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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 8, 2024 13:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 24, 2024 10:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2024 12:47:02 GMT -5
The Canes can keep him... |
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Post by Disgruntled70sHab on Jun 24, 2024 13:00:59 GMT -5
The Canes can keep him... If he's a budding star, why aren't they trying to re-sign him ... Cheers. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 24, 2024 14:15:18 GMT -5
Bet the outhouse Necas is looking for 7 million short term and 9+ million multi year. Thats why they want to trade their "budding star".
I'm hoping that we're not in any of the popular sweepstakes. I can live without Z, Necas, MaGroarty and assorted company.
Gimme Newhooks and Farabees over sexy hockey toys...
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Post by jkr on Jun 24, 2024 15:25:40 GMT -5
The rumors about all thd buyers for Zegras were probably started by Verbeek. |
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Post by jkr on Jun 24, 2024 15:30:55 GMT -5
Carolina's position on Necas doesn't make sense. Why to they want a "star" back. They wont pay him either.
Maybe they would have enough $$ if they ditched Kotkaniemi.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 15:46:46 GMT -5
Bet the outhouse Necas is looking for 7 million short term and 9+ million multi year. Thats why they want to trade their "budding star". I'm hoping that we're not in any of the popular sweepstakes. I can live without Z, Necas, MaGroarty and assorted company. Gimme Newhooks and Farabees over sexy hockey toys... Ok I can't resist. Have you seen McGroarty play? He is the opposite of flashy. Just effective. That's the on-ice product. I have never heard anything about him being a prima donna when it comes to off ice. I'd like to know more about the issues with Winnipeg who have had their own share of odd decisions about the handling of young players (Perfetti and Heinola). |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 16:06:27 GMT -5
Carolina's position on Necas doesn't make sense. Why to they want a "star" back. They wont pay him either. Maybe they would have enough $$ if they ditched Kotkaniemi. Tom Dundon has some strict management rules. In general they make sense, but at times they are counter to producing a winning team. One of my goals if I was a GM, would be to have a very strong scouting and development team. The goal to being regularly competitive is to have talent, of course, but to be able to replace that talent as it becomes expensive and a detriment in the CAP system. Dundon, IMO, has that same idea, but he is absolutely hard line with it. He sets a value for a player and he WILL NOT go beyond that. If market prices are higher, he will not budge. That seems to be the case with Necas. Whatever Necas is asking for, is higher than Dundon feels is his value. If Dundon is right, it works out well, if not, he loses a talent that you may need to win. That's why the Canes didn't re-sign Vincent Trochek despite the obvious need for a 2C exactly like him. That's been killing Carolina in the playoffs the last couple of years, but Dundon's approach hasn't change. This time, it's Necas, despite Carolina's need for scoring talent. Guentzel is leaving for the same reason as is Pesce. The Canes likely think Nikishin can replace Pesce. Maybe. He was good in the KHL, but the KHL isn't what it was and the NHL is another level. Scott Morrow is another guy, but Pesce is a pretty good dman. |
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2024 17:39:38 GMT -5
However, Dundon must have deviated from strict management rules regarding the value of players when he made the emotional decision to offer sheet Kotkaniemi and then doubled down with an eight year contract after the kid only produced 29 regular points and 2 playoff points while on the year offer sheet contract.
Necas was probably totally pissed about having been nickled and dimed coming off an ELC where he produced at a .6 ppg clip without PP1 time or even consistent top six linemates, in particular when he saw Kotkaniemi banking millions more than him over the last three seasons.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 24, 2024 17:56:40 GMT -5
Bet the outhouse Necas is looking for 7 million short term and 9+ million multi year. Thats why they want to trade their "budding star". I'm hoping that we're not in any of the popular sweepstakes. I can live without Z, Necas, MaGroarty and assorted company. Gimme Newhooks and Farabees over sexy hockey toys... Ok I can't resist. Have you seen McGroarty play? He is the opposite of flashy. Just effective. That's the on-ice product. I have never heard anything about him being a prima donna when it comes to off ice. I'd like to know more about the issues with Winnipeg who have had their own share of odd decisions about the handling of young players (Perfetti and Heinola). Based on what I read from Bukula below, the cost might not be stupid to get McG www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/scouts-analysis-what-could-jets-get-in-rutger-mcgroarty-trade/I wonder if the Habs offer their 26th and 57th along with 2 of Struble, Barron or Harris... because I think the Jets are having issues developing their D. McG-Dach-Roy...interesting 2nd line |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 18:25:59 GMT -5
However, Dundon must have deviated from strict management rules regarding the value of players when he made the emotional decision to offer sheet Kotkaniemi and then doubled down with an eight year contract after the kid only produced 29 regular points and 2 playoff points while on the year offer sheet contract. Necas was probably totally pissed about having been nickled and dimed coming off an ELC where he produced at a .6 ppg clip without PP1 time or even consistent top six linemates, in particular when he saw Kotkaniemi banking millions more than him over the last three seasons. Well, Dundon made a lot of his money in the sub prime auto lending industry and we know that you have to be a prime a$$hole to 'succeed' in that business. I can only say that some people might describe him as a real low-life, living below the snake floor, who would definitely take things personally. I would never deal with him...just watch as each player became a UFA and moved on. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 24, 2024 18:55:33 GMT -5
In my too long career in management, one of the most important job was to create and follow salary structure.
My pretty face as GM aside, the rules about equal treatment for everyone is universal and can not be violated. It goes to the very core of human relationship in a tribe...err...group.
Soooo...if Necas felt that he was screwed working his ass off while Kk was riding on easy street, for far more money, sooner or later it becomes an issue.
It was also going to be an absolute nightmare if PLDonkey came in on 8.5 million and brought nothing but his clown show. CC. Suzuki would be mad as hell, Dach and Guhle will want 11 million and we might as well burn it down because we now have an envy and blame enviroment.
Sooo...we want Necas, but what does Necas want? Is he going to be happy with the CC Suzuki level earnings or does he see himself as a 9+x8 star? Even worse if we get Zegras and his ticking money bomb.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 24, 2024 19:05:23 GMT -5
Yeah you can’t violate a salary structure without a really, really good reason…one that the other employees will buy into. Necas isn’t good enough to earn more than Suzuki or Caufield. And he’d better bring it.
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Post by folatre on Jun 24, 2024 20:56:48 GMT -5
Necas is a play driver on the wing who can really shoot the puck. Plus, all those years in Brind'Amour's system means that he can certainly work in all three zones. However, he seems like he is trying to ride the wave of 'hey wow look at this massive untapped productivity' narrative when reality simply says after five full seasons he scores at solid rate (20-25 goals) but nothing off the charts and while I think he can probably be a regular 30-35 goal scorer, I ask myself would I give up a bunch of nice assets to sign this type of player at 8 x 8, let alone with an AAV in the 9 range. My answer without hesitation is no.
Slavkovsky is going to get Caufield money. For the relatively least important on the ice (wing), does Montreal need to have three wingers eating up like $24 million in cap space (not mention what Gallagher and Anderson are eating up)? In my opinion, Hughes should be targeting slightly younger, more cost-controlled goal scorer on the wing. In fact, I would say I would be very cool to the idea of paying serious assets in a trade plus $8+ AAV long-term for Zegras, Necas, or Ehlers.
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Post by Cranky on Jun 24, 2024 22:35:55 GMT -5
Funny thing I see the Panthers and three players, Bennet, Montour and Reinhart were the players who I traded for 1000 times in my mind BEFORE they got traded to the Panthers. These are the meat and potatoe guys who can grind out wins and cups.
I don't get impressed by Michigan's and triple axles, I get impressed by board battles and bloodied sweaters.
That is why I prefer the Farabees over the Zegras of the NHL. Sam Bennets win cups...
As for Necas, he's got the size, skill and age that fits, but he also wants his BIG payday. That is the sole reason the Canes want to trade him. If he wanted 5-6 million the Canes would of already signed him. Nothing else makes sense. But does salary demand make sense to us? Is a 25 year old winger worth another 8 million?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 24, 2024 23:05:41 GMT -5
He wants to play on the top line with top PP time. He seems to be getting 2nd PP and 2nd and 3 line minutes. More PP time means more points and more dollars in the long run.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 25, 2024 12:26:12 GMT -5
Slavkovsky is going to get Caufield money. For the relatively least important on the ice (wing), does Montreal need to have three wingers eating up like $24 million in cap space (not mention what Gallagher and Anderson are eating up)? In my opinion, Hughes should be targeting slightly younger, more cost-controlled goal scorer on the wing. In fact, I would say I would be very cool to the idea of paying serious assets in a trade plus $8+ AAV long-term for Zegras, Necas, or Ehlers. I have no problem paying Slafkovsky big money, whether he is a winger or not. There have been plenty of excellent play drivers who play wing...Panarin, Patrick Kane, Mark Stone, for starters. Slaf is going to be really hard for Dmen to handle and he has the vision and hockey IQ to be a superstar. I may be in a small minority, but I expect great things from him...superstar things and I don't throw that term around loosely. Time will tell, of course. Completely agree with your opinion of Necas,, Ehlers and Zegras. Nice assets, but not hurting my existing core in adding them. Not interested at all in Ehlers. Age is the issue there. Necas hasn't really proven anything. Zegras? All a matter of cost. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 25, 2024 16:32:54 GMT -5
Zegras: Yes but nothing more than the 26th pick plus lower draft picks or 4-6 defenceman.
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Post by folatre on Jun 25, 2024 17:57:47 GMT -5
I would do that. But Verbeek will get a decent offer. Honestly, I see Chicago having an interest in Zegras. Verbeek may want to ask the moon, but should he say no if Davidson offered him the 14th overall and some secondary piece?
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 25, 2024 19:35:40 GMT -5
Detroit pissed away a second rounder and Walman to SJ for future considerations. Detroit is saving itself 3.4 million. They are up to something.
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Post by folatre on Jun 25, 2024 20:01:22 GMT -5
Detroit has missed the playoffs eight consecutive seasons. So, sure, I think Yzerman has to be aggressive, and more money should mean more immediate roster help.
However, having to give up a second rounder to dump a guy who was playing top-four minutes for you and only has two years remaining on a relatively modest ($3.4) AAV seems kind of crazy, desperate, or whatever.
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Post by Willie Dog on Jun 25, 2024 20:14:58 GMT -5
Detroit pissed away a second rounder and Walman to SJ for future considerations. Detroit is saving itself 3.4 million. They are up to something. They have 32M in cap space but have 6 forwards, 4 D and 2 goalies signed |
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Post by folatre on Jun 25, 2024 20:41:03 GMT -5
Yeah, the cap space will dissipate rather quickly. Unless Yzerman wants to play hard ball and turn the screws on Seider and Raymond (it would be a terrible move in my opinion), Detroit is going to have to give the big d-man more than Power got ($8.3 AAV) because he has vastly outplayed the former first overall pick. And for me Raymond is not signing long-term unless he is at least getting the Caufield deal. So basically Yzerman can subtract at least $16 million or maybe up to $17 million from his cap space.
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2024 0:13:48 GMT -5
Detroit pissed away a second rounder and Walman to SJ for future considerations. Detroit is saving itself 3.4 million. They are up to something. Guentzel? I think a centre is necessary. Larkin is a good centre but is he an elite guy who can carry the team? I don't think so. Raymond has become a very good winger. Andrew Copp is an excellent 3C. If Larkin was the 2C or at least a 1B, the team would be more competitive. I don't have much faith Yzerman can drag that team into contending status. He'd have to get really lucky and nail a draft year with late picks and by then, Larkin etc are that much older. Ilitch Junior ran out of patience patience too soon. |
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Post by Polarice on Jun 26, 2024 5:28:30 GMT -5
Slavkovsky is going to get Caufield money. For the relatively least important on the ice (wing), does Montreal need to have three wingers eating up like $24 million in cap space (not mention what Gallagher and Anderson are eating up)? In my opinion, Hughes should be targeting slightly younger, more cost-controlled goal scorer on the wing. In fact, I would say I would be very cool to the idea of paying serious assets in a trade plus $8+ AAV long-term for Zegras, Necas, or Ehlers. I have no problem paying Slafkovsky big money, whether he is a winger or not. There have been plenty of excellent play drivers who play wing...Panarin, Patrick Kane, Mark Stone, for starters. Slaf is going to be really hard for Dmen to handle and he has the vision and hockey IQ to be a superstar. I may be in a small minority, but I expect great things from him...superstar things and I don't throw that term around loosely. Time will tell, of course. Completely agree with your opinion of Necas,, Ehlers and Zegras. Nice assets, but not hurting my existing core in adding them. Not interested at all in Ehlers. Age is the issue there. Necas hasn't really proven anything. Zegras? All a matter of cost. The cap is supposed to skyrocket next year, go up at least 10 million. Now would be the time to sign these young guys to an extension of some sort. In a few years it will pay dividends to have our core signed at what will look like discounts. |
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -5
The cap is supposed to skyrocket next year, go up at least 10 million. Now would be the time to sign these young guys to an extension of some sort. In a few years it will pay dividends to have our core signed at what will look like discounts. I suspect HUGo are thinking that way. You just have to have confidence in your kids that they will be worth their contracts. I would think Guhle and Slaf fall into that category of core players. Xhekaj too, but he won't cost as much. |
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Post by Cranky on Jun 26, 2024 13:20:10 GMT -5
Slaf...7.5x8
Guhle...6.5x8
X...5.5x8
Move along....
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Post by seventeen on Jun 26, 2024 13:39:53 GMT -5
Slaf...7.5x8 Guhle...6.5x8 X...5.5x8 Move along.... I think you could sign Xhekaj for $3MM x 5 or something like that. He's still a 3rd pair guy at this point, but I'd be willing to go longer at the 3 number. |
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Post by Tankdriver on Jun 26, 2024 14:39:34 GMT -5
Slaf...7.5x8 Guhle...6.5x8 X...5.5x8 Move along.... Yes Yes No - Too much. 3.75 for 8 |
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