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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 7, 2024 19:34:58 GMT -5
Looks like the Canes are getting Guentzel Bunting may be part of the package. Yep looks like it, plus others I assume... Bunting isn't enough |
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Post by jkr on Mar 7, 2024 21:44:39 GMT -5
Taking a long time for the details of the Guentzel deal.
Meanwhile the Pens are spanked by Washington 6-0,
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 8, 2024 0:00:55 GMT -5
Taking a long time for the details of the Guentzel deal. Meanwhile the Pens are spanked by Washington 6-0, Pittsburgh Penguins Acquire: Michael Bunting Vasili Ponomarev Cruz Lucius Ville Koivunen 2024 2nd round pick (PHI) [Conditional]* 2024 5th round pick (CAR) [Conditional]** *Conditions: Pick will upgrade to 2024 1st round 'CAR' if Carolina makes it to the 2024 Stanley Cup final **Conditions: Pittsburgh will receive this pick if Carolina wins the 2024 Stanley Cup Canes get Ty Smith and Guentzel. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 8, 2024 8:08:36 GMT -5
Leafs put Connor timmins on ltir to free up cap space
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 8, 2024 8:17:05 GMT -5
Have you ever noticed that when TSN and leafsnet show highlights of a player they are scoring goals mostly against the Habs, then the Sens, then the Jets... never the Loafs?
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2024 8:50:54 GMT -5
Have you ever noticed that when TSN and leafsnet show highlights of a player they are scoring goals mostly against the Habs, then the Sens, then the Jets... never the Loafs? OK then. It isn't just me.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 8, 2024 8:57:10 GMT -5
Have you ever noticed that when TSN and leafsnet show highlights of a player they are scoring goals mostly against the Habs, then the Sens, then the Jets... never the Loafs? OK then. It isn't just me. Its really bad on tsn trade centre |
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Post by folatre on Mar 8, 2024 9:13:13 GMT -5
Taking a long time for the details of the Guentzel deal. Meanwhile the Pens are spanked by Washington 6-0, Pittsburgh Penguins Acquire: Michael Bunting Vasili Ponomarev Cruz Lucius Ville Koivunen 2024 2nd round pick (PHI) [Conditional]* 2024 5th round pick (CAR) [Conditional]** *Conditions: Pick will upgrade to 2024 1st round 'CAR' if Carolina makes it to the 2024 Stanley Cup final **Conditions: Pittsburgh will receive this pick if Carolina wins the 2024 Stanley Cup Canes get Ty Smith and Guentzel. Quantity, sure. Quality, no. Pittsburgh fans must be perplexed. Essentially Carolina gave up three second rounders (Flyers pick, Koivunen, Ponomarev) and a couple of spare parts (Lucius and Bunting). If Vancouver or the Rangers were actually trying to make the deal, they must not have been trying very hard. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 8, 2024 9:26:21 GMT -5
Pittsburgh Penguins Acquire: Michael Bunting Vasili Ponomarev Cruz Lucius Ville Koivunen 2024 2nd round pick (PHI) [Conditional]* 2024 5th round pick (CAR) [Conditional]** *Conditions: Pick will upgrade to 2024 1st round 'CAR' if Carolina makes it to the 2024 Stanley Cup final **Conditions: Pittsburgh will receive this pick if Carolina wins the 2024 Stanley Cup Canes get Ty Smith and Guentzel. Quantity, sure. Quality, no. Pittsburgh fans must be perplexed. Essentially Carolina gave up three second rounders (Flyers pick, Koivunen, Ponomarev) and a couple of spare parts (Lucius and Bunting). If Vancouver or the Rangers were actually trying to make the deal, they must not have been trying very hard. Dubas.. nuff said |
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2024 10:33:17 GMT -5
Dubas said Pitt had to get younger. Bunting, the main piece if you can call him that,is only a year younger than Guentzel. Acquiring him continues Dubas' strange fixation on ex Soo Greyhounds.
Guentzel is probably going to be the best trade piece the Pens will have for quite a while & all he fetches are spare parts. It's like Waddell cleaned out his closet while looking for something to offer.
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Post by Skilly on Mar 8, 2024 12:12:09 GMT -5
Every year I hear how we will get good picks and stuff for our guys we want to get rid of , and every year I’m stuck in the pumpkin patch waiting.
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2024 12:22:12 GMT -5
While browsing twitter I see that Okposo is going to the Panthers and Toffoli has been traded to the Jets.
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Post by jkr on Mar 8, 2024 12:23:24 GMT -5
Every year I hear how we will get good picks and stuff for our guys we want to get rid of , and every year I’m stuck in the pumpkin patch waiting. If they are guys Montreal wants to be rid of the picks aren't likely to be very high. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 8, 2024 18:32:17 GMT -5
Every year I hear how we will get good picks and stuff for our guys we want to get rid of , and every year I’m stuck in the pumpkin patch waiting. If they are guys Montreal wants to be rid of the picks aren't likely to be very high. The Pens got peanuts for Guentzel imo |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 9, 2024 13:21:02 GMT -5
The best value trade was Roslovic 50% retained for a hot dog....err a 4th.
Rosey can put them in the net and play like a star when he feels like it, which is about 2 games in ten. Here's another one with motivation issues despite 4 million reasons a year to give a damn.
IF he shows up, he can make a difference....IF
I think we need to ban nail polish in the NHL...
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Post by folatre on Mar 9, 2024 14:10:39 GMT -5
You are right, Roslovic is talented but a lot of nights he just sort of floats around the ice. One would assume if playing at home in Columbus could not move the needle on the give a shet meter then maybe nothing will. He is 27 years old, so it is not like he is a kid.
I think Hughes is wise enough to stay away from that kind of UFA in the summer.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 13:45:41 GMT -5
There is not much to pick from in the offseason other then signing Monahan or opening the vaults for Reinhart.
No need for role players since we have a trainload of them that we need to develop.
Meh...only two players are in my "get them because they will make a difference". Otherwise I'm pinning my hopium that we use our draft capital to get some underachievers.
My DELETE button is getting tired...
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2024 15:07:55 GMT -5
What I hope is a team that is draft pick poor would give up a top 6 prospect like the Stars who only have a 1st, 5th & 7th rounder this year...Bourque might be a fit
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Post by folatre on Mar 10, 2024 17:03:23 GMT -5
You are right about Bourque, Willie. He is coming along nicely. Of course, Dallas has two young centers from the 2021 class -- Johnston and Stankhoven -- on their roster already, which likely means that Jimmy Nill is willing to listen to offers for Bourque. The question for Hughes or any interested GM is how to distill the impressive numbers Bourque has in the A this season and properly project how his skill set would translate in the NHL.
Would you give up Winnipeg's first and Colorado's second for Bourque? I would not. Winnipeg's first? Yes. Colorado's second and Harris or Minnesota's third? Yes.
Cranky, I agree that most of the UFAs in the summer of 2024 class are best to be avoided. Hughes no doubt let Monahan know that the Canadien holds him in high regard and would love to talk again in the summer. But the main issue with age 30+ forwards is what kind of term are they willing to settle for.
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 18:02:15 GMT -5
Borque is not tall but at 190, he's got the strength. Otherwise he sounds like a Suzuki clone. A little annoyed that they turned a late 1st rounder to a damn good center in Johnston. Dallas seems to have plenty of young centers so maybe we can steal one. I haven't given up on on Frost and of course Pinto, who may cost us a first to get him. If I was GM I would put it out there that any and all draft positions are available...after the lottery. I know I sound like a broken record but we need to stop thinking we have a decade long window and draft youngsters that we may or may not know they are going to be NHLers in 3-4-5 years. We need to address our goaltending and our center position while praying that the train load of young defenseman are going to distill into a full top 6D. The very last thing I want to see is us following the perpetual rebuild by Sabres or the talent rich and going nowhere fast Sens. I much rather follow what Rangers have done by going through a small rebuild while keeping very high end talent. That would be us maybe opening the vaults for Reinhart while turning our high draft choices into 20-25 year old NHL players. Knight, Kakko, Frost, Pinto, Kaliyev and a few dozen other youngsters that may be gotten. Some can cost us our first, others 2nds. Or we can keep loading the cart and sucking on barrels of hopium that we are developing a contender.  |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2024 18:29:05 GMT -5
You are right about Bourque, Willie. He is coming along nicely. Of course, Dallas has two young centers from the 2021 class -- Johnston and Stankhoven -- on their roster already, which likely means that Jimmy Nill is willing to listen to offers for Bourque. The question for Hughes or any interested GM is how to distill the impressive numbers Bourque has in the A this season and properly project how his skill set would translate in the NHL. Would you give up Winnipeg's first and Colorado's second for Bourque? I would not. Winnipeg's first? Yes. Colorado's second and Harris or Minnesota's third? Yes. Cranky, I agree that most of the UFAs in the summer of 2024 class are best to be avoided. Hughes no doubt let Monahan know that the Canadien holds him in high regard and would love to talk again in the summer. But the main issue with age 30+ forwards is what kind of term are they willing to settle for. I don't think monahan will be back, he'll look for a final contract with salary and term we don't want. I like the idea of Colorado's 2nd and either Harris or the Wilds 3rd, but the Avs 2nd will be close to the end of the round and the wild will be the middle of the third... not sure if thats enough... I think they'll want someone back, the Avs 2nd and Harris would work, Harris was minus 3 on our team last year in 65 games which is pretty amazing considering how bad we were and how young he is. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 10, 2024 18:32:14 GMT -5
Our issue is and always has been the signing quality free agents. New York never seems to have that issue. If we could ever get that part sorted out, it would speed up the process.
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2024 18:42:12 GMT -5
Our issue is and always has been the signing quality free agents. New York never seems to have that issue. If we could ever get that part sorted out, it would speed up the process. The only way to get free agents is to win or because they grew up loving the Habs (that rarely works) |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 18:51:09 GMT -5
Our issue is and always has been the signing quality free agents. New York never seems to have that issue. If we could ever get that part sorted out, it would speed up the process. The only way to get free agents is to win or because they grew up loving the Habs (that rarely works) Oh my God, I found our man! He said he loves the Habs and of course I believe him... Attachments:
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 18:57:18 GMT -5
Our issue is and always has been the signing quality free agents. New York never seems to have that issue. If we could ever get that part sorted out, it would speed up the process. Reinhart is 28 and probably cost 10x7. I'd pay that. We will get at least 3-4 80-90 point years out of him. And the cap is rising. I thought that PLDonkey would do that but we dodged a 50 cal bullet on that. Reinhart is far more consistent. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Mar 10, 2024 19:27:57 GMT -5
Our issue is and always has been the signing quality free agents. New York never seems to have that issue. If we could ever get that part sorted out, it would speed up the process. Reinhart is 28 and probably cost 10x7. I'd pay that. We will get at least 3-4 80-90 point years out of him. And the cap is rising. I thought that PLDonkey would do that but we dodged a 50 cal bullet on that. Reinhart is far more consistent. We would be tight to the cap if we did that. It is doable but I don't think we want to go that high. I think Hughes would prefer around Suzuki Cap hit. Maybe 8.5 or 9 per. |
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Post by Cranky on Mar 10, 2024 20:15:21 GMT -5
Reinhart is 28 and probably cost 10x7. I'd pay that. We will get at least 3-4 80-90 point years out of him. And the cap is rising. I thought that PLDonkey would do that but we dodged a 50 cal bullet on that. Reinhart is far more consistent. We would be tight to the cap if we did that. It is doable but I don't think we want to go that high. I think Hughes would prefer around Suzuki Cap hit. Maybe 8.5 or 9 per. It's going to be a bidding war so expect that amount. Obviously 9x7 sounds much better. He's not elite but he is in the 25-30 of top centers. I'd put Suzuki above him and possibly Dach gets up there. |
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Post by Willie Dog on Mar 10, 2024 20:30:05 GMT -5
The only way to get free agents is to win or because they grew up loving the Habs (that rarely works) Oh my God, I found our man! He said he loves the Habs and of course I believe him... That's some Donkey love |
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Post by drkcloud on Mar 10, 2024 21:58:17 GMT -5
Reinhart will get 9 to 10 million dollars from Florida and will not be an option.
No one is leaving Florida for Montreal without a very significant overpay. I've said it before, in the cap world, if the money is equal it mostly comes.down to quality of life. And Montreal, for a variety of reasons, will never be a top choice of ufas.
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 8, 2024 12:50:02 GMT -5
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