that time and what did he see in Bergevin that charmed him so much that he extended him? He bought Berg's 're-tool' plan after the first 5 year contract was up. WTF? The guy had made 2 good moves in 5 years....the Weise trade that got us Danault and the Edmonton trade to acquire Petry as a rental. Everything else, especially the entire core of the team, was inherited. Price had that great bounce back year in 2017, but Molson should have seen that a) Bergevin was no where near solving the team's scoring deficiencies, even after they picked up Radulov (though one hates to think how that year would have gone without him) and b) Price was the only thing keeping the Habs above water. Then Molson really compounded the problem by extending him, giving him security to do whatever he felt like and we saw how that worked out. The only brief success we had was a tainted Covid run to the Cup finals. That was still an 86 point team in a weak division that lucked out numerous times. What a freaking waste. And though Molson fixed it eventually with the Gorton hiring, he ruined almost 10 years of our fan lives by hiring that twit. What amazes me is Molson offered Bergy an extension before moving on. How many years did Pollack tank in order to rebuild the team. This has been an embarrassment for the flannel faithful. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 22, 2024 15:47:23 GMT -5
I’m hesitant to post this, but I just saw on social media that Stephens was placed on waivers and Justin Barron was sent to Laval. Praise Jebus if true ** it’s on the official Habs Twitter site. Pearson is back and it would be nice if the Sheriff is back, he did well in laval, not from a points/goals point of view but from a team point of view, they went 10-3-1-1 since he got there. If he is back that means Hugo are happy with his improved defensive coverage and are hoping the same thing can happen with Barron. |
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Post by Skilly on Jan 22, 2024 18:34:03 GMT -5
I pulled up TSN;s website and saw that they had a story (from yesterday probably) covering Josh Anderson's return to the line-up. As if that was a good thing. To wit...Someone posted MOntreal's advanced stats scorecard (that graphic depicting defensive and Offensive contributions on horizontal bars with every player ranked top to bottom). Monahan and Roy were at the top (Bingo) and guess who was last? It is senseless to showcase this guy. Just send him to Laval and collect the $1MM CAP benefit, or check what it would cost to buy him out. That may be Berg's worst contract, even worse than Gallagher's, though one could have quite the debate and include Price's. Cripes, what a collection of bad deals he made. I'd say that pushes him a nose ahead of Reggie for worst GM in our history. Burgerbrain is the worst, Reggie had never work as part of a management team, Burgerbrain did, in Chicago, which was one of the better ones at the time but he never learned not to be an arrogant PoS. But I blame him most for hiring a clown as a coach, extending him and ruining the best years of the best goalie we had since Roy. Rejean Houle was the worst, and it isn’t even close Houle was hired in October of 1995. 46 days after he was hired he made the worse trade in the history of the Montreal Canadiens. A trade that hamstrung the team for decades. Siding with Mario Tremblay over Patrick Roy only 46 days into his tenure was asinine. Even worse was he got nothing back for him Then the following year he trades Pierre Turgeon for Shane Corson. He best trade in his tenure was one of his last, when he traded Malakhov for Souray. But every other trade was meh Then look at Houle’s record of drafting. Every first round pick he selected was a bust. Every. Single. One. (Matt Higgins, Eric Chouinard, Jason Ward, Marcel Hossa - some might call Ron Hainsey a hit, but he wasn’t with us) His best draft pick was Markov, and then he next best are Ribeiro, Ryder and Garon (3 of those 4 were drafted in the same year) His poor drafting and trading led to those years where our leading scorer only had 47 points for 3-4 seasons in a row. He had terrible people skills, terrible judge of talent, terrible judge of character and was a limp noodle when judging asset value ** Houle also drafted Chris Dyment, that alone qualifies him for being the worst GM |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Jan 22, 2024 19:19:37 GMT -5
I’m hesitant to post this, but I just saw on social media that Stephens was placed on waivers and Justin Barron was sent to Laval. Praise Jebus if true ** it’s on the official Habs Twitter site. Putting a c on waivers leaving the nhl team with only 3 is weird. Barron... so much potential, but still so green. I hope we don't trade him for scraps and see him become the next Petry. They may want to go with 3 centers and 4 goalies, 3 lines and 10 defensemen |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Jan 22, 2024 19:50:51 GMT -5
** Houle also drafted Chris Dyment, that alone qualifies him for being the worst GM We should start an in depth thread to discuss this further |
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Post by jkr on Jan 22, 2024 20:02:19 GMT -5
** Houle also drafted Chris Dyment, that alone qualifies him for being the worst GM We should start an in depth thread to discuss this further I've been around this board long enough to know that you forgot your sarcasm emoji.😀 |
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Post by jkr on Jan 22, 2024 20:13:41 GMT -5
Burgerbrain is the worst, Reggie had never work as part of a management team, Burgerbrain did, in Chicago, which was one of the better ones at the time but he never learned not to be an arrogant PoS. But I blame him most for hiring a clown as a coach, extending him and ruining the best years of the best goalie we had since Roy. Rejean Houle was the worst, and it isn’t even close Houle was hired in October of 1995. 46 days after he was hired he made the worse trade in the history of the Montreal Canadiens. A trade that hamstrung the team for decades. Siding with Mario Tremblay over Patrick Roy only 46 days into his tenure was asinine. Even worse was he got nothing back for him Then the following year he trades Pierre Turgeon for Shane Corson. He best trade in his tenure was one of his last, when he traded Malakhov for Souray. But every other trade was meh Then look at Houle’s record of drafting. Every first round pick he selected was a bust. Every. Single. One. (Matt Higgins, Eric Chouinard, Jason Ward, Marcel Hossa - some might call Ron Hainsey a hit, but he wasn’t with us) His best draft pick was Markov, and then he next best are Ribeiro, Ryder and Garon (3 of those 4 were drafted in the same year) His poor drafting and trading led to those years where our leading scorer only had 47 points for 3-4 seasons in a row. He had terrible people skills, terrible judge of talent, terrible judge of character and was a limp noodle when judging asset value ** Houle also drafted Chris Dyment, that alone qualifies him for being the worst GM You are right on all counts here but the person I blame is that tool of a president - Ronald Corey. Serge Savard was very successful, 3 trips to the Finals & 2 Cups. So after a bad start Corey panics and hires a couple of morons whose only qualification was that they were Habs lifers. As a player, Savard never panicked. He would of righted the ship if given a chance. And maybe, if Corey had not been sitting right behind the bench when Roy was pulled, the whole episode may never have happened. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Jan 22, 2024 20:19:31 GMT -5
Houle let Tremblay chase Roy away, but burgerbrain wasted Carey Price with his trades are hard so he doesnt have to get a true #1 centre and keeping MTHead around... I have pity for Houle because he was clueless, I hate burgerbrain because he was clueless and arrogant, a dangerous combo in any business
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 22, 2024 22:11:02 GMT -5
Well, it's been more than a few years. How's everyone doing?? I missed this game and it sounds like it's good that I did. Where did you go, dude ... welcome back, for sure ... Cheers. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jan 22, 2024 23:55:25 GMT -5
Houle let Tremblay chase Roy away, but burgerbrain wasted Carey Price with his trades are hard so he doesnt have to get a true #1 centre and keeping MTHead around... I have pity for Houle because he was clueless, I hate burgerbrain because he was clueless and arrogant, a dangerous combo in any business is on record as saying that, had there been more dialogue, he'd have never left ... but, of course, Rejean Houle felt he couldn't be pushed around, and that was that ... in reality, Houle was in way over his head, but it was Serge Savard who started the dismantling of the 1993 Cup winner ... from Nov 28th, 1993, to April 6th, 1995, the players who left Montreal included Rob Ramage, Stephan Lebeau, Kevin Haller, Guy Carbonneau, John LeClair, Eric Desjardins, Gilbert Dionne, Kirk Muller, Mathieu Schneider, and Paul DiPietro ... that's 10 players in less than 2 years ... Savard brought in Vladimir Malakhov, Pierre Turgeon, Mark Recchi, Ron Tugnutt, and a few scrubs, but the team he handed to Houle, was well on its way to being gutted ... when Roy was moved out in 1995-96, it left the team with only 4 remaining members from the '93 Cup winner; Vinny Damphousse, Patrice Brisebois, Benoit Brunet, and Lyle Odelein ... Oleg Petrov was on the team, just didn't play enough games to get his name on the Cup ... oh yeah, the game ... sucked bathwater, it did ... Cheers.
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Post by Skilly on Jan 23, 2024 14:25:39 GMT -5
Houle let Tremblay chase Roy away, but burgerbrain wasted Carey Price with his trades are hard so he doesnt have to get a true #1 centre and keeping MTHead around... I have pity for Houle because he was clueless, I hate burgerbrain because he was clueless and arrogant, a dangerous combo in any business I guess this is like discussing what came first, the chicken or the egg My argument is that Houle decimated the goaltending and offense with poor trades and drafted so poorly the cupboard never got replenished by 2005. I agree that some years were squandered by Bergevin. I still haven’t forgiven Bergevin for the conservative approach in 2013. We were setting up pretty good for a deep run, but he (and many fans) did not want to add offensive help at the cost of our first rounder (which was going to be a 20ish pick) or our THREE second rounders . So he added Davis Drewiske to “bolster” the defense He did something similar in 2017, but I fully expected him to do that after the 2013 idiocy |
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