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Post by seventeen on Feb 4, 2024 16:19:31 GMT -5
Zegras needs to be in a serious team enviroment were he can be his flashy self but still work in a defensive system. We don't have that. Period. It's going to be a clusterplucking and a coaching nightmare. I love to have a Zegras type get me off the couch in awe, but then losing 8-6 is going nowhere fast. Guhle and Suzuki are too young and a few years away to have the Weber gravitas. But...if he's available for a 6-10 1st rounder, it's going to be tough to ignore. It certainly seems the Habs are being built around a few key characteristics. My guess is that high up on the list are Hockey IQ and character. Bergie talked forever about character, but he never really understood it. He traded PK for what he perceived as character and never understood the character than Subban brought with him. Different from the Man Mountain, but still a ton of character. I don't think HuGo will undermine that character quality by bringing in someone who is definitely more individually focused. I digress easily, but when character stuff comes along, I look at how players fit within a team. You get the obvious cancers like Dubois, but then you also get the kind that go under the radar more. The names I'm thinking of are guys like the Tkachuks and Matthews. Tons of individual success, a load of notoriety (who wouldn't want them on their team? [except me]), but their teams don't seem to win. I wonder if Zegras fits into that category. Not a cancer, but not a contributor to team success when it counts either. Digressing again, and it might be a topic for another thread....I get this feeling that American hockey players tend to be more individually focused (as the examples above suggest) than team focused. I might include Russians in that general group as well. It's not a generalization because there are team focused Americans and Russians, but if you did statistical samples, I bet those two nationalities would higher and more condensed populations than other nationalities. Feel free to disagree, because it's just an anecdotal thought for me. |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Feb 5, 2024 0:09:16 GMT -5
Of course, letting him go means the lineup is now scary thin, and the rest of the season is going to be.... painful. This is a good way of putting it ... Cheers. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 5, 2024 19:39:27 GMT -5
Zegras needs to be in a serious team enviroment were he can be his flashy self but still work in a defensive system. We don't have that. Period. It's going to be a clusterplucking and a coaching nightmare. I love to have a Zegras type get me off the couch in awe, but then losing 8-6 is going nowhere fast. Guhle and Suzuki are too young and a few years away to have the Weber gravitas. But...if he's available for a 6-10 1st rounder, it's going to be tough to ignore. It certainly seems the Habs are being built around a few key characteristics. My guess is that high up on the list are Hockey IQ and character. Bergie talked forever about character, but he never really understood it. He traded PK for what he perceived as character and never understood the character than Subban brought with him. Different from the Man Mountain, but still a ton of character. I don't think HuGo will undermine that character quality by bringing in someone who is definitely more individually focused. I digress easily, but when character stuff comes along, I look at how players fit within a team. You get the obvious cancers like Dubois, but then you also get the kind that go under the radar more. The names I'm thinking of are guys like the Tkachuks and Matthews. Tons of individual success, a load of notoriety (who wouldn't want them on their team? [except me]), but their teams don't seem to win. I wonder if Zegras fits into that category. Not a cancer, but not a contributor to team success when it counts either. Digressing again, and it might be a topic for another thread....I get this feeling that American hockey players tend to be more individually focused (as the examples above suggest) than team focused. I might include Russians in that general group as well. It's not a generalization because there are team focused Americans and Russians, but if you did statistical samples, I bet those two nationalities would higher and more condensed populations than other nationalities. Feel free to disagree, because it's just an anecdotal thought for me. Sooooo we trade Caufield and Hudson. Get rid of them individualistic Americans I'm probably the only one that thinks Zegras and Caufield would click on the ice |
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Post by Tankdriver on Feb 5, 2024 19:59:36 GMT -5
It certainly seems the Habs are being built around a few key characteristics. My guess is that high up on the list are Hockey IQ and character. Bergie talked forever about character, but he never really understood it. He traded PK for what he perceived as character and never understood the character than Subban brought with him. Different from the Man Mountain, but still a ton of character. I don't think HuGo will undermine that character quality by bringing in someone who is definitely more individually focused. I digress easily, but when character stuff comes along, I look at how players fit within a team. You get the obvious cancers like Dubois, but then you also get the kind that go under the radar more. The names I'm thinking of are guys like the Tkachuks and Matthews. Tons of individual success, a load of notoriety (who wouldn't want them on their team? [except me]), but their teams don't seem to win. I wonder if Zegras fits into that category. Not a cancer, but not a contributor to team success when it counts either. Digressing again, and it might be a topic for another thread....I get this feeling that American hockey players tend to be more individually focused (as the examples above suggest) than team focused. I might include Russians in that general group as well. It's not a generalization because there are team focused Americans and Russians, but if you did statistical samples, I bet those two nationalities would higher and more condensed populations than other nationalities. Feel free to disagree, because it's just an anecdotal thought for me. Sooooo we trade Caufield and Hudson. Get rid of them individualistic Americans I'm probably the only one that thinks Zegras and Caufield would click on the ice Nope. I think they would mesh quie well. You need all types of players on a team. No one complained about an ego like Patrick Roy.....winning matters. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Feb 5, 2024 20:30:24 GMT -5
It certainly seems the Habs are being built around a few key characteristics. My guess is that high up on the list are Hockey IQ and character. Bergie talked forever about character, but he never really understood it. He traded PK for what he perceived as character and never understood the character than Subban brought with him. Different from the Man Mountain, but still a ton of character. I don't think HuGo will undermine that character quality by bringing in someone who is definitely more individually focused. I digress easily, but when character stuff comes along, I look at how players fit within a team. You get the obvious cancers like Dubois, but then you also get the kind that go under the radar more. The names I'm thinking of are guys like the Tkachuks and Matthews. Tons of individual success, a load of notoriety (who wouldn't want them on their team? [except me]), but their teams don't seem to win. I wonder if Zegras fits into that category. Not a cancer, but not a contributor to team success when it counts either. Digressing again, and it might be a topic for another thread....I get this feeling that American hockey players tend to be more individually focused (as the examples above suggest) than team focused. I might include Russians in that general group as well. It's not a generalization because there are team focused Americans and Russians, but if you did statistical samples, I bet those two nationalities would higher and more condensed populations than other nationalities. Feel free to disagree, because it's just an anecdotal thought for me. Sooooo we trade Caufield and Hudson. Get rid of them individualistic Americans I'm probably the only one that thinks Zegras and Caufield would click on the ice They clicked on the ice for the usntdp to the tune of 77 goals and 69 assists combined in 60 games Cole Caufield 60gp, 52g, 22a, 74pts Trevor Zegras 58gp, 25g, 47a, 72pts |
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Post by seventeen on Feb 6, 2024 2:09:12 GMT -5
It certainly seems the Habs are being built around a few key characteristics. My guess is that high up on the list are Hockey IQ and character. Bergie talked forever about character, but he never really understood it. He traded PK for what he perceived as character and never understood the character than Subban brought with him. Different from the Man Mountain, but still a ton of character. I don't think HuGo will undermine that character quality by bringing in someone who is definitely more individually focused. I digress easily, but when character stuff comes along, I look at how players fit within a team. You get the obvious cancers like Dubois, but then you also get the kind that go under the radar more. The names I'm thinking of are guys like the Tkachuks and Matthews. Tons of individual success, a load of notoriety (who wouldn't want them on their team? [except me]), but their teams don't seem to win. I wonder if Zegras fits into that category. Not a cancer, but not a contributor to team success when it counts either. Digressing again, and it might be a topic for another thread....I get this feeling that American hockey players tend to be more individually focused (as the examples above suggest) than team focused. I might include Russians in that general group as well. It's not a generalization because there are team focused Americans and Russians, but if you did statistical samples, I bet those two nationalities would higher and more condensed populations than other nationalities. Feel free to disagree, because it's just an anecdotal thought for me. Sooooo we trade Caufield and Hudson. Get rid of them individualistic Americans I'm probably the only one that thinks Zegras and Caufield would click on the ice I specifically tried to point out (probability speaking), that not all Americans are like that. Some Canadians are (cough, Dubois, cough). I just see that selfish characteristic more often in Americans and their entire social culture is one of dog eat dog. To get ahead, you have to beat out someone else. It's a highly competitive country which has it's positive and negative aspects. Anyway, I was just throwing that out there. I was postulating that if, say, 15% of those making up each nationality are selfish, in the case of the USA, it might be 20%. Zegras and Caufield likely played together on the USNTDP, so yep, they could well mesh together very well in the NHL. |
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Post by Skilly on Feb 6, 2024 6:44:37 GMT -5
Sooooo we trade Caufield and Hudson. Get rid of them individualistic Americans I'm probably the only one that thinks Zegras and Caufield would click on the ice I specifically tried to point out (probability speaking), that not all Americans are like that. Some Canadians are (cough, Dubois, cough). I just see that selfish characteristic more often in Americans and their entire social culture is one of dog eat dog. To get ahead, you have to beat out someone else. It's a highly competitive country which has it's positive and negative aspects. Anyway, I was just throwing that out there. I was postulating that if, say, 15% of those making up each nationality are selfish, in the case of the USA, it might be 20%. Zegras and Caufield likely played together on the USNTDP, so yep, they could well mesh together very well in the NHL. I'm just razzing ya I'm on record many times saying talent should trump character. You can't pass on elite talent because of a perceived character trait. |
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Post by Andrew on Feb 6, 2024 12:52:30 GMT -5
Zegras and Caufield likely played together on the USNTDP, so yep, they could well mesh together very well in the NHL. Interestingly Caufield and Zegras have produced at a near-identical pace in their NHL careers: Caufield at .72 PPG with 123pts in 172GP / Zegras at .73 PPG with 146 in 200 GP. |
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Post by Habs_fan_in_LA on Feb 9, 2024 12:37:44 GMT -5
The trade was a slap in the face of just how bad we are. By now, 4th year of pain, we should be looking at the potential upswing, but you look closely and we got almost nothing up front. CC and Suzuki. THAT'S IT. On defense we got lots of potential, but still nothing that screams great future. From those that have yet to make it, we have our great hope pinned on an undersized defenseman who will be a pinniata in any playoff series. It's like we are eating weeds to feel full but pretending we are doing the right thing to get stronger...which never happens. It was easy to trade Monahan for a first. Even BargainBin could do that all day long. The real challenge now is how Hughes turns this bottom scrapping, weed filled fullness into a serious team within a few years. I, we need to see that before patting him on the back and basking in...hope. Right now, I'm disheartened and skeptical.... It is getting a little tiring rooting for the Habs to lose every game in the 2nd half of each season, as well as rooting for some other team to lose because we have their pick. Fla last year was a real tease when it looked like they weren't even going to make the playoffs. How did that work out? So i guess we gotta hope Hellybuck craps the bed or gets injured  Jets are currently 6th best team. Possible they could fall to 10th which would give us 23rd overall. I've always said if you ain't drafting in the top 10 you might as well be drafting in the 2nd round. I want the good old days when Sammy made the trade for some team's first, and then loaded up the competition's roster by further trades AND JACKPOT!!! I too fell into the trap of rooting to lose. If we drop from 8th worst to 6th worst we get a 1.5% better shot at #1. I now believe that who you pick is more important than two slots. Who is picking is important too. Picking Bettmans balls is less important than picking players. |
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Post by IamCanadiens on Feb 9, 2024 13:54:47 GMT -5
It is getting a little tiring rooting for the Habs to lose every game in the 2nd half of each season, as well as rooting for some other team to lose because we have their pick. Fla last year was a real tease when it looked like they weren't even going to make the playoffs. How did that work out? So i guess we gotta hope Hellybuck craps the bed or gets injured Jets are currently 6th best team. Possible they could fall to 10th which would give us 23rd overall. I've always said if you ain't drafting in the top 10 you might as well be drafting in the 2nd round. I want the good old days when Sammy made the trade for some team's first, and then loaded up the competition's roster by further trades AND JACKPOT!!! I too fell into the trap of rooting to lose. If we drop from 8th worst to 6th worst we get a 1.5% better shot at #1. I now believe that who you pick is more important than two slots. Who is picking is important too. Picking Bettmans balls is less important than picking players. So what I'm hearing is you can pick your commissioners, you can pick your balls but you can't pick your commissioner's balls. Got it! |
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Post by Cranky on Feb 9, 2024 17:40:36 GMT -5
Zegras and Caufield likely played together on the USNTDP, so yep, they could well mesh together very well in the NHL. Interestingly Caufield and Zegras have produced at a near-identical pace in their NHL careers: Caufield at .72 PPG with 123pts in 172GP / Zegras at .73 PPG with 146 in 200 GP. Those two would be magic together and feeding off each other. Too bad we need to put a defenseman on that line... |
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 9, 2024 20:26:21 GMT -5
I don't want a player that his opponents pick as the most overrated in the league. Sounds like the prevailing opinion is he's nothing but a hot dog
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Post by seventeen on Feb 10, 2024 2:36:20 GMT -5
I don't want a player that his opponents pick as the most overrated in the league. Sounds like the prevailing opinion is he's nothing but a hot dog Not that I'm a Zegras fan, but those player polls in hockey are garbage. They used to call PK the most overrated too and it was likely because of the medieval attitude so many hockey players still have. Geeze, just listen to McDavid, who should have a brain of his own, but spouts all the cliches and you wonder about this damn culture that exists. Several of the 2018 WJC team sure seemed to have it. |
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Post by drkcloud on Feb 10, 2024 18:29:31 GMT -5
I don't want a player that his opponents pick as the most overrated in the league. Sounds like the prevailing opinion is he's nothing but a hot dog Not that I'm a Zegras fan, but those player polls in hockey are garbage. They used to call PK the most overrated too and it was likely because of the medieval attitude so many hockey players still have. Geeze, just listen to McDavid, who should have a brain of his own, but spouts all the cliches and you wonder about this damn culture that exists. Several of the 2018 WJC team sure seemed to have it. Point taken, well said |
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